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I loved the angry caller, "Sheep Dog." My favorite part was kind of obscure, but showed how he ranked, or valued his wife when talking about how he thought going to he moon was pointless:

[Going there] is pointless, it doesn't do anything for me. It doesn't feed me, or my dog...............or my wife.


Ha ha ha ha, it's paraphrased, but he had a long pause before deciding, Eff it, my wife too, with me and the dog.



The other funny part was JBW saying he is "apolitical". Right.

I thought about putting this on it's own thread, and looked around the net to see if it is public or not, and it doesn't seem to be, but I have the email that people use to contact the show when they are booked. It could have changed of course, but I doubt it. It's from a Wikileaks email where an "intelligence firm" Stratford is communicating w/ C2C to have one of their hack members on.

And needless to say, the email is an AOL account: DarkEditor@aol.com

I would love is some "haters" hit up George and crew and posted their results.

https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/?viewemailid=285504

It's from Lisa Lyon and the email shows up a few places in a search, but nothing major.

Ok, I looked through and didn't see a comment on it, so sorry if I missed it, but I think Noory has been hitting the flask tonight.

About 3 hours in and I thought maybe, about 3.5 in and he sounds like he is on the verge of being absolutely hammered. Damn I wish the show could go on until 2 (here) live, because I think he timed it too perfectly. He isn't going to be blacked out at 1, but he couldn't make it until 2.

PLlllleeeeeaaaaasssssseeeeeeee

Somebody from here call in and drop an F-bomb. I know it will be dropped, but it would be so funny.

Quote from: Sambo on December 28, 2013, 02:06:13 AM
Kinda interested in her other work and knowledge. Internet privacy (she commended snowden) and startmail. I liked her explanation of the coming Antichrist as well. Until there's a paradigm shift big enough to create a world religion to knock out all existing religions the Antichrist will not be visiting us.  Usually a paradigm shift is completely unforeseeable, but I find it impossible to eradicate all religion in place of one. The catalyst being spiritual depravity.  Perhaps post humanism could do it.

Shitty c2c scheduled topic for someone who potentially has a wealth of knowledge and advocates privacy rights. Stupid marketing really

C2C just had what would have been the greatest prank call in a looooong time, if not all time, if only it wasn't a real call. It was perfect, modern, C2C.

An elderly man calling saying he went to a drive-in movie years ago and in the film they "uttered" a dirty word, so he hasn't gone to a movie since. WTF? 1 dirty word in the '70s and you don't go to a movie again? Hey, at least he save a bunch of money. Oh, and 9-11, It was the Jews.

This one has been brutal so far, and I just turned it on about 5 minutes ago. They talk about not needing to swear, etc. and then the examples they give of crude humor and clean humor are George Carlin and The Sound of Music. Both are dated references, and terrible examples. Carlin's entire "crude" schtick when he did the seven banned words was to point out how stupid it was to limit speech because it was crude. Carlin was an absolute comedic genius. There are stand up comedians I like a lot more, but I have to admit his comedic talent.

The funny thing is that when I turned it on and heard they had a woman guest host I kind of thought, "Alright, this is kind of progressive for C2C, even though other shows have been doing this for 45 years." And then the topic is swearing. Ha ha what a fucking joke this show is now.

These are amazing; being away for a while is so great because now I can read through a bunch of them.

Seriously, these need to be combined with the Noory-San Haiku thread. You can illustrate the haikus.

Quote from: HungryHippo1492 on December 14, 2013, 11:28:54 PM
East of the Rockies...
Pizza rolls are way too hot
Turmeric save me!

John Titor succeeds
Found parts to make a portal
Sent pizza rolls back

L-ing My A Off
Haiku for Noory-San is
A perfect title


Retarded question
Retarded question again
Maybe a portal?

Retarded question
Guest provides a long answer
Repeat the question

Quote from: CJJames on December 15, 2013, 04:01:29 AM
They both end the show by lamenting technology, wishing they could go back in time to the nineties to fight computers and other technology.

Wonder which one thinks hes Arnold and which one wants to be Sara Connor?

Plus "The media, the media, blah blah blah...social justice is bad, blah blah blah...media, media, media, hypocrites, blaaaah..."

Tonight's (and most night's) show could be titled:

You Young Punks Get Off My Lawn!!!!!

Ha ha, the show has basically turned into George telling people how bad medicine is, and then begging insane callers not to go off their meds call after call. What a fucking joke this show is now.


See you in three months when I stumble across this shit-show again.

Quote from: Eddie Coyle on April 12, 2013, 10:32:17 PM

     Those women had their next known picture taken by forsenic investigators after they were found in dumpsters with ligature marks.

lol, this stuff is killing me. I haven't looked here in a while, because the show has been too terrible to stomach for a while, but it's good to see that after tuning in the other day Noory's increased stupidity wasn't just my imagination.

I tuned in last night (Thursday), and although I think I only listened to about 10 minutes I think I remember more of the show than Noory, because he seemed so drunk that I think he was in a full-on blackout. Maybe he is just getting older, but he seemed to be slurring his words and making long pauses more than usual.

I have to give him credit though, because this was the first time in a while that I tuned in and didn't think the show was cancelled and replaced with health infomercials.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on January 24, 2013, 07:35:16 PM

There is a company called Arbitron that gathers data on listeners that is similar to the TV Nielsens.  They ask you to fill out a booklet for a certain period of time listing the dates and times a person has listened to the radio.  They project those results over the population as a whole.

The 3.5 million is cumulative listeners for a week, so about 700,000 a day for five days gets George to the 3.5m.  It's likely they are he same 700,000 each day for the most part.  Each listener could be listening to anywhere a few minutes to the whole show.  Even the number of listeners can be misleading - I would guess most of George's listeners are there for a segment or two per night, while Art's were there for the whole show.

I think when it seems like few are listening after the first hour or are calling in, that's probably right.  Commute hour drive time is where the listeners are, which is why they keep George Noory as far from that as possible.

You are right about the ratings and projections. The main problem is not their projections though, it is that any time you have people self-report any type of data it is going to be inaccurate at best, and close to 100% wrong a lot of the time. I was selected for the ratings one time--Arbitron I'm pretty sure, but don't remember for sure. They told me I would be paid, so I said I would do it. At the time I listened to up to 14+ hrs of radio a day, because I worked a 12 hr night shift, and had a decent commute, plus I lived alone (it was slightly before the days of true high speed internet).


When I finally got my book in the mail to fill out they wanted me to break it down into 15 minute blocks. A lot of the time I didn't remember, but I filled out the book anyways just making my best guess. When there was a show I liked I would just say I listened to it the whole time they were on, which was actually true about 1/2 the time. The payment they gave me was 4 one dollar bills. I still did about 2-3 books so I could get the money. After that I mailed back 2 books empty and got paid, but they quit sending them to me after that.

I have been saying for quite a while that the ratings have to be way down, because the same callers have been getting in almost every day for a while. There have been quite a few days where I have heard callers get in twice on the SAME show. When they play Somewhere in Time, w/ Art Bell on Saturdays it seems like a lot of callers are excited and say they have been trying to get through for weeks. But, I also know for a fact that a lot of radio shows have their producers "call" in to ask questions they want to answer, so that may have been the case back then.


The last 2 nights have been horrible; they have been among the worst shows ever. The guests last night essentially didn't want to be "irradiated" by their wireless meters. That seemed like a secondary concern though, their main concern seemed to be actually paying for the energy they use. The technique of price discrimination, where ppl pay more during peak times, is a very old concept in economics that is almost universally accepted as being the most efficient free market solution for dealing with limited resources. They use it successfully in traffic mitigation in some areas, and it is very useful in energy use, but the people are making up trivial concerns because they don't want to pay for the externalities created by their energy use. I can almost guarantee with 100% confidence that both guests last night think climate change is a massive conspiracy theory that 98%+ of all actual climate scientists are in cahoots on, which invalidates their opinion, IMO. Tonight dickhead Noory half-joked that this was the "Mark of the Beast", which makes it about the 1,000th Mark of the Beast Noory has presented. The show is an absolute joke now, as shown by the same 50 callers getting through every week.


Just think which callers Tommy is turning away when you hear the idiots he puts through most nights.

Quote from: Ipokesmot on December 06, 2012, 04:04:24 AM
That's because Google is no longer a real search engine.  If someone pays them enough they will pretend that person doesn't suck. 

Yep. I advertise for a business on Google Adwords. We used to come up number 1-2 for almost all relevant searches, and then we stopped advertising on Google. Almost immediately we were dropped off the front page, and irrelevant links unrelated to the search terms (which are fairly specialized, i.e. can't really accidentally search for something else w/ them) jumped ahead of us. Someone else was running the ads for a while, and then I took back over. I put us back on Google Adwords with a free gift certificate they sent us, and BOOM!! Back on the first page immediately. I also changed a few words on the web page, but nothing on the destination web page, and nothing relevant, just "We will be closed...", etc.

Whenever I have this show on I tend to be working on my laptop at the same time. Almost every time Noory starts talking I think, "Who is this idiot?" And I look up to see Noory. I don't know if I reflexively think "idiot" when I hear his voice, or if I find the things he is saying on the show idiotic, because he doesn't really say a lot.

Quote from: Em Vee on December 18, 2012, 02:50:21 PM

harvard law disagrees with your statement entirely.



http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

Harvard Law didn't provide a stance that I've seen. They published an article by two people unrelated to Harvard. One of them works at a relatively minor, joke libertarian think tank; both of them have been accused of being dishonest due largely to the article you posted. They've also been called gun-nuts, but I don't think that is as relevant. They rely on data that can be called blatantly falsified, like the one source they used for the Soviet Union crime rates, saying they trusted him because he wasn't engaged in a conspiracy theory to lower crime rates.

But, you can look at Mauser's work using the same data and see that he is a fraud, or incompetent. IN the paper you cite right off the bat you can see that the chart on page 652 cites a Canadian source stating that the murder rate in Luxemborg is listed as 9.01, this is wrong. He could argue that it was a mistake, but he goes on to repeatedly cite this high murder rate in Luxemborg as a key example. In reality this was a decimal point error. The murder rate in Luxemborg was 0.90. Making an error by putting it into the table incorrectly would be one thing, but it doesn't even make sense superficially (unless you are in a fantasy world) and looking at other data confirms this. Of course he uses it as if it were true.

This may not be his fault though, since it was provided incorrectly in the data from a Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics release (pg3)(although they do have other releases where it is released correctly). It is up to the researcher to look into the data they cite when it clearly doesn't make sense, and they didn't do this, so they are ultimately at fault. This entire paper is littered with basic errors like this that eliminate any credibility it may have had. This study should never have been published.

http://publications.gc.ca/collections/Collection-R/Statcan/85-002-XIE/0080385-002-XIE.pdf?

Mauser later uses the correct data when he released another pro-gun study (that's literally all he does), so he apparently got enough heat to change his data, but apparently not the calculations.


http://www.fraserinstitute.org/uploadedFiles/fraser-ca/Content/research-news/research/articles/international-evidence-on-gun-bans-and-murder-rates.pdf

On top of that there have been constant claims that Mauser has cherry-picked his data, on top of cherry-picking data, to find the most favorable rates. He does not use the same years for violence in his papers, nor does he use multiple years. The correct way to do this study would probably be to also look at multiple years and to use a fixed-effects regression to control for factors like different cultures.

The entire basis of their study is flawed though, the study I provided compares different places in the US; their study compares entirely different nations with entirely different rules, levels of police funding, etc. They are not even really comparable for this context if you are trying to show what the results would be in the US.

I don't think decreasing guns in the US would eliminate violence, but it would eliminate mass killings. Really there is no way to decrease violence in the US anytime soon. We have too many people who think that extreme paranoia is an acceptable state of mind, and people in the US are in love with violence.

Listen to C2C and the moron host, when there are stories about violence he covers it in depth, especially if it happened to a child; when there is a story about sex he gets squeamish and blows by it, as if one is ok and the other isn't (but the wrong way).

There are decent gun studies out there, but most of them show that fewer guns lead to fewer violence.

Also, stating that "Harvard disagrees" with the study I presented is potentially disingenuous, but I give you the benefit of the doubt in this case. The journal that this was published in, The Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, is a student run journal (which isn't necessarily bad, they have the Law Review, and some great business reviews, etc.) aimed at publishing libertarian and conservative articles. This is the type of article that gets published there solely based on the philosophy it follows instead of based on the rigor of the work or the actual methodology used in the study.

The Penn study is far more rigourous, and far more legitimate as a scholarly work, IMO. Also, it was published in a more legitimate article, and not done by ideological hacks.

Quote from: Em Vee on December 16, 2012, 10:14:53 PM

for me, the entire discussion pretty much boils down to this sentence.

Which is not a true sentence. First off the first victim in the latest shooting, the shooter's mother, was killed in her home where she was highly armed, and used to using weapons. Second, in the recent shooting outside of Portland there is a report of at least one person who was carrying a firearm, but did not stop the shooting--multiple right-wing sources have claimed this is why more people were not killed, as if hiding behind a column and the shooter being unaware he was there is why he stopped. The Virginia Tech shooting was in a "gun-free zone", but it had a large police force on campus that was armed, which puts to rest the idiotic talking point about having an armed guard at each school.

A study was done recently showing that higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence, but states with tighter gun control laws have fewer gun-related deaths. This is just a correlation, but a relatively high one that is suggestive. Also correlated with more deaths are high schools where students bring guns to school. Income inequality is a far more significant predictor of gun violence than even mental illness.

Trigger locks, an assault weapon ban, and a safe gun storage requirement all significantly reduce the likelihood of gun violence, aka regulating guns. Places like Switzerland with a lot of guns have a huge amount of regulations on their gun owners, like gun-free zones, which are essentially the whole country, and they have significantly lower gun violence than the US does.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/the-geography-of-gun-deaths/69354/

The gun violence problem is not going to go away. I think guns are protected by the Second Amendment, and will not be taken away because of the gun-rights culture in the US, nor do I think they should be taken away, but I do think heavy regulations should be placed on guns as called for in the Constitution, the gun culture should be taken apart, and the paranoid delusions (that most of the C2C guests push) should not be tolerated as a valid opinion when most of them border on retarded, and some of them are literally insane.

Quote from: ziznak on September 21, 2012, 08:16:28 PM
I actually just listened to an old Art show which featured WWII ghost stories that took place in planes.  I'm guessing it was this Martin Caidin.  I wanna listen to that show again it was really intriguing.  Theres some story about an old bomber that they had housed in a hanger somewhere.  At night they would observe a light on in one of the bubbles.  They eliminated any suspects and were sure there was no way somebody was sneaking in.  Waited for the light to go on one night and swarmed in with multiple witnesses.  In the plane was a pale man who explained that he had died in that plane and that their guns could not hurt him before disappearing... the actual story is much better but that's it in a nutshell... very good campfire radio I must say.

If Noory was doing that show:

"Wow, could it have been an Angel?"

"Was it good or evil? Do you believe in evil?"


I liked the book Hershey that was an interview Punnet did. It is not a C2C topic at all, but the book was interesting.

Quote from: Sardondi on December 06, 2012, 01:52:59 AM
. Sounds to me that the guest was discussing "debridement". Do I understand correctly? I just can hardly believe that George would compare his pussy-ass burned mouth to debridement.

First of all it's a millennia-old technique by which dead or dying skin (usually caused by burns) is removed, often every day, to promote regeneration of new skin and healing of that skin that can recover. There are different methods used to accomplish it today, including using by maggots. But the traditional way the dead skin is removed is by the vigorous scrubbing of the burned areas by a stiff-bristled brush. It is perhaps the single-most painful surgical technique known to man.

It's torture, and the patient can be subjected to abject suffering for up to a few hours every day or so. Often the debridement follows a morphine injection, which allays the pain slightly. Regardless, it's not uncommon for the patients to scream throughout the whole procedure, which can go on for hours if the burns are extensive. Burn patients live in fear and dread of debridement. The medical staff, usually nurses, who perform debridement, carry a very heavy emotional burden, and even wind up having psychological damage themselves because they often feel like torturers for having caused such immense suffering, even though they did so to help the patient the heal. 

I would have thought that a man in his 60's knew about debridement, and how terribly painful it was. Even if he'd never heard of it, logic alone tells you that a burn to your mouth is nothing compared to being burned over quite a bit of your body. Not that any of that matters to George. We've seen this before, for the year or so after his father died. Then, in any situation in which loss of a parent was mentioned by a caller or guest, Noory brought up his father's death, even if it had been 15-months earlier. He just sucks up all possible attention, sympathy and interest. It's All About George, 24/7/365.

George Noory is a fool and an ass. He's a narcissistic blowhard. He's a self-indulgent, egotistical fraud.

That is the process he was talking about, but I think he chimed in when the guy was talking about the simple--but still horribly painful--process of cleaning his burns, and learning to clean his burns shortly before he was released from the hospital. It would have been funny if George had a sense of humor, and said something along the lines of he felt his pain b/c he burned his mouth, and used a sarcastic tone, but it just came off like he was being serious, even though I think he was just trying to bring the attention to himself or say he felt the guest's pain.

I had a better one I can't find on my computer, but this is my attempt.

Mainly I wanted to post something so I could comment on Noory's stupid statement. He had on the guest the other night who said he was burned all over his body and was going through an excruciating process to have his skin peeled and cleaned everyday for weeks. Noory chimed in something along the lines of, "Boy I know what that's like. The other day I burned the top of my mouth and it still hurts." The guest laughed at him, but was friendly.

I can't wait to see what ends up here now that George revealed that he missed a few days because he burned his mouth from eating food that was too hot.

Quote from: ziznak on November 27, 2012, 12:12:03 AM
turned it on tonight... heard george say "giant cockroaches" and turned it off.

Good move. I turned it on and Mitch Battros was on, so I knew a psychologist would be schooling us all on science, and why all mainstream, i.e. legitimate, science is wrong, and he is right based mostly on what he personally believes. I decided I would turn it off as soon as they started patting each other on the back over their love of abiotic oil theory, and that happened about 15 seconds later.

I turned it on later, and a lady that could have been interesting was on, but George was in full on moron mode. I think he is starting to stray from his cue cards, because he actually attempted to ask a few follow up questions--I've noticed him doing this recently. Unfortunately, just like all the other times, his questions were so incomprehensible that the lady had to ask him to restate them, and then had to just talk about something for a few seconds to get past the question.

Riley is nuts, people like him, Noory, and his guests have done a LOT to make me start disbelieving the UFO theories.

The health segment to start the show, or whatever this mess is called, is one of the worst segments, guests, and callers combos in memory. Call in and cry about your relatives' health problems is not a good topic for a talk show.

I'm not a huge fan of J.B.W, but after hearing him for a while he is somehow still head and shoulders above Noory.

Noory is really trying to one-up Jones tonight.

Oh you fought through a crowd of freedom haters that wouldn't give a choking girl the Heimlich maneuver? Well I saw a choking child and pulled the food out of his throat with my fingers.

I have to give Jones credit for one thing. The disabled person on Social Security called in and Jones told him not to participate in their money bomb if he was on a fixed income, this was after Noory said how great it was of course. I'm sure Noory will ignore this type of activity in his next comments bashing somebody on food stamps buying name brand juice though.

I can't believe I've never seen this thread, this is hilarious. Great job. You guys nailed so many of the moronic statements he makes. I love "I've seen shadow rodents." I completely forgot about that. I remember cracking up when I heard him say that one time. I just picture him sitting in his house, seeing a mouse run by, and instead of figuring that he should clean up, or look for a hole from the outside to try to plug up creating a ridiculous, paranormal explanation.

I can't have mice, I'm George Noory. It must be a shadow rodent, or maybe a small angel.

Quote from: Morgus on October 16, 2012, 12:15:21 AM
yeah right. funny how if a guest challenges any of Noory's beliefs like abiotic oil, the guest mysteriously develops a bad phone connnection and Noory drops him and goes to open lines...

I've never noticed the dropped calls, but there was one funny guest that accidentally slammed Noory. The guest was something legitimate--or as legitimate as C2C can handle--like a geologist or something. I think it was when they were talking about the BP oil blowout. George asked if the blowout could just go on forever, and the guy said no. George asked "Do you really believe in fossil fuels? What about abiotic oil? Since it wasn't written on his cue card in the exact order George asked the question he made a mash of the sentence so the guy couldn't really tell that George was an abiotic oil Believer. The guest replied that of course he didn't believe in abiotic oil theory, and said something along the lines of it being a ridiculous theory with no scientific backing. George somehow saw that he was going to get destroyed if he debated him so he just let it go.

Never mind he doubled-down. He said that in order to stop the ice at the N. & S. Poles from melting stopping coal isn't the answer, but moving the moon closer to the Earth with rockets designed by the best scientists is the answer.

I haven't listened in a while, but if this is what C2C has turned into, frankly, I'm pumped. The show has been unlistenable for quite a while. I say if the show is going to be total B.S., with an incompetent host, and boring, idiotic repetitive guests  sign up the biggest nut jobs they can find and just turn the crazy up to 11.

Anyone listening tonight? This guest might be the dumbest guest I've ever heard. His premise sounds like the dumberst parody of a C2C show somebody could come up with.

He might expand on it, but hasn't so far. His theory is that the pyramids around the world are there to balance the earth because it would wobble when it rotated. He compares it to a tire shop he worked at as a kid. Spinning a tire you could put just a little ounce weight on the tire and it would wobble as it spun.

LOL, what about the massive geological changes when rocks far heavier than the pyramids fall in avalanches over a couple of thousand years, wouldn't that change the balance?

Before the pyramids Spiderwoman went and created the North and South ice caps to keep the earth in balance. What about the ice ages? Wouldn't that have thrown the balance of the earth off?

Now he's onto ant people. I have to look at this guy's website to see if they are pulling a prank on the listeners. He claims it is the creation story, but also said it is something he believes explains everything perfectly.

You know what I would like Noory to ask (although it would be far better for Ian to handle)? I would like him to ask any one of his End Time maniacs why in the Bible Jesus said he would return to earth, and it would be the End Times, before the generation he was speaking to had passed.

Consistent sound.

I don't see a better thread for this, and don't want to create one. When I listen to C2C the volume consistently increases as the show goes on. I've noticed it since it is on at night and I don't want the radio to be blasting away. I start listening and the show is a certain volume, and then when a commercial comes the bumper music and commercials are much louder than the show (usually it doesn't happen, I don't notice it, or I don't start thinking it is happening until a while into the show). Usually I have to turn down the radio, and then a little later the same thing happens and I have to turn it down a little more.

I thought it was a problem with my radio or something, but when I invariably change to a different station the volume is so low that I have to turn it back up. I don't know if it is C2C, or if it is the radio station, but the station does not do it during the day when I listen.