20150728 - Richard Dolan - UFOs - Live Chat Thread

[Robert]

I've seen some crazy stuff up in the sky but I don't "buy into" anything, knowing that we got the technology to put all sorts of crazy stuff up in the sky now...  If I saw some UFO's up there, I'd be like "ooh, look what they can do with drones now!".

It's going to take some serious smoking gun evidence for me to believe humanity is being visited by anything other than humanity.  Though with all the crazy new stuff they're finding up on that comet with Rosetta, and with New Horizons, it's not impossible that this solar system may have created other intelligent life (after all, dolphins exist...) so anything is possible.

That said, I like to hear every fringe voice because sometimes the real truth comes from the fringes.  People were still refining Newton's model of gravity when Einstein was hammering out Relativity.  And it is certainly possible that the universe is FULL of life.  I just tend to believe that life out there is subject to the same Relativistic laws we are, and have to surpass the challenges we face before even having the faintest CHANCE of circumventing C or even creating a far-sighted generational ship.

And sometimes, even a charlatan knows some things.

My POV may seem self-contradictory in parts, but it's not.  It's complicated.  I expect that surprises still await us.

How could you write so many things & have me agree with all of them like this?

I used to think life originated in only 1 place in the universe, and that aware life was so unlikely that it was only the Weak Anthropic Principle that'd brought it about.  (I.e. only 1 data point: the universe where we exist.  Any universes w/o self-aware things wouldn't get observed.)  I later allowed as how it was possible that life spread to other planets, possibly from Earth.

But when the origin of life on Earth was pushed back so that it's had life on it for, like, 80% of its existence rather than the last 20% as thought previously, then I figured the conditions to produce living things must be less far-fetched than I'd thought.  Intelligent life is probably still pretty rare, but not unique as I'd thought previously, and probably has arisen independently in other places.

I still think that if unknown flying things have actually been seen a long time, and that they were physical things that got here from physical space, the space those things came from was on Earth.  I think people have come up with a lot of things that are not generally known, and many of them may have been invented long ago.  Evidence of high technology from the recent or distant past isn't evidence that the know-how came from outer space, but that there's more human ingenuity than people have been given credit for.

I fell asleep halfway thru this MITD; I'm still not a night person by nature.  What woke me up was the telephones ringing a few mins. into Hoagland's program -- hilarious!

[Robert]

Dave will sell anything to people who are worried about it or have a nasty disease... 

Of course, to be fair, Art used to advertise the water-softening magnets.  The guy that owned that company got into trouble with the law.

Interesting, that.  I used to think there was nothing to magnetic water rx.  However, a medical device outfit I worked at in R&D did some testing of magnetic water rx for reprocessing hemodialyzers.  The amount of reuse that was feasible was greater with the magnetically-treated water than with water w/o that rx, by an amount that was statistically significant but not great enough to justify its expense.

[Robert]

I believe that the phenomena is very real. However, the 1950's B Movie "aliens from another planet" explanation just doesn't seem true. When you study this deeply, you find out that people who see UFOs often also have other paranormal experiences such as poltergeist activity in their homes, seeing shadow people, elves, and many other bizarre things. I know that Stanton Friedman is a die-hard nuts & bolts guy who believes this is aliens from another planet. But I tend to support the TRICKSTER theory. This phenomena may originate from Earth itself. Maybe it changes shape with the times. In the Middle Ages, people claimed to see battles over their heads, and angels with wings flying overhead. Now we see disks and triangles.

Yes.  Their interpret'n changes with the culture.  When lighter-than-air craft were the rage, that's what they were.  When heavier-than-air aviation & rocketry came about, they were that.

[Robert]

FINALLY FOUND THAT SONG THEY USE IN THE COMMERCIALS!

Alongside Night by Soleil O'neal-Shulman

That would xlate as "Son of Neal Shulman".  I didn't know Neal had one, but we haven't kept in close touch.

[Robert]

Phones ringing, chair scooting, lip smacking fun!

Then again, Andy Breckman on 7SD used to chew gum on mic all the time, until co-host & stn. mgr. Ken made him stop.  You can even see Andy chewing gum when he sticks his head into the L side of the frame in the Monk-goes-to-NY episode in the 3 card monte street scene.

[Uberscribed..]

So much critisism... give me a mic and a week to prepare for 2 minutes of on air time and you really will see a trainwreck. I can't see how these guys can do it, personally.

one of the best posts in the last three months ... (!!!)
really ~
('been lurking here since the early spring..  ~   stalking Art) 

this ancient new-bee has been around longer then our despised voice of a sleeping-pill, Davenol...

am glad your bout with "anti-socialism" is over (for now), Luna ...

[ this was my first post on BELLGAB, therefore "i" maybe known as a Luna-tick ] 4now ~

[Robert]

I am not impressed by the length of time it takes for the show to be made available in the archives. Hoagland has been done for 24 minutes, Art has been done for two and a half hours.

This seems like an aspect of the process that could be painless and automatic. What am I missing here?

I don't know.  On WFMU some shows seem to be archived almost within secs., while others have taken days.  Usually they include a few mins. of the following show, so that gives you a minimum time they could've taken to archive after closing.

[QuantumMystics]

Yeah, Art really needs to cover the Rise of AI as a topic.

https://youtu.be/_RA_z1aDdiQ

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/books/review/rise-of-the-robots-and-shadow-work.html

Tonight we get ET's that fly all the way across space to cure people of their illnesses....interesting.....

https://youtu.be/rEdSz7Zc_u0?t=1h1m20s

[flimflam384]

https://youtu.be/_RA_z1aDdiQ

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/books/review/rise-of-the-robots-and-shadow-work.html

Tonight we get ET's that fly all the way across space to cure people of their illnesses....interesting.....

https://youtu.be/rEdSz7Zc_u0?t=1h1m20s

That was an interesting piece, QuantumMystics.  Thanks.   

[QuantumMystics]

I've already sent his bio to the show producer and Art, would like to hear a show with him, I was in B&N and picked the book up on a random glance at the science section, cover caught my eye I guess, was well written and interesting the first dozen or so pages, plan to get it, would like to hear Art interview him though!

If you have seen the movie Big Hero 6, this emergence of complex behavior from large groups of dumb robots that swarm....
https://youtu.be/dDsmbwOrHJs

[scottydawg]

Geez Louise, it's like the "Phantom of the Opera" Touring production, just with different actors!
Poor Jimmy Carter with his head in his hands when he was told the truth! Heard that one 10 years Ago!
Ike had "In God we Trust" on the coins and Paper Money to calm us because "Dem lil Green Men are here!"
Old News too, take me back to Windows 3.11 already!
The cover-up after the "OOPS, we told the true story of the Roswell Crash!"
We've heard this shinola before, just from older guests, many who have died off or gone to nursing homes
for the slightly looney. I couldn't believe what I had to do, turn of tonight's live Art, for classic Art from the 90's!
I want to take last night's download and put it on my old Sony Microtape recorder and play it at double speed
so it sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks. Can listen to the whole show in just 50 mins!

[Auslandia]

Seriously... What the hell do you want them to say? Absolutely nothing has changed since then. We have no evidence, no nothing of anything. It's all speculation 100%. So if you have to sit around and talk about something for three hours it's going to be hard to do without bringing up old shit  I just don't see how this has anything to do with Dolan. At least he's not completely making shit up like RCH

It's kind of like the difference between watching law and order on TV and actually going to the police station and hanging out All day. In the real police station the people are not all that hot looking, the computers don't make little beeps when you press the keys, and the decor is pretty boring . That's a good analogy for the true face of ufology. It ain't all that glamorous.

So once you get a real ufologist in there is not completely making things up and going nuts on the air for entertainment, you find that it's not as exciting as you hoped it would be. Anyone who's been on a Skywatch or any other boring endeavor could attest to that myself included

[scottydawg]

Been there, done that, worked for a Sheriff Dept back in the late 80's, early 90's.
Yeah them damn TV shows don't show the mind numbing work that goes into building a case,
and getting all the evidence together. And the fun of barfing your guts out at a murder scene
when a dead body has been rotting for 4 or 5 days in a closed apartment or car.
Really gruesome when they were chopped up by a nutjob with a knife or axe instead of just shot.
Or the absolute hilarity when a jealous wife catches her husband screwing some other broad in their
bed, then she grabs some Super Glue, sneaks up behind them and squirts it on to the copulating naughty parts.
Christ that was hard trying to keep a straight face until the Paramedics arrived!

[Auslandia]

Been there, done that, worked for a Sheriff Dept back in the late 80's, early 90's.
Yeah them damn TV shows don't show the mind numbing work that goes into building a case,
and getting all the evidence together. And the fun of barfing your guts out at a murder scene
when a dead body has been rotting for 4 or 5 days in a closed apartment or car.
Really gruesome when they were chopped up by a nutjob with a knife or axe instead of just shot.
Or the absolute hilarity when a jealous wife catches her husband screwing some other broad in their
bed, then she grabs some Super Glue, sneaks up behind them and squirts it on to the copulating naughty parts.
Christ that was hard trying to keep a straight face until the Paramedics arrived!

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Lol damn

[ZomZom]

Just listened to the archive.  I was willing to give Dolan the benefit of the doubt on the alien slides.  It just doesn't make sense that they'd knowingly leave the placard with the incriminating evidence in the image.  Unless, of course, they're just stupid.

The slander of the American military, the US IC and banking was another thing.  It's tired and inconsistent with my worldview, but I did continue to listen in case there was any redeemable material to follow.  There wasn't.

[Mastodonkey]

I've always enjoyed Dolan. This was my favorite show since the Hancock show.

[paladin1991]

Did people forget how much of Desert Storm coverage CNN outright forged and how the mainstream media continually gets popped for faking news?

Nah.  I was a little busy at the moment.  Decontaminating my team and its vehicle for 'Dusty Mustard.'

[paladin1991]

anyone read the book 2312?

I'll read it when I get there.  I'm a friggin' Time Traveler.

[The Coincidence Kid]

I had no opinion about this guy until just now when I was listening and heard he's responsible for that death bed confession youtube thing. That video has bullshit written all over it in magic marker.

[Darkdowndeep]

Who was the original guest scheduled? ? ?

[Lilith]

I enjoyed all the callers, I always do !

I enjoyed listening to the subject matter, controversy and all.

[Royal615]

Hello from NYC beautiful REAL PEOPLE of planet earth. I am new hear but have been listening to art over 30 years.

[Royal615]

Yes its showtime!!

[henge0stone]

I'm finally getting around to these older MITD shows. This was a good one. I liked how he found documents mentioning about UFOs way back in the 50s and shot down some stupid old topics like predictions, Sitchen and the Roswell slides.

[FightTheFuture]

I'm finally getting around to these older MITD shows. This was a good one. I liked how he found documents mentioning about UFOs way back in the 50s and shot down some stupid old topics like predictions, Sitchen and the Roswell slides.

I never miss a Dick Dolan show. He knows his stuff.