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Started by Norm, January 21, 2018, 12:49:08 AM

TigerLily

Well, well, well. Thank you, PB and Doc, for your thoughtful if somewhat angry responses. When I first ventured into Politics here I had never heard of Breitbart. Thought I was missing something important. I really did give it a serious look overall and looked at particular topics discussed here. Then in my normal mode tried to find corroborating sources. When Clinton Cash came out I researched the whole Uranium One deal. I continued when people I disagreed with but respected seemed on to something hot I looked at those particular topics. Even walking one person through my findings. Researching and looking for sources. Pizzagate, Obama wire tapping, voter fraud. I researched all of those and others. I knew Fox wasn't news but opinion just like MSNBC and even Alex doesn't believe his own stuff.

I had many policy and transactional disagreements with Clinton, Clinton, Obama and even my beloved Bernie

I fully admit I am an "extreme" liberal. And a total social justice warrior. For me it's not so much politics as feeling everyone deserves a fair shake. That whole color of your skin vs the content of your character. I don't think billionaires are better than me and with many disadvantaged, there but for the Grace of God go I. Maybe you feel the same way

So, you two. How would you de-program me? What sources would open my eyes to what I need to know?

Jackstar

Quote from: TigerLily on January 22, 2018, 12:40:10 AM
How would you de-program me? What sources would open my eyes to what I need to know?

The Instagram feed of James Alefantis, and that fucking polenta.

TigerLily


Googled Alefantis. Looks creepy but I will give it a shot. Nothing ventured ...
But I draw the line at fucking polenta

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on January 22, 2018, 12:40:10 AM
For me it's not so much politics as feeling everyone deserves a fair shake.

And you thought electing a criminal who's fully admitted she doesn't give a shit about the little people would result in that?! ???

Do you see why we sometimes question your sanity? :)

TigerLily

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 22, 2018, 02:05:38 AM
And you thought electing a criminal who's fully admitted she doesn't give a shit about the little people would result in that?! ???

Do you see why we sometimes question your sanity? :)

Yes and Demented Donny* cares soooo much. He has one philosophy and one policy: Me First

So anyplace you know where I can do research on your pov? Go ahead. Send me an InfoWars link. I dare you

*For his one year anniversary I gifted the old guy with a nickname since he's so fond of them

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on January 22, 2018, 02:36:09 AM
Yes and Demented Donny* cares soooo much. He has one philosophy and one policy: Me First

So anyplace you know where I can do research on your pov? Go ahead. Send me an InfoWars link. I dare you

*For his one year anniversary I gifted the old guy with a nickname since he's so fond of them

No, there's no hope for you. If you haven't picked up anything in the time you've been here you probably never will. You are truly a lost Jim Jones level cult member. :(


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on January 22, 2018, 12:40:10 AM
Well, well, well. Thank you, PB and Doc, for your thoughtful if somewhat angry responses. When I first ventured into Politics here I had never heard of Breitbart. Thought I was missing something important. I really did give it a serious look overall and looked at particular topics discussed here. Then in my normal mode tried to find corroborating sources. When Clinton Cash came out I researched the whole Uranium One deal. I continued when people I disagreed with but respected seemed on to something hot I looked at those particular topics. Even walking one person through my findings. Researching and looking for sources. Pizzagate, Obama wire tapping, voter fraud. I researched all of those and others. I knew Fox wasn't news but opinion just like MSNBC and even Alex doesn't believe his own stuff.

I had many policy and transactional disagreements with Clinton, Clinton, Obama and even my beloved Bernie

I fully admit I am an "extreme" liberal. And a total social justice warrior. For me it's not so much politics as feeling everyone deserves a fair shake. That whole color of your skin vs the content of your character. I don't think billionaires are better than me and with many disadvantaged, there but for the Grace of God go I. Maybe you feel the same way

So, you two. How would you de-program me? What sources would open my eyes to what I need to know?

BTW, researching state controlled propaganda to verify the truth about something isn't very useful or helpful. ;)

TigerLily

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 22, 2018, 02:41:52 AM
No, there's no hope for you. If you haven't picked up anything in the time you've been here you probably never will. You are truly a lost Jim Jones level cult member. :(



C'mon Doc. This is your chance to heal a sinner. What is your source that makes you so sure I'm the crazy and you're the sane one. Newsite? Sources? Documentation?  Or are you ...


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on January 22, 2018, 03:06:06 AM
C'mon Doc. This is your chance to heal a sinner. What is your source that makes you so sure I'm the crazy and you're the sane one. Newsite? Sources? Documentation?  Or are you ...

Reason and your inability to use it.



Gd5150

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 22, 2018, 03:10:34 AM
Reason and your inability to use it.



Precisely. The country is at its best when the middle class is at its best. The way to make this happen is by having the middle class run government. They way you make that happen is get the money out of politics. The way you make that happen, term limits. No more career politicians. No more establishment. You drain the swamp.

Only 1 person in Washington is interested in any of that. The one who has no financial need in being there. It’s sad there are so many too blind to figure this out.

analog kid

Quote from: Gd5150 on January 22, 2018, 03:32:53 AM
Only 1 person in Washington is interested in any of that. The one who has no financial need in being there. It’s sad there are so many too blind to figure this out.

It would help if that were remotely true.

analog kid

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 22, 2018, 02:41:52 AM
No, there's no hope for you. If you haven't picked up anything in the time you've been here you probably never will. You are truly a lost Jim Jones level cult member. :(



Full quote of your butchered excerpt.

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"There is a strain of, on the one hand, the kind of populist, nationalist, xenophobic, discriminatory kind of approach that we hear too much of from the Republican candidates," she said. "And on the other side, there’s just a deep desire to believe that we can have free college, free healthcare, that what we’ve done hasn’t gone far enough, and that we just need to, you know, go as far as, you know, Scandinavia, whatever that means, and half the people don’t know what that means, but it’s something that they deeply feel."

"Some are new to politics completely. They’re children of the Great Recession. And they are living in their parents’ basement," she said. "They feel they got their education and the jobs that are available to them are not at all what they envisioned for themselves. And they don’t see much of a future."

Clinton added: "If you’re feeling like you’re consigned to, you know, being a barista, or you know, some other job that doesn’t pay a lot, and doesn’t have some other ladder of opportunity attached to it, then the idea that maybe, just maybe, you could be part of a political revolution is pretty appealing."

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: analog kid on January 22, 2018, 05:45:09 AM
Full quote of your butchered excerpt.

Yay! Hillary really cares!  :D ::)

Spookingtons

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 22, 2018, 06:26:59 AM
Yay! Hillary really cares!  :D ::)
Yes, because surely that's what it's all about.
Not every plutocrat is out for attention & book deals to prove their name, and spread brand awareness.
That's just cynicism.

“Almost as an article of faith, some individuals believe that conspiracies are either kooky fantasies or unimportant aberrations. To be sure, wacko conspiracy theories do exist. There are people who believe that the United States has been invaded by a secret United Nations army equipped with black helicopters, or that the country is secretly controlled by Jews or gays or feminists or black nationalists or communists or extraterrestrial aliens. But it does not logically follow that all conspiracies are imaginary.

Conspiracy is a legitimate concept in law: the collusion of two or more people pursuing illegal means to effect some illegal or immoral end. People go to jail for committing conspiratorial acts. Conspiracies are a matter of public record, and some are of real political significance. The Watergate break-in was a conspiracy, as was the Watergate cover-up, which led to Nixon’s downfall. Iran-contra was a conspiracy of immense scope, much of it still uncovered. The savings and loan scandal was described by the Justice Department as “a thousand conspiracies of fraud, theft, and bribery,” the greatest financial crime in history.

Often the term “conspiracy” is applied dismissively whenever one suggests that people who occupy positions of political and economic power are consciously dedicated to advancing their elite interests. Even when they openly profess their designs, there are those who deny that intent is involved. In 1994, the officers of the Federal Reserve announced they would pursue monetary policies designed to maintain a high level of unemployment in order to safeguard against “overheating” the economy. Like any creditor class, they preferred a deflationary course. When an acquaintance of mine mentioned this to friends, he was greeted skeptically, “Do you think the Fed bankers are deliberately trying to keep people unemployed?” In fact, not only did he think it, it was announced on the financial pages of the press. Still, his friends assumed he was imagining a conspiracy because he ascribed self-interested collusion to powerful people.

At a World Affairs Council meeting in San Francisco, I remarked to a participant that U.S. leaders were pushing hard for the reinstatement of capitalism in the former communist countries. He said, “Do you really think they carry it to that level of conscious intent?” I pointed out it was not a conjecture on my part. They have repeatedly announced their commitment to seeing that “free-market reforms” are introduced in Eastern Europe. Their economic aid is channeled almost exclusively into the private sector. The same policy holds for the monies intended for other countries. Thus, as of the end of 1995, “more than $4.5 million U.S. aid to Haiti has been put on hold because the Aristide government has failed to make progress on a program to privatize state-owned companies” (New York Times 11/25/95).

Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: “Do you actually think there’s a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?” For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together â€" on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot â€" though they call it “planning” and “strategizing” â€" and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists. To make the world safe for those who own it, politically active elements of the owning class have created a national security state that expends billions of dollars and enlists the efforts of vast numbers of people.”

Quote from: TigerLily on January 22, 2018, 12:40:10 AM
Well, well, well. Thank you, PB and Doc, for your thoughtful if somewhat angry responses. When I first ventured into Politics here I had never heard of Breitbart. Thought I was missing something important. I really did give it a serious look overall and looked at particular topics discussed here. Then in my normal mode tried to find corroborating sources. When Clinton Cash came out I researched the whole Uranium One deal. I continued when people I disagreed with but respected seemed on to something hot I looked at those particular topics. Even walking one person through my findings. Researching and looking for sources. Pizzagate, Obama wire tapping, voter fraud. I researched all of those and others. I knew Fox wasn't news but opinion just like MSNBC and even Alex doesn't believe his own stuff.

I had many policy and transactional disagreements with Clinton, Clinton, Obama and even my beloved Bernie

I fully admit I am an "extreme" liberal. And a total social justice warrior. For me it's not so much politics as feeling everyone deserves a fair shake. That whole color of your skin vs the content of your character. I don't think billionaires are better than me and with many disadvantaged, there but for the Grace of God go I. Maybe you feel the same way

So, you two. How would you de-program me? What sources would open my eyes to what I need to know?

To tell you the truth, I'm not interested in convincing you of anything as much as I am in defeating those who believe as you do at the polls.

How about this though:  Without mentioning Trump or anyone else, what do you think Barack Obama's top achievements as president were, and what do you think Hilary Clinton's lifetime accomplishments were that made her a top candidate for president.  Not to make this a laborious homework assignment, the best three or four that come to mind for each. 

If you think they are controversial (like, say, ObamaCare), explain the net benefit in a sentence or two

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Spookingtons on January 22, 2018, 07:44:46 AM
Yes, because surely that's what it's all about.
Not every plutocrat is out for attention & book deals to prove their name, and spread brand awareness.
That's just cynicism.

“Almost as an article of faith, some individuals believe that conspiracies are either kooky fantasies or unimportant aberrations. To be sure, wacko conspiracy theories do exist. There are people who believe that the United States has been invaded by a secret United Nations army equipped with black helicopters, or that the country is secretly controlled by Jews or gays or feminists or black nationalists or communists or extraterrestrial aliens. But it does not logically follow that all conspiracies are imaginary.

Conspiracy is a legitimate concept in law: the collusion of two or more people pursuing illegal means to effect some illegal or immoral end. People go to jail for committing conspiratorial acts. Conspiracies are a matter of public record, and some are of real political significance. The Watergate break-in was a conspiracy, as was the Watergate cover-up, which led to Nixon’s downfall. Iran-contra was a conspiracy of immense scope, much of it still uncovered. The savings and loan scandal was described by the Justice Department as “a thousand conspiracies of fraud, theft, and bribery,” the greatest financial crime in history.

Often the term “conspiracy” is applied dismissively whenever one suggests that people who occupy positions of political and economic power are consciously dedicated to advancing their elite interests. Even when they openly profess their designs, there are those who deny that intent is involved. In 1994, the officers of the Federal Reserve announced they would pursue monetary policies designed to maintain a high level of unemployment in order to safeguard against “overheating” the economy. Like any creditor class, they preferred a deflationary course. When an acquaintance of mine mentioned this to friends, he was greeted skeptically, “Do you think the Fed bankers are deliberately trying to keep people unemployed?” In fact, not only did he think it, it was announced on the financial pages of the press. Still, his friends assumed he was imagining a conspiracy because he ascribed self-interested collusion to powerful people.

At a World Affairs Council meeting in San Francisco, I remarked to a participant that U.S. leaders were pushing hard for the reinstatement of capitalism in the former communist countries. He said, “Do you really think they carry it to that level of conscious intent?” I pointed out it was not a conjecture on my part. They have repeatedly announced their commitment to seeing that “free-market reforms” are introduced in Eastern Europe. Their economic aid is channeled almost exclusively into the private sector. The same policy holds for the monies intended for other countries. Thus, as of the end of 1995, “more than $4.5 million U.S. aid to Haiti has been put on hold because the Aristide government has failed to make progress on a program to privatize state-owned companies” (New York Times 11/25/95).

Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: “Do you actually think there’s a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?” For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together â€" on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot â€" though they call it “planning” and “strategizing” â€" and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists. To make the world safe for those who own it, politically active elements of the owning class have created a national security state that expends billions of dollars and enlists the efforts of vast numbers of people.”

TL;DR ::)


TigerLily

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 22, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
To tell you the truth, I'm not interested in convincing you of anything as much as I am in defeating those who believe as you do at the polls.

How about this though:  Without mentioning Trump or anyone else, what do you think Barack Obama's top achievements as president were, and what do you think Hilary Clinton's lifetime accomplishments were that made her a top candidate for president.  Not to make this a laborious homework assignment, the best three or four that come to mind for each. 

If you think they are controversial (like, say, ObamaCare), explain the net benefit in a sentence or two

I thought you were supposed to give me reasons I was supposed to agree with you. Not vice versa. You still owe me your favorite information sources to help me think like you but ok, I will play along
Obama Accomplishments in no particular order

1.  Remember the global economic meltdown of 2008? The economic stimulus bill and bailout of the car companies which were required to pay back their loans. The Republicans wanted to save the banks but let the car companies fold.  Which one saved more middle-class jobs?
Unemployment - The Obama Years





2. I still think Medicare for all is the way to go but a huge step in the right direction:  Affordable Care Act. CBO projected that about 8% to 10% of non-elderly Americans would be uninsured in its early reports. Only 28 million people were uninsured last year, compared to just over 48 million in 2010. Mar 13, 2017

3. Paris Climate Change Agreement. Greenhouse-gas emissions are down some 12% in the U.S., , Obama deflected efforts from inside his own party to halt the fracking revolutionâ€"a technological win-win that has cut carbon dioxide emissions while freeing the U.S. from dependence on foreign oil.

4. World-wide sanctions on Iran to stop nuclear weapons development. International inspectors on site to insure it.

5. Opened diplomatic relations with Cuba

6.  He authorized the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden. My theory is W. didn't want him found

Etc. Lily Ledbetter Equal Pay Act; repealed Dont Ask Dont tell; 2 women, 1 Hispanic to Supreme Court; marriage equality

I wasn't a Hillary supporter but better than a Demented Donny presidency

1.$21 billion in federal aid to help New York rebuild after the 9/11 attacks. Wrote the bill to get health care coverage for 9/11 first responders.

2. Full military health benefits for National Guard

3. Trans-Pacific partnership trade agreement. Once ratified, it would increase U.S. exports by $123.5 billion annually by 2025.

4. Pushed the United Nations to impose sanctions on Iran in 2010

5. Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) She worked with Senators Edward Kennedy and Orrin Hatch who sponsored the bill. It received $24 billion, paid for by a 15 cent tax on cigarettes.

Don't think this did much to convince me you're right and I'm wrong. So now give me your top sources for your political point of view


TigerLily

Quote from: Gd5150 on January 22, 2018, 03:32:53 AM
Precisely. The country is at its best when the middle class is at its best. The way to make this happen is by having the middle class run government. They way you make that happen is get the money out of politics. The way you make that happen, term limits. No more career politicians. No more establishment. You drain the swamp.

Only 1 person in Washington is interested in any of that. The one who has no financial need in being there. It’s sad there are so many too blind to figure this out.

Citizens United and lobbyists put more money in politics not less. DD stopped publishing the visitors log so we can't see who is visiting and try to influence. And how about all his hobnobbing at Mar a Lago and paying $100k to $250k for access. Did you see my list of political donations from his cabinet members? In general I'm for term limits.
So Demented Donny and his billionaire cabinet (sounds like an avant garde artsy group) are governing for the middle class? Taking away affordable health care? Enormous tax cuts for the super wealthy while cutting benefits to the lower and middle-class while adding at least $1 trillion to the debt?  Explain to me how that works

No one except Jack and this new weird guy have given anything substantial to support their pov

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on January 22, 2018, 11:09:56 AM
Citizens United and lobbyists put more money in politics not less. DD stopped publishing the visitors log so we can't see who is visiting and try to influence. And how about all his hobnobbing at Mar a Lago and paying $100k to $250k for access. Did you see my list of political donations from his cabinet members? In general I'm for term limits.
So Demented Donny and his billionaire cabinet (sounds like an avant garde artsy group) are governing for the middle class? Taking away affordable health care? Enormous tax cuts for the super wealthy while cutting benefits to the lower and middle-class while adding at least $1 trillion to the debt?  Explain to me how that works

No one except Jack and this new weird guy have given anything substantial to support their pov

And neither have you. ::)


TigerLily

Quote from: Jackstar on January 22, 2018, 12:56:11 AM
The Instagram feed of James Alefantis, and that fucking polenta.

Ok. I went down that disgusting rabbit hole. Did some digging. Not going to go into all I reviewed but doesn't hold up.  Lots of conjecture and made up codes. Wrongly identified "sources". Too much trash concealing the "truth".  Now I have to go shopping for Super Strong Eyewash

But in the meantime here's a conspiracy theory you can parse:

The United States Intelligence Community concluded with high confidence that the Russian government engaged in electoral interference during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[1][2] A January 2017 assessment by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) stated that Russian leadership favored presidential candidate Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, and that Russian president Vladimir Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to harm Clinton's electoral chances and "undermine public faith in the US democratic process."[2]:7 ....

You can start here

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

TigerLily

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 22, 2018, 11:35:27 AM
And neither have you. ::)

Give me some decent sources that support your pov or stfu

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on January 22, 2018, 12:20:05 PM
Give me some decent sources that support your pov or stfu

Why should I? You don't have any.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on January 22, 2018, 12:18:26 PM
Ok. I went down that disgusting rabbit hole. Did some digging. Not going to go into all I reviewed but doesn't hold up.  Lots of conjecture and made up codes. Wrongly identified "sources". Too much trash concealing the "truth".  Now I have to go shopping for Super Strong Eyewash

But in the meantime here's a conspiracy theory you can parse:

The United States Intelligence Community concluded with high confidence that the Russian government engaged in electoral interference during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[1][2] A January 2017 assessment by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) stated that Russian leadership favored presidential candidate Donald Trump over Hillary Clinton, and that Russian president Vladimir Putin personally ordered an "influence campaign" to harm Clinton's electoral chances and "undermine public faith in the US democratic process."[2]:7 ....

You can start here

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

You're seriously deluded. ::)


TigerLily

Quote from: Spookingtons on January 22, 2018, 07:44:46 AM
Yes, because surely that's what it's all about.
Not every plutocrat is out for attention & book deals to prove their name, and spread brand awareness.
That's just cynicism.

“Almost as an article of faith, some individuals believe that conspiracies are either kooky fantasies or unimportant aberrations. To be sure, wacko conspiracy theories do exist. There are people who believe that the United States has been invaded by a secret United Nations army equipped with black helicopters, or that the country is secretly controlled by Jews or gays or feminists or black nationalists or communists or extraterrestrial aliens. But it does not logically follow that all conspiracies are imaginary.

Conspiracy is a legitimate concept in law: the collusion of two or more people pursuing illegal means to effect some illegal or immoral end. People go to jail for committing conspiratorial acts. Conspiracies are a matter of public record, and some are of real political significance. The Watergate break-in was a conspiracy, as was the Watergate cover-up, which led to Nixon’s downfall. Iran-contra was a conspiracy of immense scope, much of it still uncovered. The savings and loan scandal was described by the Justice Department as “a thousand conspiracies of fraud, theft, and bribery,” the greatest financial crime in history.

Often the term “conspiracy” is applied dismissively whenever one suggests that people who occupy positions of political and economic power are consciously dedicated to advancing their elite interests. Even when they openly profess their designs, there are those who deny that intent is involved. In 1994, the officers of the Federal Reserve announced they would pursue monetary policies designed to maintain a high level of unemployment in order to safeguard against “overheating” the economy. Like any creditor class, they preferred a deflationary course. When an acquaintance of mine mentioned this to friends, he was greeted skeptically, “Do you think the Fed bankers are deliberately trying to keep people unemployed?” In fact, not only did he think it, it was announced on the financial pages of the press. Still, his friends assumed he was imagining a conspiracy because he ascribed self-interested collusion to powerful people.

At a World Affairs Council meeting in San Francisco, I remarked to a participant that U.S. leaders were pushing hard for the reinstatement of capitalism in the former communist countries. He said, “Do you really think they carry it to that level of conscious intent?” I pointed out it was not a conjecture on my part. They have repeatedly announced their commitment to seeing that “free-market reforms” are introduced in Eastern Europe. Their economic aid is channeled almost exclusively into the private sector. The same policy holds for the monies intended for other countries. Thus, as of the end of 1995, “more than $4.5 million U.S. aid to Haiti has been put on hold because the Aristide government has failed to make progress on a program to privatize state-owned companies” (New York Times 11/25/95).

Those who suffer from conspiracy phobia are fond of saying: “Do you actually think there’s a group of people sitting around in a room plotting things?” For some reason that image is assumed to be so patently absurd as to invite only disclaimers. But where else would people of power get together â€" on park benches or carousels? Indeed, they meet in rooms: corporate boardrooms, Pentagon command rooms, at the Bohemian Grove, in the choice dining rooms at the best restaurants, resorts, hotels, and estates, in the many conference rooms at the White House, the NSA, the CIA, or wherever. And, yes, they consciously plot â€" though they call it “planning” and “strategizing” â€" and they do so in great secrecy, often resisting all efforts at public disclosure. No one confabulates and plans more than political and corporate elites and their hired specialists. To make the world safe for those who own it, politically active elements of the owning class have created a national security state that expends billions of dollars and enlists the efforts of vast numbers of people.”

Good take. Good Advice: Be wary; do your homework; figure things out for yourself. Be skeptical, open minded but not empty headed

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on January 22, 2018, 12:30:57 PM
Good take. Good Advice: Be wary; do your homework; figure things out for yourself. Be skeptical, open minded but not empty headed

This has to be irony. I've heard of it before.

SredniVashtar

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 22, 2018, 12:22:34 PM
Why should I? You don't have any.

No, you're content to be a nay-sayer. Actually having a position and defending it is too much for you.


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