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Canadian ISP and the NSA

Started by WOTR, September 08, 2013, 02:26:08 AM

WOTR

I finally got around to running the command tracert to see where my traffic is routed.  I had assumed that any american website that I connected to would pass through the NSA's collection banks and really did not care.  I am a little surprised (and disappointed) to find that EVERYTHING I do is routed through Los Angeles, Virginia or Texas.  I wanted to contact my government in Canada and even that address is routed through the US.

This is mostly a rant thread as I am a little pissed (copy that NSA? I am now officially upset.) and will be switching to Teksavy or Distributel next week.  Apparently, they take steps to not route traffic through the US rather than send every F***ing thing I do directly to the American government.  I did not send in my census last year and officially committed a criminal act specifically because my government outsourced processing to Lockheed Martin.  I will not deal with an ISP that chooses to route every last keystroke through the US either

I am under no illusions.  I know that the NSA gets most of what I do on the net.  I know that the Canadian government undoubtedly collects all the information they can and probably willing swaps it with other countries.  I just am a little ticked that if I file my taxes online (which I have not) that my ISP will charge me for the privilege of disclosing it to foreign entities on the way to Ottawa.

Hell, I have taken to occasionally firing up TOR and using encryption just for fun.  Lovely new world I live in.

***Edit: I wonder if this post will lead to a full cavity search next time I travel across our boarder.  A quick little red flag from the NSA to punish me for being difficult?


WOTR

That is actually a very fitting clip.  I had also heard a joke about a NSA agent whose pickup line at the bar is "I know where you have been all of my life."

Quote from: WOTR on September 08, 2013, 02:26:08 AM
I finally got around to running the command tracert to see where my traffic is routed.  I had assumed that any american website that I connected to would pass through the NSA's collection banks and really did not care.  I am a little surprised (and disappointed) to find that EVERYTHING I do is routed through Los Angeles, Virginia or Texas.  I wanted to contact my government in Canada and even that address is routed through the US.

This is mostly a rant thread as I am a little pissed (copy that NSA? I am now officially upset.) and will be switching to Teksavy or Distributel next week.  Apparently, they take steps to not route traffic through the US rather than send every F***ing thing I do directly to the American government.  I did not send in my census last year and officially committed a criminal act specifically because my government outsourced processing to Lockheed Martin.  I will not deal with an ISP that chooses to route every last keystroke through the US either

I am under no illusions.  I know that the NSA gets most of what I do on the net.  I know that the Canadian government undoubtedly collects all the information they can and probably willing swaps it with other countries. I just am a little ticked that if I file my taxes online (which I have not) that my ISP will charge me for the privilege of disclosing it to foreign entities on the way to Ottawa.

Hell, I have taken to occasionally firing up TOR and using encryption just for fun.  Lovely new world I live in.

***Edit: I wonder if this post will lead to a full cavity search next time I travel across our boarder.  A quick little red flag from the NSA to punish me for being difficult?
Back in 2008 I found out that the US allows Canada to monitor American traffic, and Canada allows the US to monitor its traffic. They then give this information to each other through trade agreements. This is how each country gets around the laws that keep them from spying on their own citizens.
Dirty Bastards eh ?  >:(

paladin1991

Quote from: WOTR on September 08, 2013, 02:26:08 AM
I finally got around to running the command tracert to see where my traffic is routed.  I had assumed that any american website that I connected to would pass through the NSA's collection banks and really did not care.  I am a little surprised (and disappointed) to find that EVERYTHING I do is routed through Los Angeles, Virginia or Texas.  I wanted to contact my government in Canada and even that address is routed through the US.

This is mostly a rant thread as I am a little pissed (copy that NSA? I am now officially upset.) and will be switching to Teksavy or Distributel next week. 

Uh oh.  Now we're screwed.  WOTR is pissed.  Alert Homeland Security.

Hog

My cousins roomate once made a veiled threat against President Bush(jr) from a PC in their shared residence on campus. No one knew that this room mate had done anything until there were guys in trench coats with earbuds swarming into their apartment. This was on a Canadian University campus. The trench coat guys were accompanied by the Dean and my cousin was shitting his pants.  These agents were with CSIS, the equivalent of the US NSA and CIA.  They searched the apartment, and they went into the idiot room mates room and saw this big assed poster of an AK-47 wihe roomie.th some idiot rebel slogan on it.   The guy admitted to it and was taken away along with his laptop and his desktop server.  Apparently they had been surveilling the apartment for a short while and they contacted the school officials first before making contact with my cousin and the roomate.
So yes, there is plenty of cross border dealings.

I never did hear what happened to the roomate.

The USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Unied Kingondom all have a"net| of cross border relations involving Intelligence, called FIVE EYES. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement

peace
Hog

albrecht

Quote from: (Sandman) Logan-5 on August 23, 2016, 11:25:06 PM
Back in 2008 I found out that the US allows Canada to monitor American traffic, and Canada allows the US to monitor its traffic. They then give this information to each other through trade agreements. This is how each country gets around the laws that keep them from spying on their own citizens.
Dirty Bastards eh ?  >:(
I think the US/UK (and likely others) have been doing this for many decades in ECHELON. Just that the new electronic and lesser cost for computing and storage makes it easier and the reach of the spying has expanded. But the idea of 'ill spy on your citizens and you spy on mine and we'll let each other know' idea has been around a long time. (Though now due to the various new laws I don't think the governments even need to use this pretext and just spy/intercept on their citizens directly.)

ksm32

Quote from: albrecht on August 27, 2016, 02:28:04 PM
I think the US/UK (and likely others) have been doing this for many decades in ECHELON. Just that the new electronic and lesser cost for computing and storage makes it easier and the reach of the spying has expanded. But the idea of 'ill spy on your citizens and you spy on mine and we'll let each other know' idea has been around a long time. (Though now due to the various new laws I don't think the governments even need to use this pretext and just spy/intercept on their citizens directly.)

Let me ask you, at the end of the day, todays populous is nowhere near the moral fabric of generations past. Agreed? Hazzard me a guess on what you think they are finding, Youporn searches?

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