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Finding deep web discussion forums and such

Started by Caruthers612, September 22, 2015, 10:19:05 PM

Caruthers612


         I have been interested for some time in finding some forums for discussing matters of a political and technological nature on the deep web or dark web, because of the increasing amount of snooping done by our gov't, and after watching a documentary the other night on the capture of Dread Pirate Roberts and the concerted effort by Uncle Sam to crack down, as they see it, on users of encryption of the deep web, I am even more determined to find such sites so I have some feeling of privacy when speaking my mind. From what I understand, though, you have to be invited to a deep web site, and because the sites don't show up in search results, you don't know their URLs, etc.

         Bottom line, do any of you critters use the deep web, and know of any forums there for free and open exchange of ideas that I might try, using Tor? Thanks.

I wouldn't know anything about this but I imagine Reddit would be a good place to start.

lamr

Galaxy2: http://w363zoq3ylux5rf5.onion

Might fit the bill. Zero tolerance for CP (rule 1).

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SredniVashtar

Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 23, 2015, 04:34:32 AM
I wouldn't know anything about this but I imagine Reddit would be a good place to start.

It depends on whether you are 18 years-old with the attention span of a retarded gnat. If the answer is "yes", then have at it!

Quote from: SredniVashtar on September 23, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
It depends on whether you are 18 years-old with the attention span of a retarded gnat. If the answer is "yes", then have at it!

;D I find it amusing that you continually have no idea what you're talking about.

Caruthers612

Quote from: lamr on September 23, 2015, 09:26:02 AM
Galaxy2: http://w363zoq3ylux5rf5.onion

Might fit the bill. Zero tolerance for CP (rule 1).

       Thank you, brother. I went there and checked it out. Looks promising. I'm not into CP, so no worries there.

albrecht

I don't know your motives but presume good, hopefully. I will say, unfortunately, I had to help a relative go there to "buy back" via encryption via Cryptolocker 3.0 trogan/malware/virus whatever it was called. Fuck them and the pedos, criminals, and hackers there. A complicated mess to get back whole harddrive of cousin who not "tech" (neither am I but more, I guess.) Anyway, also stuff from his parents, grandparents, etc. Wedding, kids, old family photos scans, basically all. Had to download Tor, buy BitCoins, etc etc etc. So, I was against the blackmail, but only copies they had so the anon and Russians won this round. But pretty lame and I lost all respect for hackers. Though they did send the de-crypt algo and they got back the photos and docs (for now.) (I backed up on various media, so hope, figure, no more?) But it was pretty lame, though clever, I guess. Apparently some police departments have had to pay and since the teens and hackers are in other countries (or behind proxies) a crime that will still happening. But, now, I say, screw them I don't mind when the hacker, torrent, anon, whistleblowers who hide, etc go down; actually. Used to be sort of ok, Anon and hackers getting info out to public or- at worst- still theft- but not "gone" and from deep pockets (rationalizing now) but now almost all criminals for profit/fame or outright extortionists? I wondered when Anon stopped going after the cartels when they claimed they would (remember that?) Now I know, I think I figured it out, easier to extort from stupid and old people with software. Shameless, cowards.

It's weird how the dark web has been around for years but some reason has exploded in mainstream attention in the last year. It's scary to me. Especially with the very hushed reports of the CIA infiltrating bitcoin and the FBI claiming to own Dark Web even though time and again they've shown themselves to be clueless.

Wintermute

The concept of "deep" or "dark" web is idiocy to begin with. If it is truly an anonymous, free, open net, then people wouldn't need to create secure sandboxes to feel safe working within it. Servers wouldn't change constantly. The fact is, it's no more anonymous than the "surface" web. Even when you are working off a sandboxed VM, using a VPN service and double-NATed in the pipe off a cloud service, you can still be fingerprinted. Is it tougher to find you? Sure, but not impossible. and it's done all the time.

The fact is that the "deep" net you see isn't even the deep net. It's the surface of something even deeper that runs on completely different protocols over P2P encrypted systems. If you want to go deep... well if you have to ask you can't pull it off. It's not a plug-and-play / drop-in anytime deal.

With that said, I am not sure why anyone **needs** to be deep today unless you are doing some heinous stuff or are someone who is trying to stop heinous stuff. And if you are LEO looking for deep net info here... WOW.

albrecht

Quote from: VoteQuimby on September 24, 2015, 07:58:06 PM
It's weird how the dark web has been around for years but some reason has exploded in mainstream attention in the last year. It's scary to me. Especially with the very hushed reports of the CIA infiltrating bitcoin and the FBI claiming to own Dark Web even though time and again they've shown themselves to be clueless.
Not that I'm doing anything illegal but I've always questioned when the news, usually reading government press releases, get into an uproar over PGP (or other) encryption being "unbreakable," Tor networks being "anonymous," and smartphone encryption being "too strong and hindering criminal investigations or terrorists." When when even looks briefly at the stuff one sees government involvement in the creation of such things. Granted the government can be incompetent but less so in some areas. I think it all is a scam to entrap and catch (if they wish to do so at some point) criminals, terrorists, political opponents, etc. I doubt this stuff really is "anonymous," but maybe I'm just paranoid.

Caruthers612

Quote from: Wintermute on September 25, 2015, 02:50:23 PM
The concept of "deep" or "dark" web is idiocy to begin with. If it is truly an anonymous, free, open net, then people wouldn't need to create secure sandboxes to feel safe working within it. Servers wouldn't change constantly. The fact is, it's no more anonymous than the "surface" web. Even when you are working off a sandboxed VM, using a VPN service and double-NATed in the pipe off a cloud service, you can still be fingerprinted. Is it tougher to find you? Sure, but not impossible. and it's done all the time.

The fact is that the "deep" net you see isn't even the deep net. It's the surface of something even deeper that runs on completely different protocols over P2P encrypted systems. If you want to go deep... well if you have to ask you can't pull it off. It's not a plug-and-play / drop-in anytime deal.

With that said, I am not sure why anyone **needs** to be deep today unless you are doing some heinous stuff or are someone who is trying to stop heinous stuff. And if you are LEO looking for deep net info here... WOW.

            Some good points made here, by all. It's true, of course, there's been a lot of hype about the "dark" <cue scary music and thunder> web, especially since Hollywood's involvement; and, as you say, Wintermute, what people refer to as the deep web is neither invisible nor uncrackable to authorities intent on finding your ass. What I want is a place to discuss ideas which are, in part, political, in an atmosphere of free and open exchange, without fear of being monitored and possibly viewed as subversive by the 'tards, mega-'tards and full-on giga-'tards that run the world. Perhaps it ain't possible except inside a lead-lined room using two computers connected to each other using an ethernet cable and nothin' else (well, some snacks, obviously), but I thought I'd try, nonetheless.

Quote from: Wintermute on September 25, 2015, 02:50:23 PM
The concept of "deep" or "dark" web is idiocy to begin with. If it is truly an anonymous, free, open net, then people wouldn't need to create secure sandboxes to feel safe working within it. Servers wouldn't change constantly. The fact is, it's no more anonymous than the "surface" web. Even when you are working off a sandboxed VM, using a VPN service and double-NATed in the pipe off a cloud service, you can still be fingerprinted. Is it tougher to find you? Sure, but not impossible. and it's done all the time.

The fact is that the "deep" net you see isn't even the deep net. It's the surface of something even deeper that runs on completely different protocols over P2P encrypted systems. If you want to go deep... well if you have to ask you can't pull it off. It's not a plug-and-play / drop-in anytime deal.

With that said, I am not sure why anyone **needs** to be deep today unless you are doing some heinous stuff or are someone who is trying to stop heinous stuff. And if you are LEO looking for deep net info here... WOW.

First:  Very well said.The Onion Router may have offered some protection at one time, but not anymore. Whomever controls the exit nodes controls what's going through them. Granted the encryption still has to be cracked, but if you control a node and have 6-7 Tesla's on a cluster HPC system w/ 2-3 supermicro Xeon dual or quad cpu mobo's, and 96+ GB RAM (432 would be better) dedicated to the hashing algorithms ,you can damn near break the encryption (256-bit) in real time. That system can be built for around $10-$15,000.00 in used parts(2-3 generation old hardware(estimated on the expensive side)), the Tesla's and the RAM being the major cost.
There is a major misconception as to the DEEP-net, & the DARK-net,( and no there is no deepDarkNet;) ) . Deep-net are pages that bots, web crawlers(spiders), and auto-hooks can't get to because they are unindexed, protected by a login,or  on a private LAN that's fire-walled between the LAN and the WAN with closed ports. This serves a couple of purposes, It keeps out the spam and attackers, allows only authorized users to access private systems either remote or local, may contain honeypots, DMZ, and IDS to keep intruders out, the list goes on.
On the LAN side is the "deep-net". These are things like college libraries, archives, corporate supercomputers, inaccessible to the average Joe surfing the web. They are not indexed by, for example Google, or other meta-search engines because the engines have no access to them.
The Dark-net on the other hand is a deep net use to conduct illicit business.
Back to TOR, understand that it is compromised, He who controls the exit nodes IS God. That's why the alphabet soup agencies claim they own it, they now control over 2/3 the exit nodes. Another thing to consider, where are your network packets going when they leave your computer ? No network is totally hardwired anymore. Satellite, WiFi, 3G-4G all broadcast over the air at some point in the transmission cycle and every hardwired network ties into these systems at some point. Economics -it's cheaper to run (after initial hardware costs) and there is more profit margin. If it's broadcast over the air, it can be intercepted anywhere.
Back to your question. Cat's and chicks that have their own private networks for privacy's sake hang out on IRC channels. Search them out, but a WARNING: Be careful and use your judgment. There is nothing totally private on the web anymore, and once it's online, it's there forever. Be careful where you leave your digital footprints and for gods sake turn off javascript in your web browser and don't just remove cookies on browser close, but remove the Flash(super-)cookies also. Clear the DOM at shutdown too. Only activate JS it if it 's ABSOLUTELY needed. You should be encrypting your transmissions and using HTTPS instead of HTTP anyway. It aint much, but it'll keep the script kiddies out. Startpage now offers an encrypted email service for $60.00 a year I think, and they're located in Denmark so they can't be forced by the US to give up their users. You may have heard of the Electronic Freedom Foundation (EFF) ? Art has had the girl that's heavy into that on his show a couple of times in the late 90's early 00's
Do some research on encryption, private networks, VM's, & TAILS live system [which uses the compromised TOR.]
WinterMute has got it pretty much on the head. It's a sad fact of life. P2P is something to look into. Please remember there is no privacy online, but you CAN do things to protect yourself. You have to do some research yourself as this subject is so vast.
Please ditch Windows. There are so many backdoors built into the kernel it isn't funny. If you like Windows, get yourself a cheap used computer and run Linux (easiest OS to learn and fiddle with) on it. Keep your Windows box to do day to day stuff.Linux is free and open source (FOSS) BTW. Set up that Linux box securely to to do just the stuff you want to try to keep private. With Windows, you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell at any modicum of privacy.
Just my 2 cents.

One more thing, you might want to look into Truecrypt. Development has stopped, but only because 'da gubment' was about to litigate them out of business. This one is still a bitch to crack - read heavy resources and money.

triola

Quote from: (Sandman) Logan-5 on September 26, 2015, 05:25:31 AM
One more thing, you might want to look into Truecrypt. Development has stopped, but only because 'da gubment' was about to litigate them out of business. This one is still a bitch to crack - read heavy resources and money.

Amen to all the above with the addition that TrueCrypt has been forked to VeraCrypt, which is currently maintained.

Caruthers612


         <sigh> I find it sad that there is now no way to have true freedom or privacy online. I remember those heady days when the web was brand new, before there was even e-commerce or nothin', the ASCII art days. Man, that freedom was sweet. Oh well, maybe when we merge with AI and become Cybermen we'll figure out a way.

Quote from: Caruthers612 on September 26, 2015, 03:37:15 PM
         <sigh> I find it sad that there is now no way to have true freedom or privacy online. I remember those heady days when the web was brand new, before there was even e-commerce or nothin', the ASCII art days. Man, that freedom was sweet. Oh well, maybe when we merge with AI and become Cybermen we'll figure out a way.


It wasn't my intent to be such a downer Caruthers. Sorry Bro. Lock down the box you use and you'll be fairly safe from drive-by-downloads, script kiddies, ransom-ware, and malicious sites.  As far as the Alphabet soup agencies go, they have the manpower & the tax-payer dollars to throw at you if you piss them off. (If you do, better learn about fuzzers, spoofing, MACChangers and all the other fun stuff out there ;) )  Research, research, research - there are still ways to navigate silently, but that comes down to the user (you) ;)    :)

Quote from: triola on September 26, 2015, 02:13:35 PM
Amen to all the above with the addition that TrueCrypt has been forked to VeraCrypt, which is currently maintained.

Thanks triola

Will definitely check it out.  ;)

Might have to upgrade.

zeebo

Quote from: (Sandman) Logan-5 on September 26, 2015, 05:03:51 AM
First:  Very well said.The Onion Router may have offered some protection at one time, but not anymore...

Good post SL5, thanks for the info, quite interesting. 

Caruthers612


              This is not related to the deep web, I just felt it was time for Schoolhouse Rock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPoBE-E8VOc

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: (Sandman) Logan-5 on September 26, 2015, 05:25:31 AM
One more thing, you might want to look into Truecrypt. Development has stopped, but only because 'da gubment' was about to litigate them out of business. This one is still a bitch to crack - read heavy resources and money.

truecrypt doesn't run on windows 10.  i'm sure it probably doesn't run on windows 8, either.  i'm assuming it's a uefi issue.  windows 7 and truecrypt work very nicely together, though.

i always have a good gut laugh at the idea of using microsoft's bitlocker encryption.  i don't assume it to be secure at all, despite what anyone at microsoft would say.  i just can't believe a company as big as microsoft, with as many government contracts as they have, would produce an encryption product that the government isn't capable of decrypting at will.

wr250

Quote from: MV on September 28, 2015, 07:47:03 PM
truecrypt doesn't run on windows 10.  i'm sure it probably doesn't run on windows 8, either.  i'm assuming it's a uefi issue.  windows 7 and truecrypt work very nicely together, though.

i always have a good gut laugh at the idea of using microsoft's bitlocker encryption.  i don't assume it to be secure at all, despite what anyone at microsoft would say.  i just can't believe a company as big as microsoft, with as many government contracts as they have, would produce an encryption product that the government isn't capable of decrypting at will.
it becomes much easier when your bitlocker key is uploaded to $micro$oft$ servers.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: triola on September 26, 2015, 02:13:35 PM
Amen to all the above with the addition that TrueCrypt has been forked to VeraCrypt, which is currently maintained.

didn't know about veracrypt.  very nice.  thx.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: wr250 on September 28, 2015, 07:56:32 PM
it becomes much easier when your bitlocker key is uploaded to $micro$oft$ servers.

that really does happen, doesn't it?  i thought i heard something about that several months back.

wr250

Quote from: MV on September 28, 2015, 07:59:00 PM
that really does happen, doesn't it?  i thought i heard something about that several months back.
your encryption keys along with other stuff (contacts etc) are uploaded to your  onedrive account. basically the same stuff google and apple do, except it includes the encryption keys.
once a third party has your encryption keys, the encryption is only as useful as you trust that third party.

chefist

Quote from: MV on September 28, 2015, 07:59:00 PM
that really does happen, doesn't it?  i thought i heard something about that several months back.

Welcome back sir!

Quote from: MV on September 28, 2015, 07:47:03 PM
truecrypt doesn't run on windows 10.  i'm sure it probably doesn't run on windows 8, either.  i'm assuming it's a uefi issue.  windows 7 and truecrypt work very nicely together, though.

i always have a good gut laugh at the idea of using microsoft's bitlocker encryption.  i don't assume it to be secure at all, despite what anyone at microsoft would say.  i just can't believe a company as big as microsoft, with as many government contracts as they have, would produce an encryption product that the government isn't capable of decrypting at will.

There have been rumors for years that the major back-doors built into Windows Systems were done so at the specific request of the NSA and the NRO(National Reconnaissance Office - These are the ones no one's heard of and are one of the most dangerous branches in the government - they operate with carte Blanche) complete with the decryption keys. Since Vista, M$ has had that fricken DRM baked into their systems. It causes nothing but problems. BTW - M$ OS's alternate between good & bad. XP - good Vista -bad(fuckin evil incarnate)  7 - good, 8 -bad etc. IMO - XP was the last decent OS M$ produced.

Wintermute

I use various Windows versions most of the time. I have nothing against Linux / UNIX distros... and do use Kali and Mint daily. But, Linux isn't **that** much better than Windows as far as security and privacy. If you have a connected computer that accesses the outside world / WAN / Internet... whatevz... then you are transmitting stuff. I know for a fact that Ubuntu and Mint (pretty much the same now) have RAT access. Bottom line is that all networked OSs have their issues. The key is to mitigate them as much as possible. Win10, Win8.1, Win7... there are all kinds of ways to mask and kill the report-back features. And any OS can be VMed so you can launch a fresh OS every time your online. So there are ways to be covert. But covert does not me invisible or impenetrable.

So, back the the real point; you are looking for a place to speak your mind, but not be tracked or judged. Sorry, you can only mitigate this to an extreme level by running perpetual clean VMs, using Tor + a VPN with randomizers. That's to keep hosts guessing where your real location is. But in the end your ISP and those that control access to the services you desire still know more.

Judged... dude, why do you give a crap about what trolls think? Which goes to a bigger question... why do you need to mask yourself from your opinions? Either you stand by them or you don't. And if you can't say these things to your mom or your wife, should you really be posting it online?

Anonymity is a great thing. I truly believe that it is a human right and that the Internet of things tracking blah blah is going overboard and encroaching on our human rights with "opt-in" legal none-sense. BUT  please remember that you do not own the services you are using. Sh!t, you don't own your cell phone. You are playing within large, corporate constructs all the time. So either you play the game in an upstanding manner, or you find a job and lifestyle that requires a heck of a lot less technology.

Should we be judged by our opinions? Debatable. I happen to think a health dose of anarchy is a good thing from time to time. I also think that people don't really want "freedom" they just want the freedom to live lazy lives. Neither are popular opinion. And heck yes, then I say this kind of stuff at work, I get judged and labeled a specific way. THAT IS REALITY. A man makes his bed. If you really believe in what you say, then the tragedy is hiding.

albrecht

Anonymity? What's that? These days most people WANT to share everything, including the most personal and the most mundane about their lives. It boggles my mind.  Maybe using one-time pads broadcast SW, like numbers stations, might get you some anonymous communications. Or maybe even over civilian bands again using one-time pads and changing your broadcast/reception location and message length short (maybe compressed and encrypted also to sound like noise?)

zeebo

Quote from: albrecht on October 01, 2015, 04:27:53 PM
...Maybe using one-time pads broadcast SW, like numbers stations, might get you some anonymous communications....

Listen for my response on you-know-which frequency.

Quote from: albrecht on October 01, 2015, 04:27:53 PM
Anonymity? What's that? These days most people WANT to share everything, including the most personal and the most mundane about their lives. It boggles my mind.  Maybe using one-time pads broadcast SW, like numbers stations, might get you some anonymous communications. Or maybe even over civilian bands again using one-time pads and changing your broadcast/reception location and message length short (maybe compressed and encrypted also to sound like noise?)
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'Allo!
With you i am yet.
Since all you posters in this thread seem to have tunnel vision,in my opinion..
It might help your brain cell constipation to check out some of the more subtle manifestations.
Many books and et.al exist that cannot be read to-day.
Looking at their source concepts might bear fruit.
One is featured in an novel.
Others,too.
One novel:"The Rule of Four".
Several web sites exist sole-ly to discuss some obscure techniques that were used in the past.
I personally have pondered the Ms.formerly-known-as-Voynich.
Many an would-be genius has lost his/her/it's compos mentis whilst examineing the profuseley drawn'fat broads'of the Ms.
Not to mention,the others of this ilk.
Any-one with an few brain cells to burn can try their theory out against the army of KKranks.
Not to disparage you vis da interwebby ting,but history is rife with obscure techniques.
See the book/movie "The Club [Dumas?]"AKA"9th.Gate".
Over the top with Ol'Polanski.
"B_B"

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