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Started by Taaroa, June 04, 2017, 09:15:23 AM

Uncle Duke

Quote from: ItsOver on March 27, 2019, 08:50:04 AM
I still remember that horrific crash at O'Hare, when an AA DC-10 dropped an engine on the runway.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191



That mishap provided an essay question on my final exam in "Applied Aerodynamics" taken shortly afterwards.

The AA DC-10s were the first to have a video camera installed in the cockpit, allowing the passenger to see what pilots saw on takeoff and landing.  After this mishap, that feature was quietly deleted after it was revealed the passengers watched themselves die.





albrecht

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on April 04, 2019, 05:49:32 PM

flybmi?   Guess all the good names had all been taken.............
I think more of this phenomena that companies use when some marketers get a hold of them. Change the name to seem more "trendy" or something. Seen with utilities, airlines, even laundry products. I guess sometimes it works but you also risk losing your name recognition that you already invest a lot of time/effort in. On the other hand, sometimes, maybe even an airline, might WANT to lose name recognition depending on incidents, delays, crappy service, scandals, etc?  In some ways I miss small turbo-pop puddle jumper flights. Entry from tarmac, stewardesses often telling people to move to different seats for weight issues (always somewhat alarmed me,) usually not full so plenty of time to drink and talk to stewardesses, etc.


Quote from: Taaroa on April 08, 2019, 06:19:15 AM
Piaggio Aerospace is in a bit of trouble, and now the Italian government are stepping in to try and help it survive.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2019-03-29/piaggio-aerospace-aims-find-buyer-april-2020
https://www.janes.com/article/87731/italian-mod-considers-renewing-p-180-avanti-fleet
http://www.ansa.it/liguria/notizie/2019/04/03/piaggio-aero-trenta-drone-da-rivedere_aaec3c67-e1b8-41ab-aa8b-94a5c419ddb5.html




Seems like a bit of an odd company. At least according to the source I was looking at it.  Shows that they produced the Piaggio P.166 in 1957 and then the pictured
Piaggio P.180 Avanti in 1986 and then really nothing since then.   Two birds in 60 years?   


Kidnostad3

Quote from: Uncle Duke on April 09, 2019, 01:44:35 PM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-defence-f35-idUSKCN1RL1FJ

Ouch!  F-35B(STOVAL) @ $107.5 mil per copy plus $11.5 mil investment in pilot training.  Whether the plane crashed or the pilot went full stealth and flew it to China, it's a hell of a loss.






Kidnostad3

Quote from: Uncle Duke on April 09, 2019, 07:56:04 PM
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/04/10/national/air-self-defense-force-fighter-jet-disappears-radar-pacific/#.XK1MCRkpA0M

Latest as of a few minutes ago, debris has been found, pilot still missing.


I don't know what the statistics are but there is nearly always a period in the introduction/transition to new military aircraft in which incidents/accidents occurr.  (A relatively recent and prominent case in point is the Osprey.)     I doubt that the F-35 is any worse in this regard than it's predecessors. 

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on April 10, 2019, 10:02:33 AM

I don't know what the statistics are but there is nearly always a period in the introduction/transition to new military aircraft in which incidents/accidents occurr.  (A relatively recent and prominent case in point is the Osprey.)     I doubt that the F-35 is any worse in this regard than it's predecessors.

Yep, happens every time there is a significant technological and/or performance advancement.  Osprey is a great example, as were the "Century Series" fighters in the 50s and F-111 of the 60s. On the other hand, the high fidelity simulators of today are counted on to cut down the number of mishaps due to pilot error/inexperience.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Uncle Duke on April 10, 2019, 11:11:25 AM
Yep, happens every time there is a significant technological and/or performance advancement.  Osprey is a great example, as were the "Century Series" fighters in the 50s and F-111 of the 60s. On the other hand, the high fidelity simulators of today are counted on to cut down the number of mishaps due to pilot error/inexperience.

That's true.  In a former life I had some peripheral exposure to the modern trainers you refer to as they were being developed and introduced within the various naval warfare communities.  Having had earlier hands-on experience with submarine trainers, I recall being more than just a little impressed with the increased realism and the variety of combat scenarios/casualty conditions they could replicate. 


Uncle Duke

Quote from: Taaroa on April 11, 2019, 05:16:12 AM
No footage of this, sadly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter_Tower_Bridge_incident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gavx54dKYvI

I'd seen various aviation art prints of a Hunter flying through the Tower Bridge, but never knew the backstory.  Hard to believe he was cleared of any wrongdoing in 1982.

This story reminded me of the RCAF pilot who flew his Mosquito under the Eiffel Tower during WWII.


Hog

Quote from: Uncle Duke on April 11, 2019, 08:19:16 AM
I'd seen various aviation art prints of a Hunter flying through the Tower Bridge, but never knew the backstory.  Hard to believe he was cleared of any wrongdoing in 1982.

This story reminded me of the RCAF pilot who flew his Mosquito under the Eiffel Tower during WWII.
William Overstreet Jr


In 2009 he was awarded the French Legion of Merit


peace
Hog





Uncle Duke

Quote from: Taaroa on April 22, 2019, 09:03:48 AM


The 17th Bomb Wing was stationed at WPAFB as I was growing up, seeing the B-52s and KC-135s launch one after another was really something to see during exercises.  Only time they launched for real that I personally witnessed was in 1973 when Nixon put the country at Defcon 3 when the Soviets were preparing to intervene unilaterally in the Yom Kippur war.  A couple of my friends' Dads were B-52 aircrew, they were really shook.



Uncle Duke

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on April 22, 2019, 08:31:27 PM
Didn't know any of them still existed, yet alone in flyable condition.  Looks like a grease spot - too bad.
Don't imagine the fly boy fared to well.

Yeah, sadly the pilot was killed.

I saw this aircraft at Chino several years ago, but only on static display, not in flight. When I worked on the B-2 program, the guy who was the flight systems lead for Northrop was a gent in his early 70s. He both worked on the initial design team for this a/c in the 40s and then in the late 1980s when I worked with him he was one of volunteers who refurbished it.

Jackstar

He died doing what he loved. At least he didn't sell it to China.

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