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Missing Submarine

Started by albrecht, November 21, 2017, 06:22:40 PM

Swishypants

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 11, 2017, 09:17:00 AM
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Dumbass Baby Boomer that doesn't realize the central banks convinced you to work your entire lives working for money made out of nothing but some SMARTER MAN'S imagination, then robbed you all in 2008 of your sweat equity. LOL! Being a wage-slave is stupid. There are other ways to get rich, and I have done just that. You played the suckers game PB. Being unable to admit you got crawfished doesn't fix anything.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Swishypants on December 11, 2017, 01:22:22 PM
Dumbass Baby Boomer that doesn't realize the central banks convinced you to work your entire lives working for money made out of nothing but some SMARTER MAN'S imagination, then robbed you all in 2008 of your sweat equity. LOL! Being a wage-slave is stupid. There are other ways to get rich, and I have done just that. You played the suckers game PB. Being unable to admit you got crawfished doesn't fix anything.

Hi, Democrat!  :D


Quote from: Swishypants on December 11, 2017, 01:22:22 PM
Dumbass Baby Boomer that doesn't realize the central banks convinced you to work your entire lives working for money made out of nothing but some SMARTER MAN'S imagination, then robbed you all in 2008 of your sweat equity. LOL! Being a wage-slave is stupid. There are other ways to get rich, and I have done just that. You played the suckers game PB. Being unable to admit you got crawfished doesn't fix anything.

There you go making assumptions about people again.

Trust me, I have more money than you do, and know considerably more about economics, the Fed, the banking system, and the creation of money than you do as well.  Your post above is an example of what people mean when they say 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Swishypants on December 11, 2017, 01:22:22 PM
There are other ways to get rich, and I have done just that.

Yeah but not all of us want to be male prostitutes. A lot of hobos must've been up inside you.  :o



Up All Night

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 11, 2017, 03:10:35 AM
What the hell does Argentina need submarines for exactly, don't they have loans to pay off?

To run drugs, of course, silly rabbit !  :D

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on January 09, 2018, 09:38:59 PM
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Missing-Argentine-Submarine-was-Chased-by-British-Navy-Family-Member-20171213-0042.html

Couple things caught my attention with this article.  First it's almost a month old, yet no other news agency/blog site I've seen has printed any allegations about Chilean or British military involvement.  It also minded me of Pravda articles of the 1970s in tone and style.  Not too surprisingly then, I looked up "Telesur" and found it described as a Latin America Socialist news/propaganda agency funded by, among others, the Venezuelan and Cuban governments. Assuming that description is accurate, the objectivity of the "agency" is somewhat dubious. Admittedly, it's unclear to me why regional Socialist states would want to stir up shit among the Brits, Argentines, and Chileans.

As for the bit about the sub being "chased" by a Chilean warship and a Brit helicopter,  not sure how to interpret that.  One would assume the two actions, if they occurred, did not happen concurrently.  No surprise a Chilean warship would have been interested in the sub as it left the base in southern Argentina near where there have been territorial disputes between the two nations for some years.  Similarly, the Brits would have been interested in the sub if it approached the Falklands. (Knowing the close working relationship between the Chileans and Brits relative to Argentina, not unreasonable to conclude the Chileans may have given the Brits a heads up the sub was heading their way.)  The mention of the helo is something of a head scratcher, however. The only choppers the Brits have in the Falklands are AAC heavy lift Chinooks and contractor flown, civilian SAR helicopters, neither of which are ASW platforms.  The RN guard ship for the Falklands is an off-shore patrol boat, a small, lightly armed warship.  I know they have a helo deck, but because they lack hanger space it's not common to actually base a helo aboard the ship. I've seen many photos of the guard ship over the past few years, but never with a helicopter.  I suppose the Agentines on the sub could have seen one of the SAR birds on either a training exercise or an actual rescue mission, but they should have had current intel on UK forces in the Falklands and been aware of the civilian choppers.  In any event, can't imagine the sub being "chased".

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 10, 2018, 09:18:29 AM
Couple things caught my attention with this article.  First it's almost a month old, yet no other news agency/blog site I've seen has printed any allegations about Chilean or British military involvement.  It also minded me of Pravda articles of the 1970s in tone and style.  Not too surprisingly then, I looked up "Telesur" and found it described as a Latin America Socialist news/propaganda agency funded by, among others, the Venezuelan and Cuban governments. Assuming that description is accurate, the objectivity of the "agency" is somewhat dubious. Admittedly, it's unclear to me why regional Socialist states would want to stir up shit among the Brits, Argentines, and Chileans.

As for the bit about the sub being "chased" by a Chilean warship and a Brit helicopter,  not sure how to interpret that.  One would assume the two actions, if they occurred, did not happen concurrently.  No surprise a Chilean warship would have been interested in the sub as it left the base in southern Argentina near where there have been territorial disputes between the two nations for some years.  Similarly, the Brits would have been interested in the sub if it approached the Falklands. (Knowing the close working relationship between the Chileans and Brits relative to Argentina, not unreasonable to conclude the Chileans may have given the Brits a heads up the sub was heading their way.)  The mention of the helo is something of a head scratcher, however. The only choppers the Brits have in the Falklands are AAC heavy lift Chinooks and contractor flown, civilian SAR helicopters, neither of which are ASW platforms.  The RN guard ship for the Falklands is an off-shore patrol boat, a small, lightly armed warship.  I know they have a helo deck, but because they lack hanger space it's not common to actually base a helo aboard the ship. I've seen many photos of the guard ship over the past few years, but never with a helicopter.  I suppose the Agentines on the sub could have seen one of the SAR birds on either a training exercise or an actual rescue mission, but they should have had current intel on UK forces in the Falklands and been aware of the civilian choppers.  In any event, can't imagine the sub being "chased".

I can't imagine the RN or RAF would send up a heli to chase a submarine unless it was a seek and destroy in conjunction with surface ships and attack subs. And it it was an attack sub, they wouldn't need the others.

Swishypants

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 10, 2018, 10:41:00 AM
I can't imagine the RN or RAF would send up a heli to chase a submarine unless it was a seek and destroy in conjunction with surface ships and attack subs. And it it was an attack sub, they wouldn't need the others.

The U.K. doesn't have a Submarine or a Helicopter left in service anymore! LMFAO! POOR! YOU'RE POOR!

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Swishypants on January 10, 2018, 10:41:50 AM
The U.K. doesn't have a Submarine or a Helicopter left in service anymore! LMFAO! POOR! YOU'RE POOR!

You'd better tell the skippers of the new ones. They reputedly can detect a ship leaving port in NY, from Portsmouth UK. And as they're all secret squirls on such things, they don't confirm or deny it.

Swishypants

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 10, 2018, 10:44:07 AM
You'd better tell the skippers of the new ones. They reputedly can detect a ship leaving port in NY, from Portsmouth UK. And as they're all secret squirls on such things, they don't confirm or deny it.

You mean the ones that aren't finished and aren't going to be, and can't leave port? No wonder they have that capability! It's important to know when we're coming so you can spike up your Cuppa' and nervously masturbate in anticipation of being occupied!

Uncle Duke

Does it even make sense a sailor on a sub could send a message to a relative ashore?  Assuming there was internet connectivity, I'd think there would be OpSec and/or EMI concerns allowing the crew to send messages with a cell phone or tablet using this app while at sea.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 10, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
Does it even make sense a sailor on a sub could send a message to a relative ashore?  Assuming there was internet connectivity, I'd think there would be OpSec and/or EMI concerns allowing the crew to send messages with a cell phone or tablet using this app while at sea.


Well, yeah, there is that! LOL. Unless the Argentines don't think covert applies to them?

Swishypants

It's not about being covert. It's about being so God damn brutal that it doesn't matter if they know. They just shit their pants. Never underestimate the effectiveness of massive overkill.


Swishypants

The Brits are down to two functional, crewed, and deployed Frigates. Both are light missile boats with one 37mm Bofors on one, and nothing but GPMG's on the other. They ostensibly have no Navy of any kind anymore outside of that, and one Helicopter Carrier and some maritime cargo ships. They lost their last functional sub to technical issues  late last yer. They are totally defenseless and can't project any power of any kind.  Of their THREE, light, combat vessels, all of them are old and in terrible condition.

The UK could be taken by 50 Jihadi's with rusty AK's and Zodiac Boats.

The Brits are a totally broken and humiliated people destined for extinction within' 20 years.  It's all over for them and the last of who can leave are doing so now.


Swishypants

On a positive note, you can get British Whores dirt cheap and make them your slaves. They'll be grateful for just a bed and some crackers and cheese! :)

Those fucking teeth though? And they are dirty sluts used many times by Muzzies.

Quote from: Swishypants on January 10, 2018, 05:46:31 PM
The Brits are down to two functional, crewed, and deployed Frigates. Both are light missile boats with one 37mm Bofors on one, and nothing but GPMG's on the other. They ostensibly have no Navy of any kind anymore outside of that, and one Helicopter Carrier and some maritime cargo ships. They lost their last functional sub to technical issues  late last yer. They are totally defenseless and can't project any power of any kind.  Of their THREE, light, combat vessels, all of them are old and in terrible condition.

The UK could be taken by 50 Jihadi's with rusty AK's and Zodiac Boats.

The Brits are a totally broken and humiliated people destined for extinction within' 20 years.  It's all over for them and the last of who can leave are doing so now.

They've poured all national resources into keeping Liz Hurley looking great.   Seems to be working out for them


Kidnostad3

“As of December 2017, there are 74 commissioned ships in the Royal Navy. 20 of the commissioned vessels are major surface combatants (six guided missile destroyers, 13 frigates and one aircraft carrier) and 10 are nuclear-powered submarines (four ballistic missile submarines and six fleet submarines).”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Royal_Navy_ships


As always, Sissypants is full of shit. 

Swishypants

You really are thick as pig shit Kid. That's the paper fleet. Out of that, only 3 of them are combat capable, crewed and deployed. They haven't even got one fucking Sub anymore and the UK is no longer a functional nuclear power.

Swishypants

Of course some outdated Tomahawks and one 37mm BOFORS cannon is the sum-total of the shit they can throw off any of them.

Swishypants

It's not even a joke anymore. Rednecks in Texas have more of a Navy than the Brits do! Britania is a history lesson, not a nation-state anymore.

Swishypants

It can be truly said that FRANCE could sweep the seas of all British Naval vessels in 10 minutes!

ItsOver

Quote from: Swishypants on January 10, 2018, 05:57:33 PM
On a positive note, you can get British Whores dirt cheap and make them your slaves. They'll be grateful for just a bed and some crackers and cheese! :)

Those fucking teeth though? And they are dirty sluts used many times by Muzzies.


Swishypants

There is one saving grace to all of this. The Argies are just as broke-down as the Brits, and are only doing this shit in the hopes that the US will fight for Britain, then invade and fix their roads for them. It's essentially a "Cripple Fight" between two opposing sides that could manage one angry stare each before collapsing to the floor, totally exhausted.

The Argies MIGHT get off one rip from a surplus FN-FAL if that 20rd. box of ammo from 1982 still ignites. It would result in the sinking of the entirety of Wales if they do it.

Yorkshire pud

Beg borrow or steal this DVD or rent it...It is a brilliant documentary about the cold war submariners and their tactics. Russian, American and British crew members tell their stories.

https://youtu.be/yzlHbnYALHE

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on January 10, 2018, 05:42:21 PM
It would appear that the Brits have more than just patrol boats in the Falklands. 

https://youtu.be/RN4l4rOJgzI


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_Falkland_Islands

I didn't mean the guard ship was the only UK military force in the Falklands, just it's the only RN warship permanently on station that could have launched an ASW capable helo to "chase" a sub.  Other RN warships (including subs) rotate through the area on a part time basis to form a South Atlantic force to protect British interests in the region, but the guard ship's primary full-time responsibility is the Falklands.

I assume you were no longer serving on subs by the time cellphones were commonplace, but do you know if USN sailors are allowed to take and use personal cellphones and similar devices aboard our subs while at sea?  Wouldn't it be considered a serious OpSec violation if a sailor serving aboard one of our our subs sent a message to his family saying they'd been "chased" by a potential adversary like a Russian frigate or a Chinese anti-sub/maritime patrol aircraft?  Also, do you know if USN crew are restricted from bringing any types of personal electronic gear aboard our subs for fear it could create EMC/EMI problems or a signal/signature that could be detected?

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