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Quote from: Jackstar on November 12, 2019, 01:28:32 AM

Ask yourself, why?

Oh, believe me, I do.  Every time I read a post like this.

The answer is blowing in the wind.

Quote from: WOTR on November 11, 2019, 11:58:48 PM
How do people perceive you when they first meet you?

It varies according to the person.  Americans are assumed to be "rich" and behave like assholes.  Finding that I don't behave like an asshole, they assume that I am British or Canadian. Some women are out to snag a man to give them and their family a better life.  Some women studiously keep their distance so that they will not be judged as a man-snagger ("puta") by their peers.  The "man in the street" so to speak are curious and friendly and want some interaction, if just a hello.  Some people stare.  White privilege happens.  There's also "the American price" which means vendors will tack on more money to the price because they assume that you will pay it.  When I meet someone, we run through the same questions about my family, my skill in speaking Tagalog, how long I have lived there, why I chose to live in the Phils, and so forth.  You get the idea.  There is no one-size-fits-all response.

Quote from: WOTR on November 11, 2019, 11:58:48 PM
I do believe that the war on drugs with extrajudicial killings might be a big part of the reason that he is generally seen in a certain light.

It's a complicated issue and would take awhile to explain.  I might take a stab at it when I am off work hours, if you are interested.

Quote from: WOTR on November 11, 2019, 11:58:48 PM
I have not talked to her at length about it. I do know that a part of it was economic (limited opportunities there for her daughter.) But I also think that there was a dissatisfaction with the corruption and dangers. I'm sure she would not describe it as a "cesspit" (certainly she describes a beautiful landscape), but I also don't think that she would ever return.

Everyone has fond memories of home, whatever that may be.  I'll state the obvious: the Philippines is a poor, third-world country and the USA is the greatest country in the world.  That's really all you need to know to answer your question.

Quote from: WOTR on November 11, 2019, 11:58:48 PM
I may have to remember to ask her a little more about the life she left and why. More a personal curiosity now that you bring up the conditions there...

I lean towards advising you against it.  Those sort of feelings are difficult to describe in English.  Maybe at all.  I predict that she has a certain homesickness for the Philippines, but is doing what is best for her family.  Like many immigrants, she is making a sacrifice by losing her identity: she's Filipino to Americans, and she's American to Filipinos.  Her kids are Americans and her parents are Filipinos.  Some people adjust to that role and others, not so well.  She may not want to talk about it to someone she only knows casually, particularly an American who may not be able to relate.  Also, read some of the comments in this thread.  Would you want to talk about personal feelings to people who are so uncharitable?  You know the situation better than I, but tread carefully.

Quote from: brig on November 11, 2019, 11:11:25 PM
You've touched my heart.

I really wish I could help.

Are they BellGabbers?

Is that Senda's burner account?  He's playing the misplaced money order con again.  A month early this year.

Quote from: WOTR on November 11, 2019, 03:05:07 AM
I don't know if revolution is necessary- but it is not a tool that should be ever be placed on a shelf out of reach...The only thing about a good revolution is that it is bloody, and that the outcome cannot always be predicted (nor is the most desirable outcome always guaranteed.)

I would prefer to fix it through representative legislation.  Pubs and Dems used to negotiate and horse-trade and get things done.  That's not the prevailing mood right now and its trump and Moscow Mitch who are leading that charge.  I don't have the answers or I would run myself.  But you don't need to know how to fix a car to know that when it makes a loud noise and smoke is coming from under the hood that something is seriously dysfunctional.  In an analogous sense, one can look at the government under trump and come to the same conclusion: something is broken here, this is not the answer. 

Quote from: WOTR on November 11, 2019, 03:39:04 AM
If that is the real reason you left, then I'm impressed. A huge number of people always say that they are going to leave if the other side wins- almost nobody does it.

So, a few questions directed towards somebody who actually followed through.

1. Was it worth it?
2. Will you return when Trump is gone (not reelected, or the end of his second term.)
3. Why the Philippines? It would seem the Dutarte is the equivalent of Trump without any restraints on his power...

Answers:

1.  No.  Socially, it changed nothing.  Personally, I could have done the same thing under any president and the results would be the same.  I ended up not being there for my neighbor when they needed me.  I'm not sorry that I left, but I would not advise leaving the USA solely because trump is president.

2.  Yes.  Or at least that is my current plan.  Maybe before he's out.  He plans to be president for life, so who knows, he might still be there if I return in, say, 10 years.

3.  Because English is spoken, or at least understood, by everyone who has more than a grade school education.  That makes it much easier to function here.  Also, my employment situation was very attractive.  There are things that you can do here in your daily life, and in leisure time, that you can't do in the USA.  For example, there are activities that are financially prohibitive in the USA because of the cost of liability insurance (or non-availability of same) that are available here.  The impression that those of you that have commented about Duterte is quite wrong.

Duterte used to be compared to trump in 2016 because both were inclined to speak brashly.  Since that time, though, nobody here makes the comparison anymore.  Duterte has an approval rating between 80-90% thus far in his term (I think it peaked at 91%).  He was lawfully elected, and the comments labeling him a dictator are wrong.  He is not a dictator (nor is trump, for that matter), not even close.  He very recently turned over control of his drug war to the vice president, who is from another party and his political rival.  The prevailing sentiment, which I share, is satisfaction with most of the changes that he has made mixed with anxiety that his term, or that of his successor (he supports the son of Marcos), could lead to another dictatorship.

Correcting other comments made in this thread.

The Philippines is not "a lawless third-world human trafficking cesspit."  It is not lawless by any stretch of the imagination.  It is a poor, third-world country that struggles with corruption.  But the deficiencies  are not absolute.  The USA has a revolving-door criminal justice system which spits repeated offenders of low-level crimes back onto the street.  Is that lawless?  Maybe, by some definitions.  There is human trafficking here, as there is in the USA.  Is there more of it?  Sure, because there are more children at risk.  It's not open, or tolerated, or whatever image that "cesspit" is meant to convey.  The area around the USA bases at Clark and Subic could be described that way, but it was the fault of the military.  The Filipino people post-Marcos demanded that they leave because of the vice.  There are red light districts in Manila, and Angeles to the north, but none of that in Visayas in the central part of the country and certainly not in Mindanao in the south.

A foreigner could say that people in the USA openly shit in public spaces and shoot drugs.  Someone from the USA would counter, no that's just in San Francisco and not even all of San Francisco.  That's not the representative of the USA by any stretch of the imagination.  Well, some of you in this thread are doing exactly that with the Philippines.

Thailand is the go-to destination for sex tourism, not the Philippines.  For pedos, it's Cambodia.  The Philippines is a staunchly Catholic country and family-centric.  Foreigners who engage in human-trafficking or pedo activities are hunted down and dealt with harshly.  One of my Tagalog instructors turned out to be a former Catholic priest in the USA.  He was convicted in the USA of abusing alter boys and fled to the Philippines.  It took almost 20 years, but they finally tracked him down. 

There is no institutionalized "caning" or other physical torture here.  That's an ignorant comment.  It's a different country, not the Philippines. 

The president here, unlike in the USA, does not commit crimes or attempt to enrich himself through his office.  He's also not facing certain indictment, like trump is.

I've lived in both countries for extended periods.  I understand that Duterte didn't call Obama a son of a bitch, but I also understand his frustration and what prompted the comment.  I called Trudeau a son of a bitch and a cocksucker and meant it for his criticisms of Duterte's war on drugs.

People have different ideas and opinions about the Philippines, but you'll find two things that are very common and are linked: one, most of them don't know fuck all about the Philippines (like the posters in this thread), and two, they don't CARE that they are ignorant.  The second part is what amazes me.  Why be proud that you are an ignoramus?  Why don't you at least shut up? 

Quote from: Liberace! on November 11, 2019, 01:45:15 AM
That's mine.  I wrote that.

Yeah.  I liked it so I stole it. 

Quote from: Liberace! on November 11, 2019, 01:38:02 AM
You tend to make your penis a subject of discussion around here regardless of who is actually "interested" in it.

I genuinely do not understand why you say that.  Correcting for posts about Dr. Dickhead or offering to pay Falkie for a titty fuck, I think the number must be low single digits.  Out of, what is it, thousands of posts over six years.

Maybe my penis creates a bigger impression than I realize.  Heh, bigger.

Quote from: Liberace! on November 11, 2019, 01:28:29 AM
Was it something you said?

What else could it be?

Quote from: Liberace! on November 11, 2019, 01:28:29 AM
The irony here is probably totally lost on you, but that's what I've watched you do on this forum for the last three or four years.  You're so bound up with hatred and bigotry that you make wide, sweeping presumptions and declarations about anyone and everyone who didn't vote the way you would have preferred.  They're racists, they hate "brown people," they can't read, they're toothless, they're poor, they dance with snakes, etc., all based on a single data point: their political conclusion in 2016.  You see, you are the the hateful bigot that you routinely prattle on about in an effort to signal your virtue.

You may have a point.  There's plenty of hate and bigotry flying around here, though.  Not just me.

Quote from: Liberace! on November 11, 2019, 01:28:29 AM
Having said all of this tonight, I think you're great.

I think you're great too.  C'mere, Lee, and lemme pinch your ass.

Quote from: Liberace! on November 11, 2019, 12:46:27 AM
Such a deep thinker.  Do you regale your "girlfriends" (yes, plural, ladies and gents!) with these erudite streams of refined intellect?

No.  We talk about normal things.  I don't even mention Bellgab, much less the content.  That's because I'm able to separate my online life from my offline life.  Can you?  You do seem to have difficulty sometimes with that.

Quote from: Liberace! on November 11, 2019, 12:46:27 AM
Tell us again about how you have a large benis.

Why are you interested in my penis?  I wouldn't let my kids within a thousand yards of you, you demented pervert.

Now go whine online that I baselessly called you a pervert.

Quote from: Liberace! on November 11, 2019, 12:43:14 AM
Based on your inclusion of graphic sexual references in nearly every post over the span of years, many of which could easily be described as sexually violent,

If you are talking about my banter with Dr Dickless, then you have a point, I guess.  I don't know why you would take that seriously.  You certainly don't seem to be bothered when he does it, and escalates it.  Bellgabber of the Year!  How 'bout you just admit that you have always disliked me and it's coloring your viewpoint on this discussion we are having?

If you aren't factoring that in, then I call bullshit.  My posting history is there, for everyone to see.  It goes back six years. 

Quote from: Liberace! on November 11, 2019, 12:43:14 AM
I'll do that when you cite the posts that permit you to call me a racist or homophobe, as you've brainlessly and reflexively done on more than one occasion.

Yep, and I immediately followed it up by pointing out that what I was doing was identical to Trump's methods, and that I was doing it to prove that point.  As I recall, you didn't want to discuss it, so I dropped it, and haven't done so since.  That doesn't stop you from misrepresenting it now, though, does it?  For the record, I don't think that you are either a racist or a homophobe.  And I'm at a loss to understand why -- of ALL the things that I have said over the years -- that THAT is what made such a deep impression.  I apologize for hurting your feelings.  Fuck!

Quote from: Liberace! on November 11, 2019, 12:43:14 AM
It's true that I don't know if you're a pedo

...but you smear me with it anyway, and you didn't even have a larger point.  Go ahead, blare on and on about the graphic content of my posts.  You exaggerate, but you aren't wrong.  But there is not so much as a suggestion of pedophile behaviour or the excuse of same.  I fucking VOLUNTEER for an organization that rescues at-risk children here.  I posted about that!  That doesn't even slow you down in your mania to smear me, though.  The trumpanzees all share certain character traits, and this is one of them.  Shame on you! 

Quote from: username on November 11, 2019, 12:00:41 AM
I heard a lot of celebrities, musicians & actors say they would move and none of them actually did. I only know of a very small percentage of people who made the move.

I can only say congratulations and hope life is good outside of America. Those I know who have left the country, they seem quite happy. I personally love the states and can't imagine being elsewhere.

Game on.

The neighborhood that I lived in is very ethnically diverse.  There is a Hindu temple within 100 meters of my house.  The neighbors on my block are black, Chinese, Filipino, Vietnamese, Indian, and white.

My next-door neighbors are an Indian couple who immigrated on H1-B visas.  They are technology professionals.  Two of the nicest people you could ever meet and great neighbors.

When I came back in June, 2017 for a visit, I noticed that they had removed a sculpture plate with their names from over their door, and asked why.  They told me that they were standing outside of their home one day, when an older white man passed by walking his dog.  He paused, and pointed at them and said, "Trump is gonna take care of YOUR kind."

And what kind would that be, exactly?  Why, the non-white kind "who-sa takin' are jobs!"  Yeah, Dave, you and your high school education.  Dr. Mohammad the neurologist is going to take your job.

The sad thing about all of this is that only one person is even talking about where those jobs are actually going: Andrew Yang.  He properly identifies automation as taking the jobs, not immigrants.  And he pointed out that the swing states that surprisingly went to Trump were the ones that experienced the highest level of job loss due to automation.  Trump did his demagogue thing, held his rallies and blamed immigrants.  And it worked, a lot of people fell for it.

Fed-Ex and UPS have both conducted tests in which they had semi-trucks filled with packages perform 400 mile trips.  Fully automated without any human intervention.  What happens when trucking shifts to driverless, and all of those truckers are thrown out of work?  Have you called a large company lately, and navigated through their fully-automated voice messaging systems?  You speak your concerns now; no pressing 1 for this service or 2 for that. 

We could all be working together to come up with a bi-partisan solution before the job loss tsunami breaks.  But instead, Agent Orange is going to whip up more white-power frenzy.  Everyone will shake their fists at clouds and feel like they've got the answer: it's those smelly brown people who are to blame.  Fuck trump with a cactus and fuck all of you who follow his con even though you know better.  God help the United States of America.

Quote from: Asuka Langley on November 10, 2019, 11:12:57 PM
kek!

That's not me.  Another lie.  Another trumpanzee.

Quote from: pate on November 10, 2019, 11:12:21 PM
Tell that story about the time you had both arms up to the elbow in two different "lady-boy" bung'oles!

There is no such story.  It comes from your imagination.

Let me guess, you're a trumpanzee, aren't you?

Quote from: Liberace! on November 10, 2019, 10:36:30 PM
Says the sex tourist degenerate who moves to the Philippines for easy access to unlimited amounts of legally questionable gratification.

One of the things that I have noticed about trump supporters is how they adopt his practice of making accusations without any underlying evidence.  Your characterization of me as a "sex tourist" is wrong, but it's your opinion.  I didn't move to the Philippines because of sex.  You made that up and it's a lie.  I left the country on January 19, 2017 because I didn't want to live in the USA under a trump presidency.  I am one of the few who followed through with a vow to move away if trump was elected.

Now, let's get to the part about "legally questionable gratification."  Can you cite the posts upon which you base this accusation, or should we just write it off as another baseless libel in the trump style?

Quote from: Liberace! on November 10, 2019, 10:36:30 PM
someome who should be allowed around children.

I see.  So, without any evidence to support it, you now join Dr. Dickless in libeling me a pedo.  All you trumpanzees are a bunch of fucking cowards.  Fuck off, asshole.

Quote from: Asuka Langley on November 10, 2019, 09:22:30 PM
Trump just keeps using the same hook over and over and over again it's not even entertaining at this point i legit feel bad for libtards

Ayep, the MAHA red-hatters don't care about anonymity, even when it is protected by the law.  Which means they don't care about the law.  Lock them up!

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 08:56:05 PM
It’s your Clinton cocksucking I’m more concerned with. It’s truly baffling how you continue to defend people like this.

It's mostly a waste of time to expect any acknowledgement that you are lying, but it's kinda fun to watch you wriggling around trying to avoid doing it while trying to keep trump's cock in your mouth.

Go ahead, post a link to one single post where I "defended" Clinton.

Book Claims Senior Officials Believed Pence Would Support Use Of 25th Amendment

The much-anticipated book “A Warning,” reportedly written by an unnamed senior White House official, claims that high-level White House aides were certain that Vice President Mike Pence would support the use of the 25th Amendment to have President Donald Trump removed from office because of mental incapacity.

According to the exposé, which is written by someone that The New York Times and the publisher of the book say is a current or former senior White House official, using the pen name “Anonymous,” highly placed White House officials did a back-of-the-envelope tally of which Cabinet members would be prepared to sign a letter invoking Section 4 of the 25th Amendment to the Constitution

https://news.yahoo.com/anonymous-book-warning-mike-pence.html

The president’s chief of staff is trying to join a lawsuit against the president.

Mick Mulvaney works only about 50 steps from the Oval Office as he runs the White House staff, but rather than simply obey President Donald Trump’s order to not cooperate with House impeachment investigators, he sent his lawyers to court late Friday night asking a judge whether he should or not.

To obtain such a ruling, the lawyers asked to join a lawsuit already filed by a former White House official â€" a lawsuit that names “the Honorable Donald J. Trump” as a defendant along with congressional leaders.

https://news.yahoo.com/seeking-join-suit-over-subpoena-170356907.html

Quote from: WOTR on November 10, 2019, 05:01:56 PM
A few thoughts on this... I suppose the biggest question is "if not capitalism, then what?" Given that the title of the article includes Marx, I am going to guess something closer to communism?

I don't agree with the article, but I would argue that we need to review the system from time to time and make adjustments.  Even the Constitution has a mechanism to amend it.

The peril to capitalism, in my view, comes from a state of affairs where there is too much class separation.  The statistics have been bandied about and are freely available, but the gist of it is that there is a historically-large percentage of wealth concentrated in a few individuals who are largely beyond the reach of civil and even criminal law.  That, along with a struggling and resentful lower class, is a recipe for an overthrow of the current system. 

Again in my view, Warren and Sanders overreact to this situation. 

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 08:41:01 PM
I know you defend those establishment turds too, which is why I included you in that statement.

Yah, you like to hold up a cross and start shrieking whenever you spot someone who isn't affected by trump Dicksucking Syndrome (tDS).

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 08:41:48 PM
Best you can do, I guess.

Proportional to your overall worth as a human being.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 07:57:32 PM
The other day I asked you if the Clintons had committed fraud through their “foundation” in regards to the people of Hati and you dismissively said, “Probably not.”

Obvious establishment cum guzzling is obvious.

I haven't seen you this excited since the blindfolded field trip to the hot dog factory.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 07:58:10 PM
No I’m not. You are.

Effeminate faggot is a stupid turd.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 07:24:22 PM
So original!

Quoth the turdpusher that has posted the same video seven times now.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 07:24:22 PM
However,

However, you are a gigantic faggot

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 06:00:04 PM

The twit alarm is going berserk

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 05:55:14 PM
Are you really trying to shame Lee for getting his mother in-law a wheelchair at the airport?!

Sorry, but your voice is muffled when your nose is buried in his ass crack like that and I can't understand you.

Actually I don't understand you most of the time anyway.  Maybe it was those paint chips you ate as a child.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 05:22:49 PM
Yes, we know you’re a violent socialist. Which is why that should be your fate.

More Make America Hate Again hypocrisy, but at this point is that any surprise?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 09, 2019, 06:00:53 AM
Let the civil war begin, I say! It’ll be just great to see all the sick freaks like you get strung up and have it be livestreamed on Facebook and CNN.

Those of you who fake the need for a wheelchair...well, if you had any sense of shame or morality, you wouldn't be doing it in the first place.  But it seems that your little deception doesn't fool the stews, who have vocabulary to describe it:

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 10, 2019, 11:34:06 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajsbq0xK-sE

How many times have you posted this video now, retard?  About six?

This is what you are doing

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 09, 2019, 06:55:46 PM
Gay.

This is what I want you to do: