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#61
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 31, 2022, 07:22:56 AM
Quote from: WOTR on October 30, 2022, 07:40:47 PMYou are correct. In your screwed up system of government (and mine) the prime minister is elected dictator. There are whips to keep people in line, caucus positions and expulsion from the party if they dare to vote against what they are told by the PMO. The US is flawed, but they don't suffer this issues. Individuals regularly ignore what the party says and vote how their biggest donors electorate tell them to.

Somebody should probably tell the conscripts this and question why they have banned males from 18 (16?) - 60 from leaving the Ukraine if they don't have any military experience. You may even recall some idiot youtubers who went over thinking that they could LARP and join the Ukraine forces while virtue signalling.

The sad fact of the matter is that nations at war are always on the lookout for cannon fodder. And as the trained, professional soldiers dwindle- every nation will look for replacements wherever they can find them. No- the west will not be sending your kids to Russia. (I assume they are saving them for a sacrifice to China.)

What about when China invades Taiwan? Are you already lining up the arguments to support that war as well?


If you are the country being invaded then it's all hands to the pumps, obviously. I'm not sure what sort of point you think you're making, if you even have one at all. We had the then Foreign Secretary, Liz Truss, telling people that  the Government would support anyone going to Ukraine to fight the Russians, until she was told to STFU by the Defence Secretary, who told anyone who wanted to fight to just join the army if they were that keen on it.

An elected dictatorship is an oxymoron. If you don't like the job they are doing then you can vote them out at the next election. You can also make enough noise during their time in office so that they understand that they will get voted out if they don't reflect the mood of the country. That's how it should work and I can't think of any other system that would be workable.

I answered your question, now you answer mine. Are there any circumstances in which you would accept that war is justified? It's not even war in your case, of course, because you are against even a stiff letter to Putin in case he frowns at you and gets you all upset. We've got to accept that it might be inevitable that we are going to come to blows with China eventually because it's the only way to avoid a total catastrophe where rogue nations can just attack whoever they want with impunity.

It's pretty generally accepted that we could have kept Hitler in his box during the 'thirties if the Americans and Roosevelt had been more aggressive about telling him to stop being a dick. Unfortunately the Americans were more interested in staying out of things, which only ended up making things ten times worse than anyone.

Just what kind of world can  you expect when you roll over for every dictator that glares at you? You seem to assume that if you don't make them mad then they will take it out on somebody else rather than you.
#62
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 31, 2022, 07:14:13 AM
Quote from: WOTR on October 30, 2022, 07:48:47 PMAs I well know? I was on a board that was around 90% left and I was a young, right leaning poster. I can tell you that both the left and the right were calling for turning the desert into a sheet of glass. And no- the left was no "kinder" or more understanding or anti-war than the Bushites. It's a good thing that I kind of enjoy arguing- because on that board of a few hundred active posters there were probably only 5 or 10 of us who were saying it should not happen. Yes- the right may have called them "ragheads" but the left was no better cheering the invasion and wanting "them" dead. (Much kinder and more PC wishing "them" dead and not using a term like raghead.)

Now, perhaps it was just a very war happy forum. Perhaps they didn't really represent the general population. Possibly all of the leftists were firmly against the war. But not that I had seen.

If you go on forums like 'ILoveGerbils.com' you're going to find some fairly shady specimens, so I don't think your experience is at all representative.
#63
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 30, 2022, 09:45:42 AM
Quote from: K_Dubb on October 29, 2022, 09:52:53 AMAlso the earth is flat, because all science since the Greeks has been in the grip of the globalist cabal.  Globe-alist, get it?  Wake Up goober !!!

Russian propaganda is not specific content, it is the thing you are doing.  Everything that makes you look bad is fake while your enemies are literally Satan and eat babies.  No waiting to see when a new story comes up, just spin spin spin, throw it out there and see what sticks.  You know where this stuff comes from, it is a crowd-sourced bullshit generator think tank, fun to see it in action, who bites, how high up the media they can get their theories repeated, what they guess right.

Not unique to Russia, that is how propaganda has always worked, Russia is just balls deep in it and has been forever while Western press at least tried for a hundred years or so since the yellow-journalism era to get things right.

It doesn't ultimately matter whether it is right or not, they are exploiting the delays inherent in the official system and by the time some bureaucracy gets its story straight and puts out something reliable, most people's attention has moved on.

It's no coincidence that Putin is a judo black belt (I can imagine MD swooning as he imagines a naked Putin putting him into a variety of nutsack-nuzzling holds), and they are all about using your opponent's strength against you. They've totally lost any understanding of who the enemy is now. They spend all their waking hours watching Tucker Carlson and yelling at clouds.
#64
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 30, 2022, 09:34:24 AM
Quote from: WOTR on October 30, 2022, 12:40:29 AMThe funny thing about the situation is that it would now be me, MD, Aldous and a few other far right BG posters out protesting war at Kent state and it would be the woke, transgender, purple haired "them" in the national guard who shoots us. I keep saying that the rolls have reversed- only the new left still hold on to the belief that they have the same values as the hippies and are "good" instead of looking in the mirror at the reflection of Nixon.

*Did you know that Lennon was a Khrushchev's Klown? Can you imagine him not understanding that if we didn't stop Russia and communism in Vietnam we would all be calling each other comrade? Give peace a chance... And allow Russia to take the whole of Vietnam Ukraine?

Hear. Muzak to cheer the next decade of wars on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEX7Xxfr-qc

As you well know, pretty much everyone on the Left was against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the Right was all about getting out there and giving them ragheads a good dustin'. Your love of illicit roubles has conquered any residual affection you might have had for the truth and you're inhabiting some fairyland where you seem to regard yourself as a freedom fighter instead of (what you really are) MD's gimp.
#65
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 30, 2022, 09:25:44 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 29, 2022, 12:40:04 PMI missed this projected admission of pedophelia on your part earlier.

Sadly, half a dozen traumatised schoolkids were unable to dodge your projected emission.
#66
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 30, 2022, 09:23:42 AM
Quote from: WOTR on October 29, 2022, 12:17:02 PMGenerally, I don't attribute the trait of stupidity to you. So I have to assume that you are purposely trying to twist things and just failing rather than honestly not grasping what is written. I didn't call for a referendum. I called on at least one member of the government to say what probably 30% of the population is thinking. (Fine- say 20%... Or even only 10% who would like the war to end. No matter the number, somebody should represent those voices.)

I didn't call on the representatives to negotiate a peace deal themselves. I said that asking for a change in policy is reasonable.


Are you willing to follow your own advice if Trump is elected again? You will just say that he is elected and everybody should kowtow to his whims until the next election? Elected representatives should not protest or disagree with his policies, because he is the "boss?"

A final, honest question for you. Are you willing to send your children or nephews or grandchildren to fight in this war? Is it actually worth a personal sacrifice to you- or just worth the sacrifices of others? 

About Trump. Of course. What's the alternative? Carry on like those dingbats claiming that every election they don't win is a fraud? The President is the Commander-in-Chief and has the right to act within the prescribed limits of the constitution. That's just how the system goes. You can put pressure on your elected representatives (for example during the Vietnam war) but they aren't obliged to listen to any of it. What is right and what is popular are not necessarily the same thing.

You don't know what discussions are going on behind closed doors about any of this. There is such a thing as collective responsibility in government. Even if you disagree with a policy you have to go along with it or resign in protest. That option is available to anyone if they want to make use of it. You can't have someone unilaterally take the opposite side when they are part of the actual government. You seem to want some sort of tribune to speak for the plebs. I'm not sure what good that would do, since every idiot has a YT channel and they can say what they like whenever they want to.

It isn't a question of asking someone to go and fight in a way, for god's sake. Modern wars are all fought by modern armies, you can't just send a bunch of half-trained soldiers into a hot war these days. The idea that anyone's son or daughter (unless they are in the military) are going to have to fight is far-fetched and is just the sort of emotive stuff that does you no credit at all. If you want to stop a major war you have to be prepared to fight a smaller one, it's that simple. If you back off from every confrontation then they only get emboldened and try to take more and more. That's what you aren't prepared to accept. If you let Putin get away with this and sell out the Ukrainians because peace is too important, then he'll next turn to the Baltic states and who knows where he will go next. It's highly unlikely that he is just going to say 'well, I'm done now, I'm going to retire'. Putin knows bloody well that he'll never be able to retire because he's made too many enemies and has to stay in power to stay alive. If it meant that a few thousand, for example, had to die to stop a catastrophic war that costs millions of lives then only an idiot would object to that, even if some of them were my relatives.
#67
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 29, 2022, 06:19:21 AMYou should just fight Russia yourselves then.

It wouldn't be the first time we've had to stand up to tyrants because you idiots are too busy paddling it to be any use.
#68
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 29, 2022, 06:09:00 AMI'm just sayin that it's classic for you Brits to say, "Oh, please fight our wars, USA. You're literally monsters worse than our enemy if you don't."  :D

No, we just know that you'll leave it to the last minute, like you always do, so that it's ten times worse than if you had addressed it at the beginning. You always do this because you're a bunch of loudmouth show-offs who are fucking useless at everything.
#69
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 29, 2022, 06:03:37 AMTakes one to know one. I bet you're a frail, little man who'd never stand up to a Russian IRL. :D

Sorry, You appear to be under the misapprehension that I entertain the slightest fuck about your opinion on anything. I'm just here to laugh at you, like everyone else.
#70
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 29, 2022, 06:01:46 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 29, 2022, 05:57:29 AMIn Britain babies come from when brothers and sisters make love, right?

Just enjoy whatever fantasy gets you through the day. You obviously don't get much enjoyment out of life otherwise.
#71
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 29, 2022, 05:58:43 AMWas that your mum?

Yawn. You tedious little man.
#72
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 28, 2022, 08:16:08 PMIt wasn't serious for most people. For most people the most serious thing about was being locked down like cattle

Nobody locks down cattle, bruv. The only people who do are weirdos like you, because it makes them easier to fuck.
#73
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 29, 2022, 05:55:32 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 29, 2022, 05:51:18 AMI'm just glad we have someone super smart like you to point out what's Russian propaganda and what isn't. Whew! 🙄😆

You're welcome. Anything else you need help on (basic hygiene, where babies come from etc) don't hesitate to ask someone else.
#74
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 29, 2022, 05:49:28 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 28, 2022, 08:11:38 PMMy statement stands.

As firm as your penis outside an elementary school?
#75
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 29, 2022, 05:46:26 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 28, 2022, 10:06:38 AMYou could pick any old man who wets himself on a regular basis

Oh, I'm sure y'all are far too astute to allow that calamity to happen.

#76
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 29, 2022, 05:39:31 AM
Quote from: WOTR on October 29, 2022, 12:29:00 AMA good portion of the American people would like to see peace negotiated. These are representatives of the people asking the "leader" to negotiate peace. What is wrong with this action?

I suppose in China the "representatives" of the people cannot bring a differing opinion and make a request. Surely we are not that far along in the authoritarians wet dream that we can't have representatives of the people requesting that the "boss" seek peace or change policy?

You appear to have the old Mcarthy disease where you see Russians and Russian sympathizers everywhere (or perhaps you are closer to "if you are with us, you are against us" Bush?) Enamored with Russia because I will not cheer lead your war?

What is wrong with it? You have a system where you elect your representatives to represent you. You don't have a system where you make decisions by referenda on every issue. Do you want a system where the ones that shout the loudest are automatically listened to? What's a 'good portion' anyway? You all distrust elections these days, why should we trust opinion polls either? Are the other side pretending that they would force Ukraine to make peace? No, so your argument is phoney. If you don't like an administration then you vote them out the first chance you get. If you want a different system then, if enough people agree with you, you can do that too. What you seem to want is a version of mob rule, so long as the mob are on your side, which can never be guaranteed.

To be blunt, Russian propaganda is so deep now that a lot of people don't even realise they are being played. The whole moon landing hoax was a Russian psy-op designed to discredit the Americans. They are very good at playing on the fears of paranoid, rather uneducated people.  You and MD are prime examples of the way people get suckered. You don't have to be a cheerleader for the West to understand that allowing someone like Putin to run around unchecked is bad for everyone. All you are doing is putting your head in the sand. It's an acknowledged psyschological condition called 'normalcy bias' where people can't allow themselves to accept that a situation is serious so they pretend that it's all completely normal.

What exactly do you do when someone assumes that you are a pussy and won't stand up for yourself under any circumstances? Why bother even having a military if you aren't even prepared to use it as a bluff any more? Are there any circumstances when you'd stand up to Putin? Does he have to annex the whole of Eastern Europe before you'd even begin to acknowledge that there is a problem? Seriously, I'd love to know if you 'peace at any price' types have any red line at all.
#77
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 28, 2022, 09:34:52 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 28, 2022, 09:05:46 AMSorry, who do you think the boss is? ???

The one who has been elected, you unholy dunce.
#78
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 28, 2022, 05:44:38 AM
#79
Politics / Re: The Ukraine CrySis - Crimea River
October 28, 2022, 05:43:19 AM
Quote from: WOTR on October 27, 2022, 01:43:03 AM*Did you happen to see the Biden white house responding to the letter by 30 "progressives" to work towards peace? They basically said that Zelensky is the only one who can decide when or even if we ever sit down to negotiate peace . More or less, the war will continue and the west are nutless cucks who will go wherever the Ukraine leads and never set their own policy in regards to this war.

That's because '30 progressives' aren't the elected leader, and you can only negotiate with the boss. Seriously, do you need someone to explain that to you? It would be like you deciding that you want to negotiate with Putin to make Canada a part of the new Russian empire. Is everyone supposed to say, 'oh cool, we're all Russians now, eh?' You and  MD should just move to Russia, if you're so enamoured of it.

#80
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Alex Jones
October 20, 2022, 12:53:03 PM
Quote from: K_Dubb on October 20, 2022, 11:56:12 AMLOL it can't be propaganda after you said you'd rather have Pootieface you ass; your own words condemn you, not mine.  Your sympathies are traitorous.  I just made you say it, for all to see.

This site is 75% of posts by this lonely nutjob trying to gum on Trump's colon. Waste of time.
#81
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Alex Jones
October 20, 2022, 10:34:04 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 20, 2022, 10:30:17 AMLOL! You couldn't scare a four year old at an all ages drag show. ;D
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I'm glad you recognised yourself when I mentioned mongoloids. A rare moment of self-knowledge.
#82
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Alex Jones
October 20, 2022, 10:18:53 AM
Quote from: K_Dubb on October 20, 2022, 09:49:51 AMThat's kind of a lame analysis, it's like every time a prominent critic of the police here gets threatened or her house vandalized you people are like HAH look she likes the police now ! ! ! but that is just mob-style protection racket, you don't criticize, we protect you.  They are public servants, accountable to the public, you start treating them like a special interest group and they swagger and abuse.  F that.

Same with FBI CIA court etc,  institutions are good when they do good and bad when they do bad.  When scammers like AJ and Trumpy who are alternate reality bs generating trolls supported by thuggish stalkers and Weimar-style militias, get caught I put on the This Is Your FBI theme and rejoice, that's what the FBI is supposed to be doing.

That's a very lucid post. I'm afraid you won't escape the forthcoming Yankicide I am planning with Bill Gates and George Soros, but I promise to maybe think about possibly dispatching you quickly. Needless to say, the pliers and blowtorch will be out for most of the mongoloids on here.
#83
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Alex Jones
October 20, 2022, 10:15:41 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 20, 2022, 09:57:41 AMFunny, they didn't seem to be doing any of that for the Clintons or anyone on the left, really...only conservatives. Talk about your Weimar! 🙄😂



Comey literally got Trump elected by reopening the Hillary emails investigation, you stupid cunt!
#84
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Alex Jones
October 20, 2022, 08:35:13 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 20, 2022, 07:54:20 AMUmm, you started it with your Putin fantasies. 🙄

She got people killed. 🙄🙄

I just used a figure of speech, but you took it to a whole 'nother trouser-rubbing level.

If she caused the deaths of Americans that only raises her in my esteem.
#85
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Alex Jones
October 20, 2022, 07:50:00 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 20, 2022, 07:39:10 AMMore projection. You'd let Biden, the king, xi, Bill Gates and that putz in Ukraine run a train on your ass while screaming, "Give me nuclear war, daddies!" ;D

Also, Sanders rolled over for the Clintons. Remember, he said we should stop looking into her emails?  :D

More gay sex fantasies from you, how veeery surprising.

It's only weirdos like you who obsess over those emails. It's because you're all so shady yourselves you think everyone else. has something to hide.
#86
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Alex Jones
October 20, 2022, 06:56:39 AM
Quote from: albrecht on October 19, 2022, 04:12:16 PMI thought the line was "capitalist running dogs?" See you Leftists even screwing up and reversing your previous propaganda and positions. You got the "reactionary" correctly but now that the Left supports the endless wars, the FBI, the CIA, and, yes, even the banks and corporations* (used to be called, generally, "the man.")

*they elected Biden. From Delaware. Where 80% of most US banks, credit card companies, and public corporations are based, legally, due to that they have very business-friendly tax and incorporation law and a legacy from Britain, unlike most States, still has a Chancery Court system, hardly a 'progressive' type of system. Though this could be argued about on the benefits but not from a 'progressive' perspective. 

They only elected Biden, faute de mieux, as you know. They wanted Bernie Sanders but were left with no other choice, it was him or Trump. Biden pulled the troops out of the Middle East and then y'all piss and moan about that. You lot adore Putin and would let him spooge in your mouth while pretending to be tough guys. You are such a bunch of dishonest cunts it's unbelievable.
#87
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Alex Jones
October 19, 2022, 05:15:20 AM
Quote from: albrecht on October 18, 2022, 04:22:56 PMIt used to be a leftist ideal to 'fight the power' 'screw the system' etc. Now it is 'more war' 'trust the CIA' 'the FBI is awesome' 'Big Banks are awesome' and so on. Very amusing.

The government, because it is made of people, should be examined and feared when has too much power. Not trusted, or obeyed simply because some bureaucrat or lifelong politician from a family of politicians who, surprisingly, became millionaires, despite being just a common-man (or woman) going to Washington to do some public service. Even all those lauded and honest, self-sacrificing for the common-good, people in the House or Senate aren't the ones making most of the laws and regulations.

www.federalregister.gov


Assuming that there are more than a handful of 'leftists' in America, which I seriously doubt, you know that what you've said is not remotely true. Show me a leftist that thinks the big banks are great. If you're so against war then why don't people like you demand that spending on defence should be cut to the bone? If you're not going to use it then why are you spending so much money on a welfare programme for defence contractors? People like you aren't conservatives, and never have been, you're just reactionaries who want to get as much for themselves as they possibly can before everything falls apart. That's why you will be hunted down by a pack of wild dogs and bloodily eviscerated when the revolution comes.
#88
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Alex Jones
October 17, 2022, 05:34:27 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 15, 2022, 10:36:59 PMNo. I don't think any rational person could understand how saying words causes another person to act. It's ludicrous. That only flies in crazy commie town.

I don't suppose you come across many rational people in the course of your 'life', so I can understand your perplexity.
#89
Random Topics / Re: Nuclear Poll ☢️📈
October 17, 2022, 05:17:03 AM
Quote from: Roswells, Art on October 14, 2022, 09:03:10 PMI hope she had the decency to give him his protein rich compost worms he said he would survive on.

The fact that he walked the walk, said 'screw you guys, I'm going to ride out the coming global cataclysm in peaceful Ukraine' just shows what a prescient individual he was, and why Art Bell had such a reputation for finding well-adjusted, rational guests.
#90
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Alex Jones
October 17, 2022, 05:13:07 AM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on October 16, 2022, 11:52:04 AMNo, I do that all on my own because I'm a free man.

At least you admit that you're a fool. That's progress, of a kind.
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