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BREAKING: Mass Shooting At Ft. Lauderdale Airport

Started by norland2424, January 06, 2017, 01:12:48 PM

Uncle Duke

I've travelled with a checked handgun a number of times.  You must show the weapon is unloaded, then lock it in an approved case in front of the agent before checking it.  Assuming the story of this guy using a handgun he had checked is true, where did he get his ammo? You may not carry ammo on a commercial  a/c.  It wasn't in the gun, and it would have been detected if he had it on his person or in his carry-on.  It's my understanding all checked bags are x-ray scanned as well. So unless somebody missed the fact he brought ammo on board, where did it come from?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: EarthAlien007 on January 06, 2017, 04:35:23 PM
This keeps getting stranger.

"In Nov. 2016, Santiago-Ruiz walked into an FBI office in Anchorage and claimed he was being forced to fight for ISIS, law enforcement sources told CBS News. He was sent to a psychiatric hospital after police were called, sources said.

He was also investigated as part of a child porn investigation in either 2011 or 2012, law enforcement sources told CBS News. Three weapons and a computer were seized, but no charges were filed, sources said."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/shots-fired-fort-lauderdale-airport/


Alex Jones will sort it. Let him deal with this now.


Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 06, 2017, 04:37:32 PM
I've travelled with a checked handgun a number of times.  You must show the weapon is unloaded, then lock it in an approved case in front of the agent before checking it.  Assuming the story of this guy using a handgun he had checked is true, where did he get his ammo? You may not carry ammo on a commercial  a/c.  It wasn't in the gun, and it would have been detected if he had it on his person or in his carry-on.  It's my understanding all checked bags are x-ray scanned as well. So unless somebody missed the fact he brought ammo on board, where did it come from?

How hard would it be to obfuscate it in a carry on?   Wonder where in Alaska his flight originated from?   If you start at some really small place
like Fairbanks you are clear to go from there on.

Juan

Quote from: albrecht on January 06, 2017, 03:39:15 PM
I'm surprised that no conspiracy theory has been raised yet.
Jackstar must be taking a nap/passed out/locked up.


Uncle Duke

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 06, 2017, 04:52:01 PM
How hard would it be to obfuscate it in a carry on?   Wonder where in Alaska his flight originated from?   If you start at some really small place
like Fairbanks you are clear to go from there on.

Depends on what he was carrying, I'd assume.  A loaded magazine would show up readily I would think.  Individual  rounds might be a bit easier to get by with, especially with complacency on the part of the screener.

I once got stopped and grilled coming home from Utah with two empty handgun magazines I'd purchased at a local gun shop. I was not transporting a firearm or ammo, just two empty magazines in my carry-on.  They finally let me go, but one of the TSA guys told me I should mail them home next time to avoid  a hassle.

Juan

He left 13-victims, so that's at least 13 rounds.  Witnesses say he shot people then shot them again when they were on the floor.  That sounds like more than one magazine.  Could someone have hidden the ammo in the bathroom - obviously an unsecured area?


Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 06, 2017, 05:06:39 PM
Depends on what he was carrying, I'd assume.  A loaded magazine would show up readily I would think.  Individual  rounds might be a bit easier to get by with, especially with complacency on the part of the screener.

I once got stopped and grilled coming home from Utah with two empty handgun magazines I'd purchased at a local gun shop. I was not transporting a firearm or ammo, just two empty magazines in my carry-on.  They finally let me go, but one of the TSA guys told me I should mail them home next time to avoid  a hassle.

Bizzare that they hassled you so much.  This website implies that you can just bung the rounds into a hard sided case that you check-in and you are good to go. 

QuoteAmmunition
Ammunition is prohibited in carry-on baggage, but may be transported in checked baggage.
Firearm magazines and ammunition clips, whether loaded or empty, must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm. Read the requirements governing the transport of ammunition in checked baggage as defined by 49 CFR 175.10
Small arms ammunition, including ammunition not exceeding .75 caliber and shotgun shells of any gauge, may be carried in the same hard-sided case as the firearm.

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 06, 2017, 04:42:15 PM
I feel much better now.

Better watch it! pud's going to make you a deputy queen's cuck.  :D

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 06, 2017, 05:15:13 PM
Bizzare that they hassled you so much.  This website implies that you can just bung the rounds into a hard sided case that you check-in and you are good to go. 

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition

I knew you could carry empty mags in the approved/locked (hardsided) case with the firearm to be checked, but was told I could not carry ammo.  I wonder if that's an airline's prerogative to disallow ammo?

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 06, 2017, 05:22:11 PM
I knew you could carry empty mags in the approved/locked (hardsided) case with the firearm to be checked, but was told I could not carry ammo.  I wonder if that's an airline's prerogative to disallow ammo?

Dunno, seems to me that if I wanted to go on a hunting trip to Wyoming it would be a real drag not to be able to take rounds along.

If the dude carried the ammo in his checked baggage and simply grabbed it after picking up his weapon,  there will be a new law - sure as shit.   

Never mind that anyone could just pop into the baggage claim area from anywhere, carrying just about anything.

This part is odd as well:
QuoteSmall arms ammunition, including ammunition not exceeding .75 caliber

What the hell uses .75 Caliber?  Like a musket or anti-aircraft gun?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 06, 2017, 05:28:18 PM
Dunno, seems to me that if I wanted to go on a hunting trip to Wyoming it would be a real drag not to be able to take rounds along.

If the dude carried the ammo in his checked baggage and simply grabbed it after picking up his weapon there will be a new law.   

Never mind that anyone could just pop into the baggage claim area from anywhere, carrying just about anything.

Highly unlikely. You can't go in from arrivals area. The carousels are constantly monitored with cctv and guards with dogs. The dogs wander wherever they want, carousels, around passengers, anywhere.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 06, 2017, 05:33:07 PM
Highly unlikely. You can't go in from arrivals area. The carousels are constantly monitored with cctv and guards with dogs. The dogs wander wherever they want, carousels, around passengers, anywhere.

I can really only speak intelligently about the Raleigh-Durham airport - I met folks all the time at the baggage claim area after their flights.
Just park in the 1 hour dollar parking lot and stroll on in.  I have no doubt the area is monitored by cams and there probably are some guards
down there as well but I've certainly never seen a security dog in the area.   

Uncle Duke

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 06, 2017, 05:33:07 PM
Highly unlikely. You can't go in from arrivals area. The carousels are constantly monitored with cctv and guards with dogs. The dogs wander wherever they want, carousels, around passengers, anywhere.

Depends on the airport, most airports in the US you can walk directly into the baggage carousels area from outside.  There is probably CCTV watching the carousels, but people walk off with other peoples' bags all the time, both intentionally and unintentionally.  Checked bags containing firearms are conspicuously tagged, however.  When they get stolen, it's usually before they make it to the baggage claim area.

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 06, 2017, 04:20:54 PM
The Reps voted against disarming those on watch lists didn't they? I cannot imagine why a fucking airport let a gun be put in the luggage, what could possibly go wrong?
I know. This proves some of the Republicans point. The lists don't work because they are not being used, have people on it who shouldn't be, and known threats are not followed up on. He is "on the radar" etc. It is ridiculous to have all this surveillance, secret lists, databases, etc if we aren't going to use them or at least profile and follow the suspicious guy. Here the "white Hispanic" actually goes to the FBI and says he is being forced to fight for ISIS, has a history of LE seizing child porn and weapons, and they are like "on your way, sir" and not even put him on the no-fly or no gun-buy lists? TSA doesn't check him? FBI doesn't follow up on his claims or mental issues?

I have no problem with having guns checked in a flight if you legally are able to own one. I don't like a government that has a pattern of letting people go because they are some kind of minority and we don't wish to offend or due to incompetence or laziness.

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 06, 2017, 05:33:07 PM
Highly unlikely. You can't go in from arrivals area. The carousels are constantly monitored with cctv and guards with dogs. The dogs wander wherever they want, carousels, around passengers, anywhere.
Unless it is an international flight, even then here once the bags/person clears customs, you can walk to the arrivals luggage carousel, you can't meet the person at the gate (unless they are elderly, retarded, etc and you can get a permit to do so,) but you can enter where the luggage comes down. Depending on the airport that is usually close to the exit so there are usually cops about (more concerned about car bombs etc.) They don't check tags against tickets anymore so people can steal bags or someone could conceivably add an additional bag with an IED or something. Clearly a point of weakness but at some point there is a cost/risk assessment as how far you can go with security.

albrecht

Quote from: Uncle Duke on January 06, 2017, 05:46:27 PM
Depends on the airport, most airports in the US you can walk directly into the baggage carousels area from outside.  There is probably CCTV watching the carousels, but people walk off with other peoples' bags all the time, both intentionally and unintentionally.  Checked bags containing firearms are conspicuously tagged, however.  When they get stolen, it's usually before they make it to the baggage claim area.
I'm trying to recall when it stopped but I recall, at least some airports, they used to check your ticket/boardingpass against the tag on your luggage when you were leaving. I want to say as a standard course- not in response to some threat level or specific instance.

Quote from: albrecht on January 06, 2017, 05:52:57 PM
Unless it is an international flight, even then here once the bags/person clears customs, you can walk to the arrivals luggage carousel, you can't meet the person at the gate (unless they are elderly, retarded, etc and you can get a permit to do so,) but you can enter where the luggage comes down. Depending on the airport that is usually close to the exit so there are usually cops about (more concerned about car bombs etc.) They don't check tags against tickets anymore so people can steal bags or someone could conceivably add an additional bag with an IED or something. Clearly a point of weakness but at some point there is a cost/risk assessment as how far you can go with security.

Yeah - at that point it really isn't any different than a nutter shooting up a Food Lion, plus of course, no expensive aircraft are at risk down at
bag claim.

Juan

As is all too common, the shooter had been investigated by police numerous times. He was also investigated by the Army CID. He was given a general discharge, which is less than honorable.

albrecht

Quote from: Juan on January 06, 2017, 06:06:56 PM
As is all too common, the shooter had been investigated by police numerous times. He was also investigated by the Army CID. He was given a general discharge, which is less than honorable.
Yep even more than the usual "on our radar" incidents but several incidents with various law enforcement organizations and even went voluntarily to the FBI to rant. Yet not put on any lists? No follow up? No mental health hearing? Allowed to fly? With a gun?

Up All Night

I just heard about this about 2 hours ago.

When they mentioned Santiago was ex-military, I told my wife "I wonder what psychotropic drugs he is/was on?"

Then I later saw reports that Santiago had mental problems....

albrecht

Quote from: Walks_At_Night on January 06, 2017, 05:28:18 PM
Dunno, seems to me that if I wanted to go on a hunting trip to Wyoming it would be a real drag not to be able to take rounds along.

If the dude carried the ammo in his checked baggage and simply grabbed it after picking up his weapon,  there will be a new law - sure as shit.   

Never mind that anyone could just pop into the baggage claim area from anywhere, carrying just about anything.

This part is odd as well:
What the hell uses .75 Caliber?  Like a musket or anti-aircraft gun?
Basically, I guess, or maybe a punt-gun or low gauge shotgun, which here in the States have been banned (for actual use in hunting fowl. You can still own or shoot for fun.) Supposedly one can still use them in England?

Jackstar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaA903oxvc


with all this "Re: BREAKING" scrolling past I can't stop thinking of this

albrecht

Quote from: Jackstar on January 06, 2017, 09:56:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaA903oxvc


with all this "Re: BREAKING" scrolling past I can't stop thinking of this
Ha, even I didn't pay to see that (alas, did to see the original.) Funny though not as ridiculous as in that movie, some various later "Death Wish" or "Dirty Harry" movies and "The Warriors", etc gangs did affect some weird ass clothing and styles (and names) back in the day, even today to an extent. I've always been curious, when he was organizing that fine city of Chicago's neighborhoods, what overall sympathies Obama held: People or Folk? I've heard him often use the word "folks" in speeches so maybe that is a reference to his allegiance?

Juan

There's a photo of Santiago being shown on the news where he is clearly wearing a keffiyeh and giving what looks like a finger sign I've seen ISIS supporters give.  It looks as though the US media have decided mental issues and the existence of a gun are at fault.



starrmtn001

At time mark 1:52, Governor Scott contacted Trump and Pence.  They are stepping up to help.  At time mark 3:53, Governor Scott states, Obama has not contacted him.

Governor Rick Scott news conference on Fort Lauderdale International Airport shooting.  1.6.17.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt4atAKTPNE

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