Billy Meier - Michael Horn

[MichaelHorn]

Strictly acoustic and I only use smoke machines for quick escapes.

[MichaelHorn]

What would the consequences be? Having to listen to one of your YouTube vids?

No, having to demonstrate that you understood it.

[chefist]

No, having to demonstrate that you understood it.

Impossible to understand the convoluted lunacy of a mad man!

[MichaelHorn]

I wasn't talking about...my difficulties in understanding you but rather yours in understanding me.

It is possible for me to kinda understand what goes on here if I try to remember what beoing an adolescent was like. Many "good" examples here.

Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for MV's invitation to do an interview, host the debate, etc. Well, waitin may not be the right word, actually.

[Another Anonymous Gal]

Michael, your argument style is that of a 5 year old, and that's an insult to most 5 year olds.  It's juvenile.  You try to use big words in your not-veiled insults just to make them seem more meaningful and like you're smarter than everyone else.  You harass people who disagree with you to the point of saying that they DO agree with you if they happen to not respond to an e-mail challenge from you.  It's beyond disgusting.

The fact that you bill yourself (bill, literally) as a media representative for someone and something speaks volumes about that someone and something in and of itself, when compared with how you conduct yourself not only on other forums like this, but on your own blog.

You utterly fail to refute cogent arguments and criticisms of Meier's and your work and instead respond with insults rather than actually addressing the claims.

Problem for you is that you finally are on a forum where the people are willing to be just as juvenile and insulting as yourself.  This is despite your very clear statement several weeks ago that you would never post here again.  Yet here you are.  Maybe you like the abuse?  Hmm?  Is that it?  You like getting it as hard as you give it?

[littlechris]

I wasn't talking about...my difficulties in understanding you but rather yours in understanding me.

It is possible for me to kinda understand what goes on here if I try to remember what beoing an adolescent was like. Many "good" examples here.

Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for MV's invitation to do an interview, host the debate, etc. Well, waitin may not be the right word, actually.

Mr.Horn, would you be willing to debate John Razimus (Hoax Hunter  on Youtube) with MV being the moderator??

-Chris

[chefist]

I never got the personal insult thing from MH. How will you ever win over converts doing that? I think it's the symptom of a delusional mind.

[MichaelHorn]

Okay, for all my adoring fans here, starting with AAG, see latest article refuting the sophomoric claims of a very inept "researcher". Then let me know if ther's really any doubt aboout the authenticity of the Meier case.

Re Razimouse, I offered to debate that scampering rabbit a number of times. Pin him down, set it up.

As far as other complaints go, may I say nyah, nyah, I know yoiu are but what am I and.do any of you actually KNOW juat WHY you're haters of the one authentic UFO contactee, or does irrationality come with adopting pretend names, etc.?

Oh yeah, has ANYONE here actually accomplished anythiing of significance in their iives, or does the generous presence of someone who has kinda riole y'all up?

[MichaelHorn]

P.S. Oh yeah, it appears that people here, besides having a pathological need to try to insult, don't understand that an insult is only taken as such when one…respects the person trying to hurl the insult.

And, when someone really and truly knows themselves, they're also pretty much impossible to insult. If the criticism is true, then they take it to heart, correct it and learn from it. If it isn't, well, true to the Law of Cause and Effect, ultimately the particular, negative energy/intention comes back to the hurler, as many people here may have experienced…if not NOTICED, thinking that certain unpleasantness that they experience just "comes out of nowhere". It doesn't. We create more in our lives than we are aware of…since we create almost all of it.

There's also something I call the Law of the Oyster. That describes the process by which a…pearl is created. It actually starts with an irritant, right? Now perhaps the difference between you and me is that I'm conscious of when I DELIBERATELY invite/incite some irritation. And also when and for what reason.

In the past 48 hours, in addition to everything else I did, I filmed and uploaded an interview with someone who - unlike ANY of the people who post ANYTHING on this ENTIRE forum - has real, deep and often painfully unpleasant experience…with what is for the rest of you (and many other people) is simply the stuff of conspiracy theories and people who prattle on about them.

Speaking of attempted insults, and this is something that I guess comes with having a somewhat public career/presence, when I read all that stuff about "being in it for the money" I REALLY sit back and wonder - for a moment - just HOW people came up with that. Who the heck are they talking about?

In my entire rather lengthy life I've had no more than an accumulated total of 8 weeks of guaranteed income…at the most. That means that I had to become VERY resourceful, especially when I, without a useful skill in the world, had to begin to raise my 10 month old daughter by myself. Talk about a crash course in everyday reality.

How I turned my shiftless self into a super productive, accomplished person is a pretty good story. So, coming back to the idea of insults…I'm immune to them. And it would actually be a nice thing if you learned how to be the oyster in your own lives and not always the grain of sand. I can safely presume that applies to most here because when a person is truly and deservedly proud of themselves, recognizing the ongoing need and opportunities for constant improvement, they use their real names (even Salmon Rushdie does!) and they also value their time and of course try to turn those grains of sand…into pearls.

[ACE of CLUBS]

Okay, for all my adoring fans here, starting with AAG, see latest article refuting the sophomoric claims of a very inept "researcher". Then let me know if ther's really any doubt aboout the authenticity of the Meier case.

Re Razimouse, I offered to debate that scampering rabbit a number of times. Pin him down, set it up.

As far as other complaints go, may I say nyah, nyah, I know yoiu are but what am I and.do any of you actually KNOW juat WHY you're haters of the one authentic UFO contactee, or does irrationality come with adopting pretend names, etc.?

Oh yeah, has ANYONE here actually accomplished anythiing of significance in their iives, or does the generous presence of someone who has kinda riole y'all up?

Gasbag

[chefist]

Michael, I think you need some professional help.  I'm not joking or trying to be rude. Perhaps a therapist could help you with your clearly apparent issues with anger and paranoia.  If you know the posts on BG are negative, why do you continue to come back? It seems you would be better focusing on YouTube than here. 

[MichaelHorn]

See Law of the Oyster above...and:

n 1990, Michael Horn created Standing In Spirit, a self-observation, self-awareness technique that he has taught to individuals, groups and professional therapists internationally.

"The work I've done as a therapist and a client seems one-dimensional and limited compared to the experience I've had with Standing In Spirit. I believe it is a leap forward from traditional insight oriented psychotherapy in that it recognizes, supports and utilizes the mind, body and spirit in the goal of growth and healing."

Louise Sevilla-Barr, MSW

Standing in Spirit is a practical and effective means to consciously access, perceive, release and transform the subconsciously held patterns, influences, behaviors and beliefs which, as Prof. Bruce Lipton has said, control 95% of our lives. Michael spontaneously discovered and refined this process more than 15 years before Prof. Lipton published his findings in "The Biology of Belief". Standing in Spirit also has a built in, self-testing component by which the practitioner can objectively and honestly evaluate their own progress.

Michael was invited to teach Standing in Spirit to corporate and government leaders in Europe by a consultant to Princess Diana because of its stress-relieving and clarity-enhancing benefits:

"I am privileged to be asked by governments, corporations and institutions in 16 countries to conduct seminars and workshops on the general theme of communication with specific coverage of conflict resolution...I brought someone along with me who tremendously augmented my services and allowed me to go deeper and accomplish significantly more in a very short time. His name is Michael Horn. After several years of very diligent practice and integration, Michael is stress management."

Richard Greene, Author, international consultant

"I just got done watching your standing in spirit video! I must say that it is truly brilliant! I'm not just saying this to work you over; I truly mean it. I have been doing the same thing on my own for quite some time. Strange that you created this in the exact same manner as I was practicing. The only difference is that you truly defined it wonderfully. I am blown away! Whoever doesn't embrace this is truly missing out as I have been coming a long way with it. Thank you very much for what you do keep it up! You are truly rare indeed.

Take care friend no need to even email me back just wanted to give you praise."

Paul Salazar

In light of the often ominous, prophetic information in the Meier case, many people ask what they can do to make a positive difference in the world, individually and collectively.

While many specific global remedies have been recommended by the Plejaren, the real answer is that it still all boils down to the individual. From now on, true leadership will only flow from the bottom up, as people take back their individual power from all forms of failed external authority. And it is only through conscious self-awareness and self-responsibility that we can become effective individuals.

Billy Meier and FIGU have specifically recommended that Michael provide a workshop in Standing In Spirit at the end of his lectures, so that the audience can consciously experience their thoughts, beliefs, fears and inner processes, etc., and regain conscious control over them.

This DVD contains just such an experience. Michael first presents an overview of some of the spiritual information from the Plejaren in the Meier case and then teaches the Standing In Spirit process to the attendees and facilitates a group application of the process. Their unedited responses are included. The process can also be followed on screen as Michael is teaching it. This easy to learn format allows for clarification of the steps in the process, as well as for repeated guidance until one has assimilated, and made the systematic approach their own.
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I hope this...helps.

[Another Anonymous Gal]

Michael, I think you need some professional help.  I'm not joking or trying to be rude. Perhaps a therapist could help you with your clearly apparent issues with anger and paranoia.  If you know the posts on BG are negative, why do you continue to come back? It seems you would be better focusing on YouTube than here.

He reminds me of Dinish D'Souza, a classic narcissist with no recognition of how he appears to others.  Either that, or such a pathological asshole that he loves lying and making shit up and just seeing how far he can fling it, even when it's flung right back at him he pretends like he's not covered in filth.

[MichaelHorn]

The Law of the Oyster was an easy one to learn.

I've had some trouble though with the old, "Don't throw those pearls before swine" thing. This is one I tend to learn the hard way. But, being an optimist by nature, I often give it another shot.

[chefist]

He reminds me of Dinish D'Souza, a classic narcissist with no recognition of how he appears to others.  Either that, or such a pathological asshole that he loves lying and making shit up and just seeing how far he can fling it, even when it's flung right back at him he pretends like he's not covered in filth.

Yea, I'm leaning towards narcissism...he can't be just getting off trolling BellGabbers...but you never know I guess...

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

...when I read all that stuff about "being in it for the money" I REALLY sit back and wonder - for a moment - just HOW people came up with that....

...That means that I had to become VERY resourceful, especially when I, without a useful skill in the world, had to begin to raise my 10 month old daughter by myself....

That sounds like a profit motive to me.  Would you say you were desperate and resourceful enough to dupe people into giving up their money for false hope and enlightenment?  Surely a smart guy like you wouldn't want to resort to working odd manual labour jobs.

[PB the Deplorable]

That is correct [existence of Billy Meier comic book]. I produced it so as to put a few of the important issues in a format that would be accessible to young people and anyone who wants a bit more of a sense of the context, etc...

This would also be a perfect vehicle for Richard C Hoagland and his discoveries. 

In fact I envision an ongoing comic book series devoted to these various science fiction claims presented as fact.  The alien in the freezer and Ian's horse trapped in a man's body deserve to be included among the first issues..

[PB the Deplorable]

... an insult is only taken as such when one…respects the person trying to hurl the insult...

Yes, that's why you're the butt of jokes around here.  I wasn't sure you understood that.

[MichaelHorn]

Since Georgie's posed the closest thing to a real question - I never figured out why people here couldn't ask REAL questions - I'll answer it.

I'll give a bit of background about how I went from doing almost nothing to being endorsed and brought to Europe to train government and business executives by Richard Greene, a former personal consultant to Princess Diana (http://www.richardgreene.org/). I guess neither he nor the therapists who also endorse my work share uninformed (and probably terminal) cynicism.

As far as  so-called "lowly" work (there is no such thing), or odd manual labor jobs go, it began like this. To take myself out of being homeless in NYC, I had a very brief stint as a clerk in a porno bookstore in Times Square, then worked in a deli in Brooklyn and as a bus boy in an IHOP in the Bronx. I was a chauffer in NYC (where I started the multi-million dollar, almost 50-year-long, still ongoing fad of fingernail art and then was briefly on A&M records), a "gopher" at a record company in L.A., where I also worked in a car wash, was a printer's assistant, maintenance man at a hotel in Santa Monica, cook, cut stencils for silk screening on T-shirts, sculptor of statuettes, designed promotional claendars/ads for businesses in Venice, California, I was a fry cook at a major vegetarian restaurant (where I met Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys who brought me into the studio to write lyrics for him), sold frozen food and refrigerators, worked in a subway sandwich shop, pioneered applications in the water purification industry for two separate companies, which I helped to turn into multi-million dollar businesses from scratch by getting accounts like…Starbucks to put water purification in their 7,000+ stores, I came up with an idea for online book publishing in 1995, that turned into a company called eBooks, then NetBooks, at the same time I was teaching both Standing in Spirit and Sit & Get Fit, I was granted a teaching credential by the State of California based on demonstrating my abilities gained through life experience and I taught in the Beverly Hills School System, as well as in numerous facilities helping to rehabilitate seniors, including for 10 years at the Motion Picture TV Fund (http://www.mptf.com/home) as its highest paid independent teacher/therapist, Workmen's Compensation of CA had me go into homes to help rehabilitate seniors, I appeared in two issues of INSIDE KUNG FU magazine, did volunteer work through the C.L.A.R.E. Foundation and private facilities with young people regarding drugs and alcohol problems, I did/do music production, film production, I'm an award-winning painter, songwriter and filmmaker and…and all of this I basically accomplished self-taught.

I hope that answers your questions.

[Eddie Coyle]

   Blow your horn...

 

[MichaelHorn]

When asked, of course.

[PB the Deplorable]

Since Georgie's posed the closest thing to a real question - I never figured out why people here couldn't ask REAL questions - I'll answer it.

I'll give a bit of background about how I went from doing almost nothing to being endorsed and brought to Europe to train government and business executives by Richard Greene, a former personal consultant to Princess Diana (http://www.richardgreene.org/). I guess neither he nor the therapists who also endorse my work share uninformed (and probably terminal) cynicism.

As far as  so-called "lowly" work (there is no such thing), or odd manual labor jobs go, it began like this. To take myself out of being homeless in NYC, I had a very brief stint as a clerk in a porno bookstore in Times Square, then worked in a deli in Brooklyn and as a bus boy in an IHOP in the Bronx. I was a chauffer in NYC (where I started the multi-million dollar, almost 50-year-long, still ongoing fad of fingernail art and then was briefly on A&M records), a "gopher" at a record company in L.A., where I also worked in a car wash, was a printer's assistant, maintenance man at a hotel in Santa Monica, cook, cut stencils for silk screening on T-shirts, sculptor of statuettes, designed promotional claendars/ads for businesses in Venice, California, I was a fry cook at a major vegetarian restaurant (where I met Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys who brought me into the studio to write lyrics for him), sold frozen food and refrigerators, worked in a subway sandwich shop, pioneered applications in the water purification industry for two separate companies, which I helped to turn into multi-million dollar businesses from scratch by getting accounts like…Starbucks to put water purification in their 7,000+ stores, I came up with an idea for online book publishing in 1995, that turned into a company called eBooks, then NetBooks, at the same time I was teaching both Standing in Spirit and Sit & Get Fit, I was granted a teaching credential by the State of California based on demonstrating my abilities gained through life experience and I taught in the Beverly Hills School System, as well as in numerous facilities helping to rehabilitate seniors, including for 10 years at the Motion Picture TV Fund (http://www.mptf.com/home) as its highest paid independent teacher/therapist, Workmen's Compensation of CA had me go into homes to help rehabilitate seniors, I appeared in two issues of INSIDE KUNG FU magazine, did volunteer work through the C.L.A.R.E. Foundation and private facilities with young people regarding drugs and alcohol problems, I did/do music production, film production, I'm an award-winning painter, songwriter and filmmaker and…and all of this I basically accomplished self-taught.

I hope that answers your questions.

And which part of all that qualifies you to investigate an elaborate UFO claim on the scale of what Billy Meier presented?  In a foreign country with all the issues that involves, on top of the claims themselves

Because if I were looking for someone to investigate his claims, it would be someone with a relevant background, and someone who didn't have a vested interest in it all turning out to be legitimate. 

[Bradsmith313]

I remember Sean David Morton making a lot of claims.

He was a fraud. I always knew he was and it was proven to be true.

Tsk tsk. I'm getting that feeling again . . . .

One other thing. Brad Smith is my real name. I'm quite certain I'll be attacked on other things . . . .

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/michael_horn.htm

Found the above link during a search. A bit old but nonetheless interesting. Some links are dead but here's a good one:

http://www.mercuryrapids.co.uk/articles/ThePleiadianHoax.htm

[MichaelHorn]

To Paper Boy, who also almost poses a question.

I began my independent investigation into the case in 1979. I had zero training in anything related to investigation - as I had zero training in almost everything else that I created, pioneered, succeeded at. Up until that time I basically only considered myself an artist, singer-songwriter, etc.

However, the photos and information were so compelling that I began my process. I received the first 1,800 pages of the Contact Reports in 1986 and studied them for months. In 1988 I opened up a local paper and saw an article about a "new discovery" pertaining to the connection between the ozone layer damage and A-bomb explosions, etc. I recalled reading it before and found that information in the first 100 pages of the 1975 Contacts…where it was also mentioned that Meier knew about it all even in 1951.

This was the beginning of turning my attention to what I refer to as the "higher standard of proof", the prohetically accurate scientific information. In the next couple of years more examples popped up in the news a s"new discoveries" that were in the documents that I first started to read in 1986.

I co-produced The Pleiadian Connection in around 1987 with Randolph Winters, without any previous experience either. I then began to do my own presentations since I discovered that I possessed a very good memory for retaiing the information, etc.

In 1995, when I created eBooks, I met an author who was an attorney and judge and who was putting his book on our site. He introduced me to the Myers-Briggs test at our meeting, which was a major life shifting experience. The test determined that I was an INTJ, like NASA aerospace engineer Matthew Wieczkiewicz (http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/05/prweb11867883.htm). When he explained how this personality type can excel in certain areas pertaining to sciences, systems, management, research, investigation, organization, etc., it forever changed my awareness of these other abilities…so I decided to exploit them.

Since the core of the Meier case teaches one how to…think, my progress accelerated and I gave myself permission to expand on my research, as well as producing films, etc. I'd met the original investigators, Lee and Brit Elders and Wendelle Stevens, in about 1987 and I learned a lot form them and their work. They were professional, high-level investigators; the Elders were also originally hardcore skeptics that the Meier case could be true.

Physicist and aerospace engineer David Froning (http://theyfly.com/Scientific_Experts.html) also said these remarks at one of my presentations on the Meier case:

"My colleagues and I may have made breakthroughs in our understanding of possibilities and ways for traveling faster than light from Billy Meier's accounts of his encounters with the Plejarens...If what this Meier is saying is just a hoax, he's being cued by some very knowledgeable scientists. I've only discussed this Meier case with scientists who are fairly open-minded about interstellar flight, but I'll tell you, the majority of them think it's credible and agree at least with part, or sometimes all, of the things talked about by the Plejarens."

So the short answer is that I took responsibilty for doing the things that I wanted and were important to me and I had virtually no formal education or training in almost all of them. Many accomplished people can say the same thing. I was able to determine over many years, and 15 trips to Switzerland, that the Meier case was authentic and hands down the most important story/event in human history. This encouraged me to set many of my other abilities and talents, etc., aside, as the significance of the Meier case was infitely greater.

All of this led to my volunteering to represent the Meier case, for free, in the media, do interviews, write articles, make films at my own expense, etc., all of which I also had no background in.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot. Anthony Robbins used to have me come and sing my song, "I'll Be my Own Hero", at his Firewalk Experience events. It's also in the award-winning film my daughter and I produced, "Breaking the Silence" (http://www.breakingthesilencemovie.com/), which is used by therapists, etc.

As far as the article referred by Brad Smith, obviously such unfounded skepticism is laughable to someone who not only has done all the actual work of real investigation but who - well after he knew the case to be true - had his own sighting, within 20' of a small monitoring craft n the mountains of Brazil.

That bell can never be un-rung.

[Another Anonymous Gal]

Physicist and aerospace engineer David Froning (http://theyfly.com/Scientific_Experts.html) also said these remarks at one of my presentations on the Meier case:

"My colleagues and I may have made breakthroughs in our understanding of possibilities and ways for traveling faster than light from Billy Meier's accounts of his encounters with the Plejarens...If what this Meier is saying is just a hoax, he's being cued by some very knowledgeable scientists. I've only discussed this Meier case with scientists who are fairly open-minded about interstellar flight, but I'll tell you, the majority of them think it's credible and agree at least with part, or sometimes all, of the things talked about by the Plejarens."

Yeah, still waiting for this one, Horn.  You've been preaching that quote for years.  Where's my FTL drive?  Or even a breakthrough?  Maybe it's time you retire these ancient quotes in favour of ones that pan out.  Put up or shut up.

[MichaelHorn]

Dear AAG,

You have a remarkably short memory. You seem to have forgotten that we took you forward in time...but then again it could be our fault for getting you back before you left.

[Bradsmith313]

Dear AAG,

You have a remarkably short memory. You seem to have forgotten that we took you forward in time...but then again it could be our fault for getting you back before you left.

Nothing has happened because none of it is true. It's a hoax.

[MichaelHorn]

Now there you go spoiling the creative possibilities for Ms. AAG. Who knows, maybe she can make it real.

[Yorkshire pud]

Since Georgie's posed the closest thing to a real question - I never figured out why people here couldn't ask REAL questions - I'll answer it.

I'll give a bit of background about how I went from doing almost nothing to being endorsed and brought to Europe to train government and business executives by Richard Greene, a former personal consultant to Princess Diana (http://www.richardgreene.org/). I guess neither he nor the therapists who also endorse my work share uninformed (and probably terminal) cynicism.

As far as  so-called "lowly" work (there is no such thing), or odd manual labor jobs go, it began like this. To take myself out of being homeless in NYC, I had a very brief stint as a clerk in a porno bookstore in Times Square, then worked in a deli in Brooklyn and as a bus boy in an IHOP in the Bronx. I was a chauffer in NYC (where I started the multi-million dollar, almost 50-year-long, still ongoing fad of fingernail art and then was briefly on A&M records), a "gopher" at a record company in L.A., where I also worked in a car wash, was a printer's assistant, maintenance man at a hotel in Santa Monica, cook, cut stencils for silk screening on T-shirts, sculptor of statuettes, designed promotional claendars/ads for businesses in Venice, California, I was a fry cook at a major vegetarian restaurant (where I met Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys who brought me into the studio to write lyrics for him), sold frozen food and refrigerators, worked in a subway sandwich shop, pioneered applications in the water purification industry for two separate companies, which I helped to turn into multi-million dollar businesses from scratch by getting accounts like…Starbucks to put water purification in their 7,000+ stores, I came up with an idea for online book publishing in 1995, that turned into a company called eBooks, then NetBooks, at the same time I was teaching both Standing in Spirit and Sit & Get Fit, I was granted a teaching credential by the State of California based on demonstrating my abilities gained through life experience and I taught in the Beverly Hills School System, as well as in numerous facilities helping to rehabilitate seniors, including for 10 years at the Motion Picture TV Fund (http://www.mptf.com/home) as its highest paid independent teacher/therapist, Workmen's Compensation of CA had me go into homes to help rehabilitate seniors, I appeared in two issues of INSIDE KUNG FU magazine, did volunteer work through the C.L.A.R.E. Foundation and private facilities with young people regarding drugs and alcohol problems, I did/do music production, film production, I'm an award-winning painter, songwriter and filmmaker and…and all of this I basically accomplished self-taught.

I hope that answers your questions.

When conspiracy theorists/ grifters self promote themselves as 'award winning', it's usually some obscure unknown little village hall garland they received for 'best daisy display'.

[Bradsmith313]

When conspiracy theorists/ grifters self promote themselves as 'award winning', it's usually some obscure unknown little village hall garland they received for 'best daisy display'.

True. Morton was infamous for that.