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[Zircon]

OK, here is something worth mentioning … http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012.....-for-info/

This seems to be a trend that is escalating. There is a man in Alabama who was beaten with bats, bricks etc. by over 20 blacks. One parting comment was something like, "this is for Treyvon". They've arrested ONE person. Contemplating "hate crime". Mind you they are "contemplating" a hate crime. Lets see, 20 blacks on one white guy on his own front porch. Apparently the verdict might still be out as to whether or not this white guy challenged all 20 of them to a rumble.

Two Brits killed in Miami even after pleading for their lives once robbed. A guy in Baltimore beaten and stripped. A woman a couple of days ago who chided a car load of blacks for speeding through her neighborhood. Shot dead in the street. How many vacationers are finding this type of welcoming committee? Now this. In all cases we have (mobs of) blacks beating and/or killing whites.

And we wonder why we have racial profiling?

Now we’re talking about our society rotting from the inside out. I think these are examples of that. Any of it make it onto major media? Nope. Did this story about the 22 year old man (link provided) make it to the 6PM talk heads TV news? Nope.

The progressive liberals that include not only our Democratic socialistic communist Marxist party but the Republicans are always talking about what whites do to blacks but never the reverse. I think the elite have even less regard for blacks than the Ayrian Nations and KKK. They are increasingly appearing to regard them as just a horde of wild animals. They hope continued “gimme” programs and government checks will placate them like a bowl full of bananas and their own trees to swing and scream from. This is what the elite think.

This may seem harsh but I think people need to arm. When they encounter one of these bastards who wants to swagger and act ultra-urban-ghetto on them, then shoot the rabid fucker right between the eyes.

[Zircon]

I've noticed how I seem to have been boycotted in this forum. Not a problem. Much of what I post on - to include this particular thread - will almost certainly necessitate a cautious response if you agree with me in any capacity.

If it is to call me names - well, that is another story. If that is the initial response then I can expect a lot of "fuck you", "racist", "ass hole" etc. etc. responses. I can live with whatever you respond with in the negative. I didn't create these events but am providing rather blatantly honest comments on them.

[ziznak]

A drop in the bucket my friend... that link was broken by the time I clicked it. 
Anyway's I found this to chear you up!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/race-wars-part-1-the-shocking-data-on-black-on-black-crime/


Bad Brains - youth are getting restless

[Zircon]

Yes, it is "staggering" as they say. So is it your opinion that black on white crime is disproportionately mentioned? I think there is probably as much, if not more, white on black crime (a drop in the bucket vs. black on white) that receives national forum. The types I reported are only seen on those "right wing" and "righteous" outlets. When ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC treat this stuff without bias then we'll all be better informed. Where is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to protest these violent situations within their own community? You only see them when a black is involved with a non-black.

[MV/Liberace!]

I've noticed how I seem to have been boycotted in this forum. Not a problem.

what is it that gives you this impression?

[ziznak]

Yes, it is "staggering" as they say. So is it your opinion that black on white crime is disproportionately mentioned? I think there is probably as much, if not more, white on black crime (a drop in the bucket vs. black on white) that receives national forum. The types I reported are only seen on those "right wing" and "righteous" outlets. When ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC treat this stuff without bias then we'll all be better informed. Where is Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to protest these violent situations within their own community? You only see them when a black is involved with a non-black.

I was just pointing out that overall statistically it's mostly blacks being murdered.  To go even further than that you can drop the race label and say it's mostly poor people being murdered.  It's more a class/economic thing than anything else.  Jesse Jackson and Assfuck Sharpton aren't allowed to talk about the shortcomings of their own race because it's against the rules.

[HAL 9000]

A drop in the bucket my friend... that link was broken by the time I clicked it.

It's not that the link is broken - the link is illegitimate... it is malformed. It is only partial:

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http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012.....-for-info/



I'm quite certain the following is the link Zircon meant to post:

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/07/07/attackers-beat-man-family-begs-for-info/

[Zircon]

what is it that gives you this impression?

I had been posting and receiving responses. Then nothing so I just stopped. After my head-butting with EvP things kind of went south. It culd be that I am posting on things people aren't really all that interested in discussing?

[Zircon]

I was just pointing out that overall statistically it's mostly blacks being murdered.  To go even further than that you can drop the race label and say it's mostly poor people being murdered.  It's more a class/economic thing than anything else.  Jesse Jackson and Assfuck Sharpton aren't allowed to talk about the shortcomings of their own race because it's against the rules.

I think poor people being murdered is probably accurate. It is really sad this is occurring. People like Jackson and Sharpton need to go into those communities and offer words of encouragement and hope. I mean they are both Christian reverends (supposedly) and are supposed to be concerned with the state of one's soul. I guess religion and the black community has become more "social justice". Still trying to figure out why it is they can't see and work on their own shortcomings? Social justice is "you gimme 'cause you owe me". Really? And who the fuck are you? What have I done to you (don't even know the person) and what the fuck have you ever done for yourself?

[Juan]

In the fall of 1970, just out of the Army, I moved to Atlanta to continue my college studies.  The Urban Live School at Georgia State University had just done a study showing nearly 90% of crime in the City of Atlanta was black on black.  That's when Atlanta was more or less 50-50 in population.

I continue to hear of studies showing that most perpetrators of crimes against black people are other black people.  I think it's been a very serious problem that we've been afraid, or unwilling, to talk about the subject - and do something.

It's almost as though folks think black people are not capable of behaving better - a view, in my mind, that's racist in itself.

[Zircon]

In the fall of 1970, just out of the Army, I moved to Atlanta to continue my college studies.

Did you join or where you drafted? I was in the Navy from 1968 through 1978.

The Urban Live School at Georgia State University had just done a study showing nearly 90% of crime in the City of Atlanta was black on black.  That's when Atlanta was more or less 50-50 in population.

They've cut themselves down for a long time. No wonder there are so few within their community that stand up. Apparently "standing up" is a good way to get "laid out".

I continue to hear of studies showing that most perpetrators of crimes against black people are other black people.  I think it's been a very serious problem that we've been afraid, or unwilling, to talk about the subject - and do something.

I agree that it is a problem within their community. That we (whites) are unwilling to talk about it is because we will be identifying a problem within the black community and not being black will be tagged as noticing and identifying a "difference" and hence be labeled racist for noticing and commenting on it. White are afraid to acknowledge anything outside of their own racial community.

It's almost as though folks think black people are not capable of behaving better - a view, in my mind, that's racist in itself.

To become aware and comment on this phenomenon within their community ... I mentioned above ... would be viewed as racist so opinions are kept to oneself.

[MV/Liberace!]

I had been posting and receiving responses. Then nothing so I just stopped. After my head-butting with EvP things kind of went south. It culd be that I am posting on things people aren't really all that interested in discussing?

my advice:  say and do what you want and don't give a shit about what anyone else thinks.

[guildnavigator]

Hey Zircon, I am assuming that you live in the US, but what state/area? Just curious. I know that you have cited stories involving different individuals from around the country, I'm not asking "where did all of this happen," but I am curious as to where you are from.






I lived/worked in East Oakland, California for four years. You would have hated it, I had to leave. Just last night (sunday) five people were shot waiting for movie tickets around the corner from my former place.




Saturday there were four homicides in oakland. To kick the night off, the cops were shooting at a man in a car who drove up on the sidewalk trying to run down a pedestrian. The guy hit a parked cop car instead (duh).


Then, 25 minutes later, cops responded to reports that a 70 year old guy shot a 67 year old guy to death in the street around the corner.


Then, about an hour after that, Oakland police found an 18 year old from richmond dead in the streets, gunshot wounds, 1600 block of 11th street, which is around the corner the OTHER way from the movie theater. Cops don't have a suspect but got a vehicle description.


Then, at 11:00 pm there was a murder at a residence, suspect at large.

Sunday the 5 people were shot waiting for tickets at the theater.

I forgot what my point was if I had one.  

[Oversoul]

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I lived/worked in East Oakland, California for four years. You would have hated it, I had to leave. . . .

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I forgot what my point was if I had one. [/size][/font][/color]

That part of Oakland is and has been a problem for years, for its peace and order situation.  Coming from a longtime S.F. Bay Area resident, too, who's learned to avoid living in that area for its lack of a good and safe neighborhood reputation.   

[PB the Deplorable]

I think poor people being murdered is probably accurate. It is really sad this is occurring. People like Jackson and Sharpton need to go into those communities and offer words of encouragement and hope. I mean they are both Christian reverends (supposedly) and are supposed to be concerned with the state of one's soul. I guess religion and the black community has become more "social justice". Still trying to figure out why it is they can't see and work on their own shortcomings? Social justice is "you gimme 'cause you owe me". Really? And who the fuck are you? What have I done to you (don't even know the person) and what the fuck have you ever done for yourself?

I think a big part of this is 50 years of the Libs accusing everyone that doesn't agree with them on whatever the topic of the day is of 'racism'.  Against higher taxes?  Racist.  Against more wasteful programs that won't solve the problems they claim to?  Racist.  Want to cut the budget or balance it?  Racist.  Against abortion?  Racist.  For the death penalty and stronger crime measures?  Racist.  Want to do this or not do that?  It hurts the black community 'disporportionally' and therefore racist. 

Too many in the community have decided being educated is 'acting white'.  Someone tries to better themselves, and the community calls them an 'Uncle Tom'.  None of this is ever contradicted.  People then wonder why illiteracy, unemployment, and poverty are so high. 

The founding fathers inherited a nation with legal slavery.  The economy was dependent on it in some industries.  Since they didn't drop everything and end it immediately, we will be accused of being 'founded on slavery' forever by the Left.  Just to score political points.  Added bonus, it's also a way to delegitimize the Constitution and the Founding.


Think about the yong black kids growing up and hearing this stuff constantly.  Do they ever hear alternate messages, like the ones about this being the land of opportunity or the one about being free to pursue anything desirable in life?  Are they ever pointed towards the roads leading out of poverty?  By Jesse Jackson, or anyone else?  No.  Ask yourself why not. 

The Libs and the Left in this country have a lot to answer for, constantly telling these kids they have no chance.  And for what - to make political points they couldn't convince people of any other way.

[PB the Deplorable]

By the way, pay attention on election day and the days following.  When Obama is defeated, the inner cities and anywhere polluted by 'Occupy' are going to be best avoided.  Try to avoid downtown office areas, public transportation, parks, freeways, anywhere else these idiots may be roaming. 

Just a thought.

[Zircon]

Hey Zircon, I am assuming that you live in the US, but what state/area? Just curious. I know that you have cited stories involving different individuals from around the country, I'm not asking "where did all of this happen," but I am curious as to where you are from.....

Well Navigator ... I was born in Lexington, Massachusetts - as a post-WWII "baby boomer". Father was a mechanical engineer and a native himself.

Somehow I grew up in Oklahoma and Kansas. Moved to San Francisco in 1967 (yep, the "Summer of Love") but being a transplanted "Okie" didn't get involved in it. Went to school for a bit (college) as it was free back then. Just get admitted, buy the books and sign up. Wound up joining the Navy during the Vietnam War. Did a tour. Did four active and six in USNR. Got my BS degrees in Math and a second in Physics at the University of Oklahoma in Norman. Got a job as a programmer analyst in Tulsa as my wife was seven months pregnant and I needed to start making some real money.

Wound up spending over 20 years in Seattle (1980s-1990s and into late 2001) during its heyday. Worked at several places to include Microsoft (you know), Boeing (aviation), Immunex (biotech) and in cellular communications (Air Touch/Verizon) and got a MS in Applied Mathematics at the University of Washington in 1988 while doing this. Was a systems analyst, software developer and database administrator during my career. The crash of 2000/2001 forced a glut of high tech professionals and being an older, conservative, straight guy I was unable to survive the three year glut so left and came back to Oklahoma.

Wife and I have three children and three grandchildren. I'm retired and thinking about working at a bookstore. My wife is an RN after a career change ten years ago from commercial art into something that paid more and was more stable.

Sorry for such a detailed response but I figured the best way to tell you who I am is to actually tell you who I am and what I've done and where I've been.

I am shocked that so much crap went on during that single day in Oakland. That place must be one crazy hell hole. Why do you stay or is it that you are a native of the Bay Area? I loved the place and went down there for a few professional gatherings. If you can afford it it is nice. If you can't it can be a nightmare I'm sure. But you're on the opposite side of the bay where life is probably 180 degrees different than in San Francisco itself?







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[Zircon]

By the way, pay attention on election day and the days following.  When Obama is defeated, the inner cities and anywhere polluted by 'Occupy' are going to be best avoided.  Try to avoid downtown office areas, public transportation, parks, freeways, anywhere else these idiots may be roaming. 

Just a thought.

I definitely agree with you. Living here in Oklahoma however, that "Occupy" stuff never really took hold. Hell, we had more homeless people than young idiots protesting. Something like 35-50 people at its height. Things are good here with something like 4.7% unemployment. I think it has gone up to 6.2% since February.

[Oversoul]

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Sorry for such a detailed response but I figured the best way to tell you who I am is to actually tell you who I am and what I've done and where I've been.

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I salute you.  It looks like you've had a full, interesting, varied and colorful life, with more mileage to go.  Thanks for the sharing.  It's always great to know real people by the lives they've actually lived.   

More power and blessings to you, Zircon.


About the subject of living in or close to the S.F. area in NorCal, it's not easy to explain in the light of the high cost of living, but it's beautiful, refreshing, colorful, varied, ethnically or racially eclectic, culturally diverse, mixed melting pot, open, and... just mystical or magical somehow.  There's something true in that song: you can leave your heart in San Francisco... or never leave the place. 

[Zircon]

I salute you.  It looks like you've had a full, interesting, varied and colorful life, with more mileage to go.  Thanks for the sharing.  It's always great to know real people by the lives they've actually lived.   

More power and blessings to you, Zircon.


About the subject of living in or close to the S.F. area in NorCal, it's not easy to explain in the light of the high cost of living, but it's beautiful, refreshing, colorful, varied, ethnically or racially eclectic, culturally diverse, mixed melting pot, open, and... just mystical or magical somehow.  There's something true in that song: you can leave your heart in San Francisco... or never leave the place. 

Honestly, I am surprised at your positive response to me Oversoul. I thought we had locked horns and basically were not on speaking terms. Thank you very much for your kind words. Yes, I've been around the block a couple of times and my life has seen a lot of stress. How about you? Who are you and what makes you tick?

[guildnavigator]

Well Navigator ... I was born in Lexington, Massachusetts - as a post-WWII "baby boomer". Father was a mechanical engineer and a native himself.

Somehow I grew up in Oklahoma and Kansas. Moved to San Francisco in 1967 (yep, the "Summer of Love") but being a transplanted "Okie" didn't get involved in it. Went to school for a bit (college) as it was free back then. Just get admitted, buy the books and sign up. Wound up joining the Navy during the Vietnam War. Did a tour. Did four active and six in USNR. Got my BS degrees in Math and a second in Physics at the University of Oklahoma in Norman. Got a job as a programmer analyst in Tulsa as my wife was seven months pregnant and I needed to start making some real money.

Wound up spending over 20 years in Seattle (1980s-1990s and into late 2001) during its heyday. Worked at several places to include Microsoft (you know), Boeing (aviation), Immunex (biotech) and in cellular communications (Air Touch/Verizon) and got a MS in Applied Mathematics at the University of Washington in 1988 while doing this. Was a systems analyst, software developer and database administrator during my career. The crash of 2000/2001 forced a glut of high tech professionals and being an older, conservative, straight guy I was unable to survive the three year glut so left and came back to Oklahoma.

Wife and I have three children and three grandchildren. I'm retired and thinking about working at a bookstore. My wife is an RN after a career change ten years ago from commercial art into something that paid more and was more stable.

Sorry for such a detailed response but I figured the best way to tell you who I am is to actually tell you who I am and what I've done and where I've been.

I am shocked that so much crap went on during that single day in Oakland. That place must be one crazy hell hole. Why do you stay or is it that you are a native of the Bay Area? I loved the place and went down there for a few professional gatherings. If you can afford it it is nice. If you can't it can be a nightmare I'm sure. But you're on the opposite side of the bay where life is probably 180 degrees different than in San Francisco itself?

This is my favorite Zircon post. (I have not read them all...)


Confirmed Bay Area native here. I grew up on the peninsula but have moved around to quite a few spots, including the east bay. I am no longer working or living near Oakland, thankfully.

[Zircon]

This is my favorite Zircon post. (I have not read them all...)


Confirmed Bay Area native here. I grew up on the peninsula but have moved around to quite a few spots, including the east bay. I am no longer working or living near Oakland, thankfully.

Peninsula !!! Between the Bay and Pacific? If so then you are among the San Francisco rich. I had a friend who lived up there among the pines. Big house with a swimming pool etc. Really, really nice area. Geez! It was really upscale - 1967.

Glad to see you're out of Oakland. Good grief! What a terrible place to live. Now I can see why there are so many crazy folks in Berkeley. That Oakland-Richmond-Berkeley area is a different world. Went over to Berkeley once and it was really crazy. The war protestors were coming into their own but overall San Francisco was still relatively "conservative" city back then. Changes were happening and a lot of political unrest was forming.

When we moved we lived in Menlo Park and my father worked at Ampex then Bechtel. Brothers went to Menlo-Atherton HS. Really upscale. They didn't fit in as it was culture shock. Now we weren't backwards banjo players with bare feet but being immersed amongst those folks was an experience. Didn't really like it.

[Zircon]

Paper*Boy, your post was very insightful and everything you mentioned is right on the money. They are repeatedly told by their own they can't make it and the black leaders from the streets as well as those in congress don't do anything dispelling this notion.

The leadership continually seek more and more handouts and special considerations to allow for a continued lousy preparation for life that is the norm in their communities - they get reelected for so doing (Maxine Waters and Lewis from Georgia are two examples of black congresspersons who bring home monies to keep the natives on the plantation.

Very few are encouraged to excel unless it is carrying a ball or shooting hoops. Since those opportunities are severely limited we find many joining the military. This environment actually is the best thing that can happen to a lot of them. Gives them structure and accountability. If they do their job they get promoted. Pretty democratic or at least fair.

The idea that we're racist for recognizing what the refuse to acknowledge is ludicrous. The elitists are the ones who've spent decades trying to make thinking people afraid to voice opinions and for peoples to exchange ideas and work issues out. The dumbing down of America is in full swing and is succeeding. Freedom from Thought ... an Oath of Fealty.

[guildnavigator]

Peninsula !!! Between the Bay and Pacific? If so then you are among the San Francisco rich. I had a friend who lived up there among the pines. Big house with a swimming pool etc. Really, really nice area. Geez! It was really upscale - 1967.

Glad to see you're out of Oakland. Good grief! What a terrible place to live. Now I can see why there are so many crazy folks in Berkeley. That Oakland-Richmond-Berkeley area is a different world. Went over to Berkeley once and it was really crazy. The war protestors were coming into their own but overall San Francisco was still relatively "conservative" city back then. Changes were happening and a lot of political unrest was forming.

When we moved we lived in Menlo Park and my father worked at Ampex then Bechtel. Brothers went to Menlo-Atherton HS. Really upscale. They didn't fit in as it was culture shock. Now we weren't backwards banjo players with bare feet but being immersed amongst those folks was an experience. Didn't really like it.

I lived in Studio D of a recording studio called the Annex in menlo park for about a year and a half. I've also driven back and forth by the big Ampex sign on 101 for... probably my whole life!


Learned how to align a tape machine on an old Ampex mm-1000 from the 60's (also at the annex, from a spooky-level talented engineer named Chris Wolfe... where the hell are you, Chris?!)



P.S. I've never had a swimming pool. Then again, I've never needed one!

[Zircon]

I lived in Studio D of a recording studio called the Annex in menlo park for about a year and a half. I've also driven back and forth by the big Ampex sign on 101 for... probably my whole life!


Learned how to align a tape machine on an old Ampex mm-1000 from the 60's (also at the annex, from a spooky-level talented engineer named Chris Wolfe... where the hell are you, Chris?!)



P.S. I've never had a swimming pool. Then again, I've never needed one!

If you're in San Francisco are you a high tech type? Software Engineer etc.

[guildnavigator]

I've done a bit of QA for a few different software companies, but the bulk of my experience has been as a recording engineer/studio musician.

[Oversoul]

Honestly, I am surprised at your positive response to me Oversoul. I thought we had locked horns and basically were not on speaking terms. Thank you very much for your kind words. Yes, I've been around the block a couple of times and my life has seen a lot of stress. How about you? Who are you and what makes you tick?

We may have disagreed before on issues raised or discussed here at CoastGab, but I never "locked" horns with you as to let a noble gesture pass unnoticed, even from you. 

Having become less and less opinionated over the years, I learned to be more discriminating and discerning in choosing issues worth fighting for.  I have a former company Vice President boss many years ago to thank for the latter, i.e., learning to selectively choose my battles (He taught me that not every issue or principle is worth fighting for, that I should choose my battles wisely.), and I have my continuing spiritual journey to acknowledge for the former, i.e., being more open-minded than the self-centered bigot I was then.

I, too, belong to the "baby boomer" generation.  We're probably just a few years off from each other.  Like you, I've also been around the block a couple of times, wherein I had to prove myself over and over again just to keep ahead or to prop myself up in the playing field.  A life of personal struggles and seemingly never-ending struggling.

I started as a practicing attorney (yes, I have a law degree) but became disillusioned with its practice and the legal system.  That should be easy to understand in the light of current events and conditions, when one considers how lawyers have fucked up the political and legal systems and how they are making money out of the mess they made (and continue to make) of people's lives.  (I tell you, there's a very good reason why Jesus was critical of lawyers, together with the priests, scribes and Pharisees, during his time. )

After developing a firm sense of "having been there and done that" in a past lifetime and after falling in love with the "artificial intelligence" of computers, I made a mid-stream career switch to computer programming and information technology.  I did that in a variety of industries for years.  It served the bread and butter purpose of living quite well until a few years ago, when I began experiencing a "coming of age" along the mystical path of life.  My ongoing mystical studies and practice now consume me and preoccupy most of my activities.   Right on time and rightly so, I guess, as I leave life's golden years and the distraction of the human condition behind me.

You ask: "Who are you and what makes you tick?"  At my stage of unfolding consciousness, knowing who "I" am is really of no consequential value to others, except for myself.  It is far more significant that I know others in truth, think rightly of them, regard them correspondingly, and relate to them accordingly (the Golden Rule).  What makes me tick?  Finding the answers to, and discovering and realizing, the ultimate mysteries of life and of Being and Self. 

It is enough to recognize the common ground between us that C2C is/was to us: a mind-opener or a clearing house for unexplained phenomena or experiences, whether personally relevant, purely academic, a matter of curiosity, or sheer entertainment.  I discovered the show back in Art Bell's time, and the show captured my attention nightly in return, for similar reasons that most likely made you tune in to C2C nightly too -- "fringe" topics such UFOs, ET aliens, time travel, the occult, psychic or paranormal phenomena, consciousness, cosmology, God, prophecies, spirits, demons, supernatural hauntings, conspiracy theories, mysteries, theoretical physics, etc -- the same esoteric topics we blog about here.

[Sardondi]

I've noticed how I seem to have been boycotted in this forum....

what is it that gives you this impression?

Because it had been almost 16 minutes since the threadstarter had been posted, and no one had yet responded to it. Yep, it's pretty clear there's an organized boycott in place, and it's not possible that the subject itself might have instantaneously sucked every atom of energy and joy out of a reader. 

[MV/Liberace!]

Because it had been almost 16 minutes since the threadstarter had been posted, and no one had yet responded to it.

haha, yeah... that's what was confusing me.  i was looking at the timestamps and scratching my head.

[Zircon]

Because it had been almost 16 minutes since the threadstarter had been posted, and no one had yet responded to it. Yep, it's pretty clear there's an organized boycott in place, and it's not possible that the subject itself might have instantaneously sucked every atom of energy and joy out of a reader. 

He!He! OK, you "spanked" me. Can I have dinner now - please?