Random Political Thoughts

[AZZERAE]

I believe that Western Civilization is far superior to it's counterparts on the planet.  I do not want to see my Country become some sort of a wretched hybrid (or more accurrately lowbrid) of a once proud and posperous nation and an aggregation of the shit hole theocracies from whence come Muslims, just as Germany, France and the U.K. have become. 

I've actually been to London  and other European capitals pre and post influx of Muslim immigrees.  There is no question that the atmosphere, culture and functionality of those cities have been badly degraded by the presence of what amounts to hardened enclaves of Muslim peoples who in no way share the political and societal values of their hosts and are taught by their  religious leaders to shun them.   My question to you is how can you fail to recognize this?  Unless of course you are yourself a Muslim. 

Islamazation of major cities has already begun in the U.S., most notably in the greater Detroit and Minneapolis areas.  Nothing good can come from adding to the problem we already have and we need to get smarter about controlling immigration into the U.S. than we have been.  Witnessing the state in which most of Europe finds itself with its growing and chronically restive Muslim population gives us plenty of incentive.

It’s not paranoia if they’re really out to get you. 🙄

[Jackstar]

I believe that Western Civilization is far superior to it's counterparts on the planet.

Since you like Western Civilization so much, you should probably check out what it's based on.

[Jackstar]

Muslims are a tiny proportion of your population

tiny proportion

I don't think you're any good at math, Chief.

[SredniVashtar]

We also have 'tiny proportions of our population' that seem to have changed the environment of our bathrooms/locker rooms, affected women's sports, and make up about 50% of our prison population.

Thank God you scored a prison cell with free WiFi, so you could pontificate to all us lower life forms.

Oh, go and read a book rather than some scaremongering website. Let me know if you're struggling with the big words.

[Jackstar]

they have a much more progressive view of society as a whole and will put people back on their feet out of a sense of duty. And they don't believe in usury either.

https://www.quora.com/How-much-will-non-Muslims-have-to-pay-as-Jizya-under-our-future-Islamic-rule

You see the worst aspects of a culture and assume it's like that everywhere

"It is important to know that the law in the Islamic State applies to everyone; both Muslims and non-Muslims equally."

Is it Muslims who try to eliminate scientific education in your schools? Or tell women what they are allowed to do with their bodies, or what biological research they are allowed to do? No, that's all down to Christianity.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-primary-differences-between-Christianity-and-Catholicism



I found some web sources that are aligned to your intellect. Have fun!

[Jackstar]

go and read a book

blistering irony

[pyewacket]

Oh, go and read a book rather than some scaremongering website. Let me know if you're struggling with the big words.

Big words have never bothered me- I just skip over them. Welcome back, sweetie.

[SredniVashtar]

Big words have never bothered me- I just skip over them. Welcome back, sweetie.

Thank you, dear. I resent that remark about a prison cell, there is such a thing as an ankle bracelet.

[SredniVashtar]

I don't think you're any good at math, Chief.

Did your parents have any children that lived?

[AZZERAE]

Too many Indians; not enough Chiefs.

[SredniVashtar]

I believe that Western Civilization is far superior to it's counterparts on the planet.  I do not want to see my Country become some sort of a wretched hybrid (or more accurrately lowbrid) of a once proud and posperous nation and an aggregation of the shit hole theocracies from whence come Muslims, just as Germany, France and the U.K. have become. 

I've actually been to London  and other European capitals pre and post influx of Muslim immigrees.  There is no question that the atmosphere, culture and functionality of those cities have been badly degraded by the presence of what amounts to hardened enclaves of Muslim peoples who in no way share the political and societal values of their hosts and are taught by their  religious leaders to shun them.   My question to you is how can you fail to recognize this?  Unless of course you are yourself a Muslim. 

Islamazation of major cities has already begun in the U.S., most notably in the greater Detroit and Minneapolis areas.  Nothing good can come from adding to the problem we already have and we need to get smarter about controlling immigration into the U.S. than we have been.  Witnessing the state in which most of Europe finds itself with its growing and chronically restive Muslim population gives us plenty of incentive.

I'd be curious to know how many Muslims you are acquainted with rather than getting your info from Fox News. The major difference is that Muslims tend to take religion more seriously than other people. That's a threat to Americans, particularly, who get freaked out by any suggestion that life isn't purely materialistic.

Muslims tend to bond together, but that's hardly surprising when they see people like you who drop their knitting if they see another culture. I think all this anti-muslim stuff has bubbled up recently because all the recent terrorists have been white and they are trying to change the subject.

[Jackstar]

anti-muslim stuff has bubbled up recently

Your continued failure to recognize the distinct differences between, say, Catholicism and Christianity, or Wahhabism and Islam, does not go far to establish your street cred on these issues.

[albrecht]

Interesting times.   

https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/anti-zionist-imam-delivers-opening-prayers-in-the-us-house-of-representativeshttps://www.jta.org/quick-reads/anti-zionist-imam-delivers-opening-prayers-in-the-us-house-of-representatives 


https://nypost.com/2019/05/10/louis-farrakhan-rails-against-satanic-jews-in-wake-of-facebook-ban/ 

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/louis-farrakhan-father-pfleger-st-sabina-anti-semitism-defiant-response-facebook-ban/ 

And in Germany consternation and hand-wringing over their anthem due to the 'controversial' past, controversy about 'nationalism,' and calls to change it or, at least, update it like Canada did to be 'gender neutral.' 

https://www.france24.com/en/20190510-row-over-german-anthem-erupts-amid-nationalism-debate

[Jackstar]

Interesting times.   

https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/anti-zionist-imam-delivers-opening-prayers-in-the-us-house-of-representativeshttps://www.jta.org/quick-reads/anti-zionist-imam-delivers-opening-prayers-in-the-us-house-of-representatives 

Suleiman has a long record of incendiary social media statements about Israel, as compiled two years ago by Petra Marquardt-Bigman, a researcher, and posted on the Algeimeiner Jewish news site. He has on multiple occasions wished for a third Palestinian Intifada, or violent uprising, likened Israeli troops to Nazis, and has wished for the end of Zionism, calling Zionists “the enemies of God.” He is a backer of the boycott Israel movement.

... I could drink with this guy!

[albrecht]

... I could drink with this guy!

Alas most of these hardcore Muslims don't drink, at least in public or in their own country. But, then some, like the Saudis go off the rails with drinking and debauchery when they aren't at home.

[Kidnostad3]

Alas most of these hardcore Muslims don't drink, at least in public or in their own country. But, then some, like the Saudis go off the rails with drinking and debauchery when they aren't at home.

Hey, I would never fault someone for having a good old fashioned debauch now and again. 

[Jackstar]

hardcore Muslims don't drink

I haven't drank alcohol in like seven weeks. I'm not likely to be dancing around a rock from space any time soon though. I can't wait to ask him that over Gatorade.

[albrecht]

I haven't drank alcohol in like seven weeks. I'm not likely to be dancing around a rock from space any time soon though. I can't wait to ask him that over Gatorade.

Please broadcast your conversation with him. Lots of interesting topics to cover. Maybe put it up on the UFOship Network?  You better check an Imam first. There might be something about Gatorade that is haram.

Speaking of. Soros "invests" in another media company. 

https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/vice-media-250-million-debt-funding-george-soros-1203205076/ 

[Kidnostad3]

I'd be curious to know how many Muslims you are acquainted with rather than getting your info from Fox News. The major difference is that Muslims tend to take religion more seriously than other people. That's a threat to Americans, particularly, who get freaked out by any suggestion that life isn't purely materialistic.

Muslims tend to bond together, but that's hardly surprising when they see people like you who drop their knitting if they see another culture. I think all this anti-muslim stuff has bubbled up recently because all the recent terrorists have been white and they are trying to change the subject.

I have known 6 or seven personally.  As a matter of fact we took a friend of my daughter when she was 8 or 9 named Fatima on vacation with us to Florida.  Her family were neighbors of ours in Va. Beach and were practicing Muslims although no one wore a burka. 

I have no problem with devout believers of any religion.  Who I do have a problem with are those Muslims who want to subordinate our laws to Sharia Law or otherwise adapt our culture to their's.  Things like female circumcision, honor killings, grown men marrying pre pubescent girls and other barbaric 14th century practices are a big fucking no no for me. 

[Jackstar]

Things like female circumcision

[albrecht]

I have known 6 or seven personally.  As a matter of fact we took a friend of my daughter when she was 8 or 9 named Fatima on vacation with us to Florida.  Her family were neighbors of ours in Va. Beach and were practicing Muslims although no one wore a burka. 

I have no problem with devout believers of any religion.  Who I do have a problem with are those Muslims who want to subordinate our laws to Sharia Law or otherwise adapt our culture to their's.  Things like female circumcision, honor killings, grown men marrying pre pubescent girls and other barbaric 14th century practices are a big fucking no no for me.

I'm good friends with a Muslim family but they left Pakistan early on. They mention interesting things. For one that the "British were the best thing" to happen to the region because they left a legal and educational system which was much better than what was there (nothing or caste based.) And that Saudi money is responsible for the backwards nature of Pakistan and the region today. She mentions when she was a teen they had dances, she could go to movies, girls went to school. Now when she returns to see relatives (he refuses to go back and is secular) she is escorted to the family compound in a car with shades drawn and never leaves the compound because a woman in public, terrorism, citizen's doing "moral correction." Also he points out that Islam was ok in the beginning because the region was so chaotic, backwards, and violent and initially Islam gave a bit more rule-of-law, and even food safety, to the region but now is going backwards and Saudi money/theory is to blame. They make schools in poor Islamic countries and give propaganda instead of education to the children.

[Asuka Langley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMGapwt21vc

[Kidnostad3]

I haven't drank alcohol in like seven weeks. I'm not likely to be dancing around a rock from space any time soon though. I can't wait to ask him that over Gatorade.

No alcohol in seven weeks yet you remain the charming bon vivant and urbane wit that you have always been.  Amazing.   

[SredniVashtar]

I have known 6 or seven personally.  As a matter of fact we took a friend of my daughter when she was 8 or 9 named Fatima on vacation with us to Florida.  Her family were neighbors of ours in Va. Beach and were practicing Muslims although no one wore a burka. 

I have no problem with devout believers of any religion.  Who I do have a problem with are those Muslims who want to subordinate our laws to Sharia Law or otherwise adapt our culture to their's.  Things like female circumcision, honor killings, grown men marrying pre pubescent girls and other barbaric 14th century practices are a big fucking no no for me.

That's not much of a sample size considering there is over a billion of them. Most of the things you cite are cultural rather than religious. If you're so bothered about people marrying young girls then take it up with the Mormons too. The fact is people gradually adapt to their host country, unless they feel threatened when they naturally gravitate towards traditional beliefs.

A lot of people over there seem to want a full on race war. They quote the Constitution like it's a holy text yet think freedom of religion only applies to them. People hate Islam the same way they hate socialism, because it puts forward a view of life based on the community rather than the individual and many find this threatening.

[Kidnostad3]

That's not much of a sample size considering there is over a billion of them. Most of the things you cite are cultural rather than religious. If you're so bothered about people marrying young girls then take it up with the Mormons too. The fact is people gradually adapt to their host country, unless they feel threatened when they naturally gravitate towards traditional beliefs.

A lot of people over there seem to want a full on race war. They quote the Constitution like it's a holy text yet think freedom of religion only applies to them. People hate Islam the same way they hate socialism, because it puts forward a view of life based on the community rather than the individual and many find this threatening.

That would be one of the many rationalizations offered by post modernists to explain why so many reject the extreme brand of socialism that they espouse.  A better explanation would be that wherever it has been practiced it has brought about tyranny and suffering on a grand scale. I won't bother to again name past and present socialist regimes of which this is true since it is literally all of them and we are reminded of this every day in news reports. 

[albrecht]

That's not much of a sample size considering there is over a billion of them. Most of the things you cite are cultural rather than religious. If you're so bothered about people marrying young girls then take it up with the Mormons too. The fact is people gradually adapt to their host country, unless they feel threatened when they naturally gravitate towards traditional beliefs.

A lot of people over there seem to want a full on race war. They quote the Constitution like it's a holy text yet think freedom of religion only applies to them. People hate Islam the same way they hate socialism, because it puts forward a view of life based on the community rather than the individual and many find this threatening.

Really? What happens when the bung is removed from the keg and the beer not even checked? The borders are totally open? When the majority becomes, within a decade, a minority? When ghettos are instantly created? Do the immigrants/invaders adopt? And to what extent? Especially when there is an odd Fifth Column like native population- or maybe one with allegiances elsewhere originally but hidden- who desire and promote the vast migration and insist on other languages used legally, changing laws to "accommodate," etc?

[albrecht]

That would be one of the many rationalizations offered by post modernists to explain why so many reject the extreme brand of socialism that they espouse.  A better explanation would be that wherever it has been practiced it has brought about tyranny and suffering on a grand scale. I won't bother to again name past and present socialist regimes of which this is true since it is literally all of them.

There is, however, a perverse method in their madness. Though not recognized by most of their supporters and adherents: Lumpenproletariat, fellow-travelers, useful idiots, SJWs, student activists, etc.

[SredniVashtar]

That would be one of the many rationalizations offered by post modernists to explain why so many reject the extreme brand of socialism that they espouse.  A better explanation would be that wherever it has been practiced it has brought about tyranny and suffering on a grand scale. I won't bother to again name past and present socialist regimes of which this is true since it is literally all of them and we are reminded of this every day in news reports.

Most people aren't talking about extreme socialism, they're talking about adjusting the system so that everyone is guaranteed a decent life, not just the fortunate few. You love to pretend that socialism leads to tyranny, but it's simply not true, as you see with most of Europe, which adopts certain policies which suit them. Otherwise you end up with obscenities like this:

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/05/09/health/teacher-breast-cancer-substitute-pay-trnd/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

As I keep explaining, the worst examples come from undeveloped economies that make it easier for corruption.

[WOTR]

Most people aren't talking about extreme socialism, they're talking about adjusting the system so that everyone is guaranteed a decent life, not just the fortunate few. You love to pretend that socialism leads to tyranny, but it's simply not true, as you see with most of Europe, which adopts certain policies which suit them.

Have you looked into mass surveillance and restrictive laws? Don't get me wrong- it is not just countries with socialist policies but all of them. I just think it is a little early in the game to declare that we are not heading at a breakneck speed towards tyranny. The nice part is that while governments are busy collecting this data, they are also crafting laws to support it and weapons to put down opposition.

Have you looked at your government's "snoopers charter" and the data they are now collecting under your amazing "investigatory powers act?" I know- I should't worry that it will be misused. It is only there to prevent terrorism.  :

[SredniVashtar]

Have you looked into mass surveillance and restrictive laws? Don't get me wrong- it is not just countries with socialist policies but all of them. I just think it is a little early in the game to declare that we are not heading at a breakneck speed towards tyranny. The nice part is that while governments are busy collecting this data, they are also crafting laws to support it and weapons to put down opposition.

Have you looked at your government's "snoopers charter" and the data they are now collecting under your amazing "investigatory powers act?" I know- I should't worry that it will be misused. It is only there to prevent terrorism.  :

People get tyranny when they don't understand their own interests and are more concerned with putting down other groups instead. Look at all the Trump voters who would gladly see him be a dictator if they thought it would help defeat their enemies. There are far more of us than of them, yet we end up getting the wrong end of the stick because we are more concerned with factional squabbles and don't manage to get organised. The most effective tyranny will always be the one that doesn't feel like a tyranny because you won't have to spend so much time dealing with dissent. That's why the obsession with the 2nd Amendment is so ridiculous; you won't resist tyranny by owning guns, that's just a security blanket for the ignorant. You will have more of a chance by staying informed and participating in the democratic process.