Evelyn "the witch" Paglini

[HorrorRetro]

The Anomalist web site really went after Larson today. They linked to a story about his daughters and their female friend. They're exorcists, following in the family tradition. How many vulnerable people, especially women, have been damaged by some of these routines? Some survivors are victimized twice, first by their abusers, then by unprofessional charlatans. They claim that the women are angry and bitter because of....demons. : That's certainly true in the figurative sense of the word. It's extremely dangerous to jump to conclusions when it comes to literal demonic possession.

I totally agree that he's a fraud and has taken advantage of many sick people over the years.  Way back when I found his show, I listened simply because I'd never heard anything like it on the radio.  I lived in Alaska and overnight we'd have message relays from the villages and such.  "Bob in Bethel wants to tell Lenny in Talkeetna that they bagged 10 caribou."  So going from that to hearing something like Bob Larson in the middle of the night was a trip. 

I read several books he put out back then as well.  He and others like him are responsible for a lot of the crap surrounding cases like the McMartin "Satanic" Preschool case and other cases in Kern County, CA. It's amazing that these cases were prosecuted and people convicted. I mean, kids testified that the daycare workers performed baby sacrifices and ate the babies, flew around the rooms in black cloaks, impregnated toddlers who then delivered babies to be sacrificed, etc.  Jurors apparently believed these claims and convicted many. It was a modern-day witch hunt.  There are several books out there documenting these cases and how they came about during the "Satanic ritual abuse craze" of the 1980s and '90s.

[sleeplessinca]

I am still waiting. I have been involved with "spiritual" treatment. I have seen prayer go on for days. I have seen "possessed" writhe and groan... it is all theatrics. I don't think those afflicted are a priori dishonest. But upon further examination it is grandiosity.

I have yet to see anyone levitate, contort to such a degree that is humanly impossible or tempt anyone's soul.

It is all superstition.

Sounds like you have really seen the dark side. 

That's exactly why I want AB to interview a mentalist like Derren Brown.  He would provide a good balance to Evelyn.  Like anything, brain washing and influencing people can be used for good or for bad.  It can be an illusionist show at Vegas or some god-awful thing like you describe.  It is scariest when they totally believe it themselves and then the belief spreads like a psychic cancer.  That's when the bad stuff happens.

I find studying this to be endlessly interesting.

[Chine]

sleeplessinca, me too. Wonder if Art will have her on near Halloween. I just joined SiriusXM and so excited.

[Renaldo]

The last radio station I worked at (years ago), was a small AM Christian station. I was a weekend and overnight producer, but sometimes I'd fill in during the days for trades, or whatever. One of our afternoon network shows was Bob Larson. So this doesn't become an epic novel... All I'm going to say is that within 20 minutes, I absolutely hated him. I met him in person and felt very justified for that hatred. He's a petty fearmonger, nothing more.

[sleeplessinca]

There's nothing like boots on the ground experience. 

That said I hope AB has Ellen on around Halloween.  Maybe she can give us tips on warding off evil spirits.  I hate those guys.

[Chine]

There's nothing like boots on the ground experience. 

That said I hope AB has Ellen on around Halloween.  Maybe she can give us tips on warding off evil spirits.  I hate those guys.

She'd probably recommend some five finger grass, rosemary outside your door, black tourmaline crystal around your neck. I also like Doreen Virtue. I mix it up. But, you ask Archangel Michael for help and bam! He's gotya covered. As I've said before, I value and love all faiths, cultures, schools of thought. Those working of divine live and in the light. That which is good, of compassion to ourselves and others.

[Nucky Nolan]

I totally agree that he's a fraud and has taken advantage of many sick people over the years.  Way back when I found his show, I listened simply because I'd never heard anything like it on the radio.  I lived in Alaska and overnight we'd have message relays from the villages and such.  "Bob in Bethel wants to tell Lenny in Talkeetna that they bagged 10 caribou."  So going from that to hearing something like Bob Larson in the middle of the night was a trip. 

I read several books he put out back then as well.  He and others like him are responsible for a lot of the crap surrounding cases like the McMartin "Satanic" Preschool case and other cases in Kern County, CA. It's amazing that these cases were prosecuted and people convicted. I mean, kids testified that the daycare workers performed baby sacrifices and ate the babies, flew around the rooms in black cloaks, impregnated toddlers who then delivered babies to be sacrificed, etc.  Jurors apparently believed these claims and convicted many. It was a modern-day witch hunt.  There are several books out there documenting these cases and how they came about during the "Satanic ritual abuse craze" of the 1980s and '90s.

Here's a link to a story about Larson's daughters and their friend. They're "teen exorcists", in the family tradition. I read two of his books, more as entertainment than information. I always had a weakness for oddball stuff.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23986595

Something tells me that Noory is stuck in the 1980s when it comes to this issue. He did a show on SRA this year. His guest, Russ Dizdar, is a former police chaplain and present "cabal-buster" (my term). He wrote a book called "Black Awakening". You already know the drill: a powerful international satanic cult does this and that, and Russ and his warriors want to thwart their sinister plans. Just create your own version with the basic template started by John Todd, who likely got his ideas from pop culture (those darn made-for-TV horror movies ). Noory wholeheartedly sold the urban legends. I can't believe people still buy this stuff in 2013! 

[Nucky Nolan]

I am still waiting. I have been involved with "spiritual" treatment. I have seen prayer go on for days. I have seen "possessed" writhe and groan... it is all theatrics. I don't think those afflicted are a priori dishonest. But upon further examination it is grandiosity.

I have yet to see anyone levitate, contort to such a degree that is humanly impossible or tempt anyone's soul.

It is all superstition.

There are real cases. That's not to say that many of the alleged cases aren't outtakes from "Elmer Gantry" or traditional ceremonies based on folk beliefs. When you see the genuine article (actual visible entities that leave individuals) with a large gathering of witnesses, your world view shifts. Paradoxically, you develop a more skeptical attitude when you're confronted with carnival theatrics. Some ministers and priests know what I mean. Art Bell understands, as far as I know. It shakes you to the core when you witness such a thing, even if you believe in God. Our beliefs are shaped by experience.   

[onan]

There are real cases. That's not to say that many of the alleged cases aren't outtakes from "Elmer Gantry" or traditional ceremonies based on folk beliefs. When you see the genuine article (actual visible entities that leave individuals) with a large gathering of witnesses, your world view shifts. Paradoxically, you develop a more skeptical attitude when you're confronted with carnival theatrics. Some ministers and priests know what I mean. Art Bell understands, as far as I know. It shakes you to the core when you witness such a thing, even if you believe in God. Our beliefs are shaped by experience.   

Actually our beliefs are shaped by those around us. I guess in some way that is an experience. But most of our religious beliefs come from oral tradition and sunday school classes. Not from a burning bush or an angel visiting us. However there are those that will transform that learning into delusional thought.

I don't believe in spiritual beings. Don't get me wrong, the concept of spirituality can engender some of the highest forms of humanity. But I think there is more evidence of bigfoot than god.

As to your experience, I don't doubt your story. I do doubt your perception.

[UnscreenedCaller]

I read several books he put out back then as well.  He and others like him are responsible for a lot of the crap surrounding cases like the McMartin "Satanic" Preschool case and other cases in Kern County, CA. It's amazing that these cases were prosecuted and people convicted. I mean, kids testified that the daycare workers performed baby sacrifices and ate the babies, flew around the rooms in black cloaks, impregnated toddlers who then delivered babies to be sacrificed, etc.  Jurors apparently believed these claims and convicted many. It was a modern-day witch hunt.  There are several books out there documenting these cases and how they came about during the "Satanic ritual abuse craze" of the 1980s and '90s.

That brings to mind the infamous Geraldo report about vast Satanic enclaves throughout the US performing unspeakable acts on children which, like Al Capone's vault, was empty when he couldn't come up with one shred of evidence. How many lives were ruined in the McMartin case via superstition and gullibility? And we're supposed to be post-Enlightenment.

[HorrorRetro]

That brings to mind the infamous Geraldo report about vast Satanic enclaves throughout the US performing unspeakable acts on children which, like Al Capone's vault, was empty when he couldn't come up with one shred of evidence. How many lives were ruined in the McMartin case via superstition and gullibility? And we're supposed to be post-Enlightenment.

When you read the books out there on SRA and cases like McMartin, it's infuriating that these were actually prosecuted and people convicted.  One thread that links all the cases is the false belief that children don't lie about these things. Bull crap.  Children lie about everything.  Of course, it didn't help when the court system hired some truly sadistic people to "counsel" the children and instead brainwashed them with all sorts of ludicrous scenarios. I'm not a huge Sean Penn fan, but his documentary "Witch Hunt" is quite good.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1196112/?ref_=nm_flmg_prd_5 

A few years ago, I read several books in preparation for doing a paper on this subject. I still find the subject fascinating, but from an extremely skeptical perspective. When I read cases now, it's more me wondering how people can be so gullible and why they are not seeking mental help for those "victims" of supposed SRA. One would assume mental health issues would be ruled out first, but in most of these cases, the parties involved go straight to an SRA explanation instead.

[Juan]

I worked in the Greenville, North Carolina market during the "Little Rascals Day Care Center" trial.  Betsy and Bob Kelly who ran the center and several others who worked there were charged with all kinds of crimes against children.  Because of peculiarities of North Carolina, several of the defendants sat in jail for years without trial and eventually entered pleas of no contest just to get out of jail.  Bob Kelly was tried and convicted of 99-counts of child molestation.  The schools cook was later tried and convicted.  Three years later the appeals court reversed the convictions.  It turned out the jurors the jurors in Bob Kelly's case hadn't been able to decide on the evidence, so one of them brought in a Redbook Magazine containing an article on child molestation.  The jury convicted him on what was in the magazine.  He was never retried as the state, away from the emotional turmoil of the original trial, simply couldn't prove any of the allegations.  Kelly's trial was the longest and most expensive in North Carolina history.

[Nucky Nolan]

Actually our beliefs are shaped by those around us. I guess in some way that is an experience. But most of our religious beliefs come from oral tradition and sunday school classes. Not from a burning bush or an angel visiting us. However there are those that will transform that learning into delusional thought.

I don't believe in spiritual beings. Don't get me wrong, the concept of spirituality can engender some of the highest forms of humanity. But I think there is more evidence of bigfoot than god.

As to your experience, I don't doubt your story. I do doubt your perception.

I'm referring to the experiential more than the religious. I agree with your point about inherited or received belief systems. I'm referring to witnessing the supernatural in an unambiguous way. The experience transforms your beliefs about something (fill in the blank). For example, I'm borderline agnostic when it comes to abductions by EBEs. I can't say, for certain, whether or not they're real. If a couple Grays beamed me aboard a flying saucer , I likely would believe in the phenomenon unless I convinced myself that it was some kind of military intelligence operation. That "witness-it-for-yourself thing" is one reason why I believe that demons exist, as crazy as that likely sounds to many members of this forum.

[scottydawg]

Well I remember my Grandfather telling me never piss off a woman who cooks your food or knows where you sleep!
Also I like that "Little Italian Grandmother in a Casino full of Marlboro smoke" I can see Sophia from Golden Girls now
"Picture it, Salem, 1629!"
But I've always wondered if witches have so many powerful spells and incantations, why can't they all make the lobbyists in Washington DC turn Deaf and Dumb overnight? Think of it all the Senators and Congressmen would have to listen and  rely on just the constituents again!

[Unquenchable Angst]

My preferred 'spell' would be that any congressman, Senator, lobbyist, K street regular, CFR hack would suffer projectile diarrhea  anytime they wavered from truth and or constitutes   or public well being or best interest of the sovereignty of the people.

[onan]

My preferred 'spell' would be that any congressman, Senator, lobbyist, K street regular, CFR hack would suffer projectile diarrhea  anytime they wavered from truth and or constitutes   or public well being or best interest of the sovereignty of the people.

I would ask you also include vomiting, projectile type. Oh and pain, lots of pain.

[Nucky Nolan]

But I've always wondered if witches have so many powerful spells and incantations, why can't they all make the lobbyists in Washington DC turn Deaf and Dumb overnight? Think of it all the Senators and Congressmen would have to listen and  rely on just the constituents again!

It might improve things. Our "representatives" seem deaf and dumb right now. They don't hear us. They don't speak for us.

[Nucky Nolan]

My preferred 'spell' would be that any congressman, Senator, lobbyist, K street regular, CFR hack would suffer projectile diarrhea  anytime they wavered from truth and or constitutes   or public well being or best interest of the sovereignty of the people.

Thanks to you and Onan for bringing up vomit and diarrhea. It's fun to read such things when you still can taste greasy White Castle midget-burgers in your mouth. I should look on the bright side. At least, it's not Taco Bell.

[sleeplessinca]

Thanks to you and Onan for bringing up vomit and diarrhea. It's fun to read such things when you still can taste greasy White Castle midget-burgers in your mouth. I should look on the bright side. At least, it's not Taco Bell.

The Taco Bell fresco bean burrito with extra mild "hot" sauce is a vegetarian fast food staple.  If they would only put in a handful of lettuce....  Trust me, the D and V doesn't go down any better though.

[Nucky Nolan]

The Taco Bell fresco bean burrito with extra mild "hot" sauce is a vegetarian fast food staple.  If they would only put in a handful of lettuce....  Trust me, the D and V doesn't go down any better though.

We rarely eat fast food. I won't say why because it wouldn't be fair to those of you who still like your Taco Bell. Also, don't look at certain fast food clips on You Tube. Just watching them may lead to the dreaded D and V.

[FallenSeraph]

So, Evelyn Paglini posted this on her FB page yesterday -

"I Am Going To Be On SirusXM Radio With ART BELL On October 22nd 2013 From 8:00PM to 11:00PM. Is There Any Particular Topic That You Would Like Me To Touch Base On?"

It'll be kind of cool to hear them back together again. Regardless of mixed opinions about her, I'm loving the appearances from classic guests. It gets me all nostalgic.

[Chine]

So, Evelyn Paglini posted this on her FB page yesterday -

"I Am Going To Be On SirusXM Radio With ART BELL On October 22nd 2013 From 8:00PM to 11:00PM. Is There Any Particular Topic That You Would Like Me To Touch Base On?"

It'll be kind of cool to hear them back together again. Regardless of mixed opinions about her, I'm loving the appearances from classic guests. It gets me all nostalgic.

YES! Can't wait!

[grano salis]

YES! Can't wait!

Yes, I like Evelyn too!  It should be good.  Her economic predictions are a hoot!

[guildnavigator]

Awesome! It'll be interesting to hear how this differs from the last show he did with her in 2010. It seems like just yesterday that I was posting about her previous appearance

[Chine]

Awesome! It'll be interesting to hear how this differs from the last show he did with her in 2010. It seems like just yesterday that I was posting about her previous appearance

Do you remember the show where she talked to Art about sexual energy /demonic attacks?

[Cynnie]

I love polls!!! I never met a poll I didn't like! Thanks Pirate

Me tooooo!!!

[guildnavigator]

Do you remember the show where she talked to Art about sexual energy /demonic attacks?

I totally remember this one, I think it was 2004. I know I have it on a hard drive somewhere...

[Chine]

Yes, I like Evelyn too!  It should be good.  Her economic predictions are a hoot!

Perfect timing for Halloween approaching.

[guildnavigator]

found some sort of blog that has that particular show, Chine:


Occult Aspects Of Sex With Dr. Evelyn Paglini

http://thedemoniacal.blogspot.com/2013/08/c2cam-july-11-2004-occult-aspects-of.html

[Chine]

found some sort of blog that has that particular show, Chine:


Occult Aspects Of Sex With Dr. Evelyn Paglini

http://thedemoniacal.blogspot.com/2013/08/c2cam-july-11-2004-occult-aspects-of.html

Ah, very interesting. Thanks. Going to check that out.