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Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« on: January 02, 2016, 02:04:57 AM »
What do think about Sanders?
What would you like to see him change?
Why do believe in The Colonel?

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2016, 05:50:15 AM »
sorry for the double post, but why should i type this shit twice?

i forgot to mention on the show tonight...

i went to isidewith.com and answered all of the political positioning questions it uses to determine which candidate you most closely correspond with.  my results?

1) 83% Trump
2) 77% Bernie

isn't that remarkable?  i'm sure 99% of the people in a bernie crowd are of the belief that a trump voter couldn't possibly have anything in common with them, yet here i am with bernie in a close second place.  even before taking this test, i knew that a bernie presidency wouldn't necessarily bother me too much.  i think he's a FAR more viable candidate than hillary.  the democrats need to get their heads out of their asses.

i'd vote for trump over bernie in a general election, of course... but i'd support bernie over any of the other republican candidates... particularly rubio, bush, christie, or fiorina.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2016, 06:03:47 AM »
sorry for the double post, but why should i type this shit twice?

If pollsters and analysts could factor in the degree of confusion among voters ("undecided" doesn't capture this), those numbers might not be so paradoxical. People are very confused and we are living in a time of great upheaval. There's no way to scientifically measure that effect on a political race while it is happening.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2016, 06:18:23 AM »
98% clinton
98% sanders
21% trump

Who would have thought?

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2016, 06:34:55 AM »
If pollsters and analysts could factor in the degree of confusion among voters ("undecided" doesn't capture this), those numbers might not be so paradoxical. People are very confused and we are living in a time of great upheaval. There's no way to scientifically measure that effect on a political race while it is happening.

I think the 2016 race is going to upend the axioms found in political rule books.  Analysts and consultants are currently losing a lot of sleep because gone are the traditional rules governing how campaigns are run and how winners are predicted.  The Bush/Rubio consultants must surely look incompetent to their clients.

Can anyone even begin to imagine how shell shocked Jeb Bush and his advisors are at this very moment?  Or the establishment fallback Rubio and his handlers?  Even if you combine the current "establishment candidate" polling percentages, it only amounts to half of Trump's national average. 

This wasn't supposed to happen.  The Trump phenomenon is definitely going to end a few political consultancy careers out there.  Let's hope Karl Rove is among the first to see his phone stop ringing.  He's clueless.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2016, 06:38:00 AM »
98% clinton


you're too reasonable to be 98% aligned with hillary clinton.  i don't believe it.

did isidewith.com ask if you support establishing a "no fly zone" in syria and shooting down russian jets that enter it, resulting in world war 3?  because that's clinton's position, and it's a pretty frightening one.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2016, 07:26:04 AM »
you're too reasonable to be 98% aligned with hillary clinton.  i don't believe it.

did isidewith.com ask if you support establishing a "no fly zone" in syria and shooting down russian jets that enter it, resulting in world war 3?  because that's clinton's position, and it's a pretty frightening one.

not that I recall. I was being distracted by my cat however.

Oh I was playing Fallout 4, so a nuclear dystopia might have been my goal.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2016, 07:32:01 AM »
you're too reasonable to be 98% aligned with hillary clinton.  i don't believe it.

did isidewith.com ask if you support establishing a "no fly zone" in syria and shooting down russian jets that enter it, resulting in world war 3?  because that's clinton's position, and it's a pretty frightening one.

To be completely candid. I just do not trust Trump. Perhaps, had he just come onto the scene in the last couple of years and wasn't quite as bombastic. I would probably be in his camp. When I get to listen to him in what I consider scripted interviews, he does intrigue me. But then it gets back to the trust thing.

And yes, I pretty much do trust Sanders.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2016, 08:27:41 AM »
I'd like to see Trump and Bernie morphed into 1 candidate.  Or perhaps a co-presidency that required them to be locked in a room and not let out until they both agreed on a decision.  That would wipe out most of their wacky views and augment both of their weaknesses.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2016, 08:52:11 AM »
I'm sure many of you are already aware:



Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2016, 09:50:19 AM »
To be completely candid. I just do not trust Trump. Perhaps, had he just come onto the scene in the last couple of years and wasn't quite as bombastic. I would probably be in his camp. When I get to listen to him in what I consider scripted interviews, he does intrigue me. But then it gets back to the trust thing.

And yes, I pretty much do trust Sanders.

Trust and credibility I'd suggest. Sure, I'd be the first to say that the current system is broken. Billions being poured by benefactors into candidates knowing they and not the population will be looked after post election. Over here is similar. The 'people's party here (Labour Party) is now lead by an aspiring communist, he was made leader when his predecessor resigned after failing to win the last General election. Corbyn was made leader because members who voted for him joined en masse due to his predecessor ironically bringing in a scheme to join for only £3. So all the ones who felt neglected and ostracised by the war criminal Tony Blair now joined! There is of course a possibility Labour might win next time, hopefully not, but Cameron is a twat. So what choice?

Trump has no credibility. Anyone who believes he's for the people hasn't seen what he does abroad, as in Scotland. He's only for Trump Inc.  He has to play on the world stage if he's to be a statesman, and he's no statesman. He's an arrogant big mouthed vile (on several levels) twat. America's standing will really take a dive if he's in the Whitehouse. Those voting hm in might not care about that; but they will when the rest of the world treats him (and by extension the USA) like a joke. Until WW3 breaks out of course, but by then it won't matter.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2016, 10:04:52 AM »
98% clinton
98% sanders
21% trump

Who would have thought?

What did you do?  Answer "I don't know" for every question?  LOL

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2016, 10:26:39 AM »
What did you do?  Answer "I don't know" for every question?  LOL

That put a smile on my face.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
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Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2016, 11:36:30 AM »


Hey, it's 2016, time to start ragging on running mates!

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2016, 03:09:28 PM »
Let's see... I voted for Nixon once, that didn't work out so well. Later I voted for Perot twice, we all know how that went. So now it seems I've 'evolved' in my politics, according to isidewith.
 
Code: [Select]
Sanders  96
Clinton  90
O'Malley 78
Paul     68
Trump    62
 

Actually, 'evolved' is bullshit, I've followed Sanders since Bush first took office, I regarded Sanders and Kucinich as the only two trustworthy politicians on the hill because they weren't owned and that's my primary litmus test before any statements or positions are considered.
 

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
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Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2016, 06:30:07 PM »
this is exactly correct.

Hang on just a minute. There's a real problem if this election gets decided mainly based on the perceived authenticity of the candidates. I clearly understand the importance of authenticity to the ability of the next president to function effectively, but let's not overlook political philosophy and policy positions in the process of casting our votes.

Let's take a deep breath and try to see the whole picture.

P.S. Authenticity does appear to be the #1 campaign issue, whether that's acknowledged or not.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2016, 06:33:24 PM »
Hang on just a minute. There's a real problem if this election gets decided mainly based on the perceived authenticity of the candidates. I clearly understand the importance of authenticity to the ability of the next president to function effectively, but let's not overlook political philosophy and policy positions in the process of casting our votes.

Let's take a deep breath and try to see the whole picture.

Said noone without a job ever.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
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Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2016, 06:49:01 PM »
Huh?

Yeah, it made more sense in my head.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2016, 08:16:18 PM »
If Bernie is elected, I'm going to take him up on free college.  I can't wait to offend some snowflakes and commit microagressions.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2016, 10:10:29 PM »
If Bernie is elected, I'm going to take him up on free college.  I can't wait to offend some snowflakes and commit microagressions.

You'll need some remediation type courses and sensitivity training before you're allowed on campus. "There's no such thing as a free ride" has been redefined by student governments.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2016, 09:17:34 AM »
I like what Bernie says about wallstreet and how corrupt and stupid the whole system is.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2016, 09:22:16 AM »
You'll need some remediation type courses and sensitivity training before you're allowed on campus. "There's no such thing as a free ride" has been redefined by student governments.

All business schools will have to be shit down until they purge themselves of all those free market enterprise references in their propaganda.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2016, 03:29:52 PM »
I'm so disgusted with the selections I still don't know who I'll vote for.  Unlike the others, Bernie seems to be free of any obvious mental disorders, so maybe it'll be him. 

And just because Trump hits home with occasional truths (I've agreed with him on many occasions), it doesn't mean he's qualified or capable of running the country.  Putin and other dubious world leaders can also see that Trump's box is empty under the shiny wrappings and are poised to exploit his buffoonery.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2016, 03:47:57 PM »
I'm so disgusted with the selections I still don't know who I'll vote for.  Unlike the others, Bernie seems to be free of any obvious mental disorders, so maybe it'll be him. 

And just because Trump hits home with occasional truths (I've agreed with him on many occasions), it doesn't mean he's qualified or capable of running the country.  Putin and other dubious world leaders can also see that Trump's box is empty under the shiny wrappings and are poised to exploit his buffoonery.

When teachers used to tell us that "any one of you" could grow up to be president if you try hard enough, most kids didn't quite take that literally. A few did, apparently, and those few are mostly who's running this time around. Maybe we need a new kind of draft so that we can get the best qualified candidates into the race. After your first term, you can re-up and run again or go back to your regular life. Would people burn *that* draft card?

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2016, 03:48:53 PM »
I'm so disgusted with the selections I still don't know who I'll vote for.  Unlike the others, Bernie seems to be free of any obvious mental disorders, so maybe it'll be him. 

And just because Trump hits home with occasional truths (I've agreed with him on many occasions), it doesn't mean he's qualified or capable of running the country.  Putin and other dubious world leaders can also see that Trump's box is empty under the shiny wrappings and are poised to exploit his buffoonery.

Just following up on your train of thought, really not trying to start a fight. What makes Sanders qualified or capable of running a country.

I really am trying to understand.

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2016, 04:26:08 PM »
Just following ip on your train of thought, really not trying to start a fight. What makes Sanders qualified or capable of running a country.

I really am trying to understand.

I'm not looking for a long list of accomplishments.  But Sanders seems to embody a healthy emotional intellect, maturity, humility, and common sense, which seem to be seriously lacking these days--perhaps no more evident in the current crop of presidential candidates.  Over the years I've worked with a number of people who came to their job with an impressive résumé and a high opinion of themselves, but proved to be socially inept, volatile, or impossibly difficult to work with. 

Re: Bernie Sanders 2016 Thread
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2016, 05:04:17 PM »
I'm not looking for a long list of accomplishments.  But Sanders seems to embody a healthy emotional intellect, maturity, humility, and common sense, which seem to be seriously lacking these days--perhaps no more evident in the current crop of presidential candidates.  Over the years I've worked with a number of people who came to their job with an impressive résumé and a high opinion of themselves, but proved to be socially inept, volatile, or impossibly difficult to work with.

My opinion is that people from either party that have been politicians all of their life are suspect. And that is my opinion no matter which party they claim to be in.

I have an opinion as well, that Senators do not make good candidates for President. I do not remember a good Senator that I would have supported as President.

Trump is not my first choice.

The presidency is an executive office. There are several governors that I did, or could have supported, but none of the current candidates impress me.

As an executive, it is all about surrounding yourself with all of the smart people and actually managing. To me, that takes someone that has experience doing that.

I am not sure who I will vote for in the primary. I know who most closely reflects my conservative ideals, but I am not sure I want that person as President.

It will be interesting to see who the nominees will be. I won't hide behind a smokescreen.  I won't vote for Sanders because I don't agree with his socialist tendencies and I don't think he has the executive experience. I won't vote for Clinton for too many reasons to list here. There were two elections I refused to vote for the Republican candidate, I voted third party instead. If there was a third party candidate this year, I might be inclined to do that again if they represented my conservative values.

I wish the Libertarian party could field a strong candidate. If you look at the results of the last several elections, there is not much difference between the parties once they get elected.

I don't think things will get better until term limits are instituted for Congress and a balanced budget amendment is put in place.

It is sad really. The campaigns try to label and divide the electorate. My guess is that 75% of the US pretty much have the same morals. 5-10% are far right and 15-20% are far left.

But what do I know.