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DC ROCKED: CANTOR ON BRINK OF LOSING PRIMARY

Started by Quick Karl, June 10, 2014, 06:05:14 PM

pyewacket

Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 11, 2014, 06:12:39 PM
Let's be honest, most Congress critters are wealthy; most appear addicted to power and perks.  Not a lot of Mr./Ms. Smiths going to DC these days, QK.

Thank you for a civil answer!  :) I agree- half of the congress is made up of millionaires. I fear we're becoming a Plutocracy. We need more people who can relate to and represent the working class people.

I'm not a fan of King or Gohmert either. I hope more grass roots, no nonsense people who understand the problems we face from middle Americas' POV are elected and change the culture in DC. *sigh* I can dream- can't I?  ;)

Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 11, 2014, 05:07:09 PM
As near as I can tell, there are ZERO moderate GOP posters here.  I would be curious to know what those endangered critters think about this Cantor business.


The Conservatives ARE the Moderates.  We are the philosophical descendants of the Enlightenment, of the Founding Fathers.  It was our ideals that created and built the country.

What some refer to as 'moderate' Republicans are really Big Government, Establishment, Crony-Capitalist, Globalist sellouts.  No one knows what they stand for and they represent no one.  They get elected running as 'Conservatives', then revert back to RINOs once they get back to Washington DC.

The 'Progressives' are all that and worse.  They are happy filling their pockets for now, while plotting to steal more of our Liberty and continue moving the country to a Western European style Socialist system, if not a Marxist Totalitarian regime.

Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 11, 2014, 06:22:51 PM
...  I don't really know what Hillary stands for....


Hilary stands for name recognition - after all this time in the public eye, she doesn't have any more accomplishments than does Obama.  There is absolutely zero reason for her to be a 'Presidential Candidate', other than name rec

We do know she was the radical in the Clinton Administration, and that she wrote her senior thesis praising Alinsky.  At best she's outgrown her radicalism and settled into a sort of corrupt power for the sake of power mindset.  But I fear she would take over right where Obama leaves off - ignoring the law, destroying what's left of the country..

albrecht

Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 11, 2014, 08:05:32 PM

Hilary stands for name recognition -
Did Bill claim in his autobiography that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary of Everest fame and then her campaign had to back-track and claim her parents just lied to her as a story?

But you are right. In a way the more Fabian types like Hillary are more dangerous than the outright radicals like the Obamas because their naked contempt for the country and many of its people make it a harder sell. The Hillary types use the more flexible and slow methods of undermining the country (and indeed Western civilization and culture which is their true aim.) Read Gramsci especially.

yumyumtree

Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 11, 2014, 04:56:15 PM

Cantor spent a good deal of time trying to portray Brat as a 'Liberal', even though he clearly is not.

Virginia has open primaries, I wonder how many Dems crossed over to vote for what they thought was one of their own.
According to Michael Medved today, a lot of Democrats voted for Brat, but probably because they thought he'd be more beatable in Nov. I don't know how he would know. Naturally he wasn't happy with yesterday's events. He has horrible things to say about Matt Bevin and anybody like that.

yumyumtree

Quote from: albrecht on June 11, 2014, 10:38:10 PM
Did Bill claim in his autobiography that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary of Everest fame and then her campaign had to back-track and claim her parents just lied to her as a story?

But you are right. In a way the more Fabian types like Hillary are more dangerous than the outright radicals like the Obamas because their naked contempt for the country and many of its people make it a harder sell. The Hillary types use the more flexible and slow methods of undermining the country (and indeed Western civilization and culture which is their true aim.) Read Gramsci especially.
The Clintons were always getting caught in these fibs and tall tales.

Although I have mentioned some Dems I am not fond if, that is not to be interpreted as an endorsement of the TP.  Here is what a TP candidate in not-so-okay Oklahoma has to say:

Tea Party state House candidate Scott Esk endorsed stoning gay people to death: “I think we would be totally in the right to do it,” he said in a Facebook post. Esk went on to add nuance to his position:


“That [stoning gay people to death] goes against some parts of libertarianism, I realize, and I’m largely libertarian, but ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss.”

Not mere execution, but stoning to death.  Sounds like a real enlightened chap.

Quick Karl

Quote from: yumyumtree on June 11, 2014, 11:37:47 PM
According to Michael Medved today, a lot of Democrats voted for Brat, but probably because they thought he'd be more beatable in Nov. I don't know how he would know. Naturally he wasn't happy with yesterday's events. He has horrible things to say about Matt Bevin and anybody like that.

The fact that Medved "wasn't happy" with yesterday's events, should be all that needs to be said about him - listening to him is like having stomach cancer.

Quick Karl

Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 11, 2014, 11:41:46 PM
Although I have mentioned some Dems I am not fond if, that is not to be interpreted as an endorsement of the TP.  Here is what a TP candidate in not-so-okay Oklahoma has to say:

Tea Party state House candidate Scott Esk endorsed stoning gay people to death: “I think we would be totally in the right to do it,” he said in a Facebook post. Esk went on to add nuance to his position:

“That [stoning gay people to death] goes against some parts of libertarianism, I realize, and I’m largely libertarian, but ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss.”

Not mere execution, but stoning to death.  Sounds like a real enlightened chap.

No one I have ever talked to has ever suggested stoning anyone, ever, and I have never heard, with my ears, anyone on a radio, or a TV, proposing the stoning of anyone, for any reason, except in some of the countries in the Middle East.

I am not suggesting that this Esk clown is representative of the TP in general.  But there are turds in every punchbowl. 

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 11, 2014, 11:47:30 PM
No one I have ever talked to has ever suggested stoning anyone, ever, and I have never heard, with my ears, anyone on a radio, or a TV, proposing the stoning of anyone, for any reason, except in some of the countries in the Middle East.


Oh, that's settled then. You didn't hear or see it so it might not have happened. Similarly you've never heard anyone in the Middle east propose a stoning either. By din't you haven't been there.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Paper*Boy on June 11, 2014, 07:53:43 PM

The 'Progressives' are all that and worse.  They are happy filling their pockets for now, while plotting to steal more of our Liberty and continue moving the country to a Western European style Socialist system, if not a Marxist Totalitarian regime.

There is no such thing as a 'Western European style socialist system'.. Certainly not Marxist. You really can't get your head around that the European countries have many governments. Some are coalitions, some left of centre, some right of centre..That's 'centre' as in not being right of Genghis Khan and defining that as centre. I could if you want to, take you to meet people who voted Labour (traditionally grown from the unions in the 1930's) who's views on immigration and homosexuality would make you blush.

We've just had council elections: A Labour stronghold town that never was anything but Labour, has just had 21 seats of 63 turned over to  UKIP. The party that wants the UK out of Europe and clamp down on immigration. It hasn't suddenly had an influx of anti Europe or anti immigration voters. They're the same people. It's just their underlying deep seated feelings haven't been catered for before. Sure, UKIP didn't destroy Labour, and probably never will, and come the general election, will probably not get a single seat in parliament, but they sure upset a few councillors who were confident they wouldn't be beaten.

bigchucka

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 11, 2014, 11:47:30 PM
No one I have ever talked to has ever suggested stoning anyone, ever, and I have never heard, with my ears, anyone on a radio, or a TV, proposing the stoning of anyone, for any reason, except in some of the countries in the Middle East.

Happens here from time to time.

Where the fuck is the dubious?  Anyone?

Quick Karl

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 12, 2014, 12:35:29 AM

Oh, that's settled then. You didn't hear or see it so it might not have happened. Similarly you've never heard anyone in the Middle east propose a stoning either. By din't you haven't been there.

I fucking haven't seen an Atom or a Molecule either, but I know they're out there...

Nevertheless, I've NEVER heard anyone, EVER, suggest the stoning of anyone, for any reason, outside of what I have read and/or heard with respect to the Islamic Countries of African and the Middle East, but I understand that if someone doesn't fall down in awe and fear at one of your astounding prognostications, or that if something terrible happened to someone 12,000-years ago, that equivocates to someone suggesting you be stoned to death, in your twisted mind...

Now go away.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 12, 2014, 01:47:56 AM
but I understand that if someone doesn't fall down in awe and fear at one of your astounding prognostications, or that if something terrible happened to someone 12,000-years ago, that equivocates to their suggesting you be stoned to death, in your twisted mind...


That's quite an achievement; I know of no-one on this forum who does that. Least of all those who agree with my point of view. You see Karl, you start threads in the Politics section usually with a rant, or as you'd have it 'prognostication'; and project it as fact, the final word, the be all and end all. Anyone who agrees you suck the arse out of. Anyone who disagrees with you, you decide to personally attack.

The problem with that of course is you really shouldn't get on your high horse and complain to MV about the big boys taking you on. Neither is it very wise to get all sanctimonious about how people should behave in polite society, and come across as one of the most objectionable smears of filth that drew breath. You're a misogynist. You dislike women, you certainly don't think they're equal to men; Correction, equal to you. For that we should be thankful. Any person who would consider you as an equal is really in a bad way.

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 11, 2014, 11:47:30 PM
No one I have ever talked to has ever suggested stoning anyone, ever, and I have never heard, with my ears, anyone on a radio, or a TV, proposing the stoning of anyone, for any reason, except in some of the countries in the Middle East.

Here's the article with the quotes from Esk.

It seems from his comments that he's not pro-stoning but he's not anti-stoning either...

... so that's all right then /sarcasm

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 12, 2014, 12:49:24 AM
..... but they sure upset a few councillors who were confident they wouldn't be beaten.

sometimes, that's the best part of any election  :)


Quick Karl

Quote from: missing transmission on June 12, 2014, 02:18:23 AM
Here's the article with the quotes from Esk.

It seems from his comments that he's not pro-stoning but he's not anti-stoning either...

... so that's all right then /sarcasm

I wouldn't paint the larger majority of a political movement with the brush of one person that may very well have been being satirical, for the sheer hell of it, or as his way of countering the opposite absurdness that is all around us 24/7.

There is a guy in this forum that does the same thing, but it flies over a few folks' heads...

No one is walking around accusing all homosexuals of being spree-killers based on the deeds of Andrew Cunanan... The incessant rush to sensationalize everything, for even a make-believe political point, is boring.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 12, 2014, 05:52:53 AM
. The incessant rush to sensationalize everything, for even a make-believe political point, is boring.


How very true:

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 08, 2014, 11:59:36 PM
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/shooters-metro-ambush-left-five-dead-spoke-white-supremacy-and-desire-kill-police

I've never been much for conspiracy theories, but this one is just too much... 2 cops shot dead by 2-idiots that covered the cop's bodies with Gadsden flags - in HARRY REID'S State, only a few weeks after Reid called all the folks that showed up at the Bundy Ranch, TERRORISTS???

This is DEFINITELY a setup.

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 07, 2014, 02:06:47 PM
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2014/06/04/fox-biz-psychologist-worries-erratic-obama-may-not-be-sane#ixzz33zAPcjZn

Now, she IS a University educated "psychologist", so that automatically makes her right - oh wait, she's on the wrong team so, there must be something wrong and she stole her degree, or she's brain-damaged, and, and, and, MY GOD SHE MIGHT EVEN BE A CATHOLIC!!!!!

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 08, 2014, 11:43:12 AM
http://nypost.com/2014/06/07/obama-is-driving-the-country-to-ruin/

This is what happens when you fail to discipline your children then let them run your business...

Quote from: Quick Karl on May 25, 2014, 06:03:05 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/blaming-nra-over-killings-shows-no-amount-of-laws-enough-for-anti-gunners

In my humble opinion, logic doesn't matter.

Anti-gunners do NOT hate guns, or even the violence done to innocent people by mental-case-douche-bags-with-guns, they HATE the People that own guns, and WANT to impose their will upon them.

And, their irrational fear of the 80-million American that own guns, is based on their own projection of what they "might do" if they had a gun, and someone "dis'd them", a or punched a hole in one of their positions on an Internet forum...

Tic, tic, tic, tic, tic, tic,...

Quote from: Quick Karl on January 01, 2014, 10:00:10 AM
http://thelastgreatstand.com/lgs/2013/12/31/this-must-go-viral-%E2%80%9Coperation-american-spring-beginning-of-tyranny-housecleaning/?utm_content=buffer86329&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

"OPERATION AMERICAN SPRING will be a gigantic step in removing the flea infestation that is sucking the blood out of America."

I pray to the Creator of all life that this comes true.

followed by: (when only ten turned up)

Quote from: Quick Karl on May 18, 2014, 09:29:06 PM
It was a phony op from the get go - planned by liberal operatives and engineered to be a failure from its inception, for propaganda purposes, so that cunts on discussion forums could act victorious...

Do you really believe that any Genuine American Citizen that wants a better America, would coin the phrase "American Spring"?

You cannot possibly be that stupid, can you?

The living breathing tabloid human who just keeps giving. ;D ;D

Now Karl, where did you put that petard you like to wear? ;D

Quote from: West of the Rockies on June 11, 2014, 05:07:09 PM
As near as I can tell, there are ZERO moderate GOP posters here.  I would be curious to know what those endangered critters think about this Cantor business.

I guess that's me. I'm a republican in michigan but when I moved to Texas people tell me I am a Democrat.

The immigration issue killed Cantor. I would say that #1 priority for conservatives is immigration even more than taxes.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: nooryisawesome on June 12, 2014, 07:12:59 AM
I guess that's me. I'm a republican in michigan but when I moved to Texas people tell me I am a Democrat.

The immigration issue killed Cantor. I would say that #1 priority for conservatives is immigration even more than taxes.

The supreme irony being that everyone now resident in the USA is descended from an immigrant at one time or another.

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 12, 2014, 12:49:24 AM
There is no such thing as a 'Western European style socialist system'..
What are you on about? You've never heard of the Frankfurt School? Or, closer to you, the Fabian Society? Amongst many other groups and movements that were/are "Western European socialism" (though I still say UK not European, though most say it is.) Are you crazy, simply uneducated, or just faking it for the sake of stirring up the forum?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on June 12, 2014, 07:37:39 AM
What are you on about? You've never heard of the Frankfurt School? Or, closer to you, the Fabian Society? Amongst many other groups and movements that were/are "Western European socialism" (though I still say UK not European, though most say it is.) Are you crazy, simply uneducated, or just faking it for the sake of stirring up the forum?

Society in membership of a group, or society as in the prevailing political landscape? If it's the former, yes of course.. The latter (which is what PB means) then no. There isn't a Western Europe style socialism that pertains to every country universally. Amusing you ask if I'm crazy and uneducated or stirring up the forum yet you let stuff from others ride!  ;D

pyewacket

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 12, 2014, 07:16:53 AM
The supreme irony being that everyone now resident in the USA is descended from an immigrant at one time or another.

Hi Yorksire- The big difference is- our parents/grandparents came here legally. They were processed through Ellis Island and had to be able to work, had to learn English, show that they would not be a burden on the system, no criminal record and no communicable diseases. Others had to get sponsors from reputable US citizens who took responsibility for the new immigrants. Yes, not all immigrants from those days were upstanding citizens and fell into criminal groups. The country was much different then- we had so much manufacturing and plenty of jobs. Plus, most of those immigrants wanted to be Americans and added their customs to the American culture as they adopted it. It was a true melting pot.

This is not the case today. If your first act on American soil is to break the law- why should people who believe in the rule of law welcome you with open arms? If they come for jobs, it drives down wages and the immigrants run the risk of ending up in horrific, illegal operations.
They drive identity theft crime. Many multi generational family owned small businesses are closing down because they can't compete with the low bids made by companies who employ illegals. Some illegals are very good at playing the system and work under the table while collecting benefits. Their gangs are infiltrating many American cities. Many aren't all that interested in adopting American culture or English. This becomes more of a salad than a melting pot. This comes at a huge cost to Americans. I know we're not the most popular people on the planet, but many are good and generous people. This situation is ruining many communities and individuals.

We need skilled workers. We need to fix our own problems and help our own people. I know this sounds isolationist, but we've been so busy minding everyone else's business that we've  neglected our own. We just can't do any more. I think we're past the saturation point.

There is precious little comparison between immigration in the 19th and early 20th centuries and what is going on today.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pyewacket on June 12, 2014, 08:56:18 AM
Hi Yorksire- The big difference is- our parents/grandparents came here legally.


There is precious little comparison between immigration in the 19th and early 20th centuries and what is going on today.

Ahhh, illegal immigration. That's a different kettle of mackerel. Do what we do. Vote UKIP.  ;D

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 12, 2014, 08:28:46 AM
Society in membership of a group, or society as in the prevailing political landscape? If it's the former, yes of course.. The latter (which is what PB means) then no. There isn't a Western Europe style socialism that pertains to every country universally. Amusing you ask if I'm crazy and uneducated or stirring up the forum yet you let stuff from others ride!  ;D
Many of the socialist parties support the EU and the eventual "united states of Europe" or some other identity. So, clearly, there is "western European style socialism". Now, hopefully these will be countered by the various UKIP or even the more rightists parties like VVP, Vlaams Blok, Northern League, etc or even the more mainstream parties recognizing the dangers of immigration, EU consolidation and loss of sovereignty, etc but clearly there is "western European socialism."

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on June 12, 2014, 09:19:01 AM
Many of the socialist parties support the EU and the eventual "united states of Europe" or some other identity. So, clearly, there is "western European style socialism". Now, hopefully these will be countered by the various UKIP or even the more rightists parties like VVP, Vlaams Blok, Northern League, etc or even the more mainstream parties recognizing the dangers of immigration, EU consolidation and loss of sovereignty, etc but clearly there is "western European socialism."

Then why is there no mention of Western European 'style' fascism, or W E style right of centre? They both exist. They exist in some countries more than others. Europe has form (more especially East European) when it comes to fascism, or as you gently call them, 'rightist'.

Quick Karl

Quote from: albrecht on June 12, 2014, 07:37:39 AM
What are you on about? You've never heard of the Frankfurt School? Or, closer to you, the Fabian Society? Amongst many other groups and movements that were/are "Western European socialism" (though I still say UK not European, though most say it is.) Are you crazy, simply uneducated, or just faking it for the sake of stirring up the forum?

Pssst. He's just a needy mental case that is desperate for attention...

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 12, 2014, 09:46:23 AM
Pssst. He's just a needy mental case that is desperate for attention...

So says the initiator of seven of the latest ten threads on the politics section. ;D

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