Topic: President Donald J. Trump

[Yorkshire pud]

The same way Dole, Bush II, and Romney did.  The Fake News media chose their preferred candidate to run against, and convinced the Republican Primary voters he was ''the only one who can win''.

They did the same with Trump, by the way, with a couple of wrinkles.  1) there was a huge field, so it was easy for them to get away with only covering Trump, and due to the large field it was easy for him to then win primaries with 30% of the vote, and 2) there were some voters voting for Trump who wouldn't normally vote, or vote for the Rs.

But we still hear it now: ''Trump was the only one who could have beaten Hilary''.  As with McCain, et. al. from earlier election years, he was in reality probably the candidate least likely to win - but even he could beat her.

Oh is that the same 'fake news' who preferred Trump by a huge margin but now don't?   

[Gd5150]

Never a truer word..

Amen sister.

Record stock market.
Record number of record closes.
Record unemployment,
Record drop in illegal immigration.
Highest economic growth in 20 years.
Thanks to his tax plan 90% of Americans will receive a tax cut.
Millions getting pay increases thanks to his tax cut.
Corporate tax cuts will grow economy to highest it’s been in 30 years.

It must suck to be always be wrong. Poor bastard.

But he’s orange. 

[Yorkshire pud]

Evidence please

Well Trump hasn't ever remotely criticised Putin for the previous and ongoing cyber attacks on not just US, but other Western allies' electoral and infrastructure systems, although all US security agencies and agencies from the UK, Holland, France, Germany and Italy have brought it to his attention. Or are they all making it up? 

[Yorkshire pud]

Amen sister.

Record stock market.

I asked this before, but you couldn't answer--Other than those holding shares and milionaires how does this benefit you?

Record number of record closes.

No idea what you're saying here..

Record unemployment,

What is it now? 52%? 78%? Walmart announced they're closing stores this week. Carefully hidden into announcing bonuses..

Record drop in illegal immigration.

The jobs they did replaced by white people? Oh wait...

Highest economic growth in 20 years.

No it isn't...It's been growing since 2009.

Thanks to his tax 90% of Americans will receive a tax cut.

...to be taken away later...Medical bills will rise too..

Millions getting pay increases thanks to his tax cut.

Can you show that?

Corporate tax cuts will grow economy to highest it’s been in 30 years.

Nope...Corporate tax cuts will benefit the execs and shareholders within. There is no such provable animal as trickle down economics.. If there is, please show me..

It must suck to be always be wrong. Poor bastard.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

But he’s orange. an incompetent, narcissistic, cry baby, gormless, illiterate, racist, misogynist, idiotic asshole, and orange.

FIFY.

[PB the Deplorable]

Oh is that the same 'fake news' who preferred Trump by a huge margin but now don't? 

Yes

[Yorkshire pud]

Yes

You crack me up. 

[TigerLily]

This article says that 64% of Trump's donations were $200 or less compared to 29% for Clinton.

Not to mention Trump spending $66 million of his own money. Citizens United money was channeled either to Clinton or against Trump. Twice as much money was spent trying to buy votes for Clinton.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/11/09/another-way-trumps-bid-changed-politics/93565370/

Well, $66 million minus $12.8* million he paid to himself

And those outside donations gave us the Mercers (Breitbart, Bannon, Conway), and Cabinet Members

Steve Mnuchin $425k, Betsey DeVos $1.8m, Linda McMahon $7.5, Ben Carson $100k, Todd Ricketts $1.3m , Wilbur Ross $200k, Andrew Puzder $332k

*Federal Election Commission data and reports that the Donald Trump campaign paid his own companies $12.8 million.

That's millions to Trump Tower and Trump's private plane, plus hundreds of thousands more for office suites, hotels, employees, security, and so on. Also:

Trump’s Palm Beach club Mar-A-Lago, which he designated as his “Winter White House,” was paid $435,000 by the campaign for facility rental, catering and lodging, while his golf courses were paid $398,000 for the same services.

Eric Trump’s Charlottesville, Virginia, vineyard was paid $32,000 for facilities rental and catering, while a linked company — Trump Virginia Acquisitions — was paid $2,300 for lodging. (Eric Trump, his wife Lara Trump and his brother Donald Trump, Jr., also were reimbursed $56,000 by the campaign for travel and meal expenses).

Payments for meals and catering went to Trump Restaurants, LLC ($78,000), Trump Grill ($608) and Trump Café ($95), while Trump Restaurants, LLC also was paid $141,000 for rent and utilities.

Even a company called Trump Ice got in on the action, charging the campaign $3,400 for beverages for meetings, and office supplies.

[TigerLily]

You want people to simply forget about the smartest woman in history, and the most qualified person ever to run for president?

You and Trump will never let that happen

[TigerLily]

You're living on a different planet.

I'm looking for the one where Trump isn't president

[PB the Deplorable]

Well Trump hasn't ever remotely criticised Putin for the previous and ongoing cyber attacks on not just US, but other Western allies' electoral and infrastructure systems, although all US security agencies and agencies from the UK, Holland, France, Germany and Italy have brought it to his attention. Or are they all making it up? 

Russia is an important country due to it's size, it's military power, it's natural resources, etc.  Putin happens to be their leader. 

Let's go over some history of how our relationship with them was blown, including what led to Putin became leader in the first place, the abject failure of the Obama Administration in dealing with him, and Bill and Hilary's corrupt dealing with the Russians at the expense of our security.  Then maybe we can criticize Trump for not doing the same.

When the Soviet Union fell, Yeltsin became President of Russia.  They wanted to be freinds with us, although given the historical rivalry there were some suspicions to overcome.  There were also legitimate concerns within regarding the makeup of the governments of the newly created countries on their borders, and Russian citizens living there.

Bill Clinton began meddling in the elections of certain governments, siding with candidates that opposed the preferred candidates of the Russians.  We had no business doing that.  It led to the rise of Putin, who canpaigned against US meddling and won his own election.

Bush II did the same thing.  Clinton and Bush both treated the new Russian state shabbily when there was no need to do so.  We alienated them and pushed them away.  We did that. 

Obama inherited a badly blown opportunity, which he was only too happy execerbate - either through his desire to intentionally undermine the US anyway he could, or through abject incopetence.  Probably both.

Hilary Clinton sold 20% of our uranium supply to the Russians, in a deal that got Bill huge ''speaking fees''.  Obama and some other hack administration officials signed off as well.  I believe the FBI has opened a case to investigate, hopefully they will finally have the will to fully investigate at least one Clinton scandal.  I think looking into the phony ''foundation'' for a source of bribes on this and other activity would be a good start.

These are just some ofthe bigger pieces of corruption and incompetence.  There's more, but you get the idea.


Back to Trump.  Why shouldn't he at least try for a fresh start, or at least improve the relationship?  Seriously.  What good do you think it would do for Trump to start disparaging Putin?  What benefits do you think would come out of that?  We deal with every country depending on a lot of issues.  We don't interact with North Korea the same way we do China.  Or Russia the same way we do France.  Or Pakistan the same way we we Mexico. 

You don't like Trump when he calls people out, and you don't like him when he doesn't.  Go figure.

[Yorkshire pud]

Well, $66 million minus $12.8* million he paid to himself

And those outside donations gave us the Mercers (Breitbart, Bannon, Conway), and Cabinet Members

Steve Mnuchin $425k, Betsey DeVos $1.8m, Linda McMahon $7.5, Ben Carson $100k, Todd Ricketts $1.3m , Wilbur Ross $200k, Andrew Puzder $332k

*Federal Election Commission data and reports that the Donald Trump campaign paid his own companies $12.8 million.

That's millions to Trump Tower and Trump's private plane, plus hundreds of thousands more for office suites, hotels, employees, security, and so on. Also:

Trump’s Palm Beach club Mar-A-Lago, which he designated as his “Winter White House,” was paid $435,000 by the campaign for facility rental, catering and lodging, while his golf courses were paid $398,000 for the same services.

Eric Trump’s Charlottesville, Virginia, vineyard was paid $32,000 for facilities rental and catering, while a linked company — Trump Virginia Acquisitions — was paid $2,300 for lodging. (Eric Trump, his wife Lara Trump and his brother Donald Trump, Jr., also were reimbursed $56,000 by the campaign for travel and meal expenses).

Payments for meals and catering went to Trump Restaurants, LLC ($78,000), Trump Grill ($608) and Trump Café ($95), while Trump Restaurants, LLC also was paid $141,000 for rent and utilities.

Even a company called Trump Ice got in on the action, charging the campaign $3,400 for beverages for meetings, and office supplies.

Yeah, but no inference should be taken he only went into it to make him and his family richer... 

[TigerLily]

Yet you think it is ok to be disingenuous and campaign as a conservative but vote as a moderate.  You're ok with liars then.  Why the hell are you complaining about Trump then?  Oh because he says stupid shit and doesn't enact liberal policies mainly the latter.  Got it.  I really hate slamming you down like this but dishonesty is wrong especially from a politician.  I'm an idealist, I know.  That's why I'm disgusted with most of them.

You're disgusted by McCain's lies but ... what? ... amused by Trump's

[PB the Deplorable]

... I asked this before, but you couldn't answer--Other than those holding shares and milionaires how does this benefit you?...

Nearly everyone in this country who has a decent job has a 401k plan.  Which mostly holds US stocks.

And plenty of people hold shares outside their retrirement accounts.

Besides all that, companies expand when the economy is growing and when they expect a certain level of return on additional investment.  That means more products and services, more competition, more good jobs, and yes - more tax revenue generated.

[Yorkshire pud]

Russia is an important country due to it's military power.  Putin happens to be their leader. 

Trump isn't remotely concerned about military power. Sure, he likes to puff his fat chest out to say he's got the best generals (Who just happen to be the same ones who he said he knew more about warfare when he was running as a candidate), the best aircraft (including the fictitious F52 that he says Norway are talking delivery of), but he has no intellectual curiosity about any of it. Which is why he's flippant in tweeting about how he'd launch ICBMs. His only interest in Putin is what he thinks Putin can do for him, personally. Or do against him personally. It has nothing to do with what 'deal' he imagines Putin can do with the USA; Not a lot considering the GDP of Russia is smaller than Italy's yet for reasons we can only imagine (Money laundering) it has more billionaires than any other country on the planet--Trickle down economics eh?

Let's go over some history of how our relationship with them was blown, including what led to Putin became leader in the first place, the abject failure of the Obama Administration in dealing with him, and Bill and Hilary's corrupt dealing with the Russians at the expense of our security.  Then maybe we can criticize Trump for not doing the same.

When the Soviet Union fell, Yeltsin became President of Russia.  They wanted to be freinds with us, although given the historical rivalry there were some suspicions to overcome.  There were also legitimate concerns within regarding the makeup of the governments of the newly created countries on their borders, and Russian citizens living there.

Bill Clinton began meddling in the elections of certain governments, siding with candidates that opposed the preferred candidates of the Russians.  We had no business doing that.  It led to the rise of Putin, who canpaigned against US meddling and won his own election.

Bush II did the same thing.  Clinton and Bush both treated the new Russian state shabbily when there was no need to do so.  We alienated them and pushed them away.  We did that. 

Obama inherited a badly blown opportunity, which he was only too happy execerbate - either through his desire to intentionally undermine the US anyway he could, or through abject incopetence.  Probably both.

Hilary Clinton sold 20% of our uranium supply to the Russians,

No she didn't. She did not. That is mendacious bullshit.. I don't like Clinton, or even the Clintons, but she didn't do that.

in a deal that got Bill huge ''speaking fees''.  Obama and some other hack administration officials signed off as well.  I believe the FBI has opened a case to investigate, hopefully they will finally have the will to fully investigate at least one Clinton scandal.  I think looking into the phony ''foundation'' for a source of bribes on this and other activity would be a good start.

These are just some ofthe bigger pieces of corruption and incompetence.  There's more, but you get the idea.


Back to Trump.  Why shouldn't he at least try for a fresh start, or at least improve the relationship?  Seriously.  What good do you think it would do for Trump to start disparaging Putin?  What benefits do you think would come out of that?  You don't like Trump when he calls people out, and you don't like him when he doesn't.  Go figure.

Get this right...Trump tweets when his uber thin skin is pricked over any perceived slight, anything. Yet he is notably silent that Putin has (and continues to) orchestrate a systemic attack on the west. We're talking major attacks, that is justified by Trump because Putin 'Says he didn't do it'!! Its a new model for courts..The defendant denies it so it stands to reason they're innocent. (See Trump and Roy Moore).

[albrecht]

The following are the top donors to Trump's campaign:

1. Robert Mercer, Renaissance Technologies - $13.5 million
The CEO of New York-based hedge fund Renaissance Technologies has contributed millions of his fortune to conservative causes over the years. This election cycle, Mercer had started a super PAC to support Ted Cruz and Trump's campaign manager Kellyanne Conway managed it. When Cruz dropped out, Mercer changed the name of the super PAC from Keep the Promise 1 to Make America Number 1 and focused on supporting Trump's campaign.

2. Sheldon Adelson and Miriam Adelson, Las Vegas Sands Corporation (LVS) - $10 million
Casino magnate Sheldon Adelson is the CEO of Las Vegas Sands Corporation. He and his wife both gave $5 million each to the Future45 super PAC. Adelson also gave $1.5 million to the Republican National Convention this year. (See also, Republican National Convention 2016 Donor's Names Released)

3. Linda McMahon, World Wrestling Entertainment Inc. (WWE) - $6 million
Linda McMahon co-founded the WWE franchise with her husband Vince. She gave $6 million to the pro-Trump super PAC Rebuilding America Now, making her one of the biggest donors to Trump.

4. Bernard Marcus, Retired - $7 million
87-year-old Bernard Marcus is the co-founder and former CEO of Home Depot. He currently sits on the board of the Republican Jewish Coalition. He gave to the Rebuilding America Now and Make America Number 1 super PAC.

5. Geoffrey Palmer, G.H. Palmer Associates - $2 million
Palmer is a real estate magnate whose buildings in Los Angeles are known for their characteristic "fauxtalian" style. He donated to Trump's campaign through the Rebuilding America Now super PAC.

6. Ronald M Cameron, Mountaire Corp. - $2 million
Cameron is CEO of an Arkansas-based poultry company called Mountaire Corp. He previously contributed $3 million to Mike Huckabee's bid for president and donated to the pro-Trump Rebuilding America Now super PAC.

7. Peter Thiel, Palantir Technologies - $1.25 million
Venture capitalist Peter Thiel. Thiel delivered a speech in which he expressed his frustration with America's "broken economy." Thiel is also a director at Facebook (FB). See also, (Mark Zuckerberg Responds to Peter Thiel's Donation to Donald Trump )

8. Walter Buckley Jr, Actua Corporation (ACTA) - $1 million
Buckley is the CEO of Actua Corporation, a publicly traded venture capital firm that acquires and builds cloud companies. He donated to the Rebuilding America Now super PAC.

9. Cherna Moskowitz, Hawaiian Gardens Casino - $1 million
Cherna Moskowitz is the president of Hawaiian Gardens Casino and the Irving Moskowitz Fundation. She donated to Mercer's Maker America Number 1 super PAC. News stories, including one published by Mother Jones in 2000, have said the Moskowitzs operated a bingo club in an impoverished town as a non-profit and used the funds to support Jewish settlers in Palestine.

10. Peter Zieve, Electroimpact - $1 million
Peter Zieve is the founder and president of Electroimpact, a manufacturing firm that counts Boeing and Airbus among its customers. In April, The Seattle Times published offensive emails sent by Zieve to his employees. Congratulating an employee on a that 381,000 terrorist savages have gotten into Europe this year and if we don’t make more babies the light will go out on civilization.”

Suspiciously large number of members of The Tribe who are supporting the new Führer of the 4th Reich.Or is the NAZI narrative last year's talking points?

[albrecht]

Nearly everyone in this country who has a decent job has a 401k plan.  Which mostly holds US stocks.

And plenty of people hold shares outside their retrirement accounts.

Besides all that, companies expand when the economy is growing and they expect a certain level of return on additional investment.  That means more products and services, more competition, more good jobs, and yes - more tax revenue generated.

And even more are held by traditional Democrat-leaning groups like Teacher retirement funds, union pension funds, water and utility board investments, city investment funds, etc etc.

[PB the Deplorable]

... No it isn't...It's been growing since 2009...

The US economy is extremely strong and resiliant.  More so than any economy in the past, or around the world.  It typically runs despite the goings on in Washington DC, despite the politicians, and despite the Fed, strangling regulations, excessive taxes, restrictive employment laws, and all the rest.

Regarding the economy, the government can really only do two things:  put up obstructions, or take them down.  Reagan took them down.  Much of what a president does to influence an economy involves confidence:  either the decision makers have confidence the president is pro-business, or they don't.  With Obama they didn't.  With Trump, they do.  It seems like a small thing, but it's extremely important.

Our economy would have rebounded from the 2008 meltdown regardless.  That the recovery was as anemic as it was was shocking. You can assign the blame for that on Obama:  his actions, his comments, his priorities, and how that affected the confidence the economy had in him.  With Trump, all that negitivity was replaced by the opposite

[Yorkshire pud]

The US economy is extremely strong and resiliant.  More so than any economy in the past, or around the world.  It typically runs despite the goings on in Washington DC, despite the politicians, and despite the Fed, strangling regulations, excessive taxes, restrictive employment laws, and all the rest.

Regarding the economy, the government can really only do two things:  put up obstructions, or take them down.  Reagan took them down.  Much of what a president does to influence an economy involves confidence:  either the decision makers have confidence the president is pro-business, or they don't.  With Obama they didn't.  With Trump, they do.  It seems like a small thing, but it's extremely important.

Our economy would have rebounded from the 2008 meltdown regardless.  That the recovery was as anemic as it was was shocking. You can assign the blame for that on Obama:  his actions, his comments, his priorities, and how that affected the confidence the economy had in him.  With Trump, all that negitivity was replaced by the opposite

Obama inherited one of the biggest economic slumps in modern history-it was in all the papers, loads of firms closed, people lost their homes and jobs.. (Did you miss that bit?). Trump inherited a recovery and is calling it his own, So therefore Trump has very little to do with the continuing upward trend...  Dispense with the disingenuous shit.

[PB the Deplorable]

... Nope...Corporate tax cuts will benefit the execs and shareholders within. There is no such provable animal as trickle down economics.. If there is, please show me..

Golly, I'm shocked the Democrat Fake News Media would insist on such crap.  You know, the people who love ever bigger government and endless tax increases.  The people who hate Reagan and love Obama.  Why would they lie about the benefits of lower taxes?

You want evidence?  How about the economic revolution Reagan unleashed:  25 years of astonishing, record setting growth, the rise of the digital world, including high-tech, communications, bio-tech.  Do you really need to have that pointed out to you?   

You're going to seriously go along with the ''trickle down'' label, then claim it doesn't work?  Unbelievable.

[chefist]

How are all you stitholes doing today? Ha. 

[GravitySucks]

Well, $66 million minus $12.8* million he paid to himself

And those outside donations gave us the Mercers (Breitbart, Bannon, Conway), and Cabinet Members

Steve Mnuchin $425k, Betsey DeVos $1.8m, Linda McMahon $7.5, Ben Carson $100k, Todd Ricketts $1.3m , Wilbur Ross $200k, Andrew Puzder $332k

*Federal Election Commission data and reports that the Donald Trump campaign paid his own companies $12.8 million.

That's millions to Trump Tower and Trump's private plane, plus hundreds of thousands more for office suites, hotels, employees, security, and so on. Also:

Trump’s Palm Beach club Mar-A-Lago, which he designated as his “Winter White House,” was paid $435,000 by the campaign for facility rental, catering and lodging, while his golf courses were paid $398,000 for the same services.

Eric Trump’s Charlottesville, Virginia, vineyard was paid $32,000 for facilities rental and catering, while a linked company — Trump Virginia Acquisitions — was paid $2,300 for lodging. (Eric Trump, his wife Lara Trump and his brother Donald Trump, Jr., also were reimbursed $56,000 by the campaign for travel and meal expenses).

Payments for meals and catering went to Trump Restaurants, LLC ($78,000), Trump Grill ($608) and Trump Café ($95), while Trump Restaurants, LLC also was paid $141,000 for rent and utilities.

Even a company called Trump Ice got in on the action, charging the campaign $3,400 for beverages for meetings, and office supplies.

I think you have been filled with a lot of propaganda concerning the Citizens United Supreme Court decision.  Have you ever read it, or are you just using the Beenie Sanders talking points? 

[PB the Deplorable]

Obama inherited one of the biggest economic slumps in modern history-it was in all the papers, loads of firms closed, people lost their homes and jobs.. (Did you miss that bit?). Trump inherited a recovery and is calling it his own, So therefore Trump has very little to do with the continuing upward trend...  Dispense with the disingenuous shit.

Yep, he certainly did inherit a mess.

Then didn't do a thing to improve it.  No, he came to power interested in social issues, dividing the country as best he could, and weakening it in general when he got the opportunity.  He wasn't interested in the economy, other than to hambstring it when he could

If you can think of any positive steps he took to improve the economy, please let me know because I must have missed them

[Jackstar]

No she didn't. She did not. That is mendacious bullshit.. I don't like Clinton, or even the Clintons, but she didn't do that.

Showw yourr faggott workingss.. .. ..

[Yorkshire pud]

Golly, I'm shocked the Democrat Fake News Media would insist on such crap.  You know, the people who love ever bigger government and endless tax increases.  The people who hate Reagan and love Obama.  Why would they lie about the benefits of lower taxes?

You want evidence?  How about the economic revolution Reagan unleashed:  25 years of astonishing, record setting growth, the rise of the digital world, including high-tech, communications, bio-tech.  Do you really need to have that pointed out to you?   

You're going to seriously go along with the ''trickle down'' label, then claim it doesn't work?  Unbelievable.

And tell the audience, what happened after that little miracle. Extra points if you can incorporate 'economic bubble', 'Yuppy', and 'Over leveraged'. It doesn't work you idiot unless you're already rich. Ask the poor sods who lost their jobs through no fault of their own what they thought of it. My ex brother in law who went on to get a PhD in economics sucked in his cheeks with embarrassment when he saw the town he grew up in have an economic collapse and skilled workers went to work on monday morning to be told it was all over. And he was a devout Thatcher disciple.

[Yorkshire pud]

Showw yourr faggott workingss.. .. ..

Show me how to prove a negative flower boy.

[Jackstar]

a PhD in economics

Is this PhD from the same faggot educational system that claimed that Oswald acted alone? Asking for a friend.

[Jackstar]

flower boy.

Isn't that a flower on your avatar flag? Go eat a dick, get ready for Lodge.

[Yorkshire pud]

Yep, he certainly did inherit a mess.

Then didn't do a thing to improve it.  No, he came to power interested in social issues, dividing the country as best he could and weakening it in general when he got the opportunity.  He wasn't interested in the economy, other than to hambstring it when he could

If you can think of any positive steps he took to improve the economy, please let me know because I must have missed them

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Dated 2012

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/Documents/20120502_EconomicGrowth.pdf

Despite the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression and a series of shocks in its
aftermath, the economy has gradually strengthened since mid-2009, though more work remains.

Growth in the U.S. has outpaced that of other advanced economies affected by the global
financial crisis.

2016

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/current-us-economic-recovery-may-end-up-as-longest-ever-2016-07-18

Current U.S. economic recovery may end up as longest ever
Published: July 19, 2016 1:52 p.m. ET

[PB the Deplorable]

And tell the audience, what happened after that little miracle. Extra points if you can incorporate 'economic bubble', 'Yuppy', and 'Over leveraged'. It doesn't work you idiot unless you're already rich. Ask the poor sods who lost their jobs through no fault of their own what they thought of it. My ex brother in law who went on to get a PhD in economics sucked in his cheeks with embarrassment when he saw the town he grew up in have an economic collapse and skilled workers went to work on monday morning to be told it was all over. And he was a devout Thatcher disciple.

I really can't comment on your Socialist utopia, other than suggest they dump socialism.

As far as the dotcom bubble burst, to a certain extent it was a normal part of the boom and bust cycle.  Exacerbated as usual by government, in this case the Fed.  The economy got overheated due to excess money in the system, and excess greed during a period when nearly everyone was making a lot of money. 

Tiny startup companies got investor money even though their ideas were bad and they were losing money.  People chose to work for them.  Investors bought their stocks when they had their IPOs.  Other companies sold them goods on credit.  Bill Clinton's Fed allowed too much money to be created.  And that was the result.


Can you at least step back and see the larger picture, say the 25 years from 1982 to 2007?  That didn't work for you? 

[PB the Deplorable]

Trump isn't remotely concerned about military power, blah, blah, blah...

Yes, we should take your insightful comments about Trump very seriously, their accuracy is unchallenged