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As the Islamic State tried to command murder by the muslims in their host countries, it was evident, that they threaten only by words. The obedience of muslims to the IS caliph is not given due to the broad refusal of the Islamic State by global ISLAM. It remains the danger by the small number of recruited citizen returned or of infiltrated IS-commandos, both can be controlled quite well as other comparable terror risks.

So the war is restricted to the Islamic State itself, and it seems to me, that their expansion is limited to Syria and Irak and the process will end by a self destroying dynamic.   

We can return to the normal live again, and ISLAM itself has proven to be secure at the present. The central problem of our discussion here, a possible conflict with the global ISLAM therefore is now obsolete. I recommend also, to return to a normal tolerance against the islamic people in your country, if my postings should stired up you to animosity against. A cooperation with your ISLAM against radical tendencies could also help. Our minister of foreign affairs and integration, Gerald Kurz, has initiated a corresponding project in cooperation with the main speaker of Austrian ISLAM, Mr. Sanic.

Quote from: pate on October 11, 2014, 08:13:36 AM
I don't sing Francais, but this one song sounds nice:


Le joueur de pipeau

I haven't a translator to make it relevant....  or irrelevant for that matter...

http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/hameln.html

There may be a relevevance as they bewitch young people leading them in their perdition in a deadly fight in Syria. But I miss the beginning, that we had harmed them as the Piper was betrayed by the citizen of Hameln not giving him his promised reward for freeing them from their rats.

Nevertheless the song tells this story in a attentive way and melody.

Quote from: pate on October 11, 2014, 03:34:31 AM
I do not want to pay anything that has the name "jizzya"

http://www.nairaland.com/1187900/muslims-what-jizzya

Then stand up and fight against the people, they continue still permanently kiss the ass of ISLAM, our tolerance ends here and now! I only can do it writing serious warnings from my computer in all directions, if the readers continue not to understand the threat we are exposed by ISLAM, they will pay jizzya soon as Hindus do.

Quote from: albrecht on October 10, 2014, 10:08:52 AM
Good article, especially about how he says that:
"Do you consider it legitimate that the terror group IS relies on its activities to the Koran?

Theologically, it is legitimate to 100 percent. Everything that makes the IS and calls is theologically sound and occurs in all basic works of Islam. A Caliph does have a war contract, no peace order. He needs to Islam also spread through violence and should at least once a year to wage war. "

And the need to eliminate radical Islamic schools (I would say eliminate Islamic schools in general.) Also, find a way to stop the immigration of Islam into our countries and find a non-violent way to remove those Muslims already here if they refuse to assimilate and drop their garb, radicalism, misogyny, language, ethnic and sectarian feuds, etc.

Thank you for your effort to read the German material. The problem is, that ISLAM and their muslims never will change to nonradical. Therre are no moderate muslims, if they speak with us infidels, they simulate friendliness, but in reality they are disgusted by us, by our living and our laws, friendly only to keep their existence in their host country.

So the only solution is to remove ISLAM together with their muslims totally from our countries, they should go to their Islamic homelands. There is no way to live together with them longer, as they accept the Islamic State. There are no moderate muslims, and they will certainly collaborate with probably  infiltrating IS - commandos. The following events will show the reality behind, and i fear the worst.

So there is no peace and no living together between muslims and us infidels, as they never will accept it, although we are willing to welcome them, if they rebuild their faith by removing the idea of a theocracy totally from their ideology, but that may last another couple of centuries they are behind. In the present situation only a strict separation is possible, and our mistake was to ever host them and later on letting them become powerful by our wrong understood tolerance against them. (Our history, although obsolete for long time, let us blackmail from all sides to offer tolerance to any monster).

Swiss on the other hand have their muslims quite under control as they kept the right distance over all the time and infiltration of terror commandos is hard possible by their strict immigration policy, and inside by their system of single soldiers militionary. But we missed the right handling of this kind of people from beginning. 

Quote from: albrecht on October 09, 2014, 08:50:05 AM
.......................... but there is still a defeatist and acquiescence by most governments (though more and more not by citizens) to support Islam and failed immigration policies due to political correctness, make up for "past history", etc.

In Germany, where they imported many Turks who never assimiliated you get situations like this just recently. The ethnic violence and tensions in the Middle-East have been imported into Europe.

That desribes exactly the situation in Austria and Germany: "due to political correctness, make up for "past history"", its ultimate time to free, but not forget, from past history and handle the problems as they are. To find the right distance to foreign notintegrating groups yet immigrated, set the right immigration measures, and to see and react to the hazard for our sovereignty by subversive organizations as the ISLAM conscious ever since their global silence about Islamic state. Islamic state is fully justified by their theological basics, as a theologist stated in a recent interview (sorry that material is only available in German).

http://diepresse.com/home/panorama/oesterreich/3875946/Aslan_Muslime-benotigen-Friedenskonzepte
Zugrundeliegenes Interview mit Religionspädagogen Aslan


So my outlook to the real nature of Islamic guest organizations as waiting for support to convert their hosts to a theocracy is perhaps more understandable. In Europe they wait for the infiltrating IS-commandos only, so the hazard Europe to become a caliphate is recent and real. Laws dont help against, only a immediate banning could alleviate the hazard.

A global reaction to the Islamic threat could help, at least to revoke the official international state of ISLAM as religion. 

Dear Albrecht, dear all

thank you for providing material originally asked by pate, but there is silence around IS itself, except their paticipation on Kurdish protests. Iself have no addittional information about.

Swiss is a special case, as they inhibited many of the problems from beginning and their militionary system of single soldiers enable them to defend very well against guerilla methods in their area, so they can be relaxed with respect to IS - commandos getting active wherever in their country even not being infiltrated by. I do not know exactly their situation with their ISLAM, but their minarettes ban showed, that they have them quite under control.

I think that Swiss could be a good example for many other countries and also for mine, and have no need to set strong measures under time stress as I described. There is gone wrong very much in Austria, especially when I compare with Swiss, so we are in a quite worse situation than they are.

Quote from: pate on October 09, 2014, 04:20:37 AM
Austria or Australia?  I am starting to get confused, although I didn't read the linked news article about Australia, I do recall that they recently arrested a number of Islamiscsts (sp) for purportedly preparing to behead random Australian citizens that they would grab off the streets.  Part of ISIS?  I don't recall if that was mentioned in the story I read or heard.

I will note that France, who I believe have their own troubles with the Moors(whaddya supposed to call them?)/Islamists/Muslim(that's it Muslim), and they ban the wearing of the hidjab (I think I spelled that wrong, and it may not be just that gender specific 'head-gear' banned).

My question, Rudolph is this:  Are there similar measures in place or being considered in either Austria or Germany? 

I have heard nothing on that but Europe isn't exactly on my radar and I pick up bits and pieces that cross my intartube path, so to hear from a non-media source I would find particularly enlightening.

Thanks!

I see the situation from my country, Austria, where I live in Vienna. But the discussion concerns also all non islamic coutntries in the world. Europe is thretened in addition by awaiting IS terror commandos infiltrating and beginning their agitation soon. Then we will see. In that case Germany is also in a similar situation. Partial interdictions or special laws dont help in this case. Threats to other areas as Australia I think, are spoken by IS, but I consider them not very likely to be executed. France, by their more symbolic interdict of islamic female wear does nearly nothing against. We will see.

Obamas story I dont consider, because there are to much contradictions in the discussion.

Quote from: coaster on October 09, 2014, 04:54:28 AM
wait long enough, and this thread will die....

I note, that you are not only not interested on this thread, but also not agree. Its ok

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 08, 2014, 03:39:05 PM
From Australia today:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/546f86599bb3454e8486485f450518f5/australia-will-soon-ban-foreign-hate-preachers

"By all means let Australians who want to say stupid things say stupid things, but there's no point in importing troublemakers from overseas to stir people up and that's what I want to see in place very, very swiftly," [Prime Minister Tony] Abbott told Sydney Radio 2GB.


So I'm guessing no personal emissaries sent to mosques in towns experiencing Islamic terror, thanking them for all they do?

That goes far below the truth, also "toledrant" Islamic preachers support a subversive organization: the ISLAM.

Quote from: albrecht on October 08, 2014, 02:26:26 PM
Amazing, the grudge this character Obama has against the country almost has no bounds. Sending personnel emissaries to homegrown sources of violence- using our tax-dollars, of course. Shameful.

I have to opt out the discussion about O in this context, there are so many contradictions in this discussion and I do not understand well enough the interrelationships to resolve them.

Quote from: albrecht on October 08, 2014, 02:26:26 PM
With regard to banning Islam, it could happen in some countries or at least bans on things associated with Islam (the garb, forcing them to allow their female children to be educated, outlawing female circumcision and wife-beating, maintain age-of-consent rules for marriage, not allowing forced marriages, outlawing private "sharia" courts, banning mosques based on zoning restrictions or failure to maintain historic/culture architecture, etc.) But it would be a hard fight here due to our Constitution (as the Courts have interpreted or made it) and due an almost fifth column of leftists who see Islam as just another arrow in the quiver to be used against Western Civilization and the country.

Its evident enough, that ISLAM is a religious covered Trojan Horse for a medieval terroristic system, who claims to dominate the entire world to exclude it from all rights as a religion: The Constitution of every country, the human rights and its connected bills of international rights, and to revoke whatever concession made to them . Its merely a terroristic organization with one target: to destroy our modern world to descend to dark age.

This is clear and understandable to everybody. What I not understand is, that this dragon is feeded by the entire world, as this were the only criterion of our tolerance and we were accused to be NAZIS by handling this monster as what it is, and chase it already to the hell. 

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 08, 2014, 10:13:54 AM

Several countries ban the display of Nazi flags, uniforms, insignia, etc, and others outlaw using such items to incite.  It has the effect of banning Nazism, at least publicly.

The equivalent would be to stop immigration of Muslims from countries that have Islamic hate movements, at least until we can sort out who is who, and monitor at least the radical mosques here.  Even allowing freedom loving Muslims to come here doesn't ensure their kids won't become radicalized and a danger.  There just is no pressing reason to import more of these people, and excellent reasons not to.

To avoid to mix the things together. One thing is, that upright muslims tolerate the culture and right of their host countries only with uttermost aversion and while beeing the minority. There are no moderate muslims, thats a myth. They wait for the first opportunity to establish their desired theocracy. In an Islamic country on the other hand  they do not tolerate infidels. There is a insumountable enmity from Islamics to the infidels, not in the reverse direction, because we modern thinking people know tolerance, they not yet learned and will need another couple of centuries to develope such communication features. What they learned is to simulate tolerance to keep their existence in a nonislamic host country, as long they are the minority. You have strictly to distinguish this simulated tolerance from friendship.

There is no ISLAM hating attitude with my considerations, there are only facts in my mind I have to put together in a reasonable way, presumably to avoid to lose my country as it becomes a theocracy.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 08, 2014, 10:13:54 AM
Instead of that, last week Obama sent an emissary with a personal note to the Oklahoma mosque that guy who beheaded his fellow employee attended.  There are several reports confirming this, I'm linking the report from Breitbart , obviously his friends in the Liberal Medial aren't going to run it.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/10/06/President-Obama-Sends-Personal-Thank-You-Message-To-Congregation-Of-Beheader-s-Oklahoma-City-Mosque

This part of story is the harder one for me, as my respect for your president inhibits me to find the right words. If he found it the right way to do so, I cannot say, he were wrong. The difference whatsoever is the distance between the Islamic State to his country and to mine. As the first IS commandos infiltrate Europe the fight begins and the end is uncertain. Our muslims accept the Islamic State to full extent.

Quote from: West of the Rockies on October 08, 2014, 08:18:41 AM
.... tainted with an odor of very large gas ovens.

You did not read my posts about my outlook to 3. empire: Shortened: Hitler was a furious mass murderer, and there was a lot of people helping him, but he is also a loser, he lost at least the 2. WW, I neither like him nor the history, we will never forget.

ISLAM is another story, a permanent global threat, we have to fight against, not to descend to a medieval global theocracy. They never would discuss possibilities for living together on earth with us infidels. in the best case we can live separated, but in an everlasting war. Therefore separation has to be maintainded and kept upright as strict as possible.

Quote from: paladin1991 on October 08, 2014, 09:40:11 AM
Reported for the Godwin.

ok

Ban Islam?

To make it precise: to interdict ISLAM as terroristic community by all civilised nations first to get a personal control of all muslims even on spec for beeing subversive. To revoke their citizenship an ban it from the country, if there is a justified spec. So it is perhaps more understandable.

I am upset by the permanent threat of a theocracy, and I want to see strict counteractions by the governments against.   

Quote from: paladin1991 on October 07, 2014, 04:19:36 PM
I blame that on ...The Man.

It was pure coincidence, I found to be funny If there is a Man he does not bother me, as long, as he only influences internet presence, may be he alerts some other people. He thereby alerts the total internet audience, and thereby that has no selective influence.

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Forum of newspaper PRESSE with following subject:

Who has to get active against radicalization of the Islamic youth?
And what has to be done?




Begin of Thread


Rudolf Zlabinger
02.10.2014 13:15

2 questions, 2 answers

After reading the interview with the religion pedagog Aslan (short description at the end):

Who has to get active against radicalization of the Islamic youth?

The Federal Office For The Protection Of The Constitution (Verfassungsschutz)

And what has to be done?

Ban ISLAM in Austria

Only after a reform of the basics of ISLAM, that fully respects the right of Austria and EU, the ban could be cancelled
again.


There was an answer of
Friedrich Hochmann
02.10.2014 22:15


Marvellous, but the freedom of religion is written to human rights ratified even by the right wings.
The only what is possible is to prosecute single persons they infringe against the law, as for example recruiting for IS
or sedition against non Islamics.


There is my answer to Friedrich Hochmann:

rudolf zlabinger
05.10.2014 10:33

The freedom of religion is valid for religions only, not for Trojanic Horses covered by a religious habit.

The Commission for human rights since the recent developements will have to solve a hard problem to acknowledge

ISLAM presently as a religion.

End of Thread





The newspaper PRESSE delayed my last answer for 2 days obviously protecting Friedrich Hochmann.





Here is a shortened content of the Interview with the religion pedagoge Aslan:

Aslan justifies the Islamic State and his cruelties to be fully in accordance with the Islamic theological principles.

Each believing muslim would like to live in a theocracy with Sharia. There is no moderate muslim, they all are full

fundamentalists. Only as they are the minority in the western countries they reluctantly accept the laws and culture of

their hosts.

They would use the first possibility to establish a theocracy in their host contry.

End of Aslans statements so far.





And no reasonable person would believe after reading this declaration, that a modern country can tolerate ISLAM

anymore inside his borders. Even special laws can not protect a host country against these permanent ambitions of

their muslims. 

Quote from: albrecht on October 04, 2014, 10:42:24 PM
Hannibal ante portas
But, worse.

But this time Hannibal is chased to hell together with his elephants, its only a matter of quick reaction, later on it will become much more expensive. Oncemore later it will become worse indeed. Lets speed up our government! 

Quote from: aldousburbank on October 04, 2014, 10:06:23 PM
As much as i dig g*d and plurality and stuff, this my man, is as clear as a bell, requiring no further translation, square on, target, bullseye.
(Sorry, my english not so good)

I also only digged, and was surprised, what is alredy done and going on.... 
(surely better than mine)

The govs (HSA and FBI) are checking the legal basis for banning ISLAM from USA, but it seems to be difficult, because there are a lot of laws against. They should make efforts to make these laws going, there is nothing for eternity.  The most important was the human rights, ISLAM already lost as religion. There is some movement in this story since Islamic State is established.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on October 04, 2014, 05:22:46 PM

Islam is a system of government and a legal system, in addition to being a religion.  It is not compatible with the personal Liberty and self rule we have in the West (such as it is), and it's followers don't belong here.

And that's before taking the violence and intolerance into consideration.  (Yes it's true - we should have no tolerance for those who, given he chance, have no tolerance for us)

Its the government and legal system itself that is violence prone, Theological the Islamic state in his full cruelty definitly is said to be right by them. Until they remove their medieval sharia from their religion in a separation of religion and government, ISLAM is no religion for me as a subject of human rights anymore and must be banned globally to the Islamic states together with all his followers.

Quote from: Rudolf Zlabinger on October 04, 2014, 05:05:09 PM

There are things with global ISLAM, for example, that they are no more a religion since IS days, as rather a violence prone combatassociation dangerous to the integrity of states. So they are no subjects for the freedom of religion of human rights anymore. And that is also political correct. ISLAM therefore has to be forbidden globally in nonislamic states and without delay. Maybe UNO has to be concerned with.

To global audience also

Quote from: paladin1991 on October 04, 2014, 12:14:07 PM
Naaaah.  Stick around, Rudy.  Cheersie

That is fortitude I like, thank you

Quote from: albrecht on October 04, 2014, 09:36:32 AM
You make good points, especially about most (especially American but also Western in general) businesses often only look a few quarters in the future and are often too focuses on short-term performance. Likewise our politicians are looking to the next election and not long-term what is good for the country (or the world.) We refuse to state the problem with Islam because we are afraid to offend and must be "politically correct." And because we have let too many into our countries and are afraid lest they start to commit even more acts of terrorism and crime.

Thank you. You have not to be too anxious about your muslims, theyselfes do not know how to think and how to do in the moment. The danger is more a midterm one. The terroristic scenario has not changed at the moment, so the risks are the same as before. Let me be your voice, I am far from there enough.

There are things with global ISLAM, for example, that they are no more a religion since IS days, as rather a violence prone combatassociation dangerous to the integrity of states. So they are no subjects for the freedom of religion of human rights anymore. And that is also political correct. ISLAM therefore has to be forbidden globally in nonislamic states and without delay. Maybe UNO has to be concerned with.

have a good day, Rudolf

Quote from: pate on October 04, 2014, 06:45:37 AM
The thing I was trying to get at here was you posted an entire article auf Deutsch, and most here do not speak, much less read that.
Myself included.  Dammit.

I don't find that my gestalten of that article is lost as much as clarified a bit.  Granted I only translated (attempted translate) roughly one third of the verbiage.  To say that it is not something I am interested in and that I somewhat agree with would be foolish.  that is good stuff, sir!

Sorry that I burden you with german stuff, it was for completeness only and not meant to read by you and others, thank you nevertheless for your effort to translate, The essence was already in my post itself. The translation itself looks very good for me.

Quote from: pate on October 04, 2014, 06:45:37 AM
I had no intention of Godwining your thread, although I think some people may have already Godwin'd you for your nationality...  That is sad, I present my video arguments distractions as proof...
Apologies!

There is nothing to apologize at least by you, thank you nevertheless for clarification, others may read my stuff and, if not interested, go their ways. My text is independent enough from my geographical origin to see that at first glance.

Thank you for all, Rudi

Dear Pate, dear all

the thread may distracted, but my warning stands, do not disregard it totally.


All the best Rudolf

You are less than 50 years old I think, maybe there are one or two exceptions, but none of them could really sympathize or reject or have any meaning about the real history of NAZIS and Hitler and you are  Thank goodness in no kind of confrontation with these things.

If any of you states to be a NAZI, than he 100% lies, and I can laugh, because he has no idea what that is and was, except they was violent. That is one point of many others, why i like Americans, they are lighthearted enough to make jokes about, and they should do so. The life is hard enough, also for the most of you.

If I feel obliged to seriously warn you, then it is, because I see about 5 - 10 years in the future, and nobody else will tell you the truth, because they do not care about you, they prefer to golf or anything else, Main point for them are their busines running good for tomorow or perhaps the next year.

My warning now, I got the truth in the last days step by step, that we are in fight with the global Islam, they wait only  for the time to get in actkion. They are prepared already to takover the world, and we should piss down so much salt in their soup, that they will suffocate taking the first spoon.

My name may be Kassandra and if you are bored by my prophecies do not hesitate to tell me I should stop.

Quote from: pate on October 04, 2014, 01:54:22 AM
Rudolf, I read but not at all well, in fact might as well be Sanskrit for me, but I get a gestalt of sorts from the article...  I hate to do this, but here is a short video from an American cartoon that is funny (to me anyhow, and again I apologize)


I Love Hitler and Hitler Loves Me | The Venture Bros. | Adult Swim

That sort of humor is forbidden in Germany, as I recall, so if you were actually able to view it, congrats!  The whole series is funny, I think if it were translated into German you'd appreciate it...

Again, my comprehension of written German is low (I still refer to it as Allemande)...

Still a noun in the last paragraph caught my eye in context.  Was is ein Diffus-Tyrannische? (sp)

My gestalt gives me a "loose tyranny"?  Is that close?

Hitler is a dead story for me, at least because he losed the war, so he is a tragic loser, and a furious mass murderer too. Forbidden are only NS presentations to glorify these times.  Or is this sword thretening muslim a message to me? I sustain it well.

Its not my bad English alone, that could make it difficult to read my message, but also my practice to transfer information by a minimum of words.

Loose tyranny is the exact direct translation, the Islamic state provides some living basics to his citizens, in contrast to pure criminals in a law-free area, on the other hand he suppresses them by violence.

Thank you for reading my post, have a good time, Rudolf

http://www.ipg-journal.de/kolumne/artikel/das-waren-noch-kalifen-604/

My readers comment to a newspaper article concerning the IS DAWLA:

As we may interpret the relative acceptance unto theological approvement of IS by the international community of ISLAM we are in war not only with IS, but with total worlds ISLAM as I stated already before.

To immediately ban ISLAM as a direct hazard for the national integrity by all civilised nations offers a first handle. This ban has to be propagated over supranational compounds unto UNO.

A delay to this first strategic most important sanction in fight against this threat may probably lead medium-termed to a global theocracy   

Quote from: paladin1991 on October 03, 2014, 09:50:57 AM
I see what you did there.  Incorporating the FED in infidels.

A funny orthographic mistake only, glad to have you entertained with.