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Started by GravitySucks, June 11, 2016, 05:28:45 PM

Quote from: TigerLily on June 17, 2016, 12:57:33 AM
Rashomon is probably Kurasawa's most critically acclaimed. And a part of pop culture telling  the same event from different viewpoints.  Which one "really" happened?

And of course Seven Samurai.  And Hidden Fortress which inspired Star Wars. Even has R2D2 and C3PO in it

I've loved Toshiro Mifune since I was a kid.  I only saw the American films he made though.  Hell In The Pacific and Midway come to mind.  I do have many Kurosawa films but I hate to watch them as soon as I get them because I want to have something to look forward to.   I have Rashomon and Seven Samurai but haven't watched them yet.

Quote from: TigerLily on June 17, 2016, 01:02:21 AM
I have DirecTV down here. Unfortunately my weak-ass Mexican internet isn't powerful enough to stream movies and takes forever to download. And when I'm in San Diego I'm always too busy to watch any tv. Usually make it to a movie but that's about it

You're in Mexico?  Baja?  I didn't know that.  I remember the days I had slow internet.  Hated it with a passion.  I'd stay off the pc because I was fed up dealing with the slow speed.

Hmm.  Let me think about that.  I'll get back to you in a day or two or three.  I'm slowwwwww.

TigerLily


You have to check out Red Sun. Western with Mifune and Charles Bronson. Alain Delon is the bad guy

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on June 17, 2016, 12:57:33 AM
Rashomon is probably Kurasawa's most critically acclaimed. And a part of pop culture telling  the same event from different viewpoints.  Which one "really" happened?

And of course Seven Samurai.  And Hidden Fortress which inspired Star Wars. Even has R2D2 and C3PO in it

While you're not wrong about those films my personal favorite Kurasawa film is Yojimbo. Great acting, gnarly battle scenes and talk about influential! Lucas lifted the fight scene at the cantina right out of this movie. Not only that but it would directly inspire the early Westerns of Clint Eastwood. The Dollars movies were a direct adaption of Yojimbo and it's sequel Sanjuro. It doesn't end there though. John Belusihi's popular samurai character on SNL was based on Mifune's ronin character. That's a lot of mileage out of one film!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JzsKlpp4IE

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kb1zh

https://vimeo.com/77493750

ItsOver

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 16, 2016, 05:06:45 PM
Another childhood classic for me. The original Planet of the Apes and Soylent Green too! Chuck Heston was my go to guy when it came to dystopian/post-apocalyptic movies.  ;)
"Planet of the Apes" will be on the big screen again next month.

http://www.fathomevents.com/event/planet-of-the-apes

I caught "Blade Runner," The Director's Cut at a local artsy theater several months ago.  Definitely a film that has held up with time.  Heck, even the special effects still look quite good.  Harrison Ford is good, Sean Young breathtaking, but Rutger Hauer is magnificent, especially his last words as a replicant or should I say as a conscious being.  I'm really glad I caught it in the theater.  Unforgettable.

http://youtu.be/ZTzA_xesrL8

TigerLily

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 17, 2016, 01:54:19 AM
While you're not wrong about those films my personal favorite Kurasawa film is Yojimbo. Great acting, gnarly battle scenes and talk about influential! Lucas lifted the fight scene at the cantina right out of this movie. Not only that but it would directly inspire the early Westerns of Clint Eastwood. The Dollars movies were a direct adaption of Yojimbo and it's sequel Sanjuro. It doesn't end there though. John Belusihi's popular samurai character on SNL was based on Mifune's ronin character. That's a lot of mileage out of one film!


You're not wrong about me not being wrong.  I posted my praises for Yojimbo and Sanjuro a few posts earlier.  I wonder how many Western directors have been influenced or downright stolen from the great Kurasawa?

But personally had to go with Ran.  The more samurai the better  8)


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: TigerLily on June 17, 2016, 09:36:20 AM
You're not wrong about me not being wrong.  I posted my praises for Yojimbo and Sanjuro a few posts earlier.  I wonder how many Western directors have been influenced or downright stolen from the great Kurasawa?

But personally had to go with Ran.  The more samurai the better  8)

And you're not wrong about me being not wrong about you being not wrong. Right? :)

zeebo

I wanted to post a Hitchcock movie here, but don't know which to pick.  Maybe "Strangers on a Train" (1951) or "Rear Window" (1954).  One thing I loved about his movies was how so much drama and tension was built just with dialogue and actors' expressions.  (This was something Rod Serling was genius at too btw.) 

Nowadays movies take shortcuts by just throwing in a dumb action scene or blasting a shrill soundtrack or using shaky cameras etc., instead of actually building characters through their words and expressions, which takes much more skill.

Quote from: zeebo on June 17, 2016, 12:29:28 PM
I wanted to post a Hitchcock movie here, but don't know which to pick.  Maybe "Strangers on a Train" (1951) or "Rear Window" (1954).  One thing I loved about his movies was how so much drama and tension was built just with dialogue and actors' expressions.  (This was something Rod Serling was genius at too btw.) 

Nowadays movies take shortcuts by just throwing in a dumb action scene or blasting a shrill soundtrack or using shaky cameras etc., instead of actually building characters through their words and expressions, which takes much more skill.

Hey, Zeeb, I was thinking the same thing. I love "Psycho" but, if pressed, I think I would go with "Vertigo" as my favorite. All the twists and turns make it immensely satisfying.

I was thinking about one of my all-time favorite monster flicks, as well. I keep coming back to "The Thing" ..the original version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjuLZwlDxh8

Quote from: ItsOver on June 17, 2016, 08:01:05 AM
"Planet of the Apes" will be on the big screen again next month.

http://www.fathomevents.com/event/planet-of-the-apes

I caught "Blade Runner," The Director's Cut at a local artsy theater several months ago.  Definitely a film that has held up with time.  Heck, even the special effects still look quite good.  Harrison Ford is good, Sean Young breathtaking, but Rutger Hauer is magnificent, especially his last words as a replicant or should I say as a conscious being.  I'm really glad I caught it in the theater.  Unforgettable.

http://youtu.be/ZTzA_xesrL8


FANTASTIC movie. However, I have to say, This is my favorite Rutger Hauer film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMTznJra0iw

ItsOver

Quote from: FightTheFuture on June 17, 2016, 12:53:28 PM
Hey, Zeeb, I was thinking the same thing. I love "Psycho" but, if pressed, I think I would go with "Vertigo" as my favorite. All the twists and turns make it immensely satisfying.

I was thinking about one of my all-time favorite monster flicks, as well. I keep coming back to "The Thing" ..the original version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjuLZwlDxh8
Yes, sir.  It has to be "Vertigo."  Kim Novak was in her prime and Stewart, ... well Jimmy is Jimmy.  Plus, the great shots of San Francisco.  When I was there a few years back, I made it a point to check out Scottie's residence, 700 Lombard.  It was still there, just down from the iconic twisty part of Lombard. Sadly, shortly after my visit, the current owners apparently screwed it up, though.  ::)   :'(

http://sf.curbed.com/2012/11/20/10303714/film-buffs-not-happy-with-owners-of-vertigo-house

It was also cool to check out the other film spots, such as Fort Point down by the GG and the Brocklebank Apartments

From what I understand, "Vertigo" wasn't that well received upon it's debut but over the years it has certainly risen in appreciation.

For what it's worth.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/celebritology/post/vertigo-is-now-a-better-movie-than-citizen-kane/2012/08/01/gJQAPbynPX_blog.html

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: ItsOver on June 17, 2016, 08:01:05 AM
I caught "Blade Runner," The Director's Cut at a local artsy theater several months ago.  Definitely a film that has held up with time.  Heck, even the special effects still look quite good.  Harrison Ford is good, Sean Young breathtaking, but Rutger Hauer is magnificent, especially his last words as a replicant or should I say as a conscious being.  I'm really glad I caught it in the theater.  Unforgettable.

http://youtu.be/ZTzA_xesrL8

Great scene, of which Hauer improvised a lot of the dialogue, apparently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_in_rain_monologue

ItsOver

Quote from: FightTheFuture on June 17, 2016, 12:57:56 PM

FANTASTIC movie. However, I have to say, This is my favorite Rutger Hauer film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMTznJra0iw
Ha! Yes, yes!  I love that film.  Hauer is perfect as relentless evil.  Who can forger the C. Thomas Howell french fry scene.  :o


ItsOver

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 17, 2016, 01:30:04 PM
Great scene, of which Hauer improvised a lot of the dialogue, apparently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_in_rain_monologue
Yep.  Just brilliant.  "Time to die."  The ultimate last words.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: FightTheFuture on June 17, 2016, 12:53:28 PM
Hey, Zeeb, I was thinking the same thing. I love "Psycho" but, if pressed, I think I would go with "Vertigo" as my
I was thinking about one of my all-time favorite monster flicks, as well. I keep coming back to "The Thing" ..the original version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjuLZwlDxh8

My dad still says this is the scariest movie he ever saw. He was 13 or 14 when it came out and he said he had nightmares for weeks.  :o

I thought the Carpenter remake was better but for the times the original must've been a very scary notion for the times. People we're just starting to seriously entertain the idea of advanced technological spacecraft from other worlds back then. Roswell was just 4 years prior to this film.

ItsOver

Quote from: zeebo on June 17, 2016, 12:29:28 PM

...Nowadays movies take shortcuts by just throwing in a dumb action scene or blasting a shrill soundtrack or using shaky cameras etc., instead of actually building characters through their words and expressions, which takes much more skill.
Why is that, I wonder?  Is the typical audience completely dumbed-down now and that's the predominant interest?  Has the proliferation of drugs throughout the movie industry completely warped things? Is it just "the easy way out" for making a buck?

Very sad.

Quote from: ItsOver on June 17, 2016, 01:46:07 PM
Why is that, I wonder?  Is the typical audience completely dumbed-down now and that's the predominant interest?  Has the proliferation of drugs throughout the movie industry completely warped things? Is it just "the easy way out" for making a buck?

Very sad.

You know, I think it`s the reduced attention span of today`s movie-goers. They expect B I G stuff every other scene. They have no appreciation for the craftsmanship that is involved in producing a classic film of 50 - 70 years ago. I offer The Searcher as an example. There are several sub-plots which the attentive viewer will appreciate in this amazing film and the millennial viewer will not. Every single time I watch this John Ford masterpiece, I see something that I have never seen before.


Rix Gins

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 17, 2016, 01:54:19 AM
While you're not wrong about those films my personal favorite Kurasawa film is Yojimbo. Great acting, gnarly battle scenes and talk about influential! Lucas lifted the fight scene at the cantina right out of this movie. Not only that but it would directly inspire the early Westerns of Clint Eastwood. The Dollars movies were a direct adaption of Yojimbo and it's sequel Sanjuro. It doesn't end there though. John Belusihi's popular samurai character on SNL was based on Mifune's ronin character. That's a lot of mileage out of one film!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JzsKlpp4IE

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2kb1zh

https://vimeo.com/77493750

Your selection reminded me of Zatoichi Meets Yojimbo. (1970)  I"m sure it's a classic in Japan.  I'm gradually collecting all the Zatoichi movies that starred Shintaro Katsu.  They follow a basic formula...an evil boss takes over a town and blind Zatoichi wanders into the town and eventually makes things right by killing the boss.  In this one, Zatoichi goes up against Yojimbo but the two have to postpone their fight and join forces to kill the...well, don't want to give the plot away. 

Quote from: FightTheFuture on June 17, 2016, 02:12:21 PM
You know, I think it`s the reduced attention span of today`s movie-goers. They expect B I G stuff every other scene. They have no appreciation for the craftsmanship that is involved in producing a classic film of 50 - 70 years ago. I offer The Searcher as an example. There are several sub-plots which the attentive viewer will appreciate in this amazing film and the millennial viewer will not. Every single time I watch this John Ford masterpiece, I see something that I have never seen before.

Couldn't have said it better. I also see something new each time I watch it.

Quote from: ItsOver on June 17, 2016, 08:01:05 AM
"Planet of the Apes" will be on the big screen again next month.

http://www.fathomevents.com/event/planet-of-the-apes

I caught "Blade Runner," The Director's Cut at a local artsy theater several months ago.  Definitely a film that has held up with time.  Heck, even the special effects still look quite good.  Harrison Ford is good, Sean Young breathtaking, but Rutger Hauer is magnificent, especially his last words as a replicant or should I say as a conscious being.  I'm really glad I caught it in the theater.  Unforgettable.

http://youtu.be/ZTzA_xesrL8

Great film.  Haven't really watched it again since it first came out.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 17, 2016, 01:37:07 PM
My dad still says this is the scariest movie he ever saw. He was 13 or 14 when it came out and he said he had nightmares for weeks.  :o

I thought the Carpenter remake was better but for the times the original must've been a very scary notion for the times. People we're just starting to seriously entertain the idea of advanced technological spacecraft from other worlds back then. Roswell was just 4 years prior to this film.

I like the Carpenter remake a lot but the first one I saw was the Hawks version and that is the one I hold dear to my heart.

Rix Gins

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 17, 2016, 03:24:39 PM
I like the Carpenter remake a lot but the first one I saw was the Hawks version and that is the one I hold dear to my heart.

Me too.  A very interesting technique was used in the original.  Overlapping dialogue...and the funny thing is, it worked.  Filmed in black and white, long before CGI and this movie still makes me think that they really are at an outpost at the North Pole.  The staging area where they find the flying saucer is especially grand.


Quote from: Rix Gins on June 17, 2016, 03:49:47 PM
Me too.  A very interesting technique was used in the original.  Overlapping dialogue...and the funny thing is, it worked.  Filmed in black and white, long before CGI and this movie still makes me think that they really are at an outpost in the North Pole.  The staging area where they find the flying saucer is especially grand.

Overlapping dialogue was actually a fairly common feature in Hawks films like the screwball comedies, His Girl Friday and Bringing Up Baby.  Truly a master film-maker.  Love that staging area. :D

If you ever get a chance, check out Joe May's late silent classic, Asphalt (1929), from UFA films in Germany.  Beautifully filmed and a highly influential film that anticipates the film noirs of the 40's and 50's.   With the sensual Betty Amann and Gustav Fröhlich. It is on youtube for those able to watch it there.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pBhebyJhVU

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Rix Gins on June 17, 2016, 03:49:47 PM
Me too.  A very interesting technique was used in the original.  Overlapping dialogue...and the funny thing is, it worked.  Filmed in black and white, long before CGI and this movie still makes me think that they really are at an outpost at the North Pole.  The staging area where they find the flying saucer is especially grand.

I wonder if Altman was inspired by this ? That seemed to be his trademark thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O48Cr5vm6Yg


albrecht

Not movie but classic. Anyone else notice that the older b&w shows on tv almost have a 3D effect? Like the car salesman Twilight Zone episode on MeTV now. But even some old Andy and variety shows. Then the b&w improved and then, of course, color. But the contrast, or something, maybe painted/flat background sets, in the old b&w give some odd depth perspective.

akwilly

Quote from: albrecht on June 17, 2016, 10:55:20 PM
Not movie but classic. Anyone else notice that the older b&w shows on tv almost have a 3D effect? Like the car salesman Twilight Zone episode on MeTV now. But even some old Andy and variety shows. Then the b&w improved and then, of course, color. But the contrast, or something, maybe painted/flat background sets, in the old b&w give some odd depth perspective.
Weird you would mention that. I watched about 3 minutes of Andy Griffith show today and thought the exact same thing.

Quote from: I_Speculate on June 17, 2016, 10:33:22 PM
Old 'classic' movies from the 30's 40's 50's and 60's

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http://moviezoot.com/

http://www.bnwmovies.com/

http://www.rarefilmm.com/

http://www.manicmovies.com/

http://oldmovietime.com/index.html

Nice sites.  I see that most of them have silent movies too.  Rarefilmm looks particularly good.

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