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« Reply #480 on: March 01, 2011, 06:26:27 PM »

I don't think we are talking with that much of a broad brush.  I take vitamin supplements every day, and even Melatonin as an occasional sleep aid.  We're referring to people who partake of natural remedies, and have absolutely no scientific basis to believe that the substance is effective, or safe, at any quantity.  Some natural remedies become more of a substantive placebo rather than a proven, safe alternative to mainstream medicine.  For some, the more doubt surrounding a remedy, the more attractive it is.

Absolutely, and you are point on General. No one can argue... I mean aspirin fer chrissakes. But the coned wax paper to remove wax buildup in the ear canal. Cocussed water that has a memory. That is where credibility has stretched to nothingness. Both nutritional supplements and vitamins are not snake oil. Are there outlandish claims made by some? Yes but no one with a lick of sense would argue the value of vitamins and nutrients.

It is rather the extraordinary claims that overstate the facts with a zealous ferver that start to erode credibility and that too has a gathering that would rather believe than learn. Vitamin C is important in many aspects of homeostasis in the body. One of its contributions is in the immune system. So some nit made the conclusion vitamin c is good for fighting colds... well yeah it is but not by ingesting mega doses when a cold comes on... but thats the simple and easy to understand story.

Anyhoo, take vitamins it will be a boon to you. How much? not sure anyone can tell, but it is not a bad strategy.

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« Reply #481 on: March 01, 2011, 06:35:58 PM »
Vitamin C is important in many aspects of homeostasis in the body. One of its contributions is in the immune system. So some nit made the conclusion vitamin c is good for fighting colds... well yeah it is but not by ingesting mega doses when a cold comes on... but thats the simple and easy to usnderstand story.

Anyhoo, take vitamins it will be a boon to you. How much? not sure anyone can tell, but it is not a bad strategy.

Linus Pauling and Robert Cathcart's research on the Vitamin C subject is really fascinating for anyone interested. 

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« Reply #482 on: March 01, 2011, 07:35:02 PM »
Yes, what Marc said. I mostly meant people who use those products in lieu of actual medical treatment, or even as a preventative measure. Like all these claims that apple cider vinegar flushes the toxins from your body, lifts your mood, gives you energy, aids weight-loss, etc. It's just not true. I guess it can cause weight loss by making you feel full, and not eating. It can also destroy your teeth and cause an ulcer if you drink too much of it undiluted.

About the colloidal silver -- I read an article a while ago that was titled something like "Colloidal Silver: All Risk, No Benefit".

Maybe it's just the typical Oregon granola mindset I'm surrounded by, but I feel this mentality is everywhere and it's frustrating.   

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« Reply #483 on: March 01, 2011, 07:37:12 PM »
Linus Pauling and Robert Cathcart's research on the Vitamin C subject is really fascinating for anyone interested.

Thanks, I'll check it out. Also, vitamin D research has shown some promising results.

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« Reply #484 on: March 01, 2011, 10:20:44 PM »
Thanks, I'll check it out. Also, vitamin D research has shown some promising results.
Do a google search for "steve Gibson vitamin d" and listen to that episode of his podcast. Fascinating. I now take vitamin d daily.

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« Reply #485 on: March 01, 2011, 10:43:21 PM »
as i understand, some vitamin supplements still require proper foods to help absorb them. i've also heard it said somewhere that just taking lots of vitamins only produces expensive urine.
 
i recommend ernest borgnine's secret to long life.  8)
 

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« Reply #486 on: March 01, 2011, 10:57:46 PM »
i've also heard it said somewhere that just taking lots of vitamins only produces expensive urine. 

This is true in a lot of cases. Most vitamin deficiencies can be rectified through diet, which is the best way for absorption. With some exceptions, of course.

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« Reply #487 on: March 01, 2011, 10:58:20 PM »
Do a google search for "steve Gibson vitamin d" and listen to that episode of his podcast. Fascinating. I now take vitamin d daily.

Thanks, I will check it out.

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« Reply #488 on: March 01, 2011, 11:33:15 PM »
as i understand, some vitamin supplements still require proper foods to help absorb them. i've also heard it said somewhere that just taking lots of vitamins only produces expensive urine.
 

Vitamins come in 2 varieties water soluable and fat soluable. Expensive urine is from over use of water soluable. Fat soluable vitamins can build up toxic levels in the body. Although it seems there is more concern about vitamin A and D. High levels of E and K seem to be less concerning.

Nutrition is a very complicated subject not easily addressed in a forum about radio (stupid grin). Proper diet is always a no-brainer... on paper, daily life can knock the crap out of anyone's plan for healthy eating.

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« Reply #489 on: March 01, 2011, 11:48:49 PM »

It can derive from a mental pathology whereby anything "mainstream" is suspect, and anything "fringe" is somehow more effective.
 
Let's call it the "Snakeoil Pathology". 

Don't you mean Natural Snakeoil Pathology?  --to distinguish from its evil chemical counterpart?

Anagrammy

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« Reply #490 on: March 02, 2011, 12:51:58 AM »
Vitamins come in 2 varieties water soluable and fat soluable. Expensive urine is from over use of water soluable. Fat soluable vitamins can build up toxic levels in the body. Although it seems there is more concern about vitamin A and D. High levels of E and K seem to be less concerning.

Nutrition is a very complicated subject not easily addressed in a forum about radio (stupid grin). Proper diet is always a no-brainer... on paper, daily life can knock the crap out of anyone's plan for healthy eating.

Nicely and concisely said... for a liberal :) (just kidding)

Nutrition and supplements can be a very touchy subject on ANY forum - I've had my share of battles with the over-hyped nutjobs. Maybe in a day or two I'll briefly throw in my 2¢ worth - I promise not to ramble. ;)

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« Reply #491 on: March 02, 2011, 12:32:57 PM »
vitamins & supplements - i take a Stresstab like multi vitamin w/ zinc 'daily'.  along with a selenium supplement and fish oil capsules.  'daily' - when i remember. 

somehow i feel like this talk of colloidal silver belongs under the Goblin Juice thread as that is the sort of fluid i would expect goblins to leak when squeezed at high pressure

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« Reply #492 on: March 02, 2011, 12:56:39 PM »
somehow i feel like this talk of colloidal silver belongs under the Goblin Juice thread as that is the sort of fluid i would expect goblins to leak when squeezed at high pressure

Unlike colloidal silver, Goblin Juice works.  But it won't make you fly.

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« Reply #493 on: March 02, 2011, 02:59:27 PM »
Unlike colloidal silver, Goblin Juice works.  But it won't make you fly.

If you want to get your vitamins and anti-oxidants in liquid form (and you want to fly), there is only one way to go...
 
 


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« Reply #495 on: March 02, 2011, 06:22:43 PM »
Samuel Smith's Oatmeal Stout

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« Reply #496 on: March 02, 2011, 06:49:20 PM »
vitamins & supplements - i take a Stresstab like multi vitamin w/ zinc 'daily'.  along with a selenium supplement and fish oil capsules.  'daily' - when i remember. 

somehow i feel like this talk of colloidal silver belongs under the Goblin Juice thread as that is the sort of fluid i would expect goblins to leak when squeezed at high pressure

Actually - I have used colloidal silver as a topical antiseptic - worked fine.  I don' think I'd trust it as a systemic antibiotic, though.

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« Reply #497 on: March 02, 2011, 06:50:29 PM »
Speaking of metals used as an antiseptic, can you still buy Mercurochrome?

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« Reply #498 on: March 02, 2011, 07:19:46 PM »
Speaking of metals used as an antiseptic, can you still buy Mercurochrome?

You can still buy topical antiseptic called Mercurochrome but given THIS - I'm not sure it's the same formula.

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« Reply #499 on: March 02, 2011, 08:47:00 PM »
You can still buy topical antiseptic called Mercurochrome but given THIS - I'm not sure it's the same formula.

that is so hilarious you guys - it is still a running joke in our family... my dad still swears by it. In fact, a visiting nurse came by the other day, and asked my dad what that reddish-orange stuff was on his arm. Of course, it was his miracle juice - mercurochrome. Now you've made me want to go see if his bottle has a date on it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was from the 70's or 80's ;)

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« Reply #500 on: March 02, 2011, 10:42:32 PM »
it's been around since 2007? news to me. http://www.crackle.com/about/

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« Reply #501 on: March 03, 2011, 12:01:42 AM »
Speaking of metals used as an antiseptic, can you still buy Mercurochrome?

Speaking of Mercury, I had all my mercury amalgams removed from my teeth.
I had a lot of health problems that have since gone away.  Interesting.
I really always wondered why the only place mercury is considered safe anymore is
IN YOUR MOUTH.

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« Reply #502 on: March 03, 2011, 07:54:50 AM »
Heh, why do I love stuff like this?  It seems that some Tucsonans are having a harder time reconciling than others: 

A Pima Community College instructor is facing trespassing charges after chanting and praying - at times about the Jan. 8 shooting victims - while sitting at the entrance of the Safeway where the shooting took place, deputies said.

When deputies arrived at the grocery store they found Hewlett sitting at the entrance in a yoga position with his shoes off, praying out loud chanting "we are the ones you have been waiting for," and "we are the chosen ones," according to Pima County sheriff's office records.

The complete story can be found here- http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_c745cb86-2247-5ea4-a2a4-8fd6ecf36de0.html

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« Reply #503 on: March 03, 2011, 08:32:24 AM »
I really always wondered why the only place mercury is considered safe anymore is
IN YOUR MOUTH.

You ask a question that shows a good amount of insight. As humans we compartmentalize almost everything we do. From where we eat to how we discuss issues with others. So it isn't hard to see the thought "there is a thing called mercury poisoning, that is bad, all mercury is poisonous." Although specifically that is true it also doesn't tell the whole story.

I am not a chemistry whiz, and do not claim to be. That said... here goes. Mercury is most toxic in a vaporous form ingested by inhaling. That most often happens in some form of manufacturing process. It can also happen from what I understand by certain folk medicines that use some form of mercury (something called azogue I think). I am sure there are other ways as well.

Although not often seen anymore thermometers with mercury have been suspected culprits of mercuric poisoning. A child bites too hard on the thermometer and whoops there goes a dollop of liquid silver down the gullet. Much more often than not the chance of poisoning is small.

The real culprit to poisoning with mercury comes from escaped mercury into the environment where it "dries out" and finds it way into water bodies. In those bodies of water bacteria start to work on the mercury changing it into methylmercury which then enters into our food chain.

Dental implants using amalgams seem to be of very little to no threat medicinally speaking. It is difficult to argue with anecdotal reports because there are just too many variables to ever actually get to any substantive proof. Still the anecdote is valid on its face.

Sorry for ranting here. I am a vaccine supportive individual. Anytime mercury becomes the subject I have an immediate knee-jerk reaction. Yes mercury is a significant toxin and needs to be controlled. But there are many benefits from using mercury appropriately. To eschew mercury because of legitimate reasons makes all the sense in the world. To avoid its use secondary to bad science is of no benefit to anyone.

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« Reply #504 on: March 03, 2011, 10:21:12 AM »
You ask a question that shows a good amount of insight. As humans we compartmentalize almost everything we do. From where we eat to how we discuss issues with others. So it isn't hard to see the thought "there is a thing called mercury poisoning, that is bad, all mercury is poisonous." Although specifically that is true it also doesn't tell the whole story.

I am not a chemistry whiz, and do not claim to be. That said... here goes. Mercury is most toxic in a vaporous form ingested by inhaling. That most often happens in some form of manufacturing process. It can also happen from what I understand by certain folk medicines that use some form of mercury (something called azogue I think). I am sure there are other ways as well.

Although not often seen anymore thermometers with mercury have been suspected culprits of mercuric poisoning. A child bites too hard on the thermometer and whoops there goes a dollop of liquid silver down the gullet. Much more often than not the chance of poisoning is small.

The real culprit to poisoning with mercury comes from escaped mercury into the environment where it "dries out" and finds it way into water bodies. In those bodies of water bacteria start to work on the mercury changing it into methylmercury which then enters into our food chain.

Dental implants using amalgams seem to be of very little to no threat medicinally speaking. It is difficult to argue with anecdotal reports because there are just too many variables to ever actually get to any substantive proof. Still the anecdote is valid on its face.

Sorry for ranting here. I am a vaccine supportive individual. Anytime mercury becomes the subject I have an immediate knee-jerk reaction. Yes mercury is a significant toxin and needs to be controlled. But there are many benefits from using mercury appropriately. To eschew mercury because of legitimate reasons makes all the sense in the world. To avoid its use secondary to bad science is of no benefit to anyone.

I appreciate your thoughtful reply, but the tide is turning the other way about mercury in dentistry.  It's my opinion that in our lifetime, we will see a ban on the use of amalgam.  There is recent activity that you may not be aware of.  Late last year, hearings were held by the FDA to reevaluate the safety of dental amalgam fillings.  The IAOMT and other anti-amalgam groups and individuals petitioned the agency to reconsider its risk classification of amalgam.  In december, the FDA’s own scientific panel of neurologists, toxicologists, epidemiologists, and environmental health specialists – recommended that the agency stop amalgam use in children, pregnant women, and the hypersensitive population.  If the FDA follows these recommendations, it will be a huge reversal from their previously held position. After reviewing the newly available scientific studies and the presentations of researchers, experts, dentists, and injured consumers, the panel concluded that amalgam is not as safe as they thought.  Research has shown that dental amalgam does release vapor mercury: 

A Swedish study of autopsies examined the mercury levels in brains and kidneys and found a strong correlation with the number of amalgam fillings. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3481133
 
A German study found that mercury urinary excretion was significantly higher in those with dental amalgam fillings.  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2080964

Research on monkeys has shown that mercury vapor released from dental amalgam restorations is absorbed and accumulates in various organs such as the kidney, brain, lung, liver, gastro-intestinal tract, & exocrine glands.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2227216

I am not a chemist, either.  But the research looks to me like the tide is turning.  If we know mercury is toxic, and we know now that it is released from dental amalgams, we shouldn't be using it.



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« Reply #505 on: March 03, 2011, 10:35:02 AM »
Geez, aside from the obvious tragedy itself, you've got to wonder what the long-term effects on the 20-somethings in the choppers are going to be- Nine Afghan Boys Collecting Firewood Killed by NATO Helicopters- http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/world/asia/03afghan.html?_r=2&hp

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« Reply #506 on: March 03, 2011, 11:27:13 AM »

Wanted to Quote you Aldous but somehow I didnt get it to work:

yeah war stinks. sorry to be flip... I wish I had the answer. I hate the term collateral damage (not that I read it here--just inferred)... like it is the same as knocking over a display case full of tomato soup. Wonder what the long term affects are for everyone. the helocopter crew, their friends and family. The victims, their friends and family. the politicians that will maneuver the issue for their gains... and all the deniars and their compensatory skills. its all shit sucking at its best... Carlin pegged it we are all spiralling the drain...

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« Reply #508 on: March 03, 2011, 11:34:10 AM »
I am not a chemist, either.  But the research looks to me like the tide is turning.  If we know mercury is toxic, and we know now that it is released from dental amalgams, we shouldn't be using it.[/b]

Looks like I am setting down to a big ole helping of humble pie... should have done some reading before just reiterating info in my head from 20+ years ago...

Good stuff General and I will be more circumspect with future responses.

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« Reply #509 on: March 03, 2011, 11:46:26 AM »
Looks like I am setting down to a big ole helping of humble pie...
Not at all.  I really think there has been a deliberate attempt to play this down in the media and by the ADA, so people just aren't aware of it.  I'm aware of it because I had medical problems that a brilliant naturopathic doctor helped me with.  I had ulcerative colitis which isn't supposed to ever go away... but mine went away and has been gone for 2 & 1/2 years after having my mercury amalgams removed and following a diet/herbal/vitamin regimen.  Doctors now say I never had it, the same doctor that diagnosed me with it, and  had prescribed me medicine to keep it in check.  He laughs about the mercury connection.  But it is a well established fact that one of the effects of mercury poisoning is ulcerative colitis.  They refuse to say that it is cured, they say that I either never had it or that it is in remission and will come back.  We'll see, I guess.

So does amalgam cause ulcerative colitis?  No, but susceptable individuals like myself who are prone to develop it genetically shouldn't be given something that can make the difference between health and sickness.