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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 28, 2017, 04:32:14 PM
I think that's happening and you're intelligent enough to be able understand that the chaos and turmoil is just the globalists fighting back against this. Swamp draining takes time and must be done right. Or did you expect things to magically change on week one?

I was referring to the chaos and turmoil HE is causing.  I'm fully aware of the swamp and their activity.

Quote from: Gd5150 on November 28, 2017, 06:28:03 PM
You’re making the same mistake most of the establishment republicans make; “If we bend over and be nice, demokkkrats will give us a chance”. No they won’t. Just a few things leftwing lemmings and their slavemasters said...

That was not the point.  At all.  Reagan was the template for how to get things done in the swamp.  Trump isn't Reagan, and shouldn't try to be, but I don't remember Reagan ever shooting himself in the foot the way Trump seems to do on a daily basis.  I don't remember an endless stream of stupid comments either.  When he made a mistake, it got fixed and he never made it again.  What I do recall was him winning legislative victory after legislative victory with a House AND Sentate both in Democrat hands.  So far I haven't seen a single Trump legislative victory, and his party holds both houses.

Reagan increased his support as he went along.  His support in the 1984 election was stronger than in 1980.  In 1988 people voted for Bush, hoping for a proxy for a thrid Reagan term.  Right now I don't even see Trump winning a second term, or the Rs holding the House or Senate next year.


Your post is an example of not understanding something because you don't want to understand it.  I couldn't care less about Trump or Reagan or the Republican Party - they are simply vessels for getting what's best for the country done, not some personality cult for a billionaire with the temperment of a toddler. 

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on November 28, 2017, 10:06:28 PM
I was referring to the chaos and turmoil HE is causing. 

I await your list of his transgressions.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 28, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
I await your list of his transgressions.

You seriously wouldn't be able to come up with a list yourself?

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on November 28, 2017, 10:27:29 PM
You seriously wouldn't be able to come up with a list yourself?

Afraid not. What's wrong with this country is what was wrong with it before he was elected. It seems to me he's persistently fighting against this and has made some significant headway in doing so. Of course, there's still lots to be done.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 28, 2017, 10:31:33 PM
Afraid not...

Well, ok.  I guess you'll be scratching your head wondering what happened to all the ''winning'' when this reaches it's natural conclusion.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 28, 2017, 10:31:33 PM
... What's wrong with this country is what was wrong with it before he was elected...

Yes, that's true.  What does that have to do with my posts about the missteps due to hubris in addressing them?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 28, 2017, 10:31:33 PM
... It seems to me he's persistently fighting against this and has made some significant headway in doing so. Of course, there's still lots to be done.

Yes, much that he can have ordered to be done is being done.  Unfortunatly some things need to be passed by the legislature.  Others need to be set in motion by a competent staff. 

He didn't appoint a competent staff, choose his cabinet well, or make alliances with key members of the Congress.  Who is responsible for that?


Jackstar

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on November 28, 2017, 11:18:24 PM
didn't make alliances with key cunt members of the Congress


That's too bad.

Jackstar

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on November 28, 2017, 11:10:57 PM
when this reaches it's natural conclusion.


the possessive form is without apostrophe

also you're a faggot

Quote from: Jackstar on November 28, 2017, 11:51:53 PM
the possessive form is without apostrophe...

Dang, I bet someone you wouldn't notice


Quote from: Jackstar on November 28, 2017, 11:51:53 PM
... also you're a faggot

I'm just trying to get you and MV to make up.  Is it working?


Quote from: PB the Deplorable on November 28, 2017, 10:04:36 PM
I expected repeal of ObamaCare, implementation of a common sense immigration policy, control of the border, a cut on business taxes, and even a reorganization of the bloated, useless, federal government bureaucracy and a start on reducing the deficit and national debt.  You know, ''the agenda''.  Most of which was promised ''on Day 1''.  And all of which requires legislation that is going to have a lot of detractors, make a lot of enemies, and cost a few people their seats.

The media and the Democrats expected it too, which is why they've behaved in such a panicked, over the top, dishonest, disgusting (even for them) manner.

With a razor thin Senate majority, did it really make sense to insult McCain and enough others who were never really with him anyway to sink any legislation that came up?  When he could have gone on a charm offensive, he decided to be an asshole instead.  How's that working in getting wavering Senators to vote his way?  I'm thinking maybe things work a little differently dealing with Congress than the way things worked bossing around his employees at Trump Towers?


Exactly.  Well-said.  His infantile behavior only isolates himself even further.  If he doesn't get more of the agenda passed then his administration will be judged a joke and he, an embarrassment to the country.  To half of the population he is already those things but if he gets nothing done the other 50% will join them.  Well, except for the rabid Trump loyalists anyway.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 29, 2017, 12:35:59 AM

Exactly.  Well-said.  His infantile behavior only isolates himself even further.  If he doesn't get more of the agenda passed then his administration will be judged a joke and he, an embarrassment to the country.  To half of the population he is already those things but if he gets nothing done the other 50% will join them.  Well, except for the rabid Trump loyalists anyway. Except for those wanting and expecting real change.

FIFY  ;)

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 29, 2017, 01:06:08 AM
FIFY  ;)

I want real change but his stupid tweets and comments are keeping him from implementing it.  He is his own worst enemy.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 29, 2017, 12:35:59 AM

Exactly.  Well-said.  His infantile behavior only isolates himself even further.  If he doesn't get more of the agenda passed then his administration will be judged a joke and he, an embarrassment to the country.  To half of the population he is already those things but if he gets nothing done the other 50% will join them.  Well, except for the rabid Trump loyalists anyway.

Does anyone know how those rabid Schwarzennegger loyalists are doing?

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 29, 2017, 01:11:46 AM
I want real change but his stupid tweets and comments are keeping him from implementing it.  He is his own worst enemy.

He ran on it, we voted for it, the country has given the presidency, the House, the Senate, and most of the state governments to the Rs.  So where are the changes?

Trump is the de facto leader of the party.  It's his job to set the legislative agenda.  Yes, bills originate in the House, but nothing passes into law without the president's signature.  It's common for the Administration to have allies in Congress introduce legislation, drive it through comittee, and onto the floor for a vote.  It falls to the president to signal what he will sign, what is a deal killer, and to use his substantial ability to bang heads together and get things done.  He isn't doing any of this publicly, and based on the shitty legislation that's been drafted and rejected, and the lack of movement on anything else, he isn't doing it behind the scenes either.

Anyone coming into office would have hired someone with exceptional skills in guiding legislation, and who has excellent relations at least with key members of his own party.  It is even more imperative for someone with zero government experience to do so.  Instead, he hired people like Rinse Preebus, who everyone (except him, apparently) knew was loyal to the establishment Rs and was his (Trump's) enemy (notice how the leaking stopped the day Preebus was fired?).

Trump didn't do any of that, and isn't doing any of that.  That's all on him.  If he were publicly seen sending up legislation to the Congress, and demanding they pass it, the country would be behind him and it would be getting done.  My suggestion is to put down the iphone, let his spokesman do the talking, find some people who can actually help him, and start the ball rolling on this stuff.  If Congress doesn't cooperate, suddenly the spotlight's on them and they'll start geting angry phone call from constiuents.  This isn't that difficult.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 29, 2017, 01:11:46 AM
I want real change but his stupid tweets and comments are keeping him from implementing it.  He is his own worst enemy.

Yeah, that must be it. It couldn't be the entrenched obstructionist establishment waging war on him and all things conservative.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on November 29, 2017, 01:17:12 AM
Does anyone know how those rabid Schwarzennegger loyalists are doing?

I was spending some months in California when Arnie was first elected and I was excited but then he started talking about working with Democrats and passing their agenda and I threw him under the bus.

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: 21st Century Man on November 29, 2017, 12:35:59 AM

Exactly.  Well-said.  His infantile behavior only isolates himself even further.  If he doesn't get more of the agenda passed then his administration will be judged a joke and he, an embarrassment to the country.  To half of the population he is already those things but if he gets nothing done the other 50% will join them.  Well, except for the rabid Trump loyalists anyway.

Haha! Half the population?! Trump, who lost the popular vote to a widely unpopular opponent, was elected by 306 electoral votes - in other words, .000051% of the nation. There is no president in modern history who was less popular than Trump. Rock bottom. He knows he 'won' but is still a loser, and takes perverse joy in peoples' disdain for him. He will quit before he's taken away, Tweeting a big "Fuck You" on his way out the door.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 29, 2017, 01:34:16 AM
Yeah, that must be it. It couldn't be the entrenched obstructionist establishment waging war on him and all things conservative.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

As a concept you understand there can be more than one problem when something isn't working well, right?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 29, 2017, 01:34:16 AM
Yeah, that must be it. It couldn't be the entrenched obstructionist establishment waging war on him and all things conservative.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Sure they are doing that too but they don't do near the amount of harm he does to himself.  We all know the Republican/Democratic/media Establishment is against him and we take that into account.  There are many people like me who want Trump's agenda to be implemented but get turned off by his embarrassingly infantile behavior.

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on November 29, 2017, 01:37:21 AM
Haha! Half the population?! Trump, who lost the popular vote to a widely unpopular opponent, was elected by 306 electoral votes - in other words, .000051% of the nation. There is no president in modern history who was less popular than Trump. Rock bottom. He knows he 'won' but is still a loser and takes perverse joy in peoples' disdain for him. He will quit before he's taken away, Tweeting a big "Fuck You" on his way out the door.

Can you explain how 306 Electoral Votes equals .000051% ?  My math skills must not be up to date.

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on November 29, 2017, 01:37:21 AM
Haha! Half the population?! Trump, who lost the popular vote...

Actually, when adjusted for the illegal alien vote and other fraud he won the popular vote.  There's really no question about it.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on November 29, 2017, 01:37:26 AM
As a concept you understand there can be more than one problem when something isn't working well, right?

Sure but you're concentrating on curing the patient's dandruff when they're bleeding to death. The patient is the country in the metaphor, not Trump.

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on November 29, 2017, 01:37:21 AM
Haha! Half the population?! Trump, who lost the popular vote to a widely unpopular opponent, was elected by 306 electoral votes - in other words, .000051% of the nation. There is no president in modern history who was less popular than Trump. Rock bottom. He knows he 'won' but is still a loser, and takes perverse joy in peoples' disdain for him. He will quit before he's taken away, Tweeting a big "Fuck You" on his way out the door.

Maybe where you live in the Soviet Socialist Republic of California, 50% didn't vote for him but in general throughout the country about 50% voted for him.

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on November 29, 2017, 01:37:21 AM
... There is no president in modern history who was less popular than Trump. Rock bottom...

What's your definition of modern? 

Trump got 45.98%, in an election of massive fraud

- Lib hero and abuser Bill Clinton got 43.01% in 1992
- Nixon got 43.42% in 1968, but came back with 60.67% (!) in 1972

Per Wiki, but feel free to provide more reliable numbers if you think you have them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_elections_by_popular_vote_margin


Your math skills aren't looking very sharp tonight.  Or is this some crap you got from the fake news media?

Final per ABC:

H Clinton  65,844,610  48.2%
Trump      62,979,636  46.1%


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-officially-wins-popular-vote-29-million/story?id=44354341 

And we're saying there was no fraud in a country with almost no security measures to prevent fraudulent voting, 10s of millions of illegal aliens being told on Spanish radio to vote, and certain Democrat run counties where there were more votes cast than registered voters and some with zero Republican votes?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 29, 2017, 01:41:14 AM
Sure but you're concentrating on curing the patient's dandruff when they're bleeding to death. The patient is the country in the metaphor, not Trump.

Forget what's mostly out of his control, I'm concentrating on the most powerful figure in DC alienating people instead of leading.

He ran on an agenda.  To me it's implied that not only does he know how to implement it, but that he's going to do his best to do so.  He's not even trying - he'd rather try to dish out useless cheap shots with his dumb comments and tweets instead.

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on November 29, 2017, 01:41:01 AM
Actually, when adjusted for the illegal alien vote and other fraud he won the popular vote.  There's really no question about it.

Hey, thanks...that reminds me!  It looks like Trump's Voter Fraud Commission he formed to make himself look more popular than awful Hillary, has come up empty. In fact, it looks like the investigators are being investigated. 

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/11/trump_s_voter_fraud_commission_is_imploding.html

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