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#31
Quote from: ItsOver on November 17, 2017, 11:45:48 AM



Come on back, Gnoory.  Tell us more!

"Not too close, honey... yew'll mess up the 'stache,"
#32
Quote from: Jojo on November 17, 2017, 01:11:32 PM
Dr. Wallach, ND, is a naturopathic doctor who graduated from medical school after his educational internship period.  He is not a snake oil salesman.  He values nutritional health, and in today's age, the value of nutritional health is indisputable.  The program is aired free of charge.  Dr. Wallach does not pay for his on-air programs and he is not paid to perform them. 

The Code of Federal Regulations is for product labeling, not free speech by a doctor!

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/1.1

Nope. Wallach runs criticalhealthnews dot com. Therefore he's a paid sponsor. Norry says so at beginning of each program when Wallach is on. Therefore he is product labeling each time he is on.

Not only is a snake-oil salesman, he is the proverbial snake himself. Don't be dull about it. Again, your bias is blinding you to the truth!

And, the value of nutritional health in today's age has been disputed over and over again by the scientific community. Which is not to say it has absolutely no value. I'm sure nutritional supplementation does have slight benefits, but Wallach takes it to another level, claiming it can reverse most, if not all, diseases.

He is akin to a sleazy preacher who spouts that he can cure his audience through the power of Jesus... Jesus being special nutrition in Wallach's case.
#33
Quote from: albrecht on November 17, 2017, 10:29:14 AM
What a motley crew. Tommee running some kind of human trafficking ring?

Lol -- That was my second choice for Tommee's look! More specifically Human sex-child trafficking ring, however i thought that might be too crude... oh well.
#34
Quote from: Jojo on November 17, 2017, 02:54:07 AM
Who is paying you!
No one here is complaining about being ripped off by Doc Wallach!

User Here We Go Again has a valid point. Where are the proper disclaimers before each "news show" on the topic of "alternative health" with a guest from the paid sponsor, Criticalheatlhnews? And, Norry occasionally saying (slyly saying I might add) during the program that "we're not saying these are cures" is not a proper disclaimer at all. He says this reluctantly each time, hoping most listeners will not pick it up or be fooled into thinking they are legitimate for claiming this.

No one is complaining about being ripped off by Wallach because everyone on this thread is aware of the fraud that he is! :)
#35
Quote from: ItsOver on November 17, 2017, 06:01:15 AM


"Thank yeeewww, G!  Enjoy your turkee.  We know yeeewww do!"

Fat Tommee looks like some drug lord in that pic.
#36
Quote from: Jojo on November 17, 2017, 02:16:22 AM
I agree its expensive.  So are doctors. 

Maybe his advice has harmed someone, but i doubt it.  Because i cant find any stats on the percentage of U.S. deaths caused by naturopathic doctors (which Wallach says he is).  On the other hand, allopathic (regular) doctors are the third leading cause of death, and cause 10% of U.S. deaths per. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/medical-errors-are-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us.  Most people dont know that naturopaths go to medical school.

Doc gives a lot of his proprietary info away, if one listens (for free) repeatedly, and takes notes.  His website gives away the "secret" mineral, which I believe is selenium (found in mustard).

Here:
http://nomdforme.com/faq/what-are-the-90-essential-nutrients/. .  I dug them up for free.  If you like this information I found at no charge to you😃, please check out https://www.gofundme.com/dellasdental.

You didn't answer the question about what's true regarding Wallach's claims. I laid out 3 general ones that you simply ignored.

There are no statistics on "naturopathic" doctors because they can't be placed in a scientific study since any person can claim to be "Holistic". In other words, there is no scientific course or graduate body for the field "Naturopahy". It is simply a hobby for those who partake in it.

My argument isn't against "naturopathic" or Holistic Doctors. If it suits you better to see them for your healthcare needs then more power to you. My argument is against "Doc" Wallach specifically and his outlandish claims and untruths he spouts to profit on the gullible, as so many in this thread have also stated for the record.

You should really take a look at: http://skepdic.com/wallach.html .  Here are some excerpts you will find illuminating if you really can independently think and not be blinded by your bias of the medical establishment; which I admit there are malpractice claims and bad doctors a lot of the time -- i don't deny that. But painting every MD with a broad brush is dangerous business in my view.

Here are the excerpts:

The basic danger of Wallach's theories is not that taking colloidal minerals will harm people or even that many people will be wasting their money on a product they do not need. Many of his claims are not backed up by scientific randomized control studies, but are anecdotal or fictional. The basic danger is that because he and other naturopaths exaggerate the role of minerals in good health, they may be totally ignored by the scientific community even if they happen to hit on some real connections between minerals and disease. Furthermore, there is the chance that legitimate scientific researchers may avoid this field for fear of being labeled a kook.

Wallach falsely claims that there are five cultures in the world that have average life spans of between 120 and 140 years: the Tibetans in Western China; the Hunzas in Eastern Pakistan; the Russian Georgians and the Armenians, the Abkhasians, and the Azerbaijanis. He also mentions the people of the Vilcabamba in Ecuador and those who live around Lake Titicaca in Peru and Bolivia. The secret of their longevity is "glacier milk" (water full of colloidal minerals). The basis for these claims seems to be Wallach's imagination.

The label on the "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" tape says "Learn why the average life span of an MD is only 58 years." On his tape, Dr. Wallach claims that "the average life span of an American is 75 years, but the average life span of an American doctor is only 58 years!" Maybe dead doctors don't lie, but this living one certainly does. According to Kevin Kenward of the American Medical Association: "Based on over 210,000 records of deceased physicians, our data indicate the average life-span of a physician is 70.8 years." One wonders where Dr. Wallach got his data. The only mention in his tape of data on physician deaths is in his description of a rather gruesome hobby of his: he collects obituaries of local physicians as he takes his mineral show from town to town.

On his tape, Wallach says

"...what I did was go back to school and become a physician. I finally got a license to kill (laughter), and they allowed me to use everything I had learned in veterinary school about nutrition on my human patients. And to no surprise to me, it worked. I spent 12 years up in Portland, Oregon, in general practice, and it was very fascinating."

Wallach is not a physician, but an N.D., a doctor of naturopathy. It is unlikely that most of the people in his audiences know that naturopaths aren't really physicians and that there is a big difference between an M.D. and an N.D. He also claims he did hundreds of autopsies on humans while working as a veterinarian in St. Louis. How does a veterinarian get to do human autopsies?

"...Well, again, to make a long story short, over a period of some twelve years I did 17,500 autopsies on over 454 species of animals and 3,000 human beings who lived in close proximity to the zoos, and the thing I found out was this: every animal and every human being who dies of natural causes dies of a nutritional deficiency."

If he really did do all those autopsies and then concluded that every animal or human who dies of natural causes dies because of a nutritional deficiency, then he qualifies for the Ignoble or Ignoramus Prize. To accomplish his autopsy feat, he would have to have done six autopsies a day, working 5 days a week for 12 years, taking only a 2-week vacation each year. He was allegedly performing all these autopsies in addition to his other duties and presumably while he was writing essays and books as well.

an attack on doctors and a panegyric to minerals

Wallach's "Dead Doctors Don't Lie" tape is both an attack on the medical profession and a panegyric for minerals. The attack is vicious and mostly unwarranted, which weakens his credibility about the wonders of mineral supplements. He does not come across as an objective, impersonal scientist. He delights in ridiculing "Haavaad" University and cardiologists who die young from heart attacks, many of whom went into the field because of congenital heart defects.

Wallach seems to ignore the importance of genetics in human diseases. He reverts to name-calling on several occasions, as well. Doctors, he says, routinely commit many practices that would be considered illegal in other fields. At one point he claims that the average M.D. makes over $200,000 a year in kickbacks. This ludicrous claim didn't even get a peep of skeptical bewilderment from his audience. [The tape is of a live recording of one of his shows.] He sounds like a bitter, rejected oddball who is getting even with the medical profession for ignoring him and his "research," much of which consists of studies on such things as "hair analysis," a common mark of the quack. His bitterness toward science-based medicine makes Wallach attractive to those with an axe to grind against the medical profession.

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You are wrong about Selenium being the "secret" mineral Wallach talks about. Even Noory on his programs with him sometimes says to listeners that "Wallach will not give away the mineral" when discussing certain ailments the the person is "nutritionally deficient" in.

If you he gives a list of everything as you say -- then why charge the prices he does on his "website store" if everything can be picked up locally at your drug store?

Again, I quote:

Wallach seems to be most famous for a widely circulated audiotape he calls "Dead Doctors Don't Lie." [It is also available in video tape and book form.] The label on the tape notes that Wallach was a Nobel Prize nominee. This is true, but meaningless. He was nominated for a Nobel Prize in medicine by the Association of Eclectic Physicians "for his notable and untiring work with deficiencies of the trace mineral selenium and its relationship to the congenital genesis of Cystic Fibrosis." The Association of Eclectic Physicians is a group of naturopaths founded in 1982 by Edward Alstat and Michael Ancharski. In his book Let's Play Doctor (co-authored with Ma Lan, M.D., M.S.) Wallach states that cystic fibrosis is preventable, is 100% curable in the early stages, can be managed very well in chronic cases, leading to a normal life expectancy (75 years). If these claims were true, he might have won the Prize. He didn't win, but he gave a lot of false hope to parents of children with cystic fibrosis. The fact is that Wallach's "research" on cystic fibrosis was, to put it kindly, incompetent. The "people he studied were self-selected, and not randomized; he did not follow an appropriate data-gathering protocol; his diagnoses were made with a questionnaire; and his report made claims about other data that were either unsupported or unreferenced."* In fact, cystic fibrosis is a genetic disorder that "causes the body to produce unusually thick, sticky mucus that:

--Clogs the lungs and leads to life-threatening lung infections.

--Obstructs the pancreas and stops natural enzymes from helping the body break down food and absorb vital nutrients."*

"Many people with the disease can now expect to live into their 30s, 40s and beyond,"* but not because of mineral supplements or thanks to anything Wallach did.

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...In the early 1980's, Wallach called himself a "Manner Metabolic Physician'' and treated cancer patients with laetrile, a substance that should not be used to treat cancer. In 1990 he also worked with Kurt Donsbach at the notorious Tijuana clinic Hospital Santa Monica. In 1995, Wallach was using chelation therapy for heart disease, a common misuse of this therapy by quacks. A relative of one of Wallach's patients reported his concerns to the National Council Against Health Fraud when the patient died in Wallach's care. The relative expressed concern that "Wallach had convinced the patient not to be treated by his regular physician; thus he did not seek proper medical help and died."*

There is no scientific data supporting the claim that all diseases are due to mineral deficiencies. A deficiency or excess of zinc can cause serious health problems. Iron deficiency is a well-known health problem. And there is a good reason for magnesium being a common ingredient in laxatives and antacids. But unless one has a specific deficiency, there is no known health benefit from ingesting daily supplements, colloidal or otherwise, unless one considers it a health benefit to feel that you are in control of your well-being by taking supplements. Numerous studies have failed to find any health benefit from taking supplements "just in case" you might be deficient in one or more vitamins or minerals. Editors at the Annals of Internal Medicine put it this way:

Most supplements do not prevent chronic disease or death, their use is not justified, and they should be avoided.... After years of study and mostly disappointing results, enough is enough. What we've found time and again is that the supplements are not working… we don't need to go on studying them forever....most of the 53% of U.S. consumers who use supplements are wasting money, to the tune of $28 billion a year.*

Since one-third of U.S. adults take supplements despite the lack of scientific evidence in support of the practice, characters like Wallach have a large market of eager customers waiting to be told lies that make them feel they can control their health with minimal effort just by opening their mouths and their wallets. The only reputable scientific study I know of that found a "modest" reduction in the risk of cancer from taking daily supplements was published in the Journal of the American Medical Society in 2012. The study involved over 14,000 male physicians over four years. One group got daily multivitamin tabs, the other group got a placebo.

Wallach claims that minerals in foods and most supplements are "metallic" and not as effective as "plant-based" colloidal minerals, which is nonsense because colloidal minerals are also "metallic," i.e., contain trace amounts of aluminum and heavy metals. Being colloidal has more to do with the origin, size, and structure of the mineral particles that with their effectiveness. Being metallic is irrelevant. Wallach claims that metallic minerals (i.e., regular vitamins and minerals) are only 8-12% absorb-able while colloidal minerals are 98% absorb-able. No data support this claim; Wallach seems to have made it up.* (A colloid is "a substance that consists of particles dispersed throughout another substance which are too small for resolution with an ordinary light microscope but are incapable of passing through a semipermeable membrane." --Merriam-Webster)

And probably most important that cannot be overstated:

Wallach makes his claims about minerals despite the fact that in 1993 a research team from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia, reported the results of a 13-year study on 10,758 Americans which failed to find any mortality benefits from vitamin and mineral supplements. The study found that even though supplement users smoke and drink less than non-users, eat more fruits and vegetables than non-users, and are more affluent than non-users, they didn't live any longer than non-users. The study also found no benefit from taking vitamin and mineral supplements for smokers, heavy drinkers, or those with chronic diseases.

In May 2006, a committee of physicians impaneled by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced that little information exists as to whether people should take supplements. The previous March the NIH noted that research suggests that vitamins and other supplements may do more harm than good, and that antioxidants are of little use.* Further research has found that vitamin supplements can even be deadly.* The simple fact is that there is no compelling scientific evidence that vitamin or mineral supplements beneficially affect the health or longevity of most people. Those suffering from a vitamin or mineral deficiency should take supplements, but there is no merit to Wallach's claim that most or all diseases are due to mineral deficiencies.

Wallach's basic appeal is to offer hope to people who fear or are mistrustful of medical doctors and scientific knowledge. He gives hope to those who want to live for a really long time. He gives hope to those who are diagnosed with diseases for which current medical knowledge has no cure. He gives hope to those who want to avoid getting a terminal disease. And he gives hope to those who want to be healthy but who do not want to diet or exercise. All we have to do is ingest a magic elixir of colloidal minerals and we'll be healthy. You can't just take your minerals in pill form, he warns us. You must take the colloidal variety in liquid form. Until he had a falling out with T.J. Clark & Co., this elixir had to come from special pits in Utah. After John H. Renner, M.D., President of the National Council Against Health Fraud, exposed the "distortions, bogus science, and outright lies" in Wallach's tape, T.J. Clark & Co. "severed its business relationship with him."  Wallach then "revised his 'scientific' opinion and quickly moved on to find new partners."*

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Sorry for the long post, but it was important for this information to get out.
#37
Quote from: Jojo on November 17, 2017, 01:38:36 AM
Yes.  I play videos on one tab while I view material on another tab!  No sense staring st a still life photo of Wells!

Well, if you said "you had played a video on one tab in the background while viewing material in another", there would be no problem. However, "I listened to a video" is incorrect and not the proper syntax. That's all.

You are off base about Wells being "slow between words and having a lot of pauses". To say he has a relaxing, calm style is one thing, but if you really listened to one of his broadcasts -- not one where he's being interviewed -- you would know he reports stories and gives his editorial comments at a generally fast rate and speaks proper English, unlike another broadcaster i have in mind.
#38
Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 16, 2017, 11:10:34 PM
I wish the same to you and yours.  ;) Just please up your game on your radio show.  Be conversational with your guests rather than using the same old boring questions that you ask every other guest.  And please less infomercials.  Thank you and God bless.

A former Coast Rider

Lol, nice try. Let's see if it works. But I'm not sure a leopard can change its spots. Maybe George will prove me wrong.
#39
Quote from: Gnoory on November 16, 2017, 10:58:06 PM
Wishing you all a Happy Thanksgiving. Hope its enjoyable

You too, George. Mighty big of you to post on a thread dedicated to heavily criticizing you and your staff.
#40
Quote from: albrecht on November 16, 2017, 08:51:57 PM
I'm AMAZED though how many kids are on anti-depressives and anti-ADHD stuff though. At young ages. Ages in which, in my non-medical opinion, hormones and experiences are happening naturally. Not saying that some don't need but so many? Why now? Childhood or adolescence SUDDENLY such a trauma? And worse for those already "in the system." (Again, this could be understandable- those in government care, juvie, or foster homes likely 'have issues' but some of the audits here have shown meds given out like candy to them. For real problems? Or cheaper way to manage?) PCPs will also give out anti-depressants pretty liberally to senior citizens. Again, maybe needed (loss of spouse etc) but doesn't seem much oversight. I've heard in nursing homes etc lots of such pills given out. For help or management?

I don't agree with giving children/adolescents SSRI's either (perhaps ritalin is okay temporarily but should never be given long-term). I think that's a big problem as well and they're given way too liberally. Their brains are still developing at those ages and who know what kind effects those meds are having. There may be severe cases of children with extreme violent tendencies, so perhaps meds are the only answer in those cases.

I've noticed many kids these days being diagnosed with autism. That's something just not seen in previous generations. I think doctors may be confusing autism with depression or other mental condition and then wrongfully prescribe anti-depressants. Just a theory.

I don't see much of a problem with giving them to senior citizens, if they really need it. But what i don't understand is why they are given in such high doses... if a doctor truly must, they should start a person on the most minimal dose there is. 

In nursing homes i would guess more for management, to keep them docile and in a sedative state so they don't annoy the staff or something. Not saying it's the right thing to do.
#41
Quote from: albrecht on November 16, 2017, 08:29:56 PM
The other point the quacks don't mention when they throw out "stats" about the dangers of doctors and hospitals. Like a person going to a hospital is already, likely, has some problems so more likely to be a risk. Illegals who come in droves to ERs. That people, especially illegals and poor (not necessarily their fault) won't abide by doctor's advice (change diet, stop smoking, stop drinking so much, take their meds, exercise, etc) but come in once something becomes an acute, crisis situation- which by definition is already bad and so higher risk. Psych Meds a risk for suicide or aberrant behavior? Yes. But people seeking them out are already (usually) depressed (or whatever) so already a high risk for suicide etc.

Having said that. I do think there is LOTS wrong with our medical system and "big pharma." Popular advertising for meds. Meds prescribed by doctors for which they aren't totally qualified (why do primary care prescribed so much mental meds?) The painkiller issues. The VA crap. The bad food and lifestyles promoted by advertisers, Lack of follow up on patients. The whole insurance and billing issues and problems. Abagados and lawsuit abuses. The view by state agencies, especially for kids and vets, that everything, physical or mental, can be solved by a battery of pills (again without follow-ups or real diagnosis.) Faked, or bad, studies for certain Meds without 3rd party and real science behind them. Giving pills for purposes that aren't precisely approved for but off-label use. Over use of anti-biotics. And other things...

I'm not saying there aren't bad medical doctors, there surely are. There is good and bad in every group. PCP's won't usually prescribe anti-depressents or opiates.. they'll probably write you a referral to see another specialty if you have a big problem. Some Friends tell me their PCP's are scared to prescribe them something like vicodin.. i guess it;s the opioid crisis.. emergency health crisis in effect, go figure.

But you're right... hospitals that have to deal with high volumes ( on top of illegals), not everyone will receive proper medical care/attention and mistakes can happen, it's simply not possible to be perfect with everyone. Plus hospitals prioritize on how serious an injury someone comes in with. Those illegals shouldn't be here in the first place.. that's a national issue.
#42
Quote from: Jojo on November 16, 2017, 07:27:03 PM
Ok, yeah I listened to a video and I see that is his style.  But sometimes late at night, the pauses between words got so long I was sure he was taking a hit and holding his breath!

Ha, you're way off-base. You "listened" to a video?
#43
Quote from: Jojo on November 16, 2017, 08:01:55 PM
The patient did not face any risks that any other fuse patient doesn't face.  No unusual risks were present.  He was young and otherwise healthy.  Fusing vertebrae is simply barbaric, since vertebrae are MEANT to MOVE, rotating, bending, and twisting... all the time.  In this day and age of physical therapy and even deep tissue massage to teach the muscles to relax again, it is a disservice to recommend fusing vertebrae unless a person injuries are truly horrific, like from a car accident.

I know one patient who broke her shoulder.  During her time in a cast, she got carpal tunnel on her other side from over-using her other wrist (I really wonder what her husband was doing this whole time?  bon bons on the couch?)  Anyhow, she ended up having carpal tunnel surgery so now, over a year later, working full-time, she is still in horrible pain, and possibly becoming (it seems) addicted to painkillers, from having had two surgeries.  The fact is, there is a point under the arm, which when activated, reduces carpal tunnel syndrome.  But, doctors won't tell patients that, because doctors are biased (toward making money off surgery I guess).  Doctors push prescriptions and surgeries.

To further exemplify my point, this same woman has a car she just bought new, with less than 99.000 miles on it.  She trusts her dealer because he has always been honest.  Well, bingo for him, now he told her she needs a new $1800 AXEL and she fell for it.  Doctors are just like that.  Most people don't get a second opinion.  I have gotten 4 different opinions from 4 different medical professionals for the same condition!  Each recommendation was totally different than the other.  They tell you to do what will line their pockets.

I've known several people as well, (friends, relatives) who've had severe disc herniations and others who suffered of spinal stenosis, many due to accidents of one type or the other. They always told me their doctors told them surgery was an option but never forced it upon them... if they elected a different route (physical therapy, chiro/acupuncture) the doctor would support them in what they wanted to do. Some chose surgery because the pain became too unbearable and was chronic for years and years. After receiving the surgery the doctor gave a month or 2 of painkillers but afterwards they all related the surgery successful that put them back to normal.
#44
Quote from: Jojo on November 16, 2017, 07:46:50 PM
We are here to argue any point we see fit.  And, naturopathy saves lives and is not nonsense.  Allopathic medicine, on the other hand, kills people because of bias against naturopathy.

What do you think I am, a lawyer?  I'm just saying the things Doc Wallach says are true. 

What I am saying is that  the allopathic medical profession shirks its duties and allows patients to die not only through negligence, but because of bias and indoctrination.  There is no law a doctor can't prescribe an acid/alkaline alternating diet for a person with a bacterial infection.  But, doctors won't do it because it is not popular in their profession to do it.  So innocent victims die, of hospital-born diseases.

Did you know that hospital hand sanitizers don't kill E-Coli, but vinegar does.  So, be sure to wash your hands after touching anything at a hospital, because E-Coli could still be on them, and if your immune system is low because of a cold, a chronic condition, a disease, old age, debilitation, or any other reason, then your body might not be able to fight off the E-coli from the hospital restroom latch, because medical professionals are too indoctrinated and biased to simply wet a rag with vinegar periodically and wipe everything down.  If they did this, they might not have so many antibiotic-resistant infections, and might not have to shut down entire facilities to "sanitize them" after big outbreaks where innocent people die.

Innocent people die because medical professionals shirk common sense.  Doc Wallach, on the other hand, isn't killing anyone.  And he is helping many.

What part of what he says is true? that most diseases are caused by Nutritional deficiency? and these same diseases can be reversed by nutritional supplementation? That there is no such thing as genetic diseases? again they are all the result of nutritional deficiencies? I could add more things but i'm tired right now, perhaps tomorrow.

If so, why not give people a full list of the vitamins and minerals that could help them. Why does he charge exorbitant prices for them and suggest that you buy only from his website?

How do i know Wallach hasn't killed anyone? Probably not directly (I'd like to not think), but indirectly he could have caused numerous deaths based on faulty advice given; advice he's not qualified to give in the first place. You don't know his history. He's a vet, not a doctor, yet pretends to be one.
#45
Quote from: Jojo on November 16, 2017, 07:19:08 PM
I know a guy whose had fused vertebra.  He had a terrible time afterward.  To me, fusing vertebrae sounds like fusing fingers.  No reason to do it.  Limited mobility for life.

Well, of course there are risks to any surgery depending on the type of surgery and how serious the condition is with any given person. A reason to do it is not to be in terrible pain (probably requiring lots of opioids or other pain-killers) for the rest of one's life.  Spinal fusion is a common procedure done hundreds of thousands of times in the U.S. each year.

It's a decision left to that person. Sometimes it's not an easy one. I am pointing out that one should not base it on quack wallach's "medical advice".
#46
After totally garbling the story of a mass-shooting on Tuesday, Jorch did a story about a Da Vinci painting going for $450 million at auction and stated "...if Da Vinci knew it would go for that much he probably would of painted a few more."

Noory thinks everything is about money and making as much money as possible. Because he has this mindset, he believes everyone, even great figures of history, also must of had this mindset. If someone were to tell Jorch not everything is about money, he would most likely give you a blank stare.

Here are a few of Jorch's money-scheming adventures:

1) Partners with criticalhealthnews, along with snake-oil salesman Wallach.

2) Paranormal date - A match dot com ripoff site where he charges people (I don't know how much but it's probably a lot) to talk to each other/ and or date - (you think he'd be bragging by now about success stories from the site, but i haven't heard one yet.)

3) Beyond belief - his Internet-only tv show where i'm sure he's paid a percentage of the subscriber fees.

4) His so-called "books" he's "written". None have been best-sellers, but I'm sure Jorch keeps crossing his fingers.

5) His event and lunch date appearances set up by Fatty Dumbheiser.
#47
Quote from: username on November 16, 2017, 12:52:54 PM
John is correct, the guy was pulling huge numbers that the company hasn't seen in years. I'm pretty sure there was jealousy as there is in every business, it's a shame really. I stopped completely listening to c2c awhile back.

Thank you for the compliment and if you are interested.... here is some John Lear for you

https://youtu.be/cp9Bstgt1f8

Is John Lear the guy Noory set up a gofundme page so he can buy an air-conditioner?
#48
Quote from: albrecht on November 16, 2017, 01:23:43 PM
Only Norry can turn an awful crime into a laughing matter. I couldn't help but laugh when I heard him attempt to explain the story. "In the floorboards" was the best part. And his weird way of making nicknames (or, conversely, using the full name if the caller introduces himself by a nickname) is so bizarre. Another things about Norry is that he wants the show to be all about him. You will notice if there is an interesting guest or caller telling an interesting story or anecdote Norry will quickly cut-off and interject some inane question or some retold personal anecdote or something he pulled up on wikipedia.

I was listening to Clyde the other night and it struck me how he lets his guests or callers finish their thoughts, especially if they are sincere and not a troll caller or someone trying to score some political point.

If the caller/guest is telling a highly intellectual story with big words, that will shut noory up for a good awhile.. or it will make him resort to 7-year-old type questions, something like "What color car do you drive?".
#49
Quote from: ItsOver on November 16, 2017, 08:16:13 AM
I'm not a big John Wells fan but a Google of "John Wells George Noory" didn't pop-up a dynamic duo shot with both of them, at least in the first dozen images or so.  Is there a photo out there of John B. playing grab-ass with Noory, like some C2C "jokes" we know?   ;)



Not that i know of.
#50
Quote from: Here We Go Again on November 16, 2017, 02:03:02 AM
But know licensed medical providers have to operate under laws. Are you saying it's "OK" for George Noory to bring on paid sponsors, claim it's a "medical show" in which people call in and receive solid medical "recommendations"? Is that kind of nonsense what you are defending?

We are not here to argue whether licensed medical providers are right and wrong. We know of a certain overnight radio program that hosts guests that steer people away from doctors, act like a medical provider and then only recommend -- basically order -- such suckers to buy the unproven crap they sell at outrageous prices at that "criticalhealthnews(dot)com".

OK. Where is their legal responsibilities in that? Know that no disclaimers are aired that indicates the views of the host and the guests are for informational purposes only and not meant to replace consultation with a medical provider. Then, further, at daring to label callers as their "patients," sans ever seeing the person themselves, taking vital signs or drawing blood to be tested, sans any paperwork every licensed-medical provider requires...and you are OK with that? I'm not.

Again, the way those "alternative-health programs" are conducted should be scrutinized. If that's "news" or objective, editorial matter, I'm a monkey's uncle. Noory likes to brag about "the handful of emails he receives" for those who have been "helped," even though we never know whether they had a condition in the first place, but what about hearing from those who were lied to, cheated and maybe harmed? Not a word, huh?

I encourage people who suspect something shady going on to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission over "Coast To Coast AM" and its association with "criticalhealthnews(dot)com." Noory likes to brag "people will burn" or how he stands for the light and truth, but he is one to be questioned himself. The guy is a known fake. The guy thinks just because he "says it," it must be true. Baloney. He is not a nice person. That's obvious. He cares nothing about the health and welfare of his listeners. He talks and he talks. That's all he does.

He is out to sell you a bill of goods. That's his mode of operation, using the argumentum ad hominem in response to anyone who sees through him and that program. If he really cared, he'd air proper disclaimers and even perhaps fully disclose any and all business ties with that "criticalhealthnews(dot)com" sponsor, or Youngevity International itself, or whether "anything of value" is being exchanged for such "news" programs aired under Premiere Networks.

Check the "Coast" Twitter feed. Are any such posts sponsored? In other words, are sponsors having "news" posts inserted alongside the program's "editorial matter?" Sans disclosure that such posts are from a paid sponsor? Are they. If so, that's a big no-no -- one that could weaken the program's First Amendment rights. Ask any capable mass-media attorneys. They'll tell you the same things I am.

You've heard it from Noory himself: "All we want to do is help one person." One person? Imagine any licensed medical provider who claimed that? Any hospital? Just one? Noory implies that even if one thousand people seek out that snake-oil, and nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine get cheated, that's "OK" with him and his guests. Huh? Is that what you are defending? I hope not, in the name of proven medical science.

I found this nugget in the show notes that i meant to post last week but forgot to. I also heard Wallach spew this crap on 11/8 show:

"When it comes to the problem of scoliosis (curvature of the spine), one of the techniques he's (Wallach) found to be helpful is to hang people upside down on inversion tables."

That's right. Wallach and one of his many miracle cures. Let's just get rid of the medical specialties of Neuro-Surgery and Spine Specialist. They're no longer needed... Just ask "Doc" Wallet!

He even stated that those who elect surgery to correct their spinal condition, that that's akin to medieval torture because they "stick rods in your back" that make people scream. Hmm.. I wonder if he's ever heard of anesthesia before and during surgery?
#51
Quote from: Jojo on November 16, 2017, 12:58:05 AM
Was he just tired late at night?  Does he always talk so sllwly, with pauses between words?  I don't know much about him, because when he got slow, I would turn it off.

Don't know what you're talking about. I've never encountered this with John Wells.
#52
Quote from: username on November 14, 2017, 10:01:55 PM
That is correct, hi mike.

Hi. Just heard the entire interview, you did a good job.

Hehe... John said that he was pulling in 1.2 million listeners on Saturday night when he was still host of C2C.  More listeners than the whole week combined (the ones Noory hosted) during that period. He said that made some people upset... hmm, i wonder who.
#54
Quote from: username on November 14, 2017, 05:40:25 PM
It's been a few months since I've heard it, I'll go back and listen and give you an accurate quote. I asked one of the talent less hacks who works there, about John, I was told "we don't talk about John anymore, he did some things that he shouldn't have done". That's what I was told by the cardiomyopathy victim.

Pretty much how George acted when he was asked about it by callers.
#55
Quote from: username on November 14, 2017, 05:29:14 PM

When I interviewed JBW, I asked him specifically about that call.

What did he say about it? I assume it was probably a non-issue for him,
#57
Quote from: ItsOver on November 11, 2017, 07:47:56 AM
Church is Snooron's even sleazier bro.  He sounds like a Wolfman Jack-wannabee, loaded down with gold bling, who hawks fake Rolex watches on a street corner.

Here's Yimmy kissing Jorch's ring butt.



It's clear Jorch will only pick guest hosts (Knapp being the exception) that will suck and have low ratings among the audience to keep on par with his low rating ass.

Case in point, is what he did to John Wells, who was by far the best C2C host since Art Bell.

Listen at 6:48 to Jorch's condescending response to a caller inquiring about John Wells. Snoory has no morals!

https://youtu.be/wisOlk-7m5g
#58
Quote from: Jojo on November 11, 2017, 09:28:40 PM
The way he says, "Hallooooooouuuuoooouuuuoooo" to female callers, ugh.

George thinks he is a playboy millionaire that the women just love.
#59
Quote from: ItsOver on November 10, 2017, 11:08:12 AM
And even with Jorch "on assignment," "living la vida loca" and continuing his search for "thuh trooth!," the suck continues with grease meister Jimmy and a DeLonge flunkie.  :P

DATE
Friday - November 10, 2017
HOST
Jimmy Church
GUESTS
Peter Levenda,    Open Lines
Historian, researcher and specialist in esoterica Peter Levenda joins Jimmy Church (email) to discuss his collaboration with Tom DeLonge and his work speaking with officials at the highest levels of government, military and industry who hold secrets to some of the most intriguing questions about UFOs and our universe. Followed by Open Lines in the latter half.





Will Jorch do another sing and dance number at these shows?
#60
Quote from: Deeyeennoveeyetee E. on November 09, 2017, 01:30:06 AM
Dr. Bullshit claims of the past 5 minutes (paraphrasing):
1. “I got a 65 year old woman to become pregnant taking my healthy vitamins and and eating 20 eggs a day, and I do this with around... um... 25,000 women a year......”
2. “I had a Canadian billionaire, who was terminal with Parkinson’s Disease, completely free of all symptoms in just a few weeks, by taking some silly vitamins.”

George: “And again... we don’t say ‘cure’ here...”
Dr. B: “No we don’t say cure, we just get the body to repair things and reverse things...”

🙄

Wallet claimed in a program in the past that he can completely treat Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's disease. The unbelievable arrogance of this quack... Fox has millions and probably sees the best doctors to treat his disease, yet this snake-oil salesman believes if Fox just gets in touch with him, he'll be Parkinson's free.

Wallet sounds like a sniveling snake when he speaks.
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