Glenn Beck

[DoYouThinkItWasAngels]

"they are leading us to slaughter" is a perfect example of the opposite of advocating violence. Is that the way you read?

We've seen how Beck hunts progressives. We saw how he went after Van Jones, for instance. Calling that violent is really stretching.

As for Clowardâ€"Piven strategy, you can read the original paper here.

Widespread campaigns to register the eligible poor for welfare aid, and to help existing recipients obtain their full benefits, would produce bureaucratic disruption in welfare agencies and fiscal disruption in local and state governments. These disruptions would generate severe political strains....

[fabucat]

i'm not sure i understand specifically what you mean in this.  please elaborate.

For future reference, you don't have the right to incite violence specifically, under Brandenberg v. Ohio.[i[/i]  You can insult someone,  call him "Barack the Magic Negro," but you cannot say that "Dr. Frances Piven, Professor at City Univ. of NY helped bring this economy down, and she must be taken out."  You don't have the right to have Dr. Piven's address featured on your website.  On your website, also, your contributors do NOT have the right to discuss which type of weapon should be used to "take Dr. Piven out."

Every other political talk radio and television host does NOT enter into that territory.  Only Beck crosses the line.  Sorry. 

In addition, the airwaves are deemed public property, and accordingly, must serve the public interest.  Freedom of speech, therefore, is not absolute on the public airwaves.  You are prohibited from using certain words.  You cannot broadcast pornographic material.  You cannot put our soldiers at risk in Afghanistan and Iraq by broadcasting their whereabouts.  The restrictions are numerous.

Glenn Beck, or anyone else, does not have the right to incite violence on the public airwaves.  (I guess it's an open question as to how OR if these restrictions apply to CABLE TV).

[fabucat]

"they are leading us to slaughter" is a perfect example of the opposite of advocating violence. Is that the way you read?

We've seen how Beck hunts progressives. We saw how he went after Van Jones, for instance. Calling that violent is really stretching.

As for Clowardâ€"Piven strategy, you can read the original paper here.

I've read Piven's work.  Piven said that she believe that people should know what kind of help they could get from the government.  Beck's problem with her is that he's against welfare period.   Beck should've said that, but I guess that wasn't sexy enough.

I of course didn't care for Beck's going after Van Jones, but that was within bounds. 

Anyway, I don't care WHAT Piven's beliefs were/are.  I don't even care if she's a real Nazi.  She's a private citizen, and unlike Van Jones, she not working at the WHITE HOUSE.  Targeting anyone, but especially a private citizen, for harassment and violence is out of bounds.

Listen, unlike a lot of "liberals," I was AGAINST the drive to oust torture advocate John Yoo from his position at Berkeley Law school.  Just about everything John Yoo stands for  makes me nauseous.  Maybe you really dig everything John Yoo is about.  His beliefs really are immaterial to this discussion.  I come from an academic family and therefore academic freedom is a core concept with me. 

Personally, I think that BOTH John Yoo and Dr. Piven should be allowed to write, research and teach as they please, without disturbance from outside political activists of any stripe.

[DoYouThinkItWasAngels]

Every other political talk radio and television host does NOT enter into that territory.  Only Beck crosses the line.  Sorry. 

So why hasn't he been charged?

In addition, the airwaves are deemed public property, and accordingly, must serve the public interest.

They are not legitimately public property because the government did not do the work of discovering them.

[fabucat]

We've seen how Beck hunts progressives. We saw how he went after Van Jones, for instance. Calling that violent is really stretching.


[/quote]

A lot of people, especially me, would be really bored if every one thought just like us.  Not Beck.  He wants to hunt down and demonize every one who does not think the way he does. 

Interestingly, I'd never call myself a "conservative hunter."  They simply are people with whom I occasionally disagree and sometimes agree with every once in a great while.  No, I'm not thrilled that the airwaves are filled with 1900 conservative talkers to 80 liberal talkers.  But if there were no conservatives AT ALL, I don't think that I could get out of bed in the morning.  I guess that the clash of ideas excites me, I don't know. 

Finally, if Tea Partiers actually talked to a real progressive, they'd be shocked at how much we'd agree.  I hate the Fed.  I hate NAFTA.  I think that our borders should be controlled.  I hate the WTO.  I'm all for "buying American," to the extent that any one can buy American anymore. 

[onan]

"they are leading us to slaughter" is a perfect example

...

of pandering. and yes it is the way I read.

I will go so far as to concede there is some rhetoric which could be misconstrued by the likes of beck. But if you are going to take that point of view then by all means take a look at the pinkertons in the homestead area of Pittsburgh, or the southwestern area of West Virginia in the late 1800's or the Palmer Raids in 1919.

I am not trying to change your position, only suggesting another side has very valid points.

[onan]

So why hasn't he been charged?

They are not legitimately public property because the government did not do the work of discovering them.

To your first point, I dunno why he hasnt been charged mebbe that isn't really the point, the point is he crossed a line and if you cannot at least concede to another point of view then the discussion isnt worth going on.

To your second point... huh? wha? airwaves aren't actually public property. maybe in some fine precise legal definition property may not be completely accurate but I would be hard pressed to walk into any court or governing body and find law, rule, policy, or guideline that suggested differently. I dunno what you are trying to argue but it doesn't carry water.

[fabucat]

I correct myself, CABLE TV, has no such regulations.  That's why you can hear Tony Soprano say "f*ck."  And watch Beckkk pretend to poison Pelosi.  All other airwaves are considered public, however.  That's why Beck actually is tamer on his radio show than on his cable TV show. 

Here's a transcript of a recent Beckkk rant, along with the link:

http://bit.ly/dWZQJ9

Quote: “The radicals that you and Washington have co-opted and brought in wearing sheep's clothing â€" change the pose. You will get the ends. You've been using them? They believe in communism. They believe and have called for a revolution. You're going to have to shoot them in the head.”


Here’s the--even more inflammatory--larger context of that Glenn Beck clip:

http://tinyurl.com/5rwejno

"I will stand against you and so will millions of others. We believe in something--you in the media and most in Washington don't.

The RADICALS that you and Washington have co-opted and brought in wearing sheep's clothing â€" change the pose. You will get the ends. You've been USING them? They BELIEVE in communism. They BELIEVE and have called for a revolution. You're going to have to shoot them in the head.

But, warning, they may shoot you. They’re dangerous because they BELIEVE. Karl Marx is their George Washington. You’ll never change their mind. And if they feel you’ve LIED to them? They’re REVOLUTIONARIES! Nancy Pelosi, THOSE are the people you should worry about.

Here’s my advice. When you’re dealing with people who believe in something THAT strongly, you take them SERIOUSLY--you LISTEN to their words and you believe that they will follow up with what they say. Didn’t we learn that lesson from Osama bin Laden? I heard his warning in 1998. I said on the air at the time, “LISTEN TO HIM!” We didn’t listen. We didn’t listen to the revolutionaries in Germany, the revolutionaries in Russia, or Venezuela, or Cuba, NO-NO-NO!


They all have one thing in common. They have ALL called for REVOLUTION!! They want to overthrow our entire system of government, and their WORDS SAY IT! Why won’t you BELIEVE IT?! The revolution of 1776 was a PICNIC compared to what the revolutionaries of today would like to do. It’s not a lot of fun, usually millions of people die. But I’m glad to see that our politicians will co-opt those people so they can have POWER. Fundamental transformation. It’s what America is going through right now. And the progressives, the Marxist revolutionary progressives, are still not happy.”

[fabucat]

So why hasn't he been charged?

Why aren't Bush & Cheney in jail as war criminals?  If you have the capital you don't do the punishment.

They are not legitimately public property because the government did not do the work of discovering them.

Wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/02/opinion/02copps.html?pagewanted=print

[fabucat]

From the FCC website:

"In exchange for obtaining a valuable license to operate a broadcast station using the public airwaves, each radio and television licensee is required by law to operate its station in the “public interest, convenience and necessity.”  This means that it must air programming that is responsive to the needs and problems of its local community of license.



To do so, each station licensee must affirmatively identify those needs and problems and then specifically treat those local matters that it deems to be significant in the news, public affairs, political and other programming that it airs.  As discussed at page 29 of this Manual, each station must provide the public with information about how it has met this obligation by means of quarterly reports, which contain a listing of the programming that it has aired that the licensee believes provided significant treatment of issues facing the community.  As discussed in detail at pages 25-31 of this Manual, each station also must maintain and make available to any member of the public for inspection, generally at its studio, a local public inspection file which contains these reports, as well as other materials that pertain to the station’s operations and dealings with the FCC and with the community that it is licensed to serve.  The public file is an excellent resource to gauge a station’s performance of its obligations as a Commission licensee.  In the future, television stations with websites will be required to post most of the content of their public files on their websites, or on the website of their state local broadcasters association, if permitted.

[DoYouThinkItWasAngels]

The RADICALS that you and Washington have co-opted and brought in wearing sheep's clothing â€" change the pose. You will get the ends. You've been USING them? They BELIEVE in communism. They BELIEVE and have called for a revolution. You're going to have to shoot them in the head.

Beck is talking to the administration, telling the administration that they are going to have to shoot their communist pals in the head, when the Communists launch their revolution.  He is not all telling his listeners to shoot anybody.  Is this how desperate the left is to find something to pin on Glenn Beck? hahaha!!!

[anagrammy]

We are missing the show!  OMG I caught the young turks today on youtube and bingo--they are listing TWENTY advertisers who have dumped Glenn Beck in the last 2 days because of his absolutely awful characterizations of President Obama as a hater of white people, a racist (I know, he is surrounded by white people except for his family, but let's not cloud the issue with evidence). 

The example on the youngturks was the Beckpecker crying it up about his daughter with cerebral palsy (which is, of course, sad, but she has overcome and is in college).  He holds up a poster from Nazi Germany which shows a cerebral palsy victim and a sign over his head about how much it costs to keep him alive.  And there's his little gnarled hand, which reminds Beckpecker of his child's little hand, and the point?  Obama is going to have cripple people killed because they cost too much.

I can see you shaking your head, I hear your pshaw and your thoughts "Anagrammy has gone to far this time..."   CHeck it out for yourself, my friend, this is one of those "you can't make this stuff up"


Glenn Beck Loses Even More Advertisers

Hmmm. Maybe he is the rodeo clown anti-Christ we've all been waiting for.

Anagrammy
(bring a hanky)

[valdez]

  Obama is going to have cripple people killed because they cost too much.

I didn't hear him actually say that.  I'll stand with Beck (and Palin) over this young turd turk guy any day of the week.

[onan]

     I didn't hear him actually say that.  I'll stand with Beck (and Palin) over this young turd turk guy any day of the week.

I am not sure what you are standing with Beck and Palin over? I mean if you are standing with them because they deserve equal care under the law and medical treatment... I guess I will stand there too. But:


Glen Beck:
"In the health care bill, we're now offering insurance for dogs."

forty-five percent of doctors "say they'll quit" if health care reform passes.

John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."

"Why do we have automatic citizenship upon birth? We're the only country in the world that has it."

Sarah Palin:
Seniors and the disabled "will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care."

"Pls refer to Jan.1 tax changes appropriately: they're OBAMA TAX HIKES & they'll slam every American's savings, investments & job opportunity"

"Democrats are poised now to cause this largest tax increase in U.S. history."

"Ronald Reagan faced an even worse recession"

A provision in the health care reform bill for end-of-life counseling for seniors is not "entirely voluntary."

"The truth was revealed there in that report that showed there was no unlawful or unethical activity on my part."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

All I'm sayin is these two loons have a tough time sharing ideas... they are STELLAR in their ability to pander.

[JustOneFix]

I'm not familiar with "The Young Turks" but it smacks of some basement production at the local public access TV station.

As for Glenn Beck- he's annoying. Just another talking head.  Reminds me of an alky emo boy.

[MV/Liberace!]

Finally, if Tea Partiers actually talked to a real progressive, they'd be shocked at how much we'd agree. 

the tea party movement is not a "conservative" movement.  it is a libertarian movement. 

[GuerrillaUnReal]

the tea party movement is not a "conservative" movement.  it is a libertarian movement.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Anyway, I'm glad Beck is losing steam... the guy is a fucking lunatic. The guy would be absolutely hilarious if there wasn't a portion of the population who thinks he's telling the truth. I actually do 45 seconds of Beck talking about the Egyptian Revolution in my stand-up act (his going off on the revolution was one of the craziest, xenophobic, paranoid, quasi-racist rants I've ever heard) He's one of a few people I will punch in the face if I'm ever within arms reach. Just another drugged out conservative looney piping racist and insane bullshit for the people dumb enough to buy it. I honestly hope he dies poor, slow, and alone.

[MV/Liberace!]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

i don't know what that's all about. 


anyway, the fact that beck, hannity, palin, and to a lesser degree limbaugh have decided to suckle up to ron paul's tea party movement doesn't change what it really is... a libertarian movement.  it might be manifesting its self in the form of more republicans getting elected, but that's only because in our two party system, you can't empower a political ideology without doing so under an R or D wrapper.  that might change in the future, but not any time soon.  hell, that's why ron paul himself is technically a member of the republican party... but do you think he really wants it that way or wears it on his sleeve?

[MV/Liberace!]

and where can we hear your standup?

[anagrammy]

and where can we hear your standup?

Me too- inquiring minds want to know where we can catch you in the act.

Anagrammy

[MV/Liberace!]

OMG I caught the young turks today on youtube and bingo--they are listing TWENTY advertisers who have dumped Glenn Beck in the last 2 days because of his absolutely awful characterizations of President Obama as a hater of white people, a racist (I know, he is surrounded by white people except for his family, but let's not cloud the issue with evidence). 

i don't like beck or care what happens to him, but holy shit, that young turks show is just about as fun as rectal cancer, and that guy's take on things is utterly predictable.  any time i've caught a bit of it, it's "insert predictable leftist viewpoint here."  it's exactly like listening to hannity, only not as professional or successful.


also, if we're going to talk about evidence of how obama sees white people (rather than assess him based solely on what he publicly shows us for the purpose of acquiring and retaining power), i feel compelled to point to his past associations (of over 20 years) when making this determination.





when i was around 13 years old, someone warned me, "you are who you walk with."  that really stuck with me, and i apply it to most people i encounter... particularly politicians who, more often than not, live their lives hiding what they really are.  i believe, regardless of how crazy anyone here says i am, that the above association marks a rare instance in which we were given a glimpse of what really lies in a politician's heart.  i just don't see how one could be exposed to such acidic bilge for 20 years by accident.


edit:  and take note of the fact that obama left that association ONLY when it became politically expedient to do so.  there's loyalty for you.

[JustOneFix]

Something for the Beck haters(myself included) http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=174797.0

Beck got his start here in the Tampa Market, the thread I linked to is a pretty good read.

[MV/Liberace!]

Something for the Beck haters(myself included) http://boards.radio-info.com/smf/index.php?topic=174797.0

Beck got his start here in the Tampa Market, the thread I linked to is a pretty good read.

that certainly was interesting.  thanks for the link.

[b_dubb]

i think Beck seems like he's pretty a-political.  really ... he just seems to follow whichever direction the marbles in his head seem to be rolling at any given moment.  usually straight towards crazy

[anagrammy]

i think Beck seems like he's pretty a-political.  really ... he just seems to follow whichever direction the marbles in his head seem to be rolling at any given moment.  usually straight towards crazy

You must mean it doesn't much matter if you go over a cliff on the extreme right or extreme left, right?

Anagrammy

[b_dubb]

something like that.  the guy is a raving lunatic.  i don't think there's a political affiliation that fits

[onan]

i think Beck seems like he's pretty a-political.  really ... he just seems to follow whichever direction the marbles in his head seem to be rolling at any given moment.  usually straight towards crazy

I do not listen to beck... I did early pre-cnn days to get a feel for his positions... He used to say he was conservative with a liberal bent or something like that... I never heard anything liberal come out of his mouth.

But then again I do not listen to him... When he was first hired on CNN I spoke to one of his show producers, yeah I was not happy. I asked why they thought Beck was a good spokesman for their station? The producer had nothing to say. nothing. When I asked what kind of show he would have she responded it would be a commentary on the news of the day. When I proceded with why do we need more commentary when most stories are so complicated and needed more edification not opinion the producer responded that although news always needed more explanation viewers did not want that. yup viewers didn't want that... So much for CNN.

[b_dubb]

i feel stupid and contagious
here we are now entertain us

yeah

[TaoOfLuxLisbon]

when i was around 13 years old, someone warned me, "you are who you walk with."  that really stuck with me, and i apply it to most people i encounter... particularly politicians who, more often than not, live their lives hiding what they really are.  i believe, regardless of how crazy anyone here says i am, that the above association marks a rare instance in which we were given a glimpse of what really lies in a politician's heart.  i just don't see how one could be exposed to such acidic bilge for 20 years by accident.


edit:  and take note of the fact that obama left that association ONLY when it became politically expedient to do so.  there's loyalty for you.

More likely, Obama never really went to that church enough to hear Wright's more controversial sermons, and is essentially a secret agnostic or atheist. Which as a politican, is death. This country would in fact elect a Muslim before they ever elect someone "godless". Imagine if Obama fessed up and admitted he picked the church out of the phone book and just showed up to a bake sale now and again, but spent Sundays watching the Bears game? Yet, for as much as Wright is a nutjob, it's apparently still better to go there than having no church at all. Obama's mother was an atheist, but then again.......she was also white which apparently Obama is not allowed to be either, from what I read.

Shit, I think it's in the constitution that you can't run for prez as an atheist. Might as well be.

[anagrammy]

HAHAHAHAHA!

(for more delicious articles just google "beck backlash")

Conservatives Turn Against Glenn Beck Over Caliphate Conspiracy

Over the past 18 months Glenn Beck has become something akin to the Rush Limbaugh of television.  Like Limbaugh, many conservatives and Republicans likely disagree with much of Beck’s harsh rhetoric and ultra-conservative positions.  However, few, if any, are willing to speak out against the two men for fear of the backlash that may result.  By all accounts Limbaugh still retains this status, but there are signs that more of the conservative world is starting to turn on Beck.  Recently a number of notable conservatives have criticized Beck over his "caliphate conspiracy theory" on Egypt.

For those unfamiliar with Beck caliphate theory, Beck believes that the fall of President Hosni Mubarak, who has ruled the country as a dictator for 30 years, will lead the election of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.  Other experts have pointed out that the Muslim Brotherhood does not have majority support in Egypt, but needless to say Beck disagrees.  The fall of Egypt, under Beck's theory, will then lead to the fall of every other nation in the Middle East along with India, Australia, Portugal, Spain, France, and even the United Kingdom.  These countries will all be united under a Islamic leader called a "caliph" and eventually this caliphate will rule over America as well.  Under Beck's conspiracy theory, the fall of Egypt which eventually endanger the way of life for every small town American.

Of course, liberals have called Beck paranoid and crazy as they usually do.  However, this time around some conservatives seem to be joining them.  Most notable is William Kristol, a frequent contributor on Fox News and a harsh critic of the Obama administration, who wrote of Beck's theory,

    "But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960s."

Kristol wrote that column in The Weekly Standard, a popular publication among conservatives.  Time's Joe Klein also reports that many prominent Republicans approached Fox News owners Rupert Murdoch and President Roger Ailes complaining about Beck.  The Republicans reportedly aruged that Beck is damaging the brand of the Republican Party with his far-out theories.

Last November Limbaugh also seemed to take issue with at least one of Beck's theories.  When a caller asked Limbaugh whether he should follow Beck's advice to start storing food, Limbaugh dismissed the idea as silly.  Beck might be left with a very small audience when his ideas are considered too extreme for Bill Kristol and Rush Limbaugh.  This might explain's Beck ratings decrease of 50% over the last year.

Continue reading on Examiner.com: Conservatives turn on Glenn Beck over ‘caliphate’ conspiracy theory - National Political Buzz | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/conservatives-turn-on-glenn-beck-over-caliphate-conspiracy-theory#ixzz1FNImjiqY