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Quote from: MV on May 12, 2015, 08:46:17 PM
i think you're dropping into an art bell fan forum and deliberately getting people worked up, just as you knew you would.  so please shut the hole in your face when it comes to your pontifications over who should be banned.

Be a man and not a pussy. Moderate your forum.

Quote from: MV on May 12, 2015, 08:44:27 PM
blow me.

Fuck you too.

Quote from: Cwn Annwn on May 12, 2015, 08:37:38 PM
There is little more to being labeled a fraud than simply falling on the other side of a political battle. "Discounting contrary evidence" is no more objective than simply saying "you didn't take account of this stuff that I like! boo on you!" Academia is no more than cultural politics, and fields like archaeology, astronomy, physics, and the rest are no more than academic fields. Simply define your method with respect to some desired value outcomes, and if you can convince others that this method has a legitimate claim on objectivity (hell, you might even be dumb enough to believe it yourself!), then you have already determined the outcomes that will be accepted within that culture.

Shows like Art's allow us to see culture from another perspective--one that is often at odds with the prevailing narrative. Such "frauds" open up a liminal space that is necessary for any interesting advancement in any field whatsoever. Nobody who toed the line ever said anything interesting or innovative, and they never challenged us to see things in ways we hadn't already imagined.

"Academia is no more than cultural politics, and fields like archaeology, astronomy, physics, and the rest are no more than academic fields."

You sound drunk by the end of the sentence. I will address the first run-on sentence. Archaeology, astronomy, physics, biology, chemistry, biology are real sciences. We don't need any more of the "pseudo-scientists" that Art Bell has provided over the last 25 years. They offer promise but never deliver. Jesus H., I've heard 2000+ Art Bell shows with his "experts" telling him what will happen, but it's all bullshit because it NEVER happened.

Enough! Time for a new show if he can provide it with new guests.

Quote from: coaster on May 12, 2015, 08:27:27 PM
Today I learned that responding to forum posts makes you a man.

And if I didn't respond, you would be in this forum calling me a pussy.

Coaster, I think you are a phony. I would like to say more, but I will not do a personal attack.

If anything, I haven't hijacked this thread, but given you guys/girls something to think about. Allow dissenting opinions and don't worship Art Bell on an internet board. He's a human being like you. It's OK to critique.

Quote from: nika01 on May 12, 2015, 08:22:34 PM
This has gone way beyond hijacking

I haven't hijacked anything. I gave my opinion and most of you attacked my opinion. I responded like a man. I didn't run and hide. Agree or disagree with me, I made salient points about Bell and his guest selection. If that's hijacking, go to Saudi Arabia where they are experts.

Quote from: IcicleTrepan on May 12, 2015, 08:16:11 PM

A meme? You must be 12. You are not to be taken seriously with a meme.

I'll let you in on a little secret. No reader of a forum takes anyone seriously that posts a meme or hash-tag.

People that posts memes lack intelligence for public discourse.

Quote from: serenity on May 12, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
Ok Son look, go back 10-15 pages or more. Read. We are all adding ideas from slogans to music to, yes guests. Instead of tearing them down wait till july and see how it plays out. Maybe it will be fresh, maybe not. But in the end it's Arts choice. And it's ours on whether we listen and support, or not.
Fair enough?

OK.

Quote from: serenity on May 12, 2015, 08:02:29 PM
Just when i think Im done. SO WHAT IF IT IS? Still better than most other shows out there. Damn, leave it alone. Go change your diaper, watch tv and write tomorrows editorial for MSNBC

You still don't understand. I'm in my forties and have listened to Bell the whole time he's been syndicated and then some. I've heard all of his guests ad nauseam. Bell is doing a new show in 2015. Give us something we haven't heard since I've been listening to him as a kid in the late 80's. No? Demand more. Don't be a sheep. You have his ear in this forum.

Quote from: nika01 on May 12, 2015, 07:58:58 PM
sometimes I think that real names would improve the situation. then I muse about an entrance exam, perhaps an intelligence test. my personal favorite is forcing everyone that logs in wear a shock collar keyed to votes on posts.

Yeah, real login names like nika01. Got it.

Quote from: serenity on May 12, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
You really should read up on what a Democracy is. Nuff said. As for the rest of my statement, I stick by it 100%
Oh, and yes I am a proud zealot thank you very much.

We agree on something. You are a zealot.

Quote from: ge30542 on May 12, 2015, 07:55:59 PM
Hanky et al, simple solution to your "issue".
Do not listen, do not read. Problem solved.

If you read any of my previous comments, I said I will give Bell's new show a listen. But I'm doubtful he will veer away from the same fraud guests he's had on in the last 25 years. I await for his new show, but is sounds like the same bullshit.

Quote from: serenity on May 12, 2015, 07:39:59 PM
I feel bad for you. You just don't get it. Dont worry, it gets better. The bad thing about the 1st amendment is it doesn't protect you from those who disagree with what you have a right to say. And vice versa. Btw this isnt a democracy

" Btw this isnt a democracy" Oh yes it it, my dear. It is a pubic forum. I can give my opinion any way I chose to do so as long as I don't attack posters and make inflammatory remarks based on discrimination. That's the thing. You and every commenter on this site set up by MV doesn't have a monopoly on freedom of speech. MV knows this. He runs a legit site and allows dissenting view points because he's not a zealot like the members of this site.

You, as a board, will not allow dissenting opinions. Democracy in 2015 is dead. It's a pity because there are people on this board that aren't Bell jock sniffers that agree with me but don't post because of the zealot response. Circle jerk each other. It's what you do best here.

Quote from: IcicleTrepan on May 12, 2015, 07:25:02 PM
He's a member of this forum and so are you.  If he's open to attack so are you.  If you don't like it, go QQ elsewhere, nobody cares.

I have a right to voice my opinion as well as you and Bell in this forum. I don't personally attack commenters on this board, however. Art Bell is a public figure. He can be critiqued accordingly. He would even agree with this.

Quote from: IcicleTrepan on May 12, 2015, 07:21:15 PM
I guess personal attacks on Art Bell don't count, right?

No. Art Bell is a public figure and can be criticized accordingly.

You people are nuts. You are such jock sniffers of Bell that you can't debate reasonably. No wonder he posts here. No constructive criticism from anyone.  Forums in 2015 have been reduced to this.

I think MV should ban "SaucyRossy" for personal attacks. It has no place in any forum. We are here to offer our opinions and have fun. This is outrageous.

Quote from: SaucyRossy on May 12, 2015, 07:02:41 PM
This is the last time I'm going to address you.

Graham is the first guest for two reasons.

1. He was the last scheduled guest before Art went of the air on Sirius.
2. I asked art in the ufo ship chat if he would have graham on his new show because he didn't get to have him on the Sirius one. Art being the chill dude he is, was like "No prob bro, sure thing"
Next thing I see is he posts on here about graham being the first guest. That's literally how simple of a thing it was. There's no other motive by art by having graham on than a fan directly asked if he would have him on the show and Art politely obliged.

So go find some other fucking thing to be angry about on the Internet. You've gone and pissed me off and I won't let this become a big thing because you're trolling but if your goal was to piss some one off. There. You did it. You pissed me off. Woohoo. Now go eat some pizza rolls biatch.

You want to resort to personal attacks? Fuck you! I pissed you off? This an internet forum. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. You are a zealot. Re-read what you wrote. You sound like a punk.

Good night all fellow commenters. I will not comment again until July after we hear Bell's new show and his guests. Then we will know if he plans on doing a new show as opposed to recycling garbage guests and topics like he did over the last 25 years. Like I said, I respect Art the talent but not Art the man, who handles his personal business in the public. There is a difference. Until then, you may return to your fellatio of Lord Bell.

- Mr. Hanky

Quote from: ManiacMatt on May 12, 2015, 06:30:12 PM
If Hawass was so damn smart, he would have debated Hancock and put him in his place.  That was his chance to prove Hancock wrong.  Instead, Hawass acts like an impetuous child and storms out.

Dr. Hawass is probably prideful with his prestige and position. He probably would not want to sully his reputation by engaging with a fraudulent turd like Nocock.

I don't blame him.   

I just laughed. I noticed that on the home page it states "154 Guests, 70 Users (12 Hidden)". Who are the 12 hidden users? Are they part of the Majestic-12?

Quote from: Mind Flayer Monk on May 12, 2015, 06:17:14 PM
Even us old time listeners would argue over how much bullshit the guests were peddling the night before. It's a pretty normal state and I'm surprised it somehow turns into a flame war on the internet every time someone brings it up.

Agreed. I was accused of flaming because of criticizing "Lord Bell's" 1st guest selection of Nocock. Criticizing Nocock wasn't the issue.

Quote from: FortRock on May 12, 2015, 06:08:17 PM
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Fort Rock, I agree 100% with this guest request to Bell. Abby, unlike Nocock, deals with real science. She would probably make an excellent guest on his new show.

Quote from: serenity on May 12, 2015, 06:04:04 PM
Good for you. You just made my case. As for listening, I started listening when it was still West coast AM. Been a fan since. So son, you are allowed your opinion, such as it is.
I rest my case................. but reserve the right to reopen at my discretion

Fair enough.

Quote from: chefist on May 12, 2015, 06:03:30 PM
Art has already stated he is mixing old and new...which is what most fans would want in my opinion...he might be keeping them close to the vest has Dave poached and threatened to black list many during the DM launch...

We will see. I will listen to the show and give it a chance because it's Bell. He's good. But, if it's the same recycled nonsense, I will be out. No more Dames, Hoagland, Nocock, etc. These guys are proven frauds.

If Bell want's to do a relevant show in 2015, bring on more guests that deal with the biggest crisis we as a nation face today...our caustic political climate!

Quote from: serenity on May 12, 2015, 05:51:18 PM
Now while I realize that your aim is to stir up things for the sake of .......dwarfism or whatever. Some comments should just be kept to your self. Why risk offending someone’s sensibilities just  for the sake of it? Some of us listen because it's fun. Some of us believe or want to believe. Some to just be entertained. Some just want to listen and call BS on everything said. My wife won't watch a movie with me if there is any flying in it because I am so critical of mistakes, in the jargon, instruments etc. It all boils down to 2 things;
1. If you like it .......listen
2. If you don't then just throw yourself off a cliff, after changing the station first that is.
But remember this. We are all glad your here, but if all you will do is tear down every past, present or future guest Art had or will have or those of us that give guest suggestions, then maybe this isn't the place for you.
Some of us are not as stupid as we look. I do think that we can tell a fraud when we hear one. To some of us, it doesn't really matter. I do however hear that The Amazing Randy is looking for a noob assistant. However, if you feel you can't help your self, I have said my piece. I am ready for the flaming. Iv'e been flamed by the best, one more rookie won't matter

May we never go to Hell but may we always be on the way.

I've been a member on this site for a few years now. I haven't posted in a while. I still read the thread though. What got me to post today was reading that Bell's first guest will be Nocock. It tells me that his new show will be once again a recycling of the same frauds that he's had on in the last 25 years. I've listened to Art Bell since the beginning, probably longer than most of you and used to respect the man. I don't like how the guy has made his personal grievances public and call it how I see it. I worship no man. He is a media personality and public figure and will be called out on the carpet accordingly.

Quote from: nika01 on May 12, 2015, 05:45:42 PM
Being an expert in an inbred field like Egyptology isnt exactly what I would call something to be proud of. Innovators are always hammered by the know it alls of the reigning academic paradigm. Hawass is too proud to admit the rather obvious connection between the Giza pyramids and Orions belt. That is enough for me to disqualify him as a scientist. He is a politician.

Hawass deals in facts, not nonsensical claims. There is no obvious connections to the pyramids and space. Hawaas defines the meaning of science. Nocock lives on Fantasy Island with Tattoo.

Quote from: coaster on May 12, 2015, 05:43:43 PM
You'd put an archaeologist's resume up against an author's when it came to archaeology? No kidding...who'd a thunk it?
No one is saying Hancock knows more about the field of archaeology. Pay attention, mental midget.

That's Mr. Midget to you.

Getting back to Bell, he had his day in the sun. If his 1st guest is Graham Nocock, it presumably will be the same show he did 20 years ago. Nothing new and the same recycled guests. Art, if you are reading this, it's time for new guests and new topics. You have the pipes and are a good interviewer. Try and provide your audience with some new guests and not the same recycled frauds.