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Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

Dr. MD MD

Well, if we can't get a bunch of illegals in here maybe we could create some younger, less informed and more easily manipulated voters? :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO1VhuAUpW4




Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 20, 2018, 04:30:36 PM
What?  The hell you say!  The Green Bastard is as immovable as the Rock of Gibralter and twice as smart.

Cha-Ching!   ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2uMrhVfew



Gd5150

Worthy of both threads...

Geraldo on the Trump/Russia collusion investigation: “a year and a half of the most intense investigation in a half century, and there’s nothing. Give it a rest!”

Props to Jerry Rivers, life long democrat knows this mueller witch hunt  into Trump is over. Don’t hold your breath for the rest of the demokkkrat media or their lemmings to pull their heads out of their asses. They’re comfortable there.

https://youtu.be/u13fn9QlfvA

PaulAtreides

All of you ammosexuals must be shitting yourselves after Trump's announcement that he supports banning bump stops.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: PaulAtreides on February 21, 2018, 08:39:02 AM
All of you ammosexuals must be shitting yourselves after Trump's announcement that he supports banning bump stops.

It’s bump stocks and I agree that they should be banned as they make the weapon fully automatic.  The NRA also supports their ban.

Jackstar

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 21, 2018, 08:58:24 AM
they make the weapon fully automatic

That's like saying Cialis made Hef "fully potent." Come on.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 21, 2018, 08:58:24 AM
It’s bump stocks and I agree that they should be banned as they make the weapon fully automatic.  The NRA also supports their ban.

They don’t make the weapon fully automatic. That being said they are clumsy, not accurate and have no real rationale other than to lay down cover fire. I don’t see a problem banning them but if they do, there are several trigger springs and cranks that would have to be banned as well.

A bump stock will never fire a weapon as fast as an automatic or as accurately.

It wouldn’t have done anything to save any kids in Florida but may have saved people in Vegas.

Or it might have saved people in Vegas that he wasn’t firing accurately.

PaulAtreides

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 21, 2018, 08:58:24 AM
It’s bump stocks

Sorry for the mistake.  I don't play with guns.

Jackstar

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 21, 2018, 10:51:41 AM
It wouldn’t have done anything to save any kids in Florida but may have saved people in Vegas.

Or it might have saved people in Vegas that he wasn’t firing accurately.

Are you still frontin' that you believe that event was pulled by that one guy? You're adorable.

=Schlyder=

LOL bump stocks are useless.  The issue is cowtowing to the leftists.  Just fucking stop. Tell them to go pound sand.

Asuka Langley

Quote from: PaulAtreides on February 21, 2018, 08:39:02 AM
All of you ammosexuals must be shitting yourselves after Trump's announcement that he supports banning bump stops.

How can they be banned if tens of thousands of Americans already own one including myself? lol, not gonna happen people arn't going to throw them away or turn them in lol.

Bump stocks are retarded anyways but you can make one for less than $10 and you don't even need a bump stock to bumpfire.

Are the going to ban metal, screws and fingers? LOL!


Zetaspeak

Quote from: Gd5150 on February 20, 2018, 10:28:04 AM

Notice “gun control” doesn’t mention “public safety”, “children’s safety”. It’s as stupid as blaming car manufactures for car accidents. Or booze companies for DUI deaths. Or cigarette companies...oh look the idiots on the left do that to.

That actually is a real bad example. Car manufactures were blamed in the 60s for the high rate of car accidents deaths. They were pretty much death boxes compared to the cars of today. Lyndon Johnson created the " National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act" in 1966 (oooh scary big government) ever since, Motor vehicle deaths have dropped every decade.

We started having higher safety standards, mandatory crash testing, mandatory seatbelt laws, anti-lock breaks, airbags, booster seat laws, design the car to be safer etc etc. It became safer to drive a car.

Deaths per 100,000 population
1966 - 25.9
1976 - 20.9
1986 - 19.2
1996 - 15.9
2006 - 14.3
2016 - 11.6

Death by 100 Million VMT (Vehicle miles of travel)
1966 - 5.50
1976 - 3.26
1986 - 2.51
1996 - 1.69
2006 - 1.42
2016 - 1.18

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

Now back to your regularly schedules meme, infowars and shirtless dude commentaries videos


Kidnostad3

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 21, 2018, 10:51:41 AM
They don’t make the weapon fully automatic. That being said they are clumsy, not accurate and have no real rationale other than to lay down cover fire. I don’t see a problem banning them but if they do, there are several trigger springs and cranks that would have to be banned as well.

A bump stock will never fire a weapon as fast as an automatic or as accurately.

It wouldn’t have done anything to save any kids in Florida but may have saved people in Vegas.

Or it might have saved people in Vegas that he wasn’t firing accurately.

No, they do not alter the mechanism to make it fully automatic which the law makes illegal.  That’s the reason they were approved for sale under Obama.  Yes the fire is not nearly as accurate as an AR-15 on full auto.  However, they can be fired at a rate of 400-800 rounds per minute where as an AR-15  fires between 700-900.   (A BAR only fires at a rate of 500-650 RPM).  It is effectively an automatic weapon and,  as is born out by the LV shootings, it’s accurate enough to be to kill a bunch of people.

I can see no good reason for one to own one.




Quote from: PaulAtreides on February 21, 2018, 10:57:45 AM
Sorry for the mistake.  I don't play with guns.

You probably shouldn't have one.  You'd probably shoot yourself.

Asuka Langley

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 21, 2018, 11:35:41 AM
No, they do not alter the mechanism to make it fully automatic which the law makes illegal.  That’s the reason they were approved for sale under Obama.  Yes the fire is not nearly as accurate as an AR-15 on full auto.  However, they can be fired at a rate of 400-800 rounds per minute where as an AR-15  fires between 700-900.   (A BAR only fires at a rate of 500-650 RPM).  It is effectively an automatic weapon and,  as is born out by the LV shootings, it’s accurate enough to be to kill a bunch of people.

I can see no good reason for one to own one.

Pissing in libtard cheerios was enough reason for me desu~ i don't even like them or bayonets or forward grips but if it upsets a libtard i will buy it for teh lulz


GravitySucks

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on February 21, 2018, 11:35:41 AM
No, they do not alter the mechanism to make it fully automatic which the law makes illegal.  That’s the reason they were approved for sale under Obama.  Yes the fire is not nearly as accurate as an AR-15 on full auto.  However, they can be fired at a rate of 400-800 rounds per minute where as an AR-15  fires between 700-900.   (A BAR only fires at a rate of 500-650 RPM).  It is effectively an automatic weapon and,  as is born out by the LV shootings, it’s accurate enough to be to kill a bunch of people.

I can see no good reason for one to own one.

But you aren’t touching my 400 round magazines

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Zetaspeak on February 21, 2018, 11:30:47 AM
That actually is a real bad example. Car manufactures were blamed in the 60s for the high rate of car accidents deaths. They were pretty much death boxes compared to the cars of today. Lyndon Johnson created the " National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act" in 1966 (oooh scary big government) ever since, Motor vehicle deaths have dropped every decade.

We started having higher safety standards, mandatory crash testing, mandatory seatbelt laws, anti-lock breaks, airbags, booster seat laws, design the car to be safer etc etc. It became safer to drive a car.

Deaths per 100,000 population
1966 - 25.9
1976 - 20.9
1986 - 19.2
1996 - 15.9
2006 - 14.3
2016 - 11.6

Death by 100 Million VMT (Vehicle miles of travel)
1966 - 5.50
1976 - 3.26
1986 - 2.51
1996 - 1.69
2006 - 1.42
2016 - 1.18

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

Now back to your regularly schedules meme, infowars and shirtless dude commentaries videos

Actually, your analogy is bogus.  A firearm is a weapon that’s purpose is to kill.  A car is a vehicle that’s purpose is to get from point A to point B.   A gun is inherently dangerous and other than safeties. trigger locks etc., to prevent unintentional discharge and misuse by another, one wants them to be remain dangerous.  What you want to do is make guns illegal.  There are ample gun laws to minimize the misuse of guns and they can be amended to close loopholes.   The problem is they are not enforced adequately. 

GravitySucks

Quote from: Zetaspeak on February 21, 2018, 11:30:47 AM
That actually is a real bad example. Car manufactures were blamed in the 60s for the high rate of car accidents deaths. They were pretty much death boxes compared to the cars of today. Lyndon Johnson created the " National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act" in 1966 (oooh scary big government) ever since, Motor vehicle deaths have dropped every decade.

We started having higher safety standards, mandatory crash testing, mandatory seatbelt laws, anti-lock breaks, airbags, booster seat laws, design the car to be safer etc etc. It became safer to drive a car.

Deaths per 100,000 population
1966 - 25.9
1976 - 20.9
1986 - 19.2
1996 - 15.9
2006 - 14.3
2016 - 11.6

Death by 100 Million VMT (Vehicle miles of travel)
1966 - 5.50
1976 - 3.26
1986 - 2.51
1996 - 1.69
2006 - 1.42
2016 - 1.18

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

Now back to your regularly schedules meme, infowars and shirtless dude commentaries videos

You do realize that statistically, more people are killed going to buy a long gun than are actually killed by a long gun don’t you? There are less than 300 murders per year with a long gun.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 21, 2018, 11:56:04 AM
You do realize that statistically, more people are killed going to buy a long gun than are actually killed by a long gun don’t you? There are less than 300 murders per year with a long gun.


Anti gun nuts operate on emotion and symbology.

Gd5150

This is all hilarious. Ban bump stocks, raise the age to buy a rifle, lower the age to vote, raise the age to vote. Tax this, bend over for that. None of it addresses the cause of violence, murder, mass killings. Classic leftwing exploitation of a tragedy to move their agenda forward, banning all guns and getting rid of the 2nd amendment.  None of which addresses how to stop violence, murder, mass killings.

Passing more laws is a game. Murder is already illegal. People willing to ignore that law will ignore all the pointless laws about to be passed. You can make it illegal 100 different ways, people will still do it because that’s society saturated by violence in entertainment, news media, internet. Kids losing it to a point that suicide isn’t enough, that they want to lash out and take out as many with them as they can. That doesn’t happen because of bump stocks. None of this is about addressing the real issues behind school shootings.

Ban AR15’s. Ban armor piercing bullets. Ban bump stocks.

Box cutters. Airplanes into buildings. Pressure cookers full of nails. Driving a van, bus, truck into a group of people. Fill a truck full of fertilizer and take out a city block. Derail a passenger train.

Sure ban bump stocks, that’ll make the children safe. And in a week we’ll all go back to our lives til the next tragedy. Which guess what, the kid who’s going to do it already has the weapons and the lost mind.

This problem is so much bigger than fucking bump stocks or guns. Clearly the media and government could careless about addressing it. The lemmings are being used for votes, as always. Throw a couple of bones to the left, the emotions will die down in a week, and the government leaders will go back to cutting deals that enrich and empower themselves. And in a few weeks after the next tragedy, we’ll be talking about bump stocks again. Lmao!

pate

One of my many drill sergeants maintained that for a round expended to kill/casualty ratio there was NO substitute for sytematic, targeted direct fire.

3 round burst and full auto were good as suppressive fire and wasting ammunition.

I will always be set on SEMI, I can't carry enough rounds for BURST or AUTO to be effective.

Btw.  I believe the M16A1 was the last "full auto" variant. The A2-A4 are all SAFE/SEMI/BURST weapons (past 50 years or so)  not sure there are many "virgin"  A1s out there, most got re-tooled into A2/A3 if I recall correctly.

Stay frosty, my friends.


Quote from: PaulAtreides on February 21, 2018, 10:57:45 AM
Sorry for the mistake.  I don't play with guns.

This guy doesn't even know what bump stocks are, but he's against them.  It must be very reassuring to be told what to think and that it's even better to be smug about it.

''Don't think for yourself, don't listen to anyone else, we'll tell you what to think and give you some witty sounding remarks to repeat.  Be smug.  Have a bumper sticker, heck take two''

Quote from: pate on February 21, 2018, 12:12:27 PM
One of my many drill sergeants maintained that for a round expended to kill/casualty ratio there was NO substitute for sytematic, targeted direct fire.

3 round burst and full auto were good as suppressive fire and wasting ammunition...

What you have is a Congress full of people who don't have experience or expertise in anything other than getting themselves elected.  It amazes me some of the legislation they come up with, and that people accept it.  Not to mention the ideas some of them come up with that don't get passed into law. 

People who've never even been out for target practice have no business making gun laws.  They probably shouldn't even be discussing it.  What could they possibly have to offer, other than what we've see from them so far: ''gunz is scary'', ''gunz is bad''? 

Many of them come from political machines that run our big cities.  Take a look at what goes on there under their local laws.

albrecht

I think we need to ban all guns instead of following up on people who torture animals, get kicked out of school, who acts erratically,  whose peers thought was nuts, who cuts himself, posts online "I want to become a professional school shooter," has a locker full of guns, and of whom the local police had many "interactions" and the FBI was contacted twice, once specifically.

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