Topic: The Border is Secure

[VtaGeezer]

Right. And we all know how forthcoming and transparent the Obama administration is, right? Come on.

The only reason you never hear about this is because the other networks refuse to address the problem. It's not a popular topic of conversation on the official Obama propaganda networks (essentially, all of them, with the exception of Fox News).

Thankfully, there are few good local news  outlets doing the legwork necessary to uncover the truth. None-the-less, I feel confident you'll have no problem at all with accusing everyone in this report of lying, distorting and misleading the public. I honestly wish I could be that naive. Life would be so much less complicated.

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/watch-muslim-terrorists-crossing-usmexican-border-leave-their-prayer-rug-behind

When someone asks for basic evidence on a simple matter, cry "Obama cover-up!!".  Where are these ISIS fighters being held?  Who caught them?  Where's the paperwork?  The lame TV news link was posted to Youtube in 2010!  Hunter Jr learned well from the old man; you're eating from his hand too.

[albrecht]

When someone asks for basic evidence on a simple matter, cry "Obama cover-up!!".  Where are these ISIS fighters being held?  Who caught them?  Where's the paperwork?  The lame TV news link was posted to Youtube in 2010!  Hunter Jr learned well from the old man; you're eating from his hand too.

Well, GITMO (you recall the place Obama was going to close) still exist, the various parts of the NDAA/Patriot Acts (the ones Obama complained about) have been expanded, Federal SMU (Special Management Units) exist, Super-Max prisons exist, and National Security Letters still exist and are presumably used (we wouldn't know, of course.) So it could be they are in a "blackhole?" I'm not saying they crossed but we might never know, unless they attack.

How would we ever know? Think this guy Obama would admit it-  it would embarrass him to his Muslim and Hollywood supporters. Think they could get a lawyer? Think the terrorist's families got a nice note: "your son is currently being held in a black site in Poland and is undergoing interrogation. Your ACLU lawyer will be in contact with you forthwith?"

Sure Obama will free illegals, even criminal ones, but I doubt he is that stupid to free, or even inform the public, if they caught terrorists. It would hurt politically and embarrass him to his base constituencies.

[VtaGeezer]

How would we ever know? Think this guy Obama would admit it-  it would embarrass him to his Muslim and Hollywood supporters.
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Even if your screwy obsessions about Imam Obama were true, someone at DHS/BP/ICE would leak the story in a heartbeat if any ISIS/AQ/Generic Islamist were captured in TX.  You ignore the fact that all the loony right "evidence" for this claim predates ISIS existence.

[albrecht]

Even if your screwy obsessions about Imam Obama were true, someone at DHS/BP/ICE would leak the story in a heartbeat if any ISIS/AQ/Generic Islamist were captured in TX.  You ignore the fact that all the loony right "evidence" for this claim predates ISIS existence.

Correct, ISIS/ISIL/SI, the current Islamic radicals emboldened and supported initially by Obama and McCain are not the only Islamic radical group, or terrorists. Unless you believe previous terroristic acts were done by  "weird energy weapons by Cheney" some other non-sense Islamic immigrants, some of whom were illegal, have committed terrorist acts. The Obama administration itself says that there are thousands of student visa Muslims that are unaccounted for and over-stay.

But, again, you ignore my point. Even if not a single Islamic radical, ISIS member, or even Muslim comes across our open-border how many murders, rapes, child abductions, fatal DUI accidents, diseases, and $$$ for education, healthcare, and imprisonment of the illegals (and their brood) is it worth? Simply to get some more future voters for a certain party, to help Balkanize the country, or to get some cheaper labor?

[GeorgieForPresident2216]

But, again, you ignore my point. Even if not a single Islamic radical, ISIS member, or even Muslim comes across our open-border how many murders, rapes, child abductions, fatal DUI accidents, diseases, and $$$ for education, healthcare, and imprisonment of the illegals (and their brood) is it worth? Simply to get some more future voters for a certain party, to help Balkanize the country, or to get some cheaper labor?

But I don't see any evidence for these assertions.  I do think immigrants are important for the sustained prosperity of America and I'm not closed to the possibility that governments are allowing this to happen through the back door rather than to try and get public support for immigration reform.  But what about this 2012 article that claims the net migration from Mexico has dropped to zero?

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/

[VtaGeezer]

Correct, ISIS/ISIL/SI, the current Islamic radicals emboldened and supported initially by Obama and McCain are not the only Islamic radical group, or terrorists. Unless you believe previous terroristic acts were done by  "weird energy weapons by Cheney" some other non-sense Islamic immigrants, some of whom were illegal, have committed terrorist acts. The Obama administration itself says that there are thousands of student visa Muslims that are unaccounted for and over-stay.

But, again, you ignore my point. Even if not a single Islamic radical, ISIS member, or even Muslim comes across our open-border how many murders, rapes, child abductions, fatal DUI accidents, diseases, and $$$ for education, healthcare, and imprisonment of the illegals (and their brood) is it worth? Simply to get some more future voters for a certain party, to help Balkanize the country, or to get some cheaper labor?

Your point is irrelevant to the posts about the claim of 10+ ISIS fighters caught in TX.  Your obsession with murderous Mexicans is noted...daily.

[albrecht]

But I don't see any evidence for these assertions.  I do think immigrants are important for the sustained prosperity of America and I'm not closed to the possibility that governments are allowing this to happen through the back door rather than to try and get public support for immigration reform.  But what about this 2012 article that claims the net migration from Mexico has dropped to zero?

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/

There is nothing wrong with immigration. But no country, with sanity, just has an open-border or simply takes anyone. Is that even a country at that point? But especially in times of war, economy recession or uncertainty, and when our social systems are already strained. The importation of more uneducated, criminal, or diseased poor people is not in our interests-- or in legitimate immigrants' interest for those in countries who simply can't walk across the border.

That study, if true, ignores that many,many of the recent illegals are OTMs. (Interestingly Mexicans here often hate the Guatemalans, Hondurans, etc. and even call them mojados. What is hilarious is that even illegal Mexicans (or those just descended from them) use the term for the Central Americans- just as the native Hispanics here used to use the term on them!)

I personally don't like Foundations**, particularly ones funded by super-rich folks as a way to avoid various taxes, provide jobs to family members, allow tax-free junkets and fundraisers or when they have a political bent-- too much like politicians. But to throw some Pew at you:
http://www.pewhispanic.org/2009/02/18/a-rising-share-hispanics-and-federal-crime/

**-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_to_Investigate_Tax-Exempt_Foundations_and_Comparable_Organizations

 

[PB the Deplorable]

... what about this 2012 article that claims the net migration from Mexico has dropped to zero?

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/23/net-migration-from-mexico-falls-to-zero-and-perhaps-less/

Yes, for an instant in time Barry's economy was so awful even poor Latin Americans stopped coming. 

I think the Dem's panicked and upped the volume about granting amnesty, having 'a pen and a phone' (indicating he would simply dictatorially decree legislation on immigration and other issues), and put the word out for 'thuh children' to come (unless it was a coincidence all of a sudden 10s of thousands of children and young adults claiming to be children just showed up.

[albrecht]

Since I am often accused of being anti-Latino here is some good news about our illegals of the Oriental persuasion. Of course, this is nothing new. A century ago we had gang wars and crime with the Chinese Tongs and more recently with the Triads and organized crime. Once again it shows how an open-border and failed immigration policy contributes so much to our society. Keep those illegals coming doing jobs Americans won't do.
http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Evidence-technicians-return-to-seen-of-4-killings-5813957.php

[b_dubb]

I worked in an office next to an adoption agency. One day on my way to lunch I saw a woman walk from the adoption agency to the backdoor of the Chinese restaraunt in the shopping plaza next to the office building. That always bugged me. Was she making a delivery? Who knows.

[albrecht]

So even the narco-state of Mexico cares about its border and doesn't want potentially diseased people entering. On the same day Obama's minions at the DHS announced they are "fast-tracking" Haitian immigrants and granting special status to more illegals from Honduras and Guatemala and allowing them to work. Meanwhile, of course, our border is still wide open.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/17/cruise-ship-carrying-texas-ebola-nurse-refused-entry-in-belize/
"The cruise ship carrying a Texas health-care worker who “may have” handled lab specimens from Dallas Ebola victim Thomas Eric Duncan is headed back to the United States after Mexican authorities failed to grant permission for the ship to dock off the coast of Cozumel, according to a Carnival spokeswoman."

[albrecht]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/22/immigration-detainees-released-criminal-records/17714925/

But hopefully these illegals will vote!

[albrecht]

Two more deputies and Americans killed by Obama's precious illegals.
http://news.yahoo.com/suspect-2-deputy-deaths-captured-manhunt-075521044.html
"SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A man suspected of killing two deputies during a shooting rampage in Northern California was deported twice to Mexico and had a drug conviction, federal authorities said Saturday."

[albrecht]

Obama has decided that definition of "mother" will include "gestational mothers" and that the child can become a US citizen. The change means that a woman who is a U.S. citizen can be hired by a reproductive medical clinic to become pregnant overseas and to give birth in another country, even say North Korea or ISIS controlled Iraq, or any other country, and they baby can get a US Passport. Once that is done the family or mother can start petition and try to move here. Or the child can do so once he is grown and raised.


http://www.uscis.gov/news/uscis-expands-definition-mother-and-parent-include-gestational-mothers-using-assisted-reproductive-technology-art

[albrecht]

After Obama's, and his Party's, resounding defeat NPR "On Point" this morning just mentioned news that others have reported week's ago (good for breaking news NPR!) when talking about Obama's plan for yet another Executive Action on millions of illegals. That being that the government solicitation for a bid for millions of green-cards and worker permits for illegals.
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=20bc202b0a49bbe9f2a705782dba0090&tab=core&tabmode=list&=

For what its worth (since polls are questionable and I don't know the methodology or the polling company):
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/11/06/Midterm-Exit-Polls-75-Reject-Exec-Amnesty-80-Don-t-Want-Foreign-Workers-Taking-Jobs-from-Americans

[albrecht]

The latest pre-ExecutiveOrder Amnesty policy by the administration is to try to disarm the few Border Patrol agents by using bureaucratic rules. Very similar to their tactic of forcing excessive paperwork on them in hopes that less agents patrolling will allow more illegals to swarm across the open border.
http://www.kvoa.com/news/n4t-investigators-border-patrol-taking-agents-rifles/

[albrecht]

More blood on Obama's hands. This time a 3 year old and, worse, of Hispanic ethnicity (the government and Obama doesn't mind so much if it is "whitey" who is the victim of an illegal's crime.)
http://www.fresnobee.com/2014/11/10/4228179_chp-driver-in-hit-and-run-death.html?rh=1
I hope this guy will be granted amnesty or, at least, become a "Dreamer" because, clearly, his drunk driving crimes are due to racism, capitalism, inherent social exploitation in a capitalist culture supported by Western cultural hegemony. He didn't move (even if drunk) the border did and caused him to run over a girl and flee! Viva! Si Se Puede! (which, interestingly, Obama stole as his slogan and translated it into English.)

[b_dubb]

albrecht has gone full Mr Fidget on us

[albrecht]

Coming to a neighborhood near you!
http://www.krgv.com/news/local-news/Border-Patrol-Increase-in-Sex-Offenders-Crossing-the-Border/31790518
"RIO GRANDE VALLEY -
The Border Patrol is reporting a severe spike in sex offenders sneaking into the U.S.
According to the feds, illegal immigrant sex offenders have been caught in every corner of the Rio Grande Valley."

One could assume that many more aren't caught due to the open-border policy and many more are released under the Obama "catch and release" doctrine.

[NowhereInTime]

Coming to a neighborhood near you!
http://www.krgv.com/news/local-news/Border-Patrol-Increase-in-Sex-Offenders-Crossing-the-Border/31790518
"RIO GRANDE VALLEY -
The Border Patrol is reporting a severe spike in sex offenders sneaking into the U.S.
According to the feds, illegal immigrant sex offenders have been caught in every corner of the Rio Grande Valley."

One could assume that many more aren't caught due to the open-border policy and many more are released under the Obama "catch and release" doctrine.

Sure, if one were to use a race based methodology to extrapolate a conclusion that serves a narrative...

[albrecht]

Sure, if one were to use a race based methodology to extrapolate a conclusion that serves a narrative...

The Obama Doctrine of open-borders, "dreamers", and catch-and-release is not racial. People of all races can cross the border; no matter how criminal, how diseased, or how uneducated. (By the way, Hispanic people are also not a "race" but can be from any race, or mixture thereof.)

More good news coming to a neighborhood near you:
http://www.krgv.com/news/news-in-brief/Border-Patrol-Rise-in-Gang-Member-Arrests/31846268
Assuming that most illegals are not caught we can surmise than many gang members are successfully using the Obama Doctrine to enter our country.
http://www.krgv.com/news/local-news/authorities-id-decapitated-body-found-off-of-spi/31845006
Awesome! The illegals are bringing their beheadings to the USA! Si Se Puede!

[PB the Deplorable]

Coming to a neighborhood near you!...

The Border Patrol is reporting a severe spike in sex offenders sneaking into the U.S...

It's all good, criminals vote Democrat at a higher rate than any other demographic.

Party First!

[Gd5150]

When you fly on a billionaires private jet or sit in the Oval Office being a sex offender is "personal business". Hillary isn't the only Clinton who's made use of a "personal server".

[albrecht]

Catch-and-Release should apply to certain types of fish- not for criminals. But under the Obama Doctrine: "Overall, ICE released 30,558 criminal aliens in fiscal 2014, which is down from the 36,007 criminals released a year before." Interestingly, it is also the Court system that approves this suicide-pact because if the illegal's home country won't take them back we are required to release them. And most countries are sane and don't want to take rapists and other criminals back.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/18/dhs-released-another-30000-criminal-aliens-streets/
Considering that many illegals are not even caught in the first place it is how many violent criminals, in addition to the diseased or just illegals, have crossed the open-border.

[albrecht]

More convicted criminals released with actual documents obtained by FOIA request showing the Obama Doctrine at work. Simply because they are illegals they are released into the population- with full knowledge of their other criminal convictions (rape, homicide, assault, etc.)
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-documents-show-homeland-security-released-165900-convicted-criminal-aliens-throughout-u-s-as-of-april-26-2014/

He doesn't care because his daughters and family are safely ensconced behind armed security guards in gated facilities. But the rest of us can deal with the KNOWN rapists, drunk drivers, murders, etc released under the Obama Doctrine (not to mention the ones never caught simply walking across the open-border.)

I wonder if this character Obama would change his mind if the "undocumented youths," with criminal history like rape, were allowed to attend his girl's school? But, no, being such a strong supporter of public education and ensuring that any illegal child must be able to attend a public school, he sends his daughters to an elite, private school run by Quakers.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/document-archive/ice-release-foia-ero-page-55/

[albrecht]

Alleged ISIS camps in Mexico?
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/04/isis-camp-a-few-miles-from-texas-mexican-authorities-confirm/
"According to the statistics, the aliens released by ICE had amassed 13,636 convictions for driving under the influence, 1,589 weapons offenses, 994 aggravated assaults, 56 arsons and 31 smuggling offenses."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/14/feds-releasing-illegal-immigrant-rapists-murderers/#ixzz3XJ5oxtcy

[albrecht]

http://www.dps.texas.gov/director_staff/media_and_communications/2015/pr20150413.htm\
Using cameras normally used for wildlife captures images of the precious illegals smuggling people, drugs, and arms across the open-border. Luckily some people were caught and arrested- though in keeping with the Obama Doctrine many of them likely have been released and shipped to your town or city.

[albrecht]

Although 1965 was the beginning of the end of the country these last few years have really accelerated the ruin "fundamental transformation" and will ensure, at least for a while, elections going a certain way.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/census-record-51-million-immigrants-in-8-years-will-account-for-82-of-u.s.-growth/article/2563463

[albrecht]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/11/undocumented-migrants-detention-held-texas-pennsylvania
Ship them back to their country of origin and end the "humanitarian crisis." But since we lack the political will to protect the country or enforce our laws we should take a % of any funds, humanitarian aid, military assistance, or loans going to their countries of origin and use that money to build new holding detention facilities for them. Give their countries a reason to stop promoting/allowing their ilk to come here illegally or to allow transit of illegals to travel through their countries to get here.

[albrecht]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/21/grassley-whistleblowers-say-dhs-failed-to-revoke-exec-amnesty-from-alleged-child-molesting-camp-counselor/
I'm surprised this is even making news. Criminals, even rapists, are released all the time under the Obama Doctrine and nobody knows how many other criminal or diseased aren't ever caught since they can just simply walk across due to the open-border policy.