Illegal immigration

[albrecht]

I like saying google it saves a ton of time.

As for the other would you say school does not do that? We are taught this is how it is and do not question me(teacher) or you will get in trouble. Unless you are willing to risk getting in trouble for going outside the lines then everything stays the same like Dark Ages. People will always question the so called system and I for one think that is awesome. So it will be the same with the internet in my opinion!!1

I agree with you there. The Prussian public school model that America adopted, with some Dewey and Frankfurt School thrown in, is a very dangerous thing. Especially when administered at a Federal level by decrees, funding, equality demands, etc. By the way the so-called "Dark Ages" weren't as bad as popular belief holds it for academic scholarship and thinking- for the relative few that could participate. But, I wonder, might it be better for a few to gain great education and methods of thinking and spread it over time or everyone sink to the lowest-common-denominator teaching, because certainly not all learn (or can learn, or wish to learn) at the same capacity or speed, and all learn (or be indoctrinated) the same things dictated by some central "big brother" education Czar?

[Zoo]

[quote author=Quick Karl link=topic=6151.msg266832#msg266832 date=140245730

That is the precise dogma that has led to violence in so many countries it is sickening, and will lead to it in ours, if it is not stopped.

And, THEY do more to divide out society, than ALL of the Phil Robertsons' could ever do.
[/quote]

We are to late. It is called the Two Party System and it is killing us as we speak. You have no choice besides the one you are given. It is like making a decision between eating sh*t with a spoon or a fork. No matter what you choice it is sh*t you're eating. Funny thin is those of us who try and stop this are made fun of and demonised. Funny thing is people been eating sh*t so long they no love it so much they stick up for it!!1

[pyewacket]

We are to late. It is called the Two Party System and it is killing us as we speak. You have no choice besides the one you are given. It is like making a decision between eating sh*t with a spoon or a fork. No matter what you choice it is sh*t you're eating. Funny thin is those of us who try and stop this are made fun of and demonised. Funny thing is people been eating sh*t so long they no love it so much they stick up for it!!1

Zoo- you confuse me! I'm not sure what you mean or what your personal experiences are regarding political matters.

You think a one party system is best? No opposition- total and complete control by one group of people, you think this would be better?

Once upon a time, we were a representative republic and were represented by citizen politicians, who served for one or two terms and returned to their private lives and businesses. It was considered a duty and a privilege to serve. It also required some personal sacrifice on their part. Now we have career politicians who serve corporate, foreign, and special interests instead of the American people. It's not so much the number of parties in the system - it's the power/money structure and the lobbying and influence peddling.

[Quick Karl]

Zoo- you confuse me! I'm not sure what you mean or what your personal experiences are regarding political matters.

You think a one party system is best? No opposition- total and complete control by one group of people, you think this would be better?

Once upon a time, we were a representative republic and were represented by citizen politicians, who served for one or two terms and returned to their private lives and businesses. It was considered a duty and a privilege to serve. It also required some personal sacrifice on their part. Now we have career politicians who serve corporate, foreign, and special interests instead of the American people. It's not so much the number of parties in the system - it's the power/money structure and the lobbying and influence peddling.

Couldn't have said it better.

[bigchucka]

Zoo- you confuse me! I'm not sure what you mean or what your personal experiences are regarding political matters.

You think a one party system is best? No opposition- total and complete control by one group of people, you think this would be better?

Once upon a time, we were a representative republic and were represented by citizen politicians, who served for one or two terms and returned to their private lives and businesses. It was considered a duty and a privilege to serve. It also required some personal sacrifice on their part. Now we have career politicians who serve corporate, foreign, and special interests instead of the American people. It's not so much the number of parties in the system - it's the power/money structure and the lobbying and influence peddling.

Personally, I'd like to see how a no party system would work.  Gets the two big groups that are able to organize to collect large amounts of money for a group of their select candidates out of the equation.  One of the problems is too much fucking money is being dumped into political campaigns nowadays.  And when you have private entities and corporations set up to where they are able to control how the government is ran... fascism?  I think communism is when gov't runs the businesses... if memory serves me correctly.

[wr250]

Personally, I'd like to see how a no party system would work.  Gets the two big groups that are able to organize to collect large amounts of money for a group of their select candidates out of the equation.  One of the problems is too much fucking money is being dumped into political campaigns nowadays.  And when you have private entities and corporations set up to where they are able to control how the government is ran... fascism?  I think communism is when gov't runs the businesses... if memory serves me correctly.

fascism is when the govt permits private businesses, but heavily regulates them.

[pyewacket]

Couldn't have said it better.

That's just a thumbnail description- the system was truly well thought out and one of the best ever.

James D. Best wrote:
Snip>
At the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787,  Franklin was queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation. In the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention,  a lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.”  Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.”
<end snip

[pyewacket]

Personally, I'd like to see how a no party system would work.  Gets the two big groups that are able to organize to collect large amounts of money for a group of their select candidates out of the equation.  One of the problems is too much fucking money is being dumped into political campaigns nowadays.  And when you have private entities and corporations set up to where they are able to control how the government is ran... fascism?  I think communism is when gov't runs the businesses... if memory serves me correctly.

I'd welcome seeing people set aside the left/right paradigm, too. If we could look for ways to support each other based on common good and vote for something instead of against something- we'd be better off and have a good chance of cleaning up this mess.

I think there's a joke about descriptions of governments- I'll try and find it.   

[pyewacket]

 Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business

Confused about the difference between socialism, Communism, and the politics of huge corporations? This basic “dictionary” may help.

Feudalism: You have two cows. The lord of the manor takes some of the milk. And all the cream.

Pure Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.

Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one of your cows and gives it to your neighbor. You're both forced to join a cooperative where you have to teach your neighbor how to take care of his cow.

Bureaucratic Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and as many eggs as its regulations say you should need.

Fascism: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them, and sells you the milk.

Pure Communism: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

Russian Communism: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.

Communism: You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with milk. You wait in line for you share of the milk, but it's so long that the milk is sour by the time you get it.

Dictatorship: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

Militarism: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.

Pure Democracy: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.

Representative Democracy: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.

American Democracy: The government promises to give you two cows if you vote for it. After the election, the president is impeached for speculating in cow futures. The press dubs the affair "Cowgate." The cows are set free.

Democracy, Democrat-style: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being so successful. You vote politicians into office who tax your cows, which forces you to sell one to pay the tax. The politicians use the tax money to buy a cow for your neighbor. You feel good. Barbra Streisand sings for you.

Democracy, Republican-style: You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You move to a better neighborhood.

Indian Democracy: You have two cows. You worship them.

British Democracy: You have two cows. You feed them sheep brains and they go mad. The government gives you compensation for your diseased cows, compensation for your lost income, and a grant not to use your fields for anything else. And tells the public not to worry.

Bureaucracy: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. After that it takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

Anarchy: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to kill you and take the cows.

Capitalism: You have two cows. You lay one off, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when she drops dead.

Singaporean Democracy: You have two cows. The government fines you for keeping two unlicensed farm animals in an apartment.

Hong Kong Capitalism (alias Enron Capitalism):
      You have two cows.
      You sell three of them to your publicly-listed company, using letters of credit opened by your brother-in-law at the bank, then execute an debt/equity swap with associated general offer so that you get all four cows back, with a tax deduction for keeping five cows.
      The milk rights of six cows are transferred via a Panamanian intermediary to a Cayman Isands company secretly owned by the majority shareholder, who sells the rights to all seven cows' milk back to the listed company.
      The annual report says that the company owns eight cows, with an option on one more.
      Meanwhile, you kill the two cows because the Feng Shui is bad.

Environmentalism: You have two cows. The government bans you from milking or killing them.

Totalitarianism: You have two cows. The government takes them and denies they ever existed. Milk is banned.

Foreign Policy, American-Style: You have two cows. The government taxes them and uses the money to buy a cow for a poor farmer a country ruled by a dictator. The farmer has no hay to feed the cow and his religion forbids him from eating it. The cow dies. The man dies. The dictator confiscates the dead man's farm and sells it, using the money to purchase US military equipment. The President declares the program a success and announces closer ties with our new ally.

Bureaucracy, American-Style: You have two cows but you have to kill one of them because the government will only give you a license for one of them. The license requires you to sell all your milk to the government, which uses it to make cheese. The government pays lots of money to store the cheese in refrigerated warehouses. When the cheese spoils, the government distributes it to the poor. The poor get sick from the cheese, go to the emergency room, and are turned away because they have no health insurance. The President declares the program a success and reminds us that we have the finest health care system in the world.

American Corporation: You have two cows. You sell one to a subsidiary company and lease it back to yourself so you can declare it as a tax loss. Your bosses give you a huge bonus. You inject the cows with drugs and they produce four times the normal amount of milk. Your bosses give you a huge bonus. When the drugs cause one of the cows to drop dead you announce to the press that you have down-sized, reducing expenses by 50 percent. The company stock goes up and your bosses give you a huge bonus. You lay off all your workers and move your production facilities to Mexico. You get a huge bonus. You contribute some of your profit to the President's re-election campaign. The President announces tax cuts for corporations in order to stimulate the economy.

Japanese Corporation: You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You teach the cows to travel on unbelievably crowded trains. Your cows always get higher test scores than cows in the U.S. or Europe, but they drink a lot of sake.

German Corporation: You have two cows. You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of beer, give excellent milk, and run a hundred miles an hour. Unfortunately they also demand 13 weeks of vacation per year and are very expensive to repair.

Russian Corporation: You have two cows. You have some vodka. You count your cows and discover you really have five cows! You have more vodka. You count them again and discover you have 42 cows! You stop counting cows and have some more vodka. The Russian Mafia arrives and takes over all your cows. You have more vodka.

Italian Corporation: You have two cows but you can't find them. While searching for them you meet a beautiful woman, take her out to lunch and then make love to her. Life is good.

French Corporation: You have two cows. You go on strike because you want another cow, more vacation and shorter work weeks. The French government announces that it will never agree to your demands. You go to lunch and eat fabulous food and drink wonderful wine. While you are at lunch, the airline pilots and flight controllers join your strike, shutting down all air traffic. The truckers block all the roads and the dock workers block all the ports. By dinner time the French government announces it agrees with all your demands. Life is good.

Political Correctness: You are associated with (the concept of "ownership" is an outdated symbol of your decadent, warmongering, intolerant past) two differently-aged (but no less valuable to society) bovines of non-specified gender. They get married and adopt a calf.

Counterculturalism: Wow, dude, there's like . . . these two cows, man. You have got to have some of this milk.

Surrealism: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

[maureen]

brilliant, Pyewacket!!! 

[pyewacket]

brilliant, Pyewacket!!! 

Glad you liked it, Maureen. I can't take credit though- I wish I was that clever! 

[PB the Deplorable]

Personally, I'd like to see how a no party system would work...

Me too.  There is nothing in the Constitution about political parties.  At it's best, it's like-minded people coming together to get things done, but we are far from that now. 

The Congress wasn't supposed to be in session all year around.  It was originally convened for a few months out of the year to handle what little business the Federal government needed resolved.  This permanent class of elites is not what this country is supposed to be about.

[albrecht]

Me too.  There is nothing in the Constitution about political parties.  At it's best, it's like-minded people coming together to get things done, but we are far from that now. 

The Congress wasn't supposed to be in session all year around.  It was originally convened for a few months out of the year to handle what little business the Federal government needed resolved.  This permanent class of elites is not what this country is supposed to be about.

In an odd way, political action committees (and their various and sundry variants) at first seemed like it might break (or at least steer) the two party system to reflect their constituency of voters as opposed to corporate and national party fund-raising organizations. In theory. A person can donate, participate in, etc on the issues they really care about via a more grass roots bottom-down movement (abortion, guns, whatever) but, obviously that was also co-opted. Washington warned against political parties and many of the Founders (and Presidents even up to Kennedy) warned about secret societies etc. But it would seem it is human nature to conspire and form alliances. The only real solution is to limit the spending power, and income stream, of the government. Take away the money and look how quick the politicians and power-brokers leave DC and get real, productive jobs (or resort to stock swindles and various frauds.)

[Zoo]

Zoo- you confuse me! I'm not sure what you mean or what your personal experiences are regarding political matters.

You think a one party system is best? No opposition- total and complete control by one group of people, you think this would be better?

Once upon a time, we were a representative republic and were represented by citizen politicians, who served for one or two terms and returned to their private lives and businesses. It was considered a duty and a privilege to serve. It also required some personal sacrifice on their part. Now we have career politicians who serve corporate, foreign, and special interests instead of the American people. It's not so much the number of parties in the system - it's the power/money structure and the lobbying and influence peddling.

What is was trying to get across is the Democrat party and the Republican party(Two Party System) is a destroying this country. I was not trying to say we should be a one party system- I need no King.. The two party system we have now has split this country into Red and Blue. Red blames blue-Blue blames red and nothing gets done. The funny thing is, it is a one party system the Greed party. Greed party is ran by corporations/bankers and the Red and Blue are just their to make you think you have a choice. The only choice you have is what they give you!!1

[pyewacket]

Another interesting article:

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/061314-704725-texas-border-immigration-wave-may-well-be-orchestrated.htm?ref=mp

[Quick Karl]

What is was trying to get across is the Democrat party and the Republican party(Two Party System) is a destroying this country. I was not trying to say we should be a one party system- I need no King.. The two party system we have now has split this country into Red and Blue. Red blames blue-Blue blames red and nothing gets done. The funny thing is, it is a one party system the Greed party. Greed party is ran by corporations/bankers and the Red and Blue are just their to make you think you have a choice. The only choice you have is what they give you!!1

You're nuts. The Republican party is all devils, and the Democrats are all angels.

WTF is wrong with you anyways?

[albrecht]

Another interesting article:

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/061314-704725-texas-border-immigration-wave-may-well-be-orchestrated.htm?ref=mp

I can believe it. At the very minimum the administration has yet to issue even a press release saying that they aren't accepting any child or are giving amnesty. Obama wants his "change" to "transform the country" that he is willing to have children abused, abandoned, and face all kinds of diseases.

[Quick Karl]

I can believe it. At the very minimum the administration has yet to issue even a press release saying that they aren't accepting any child or are giving amnesty. Obama wants his "change" to "transform the country" that he is willing to have children abused, abandoned, and face all kinds of diseases.

He wants future amnestied voters that will erase the half of AMERICAN CITIZENS that he doesn't like, and those future amnestied voters will take YOUR JOB for LESS MONEY, further destroying you and your children's future.

In liberal parlance, its called compassion, compromise and democracy.

But, the republicans in DC, are colluding to make it happen, because everyone in that cesspool, is going to get richer from it.

Imagine what would happen, if all the assholes in America, actually agreed on that simple premise, and started getting seriously vocal about it...

But, it is far more important, not to agree on anything, with someone that believes there is a God, or that doesn't support the gay mafia.

I do not believe there is a God, but I do not know, for a fact, that there isn't a God. Anyone that doesn't agree with my brilliance is just a stupid inbred Tennessee backwoods hillbilly moron that shouldn't have the right to vote, or even talk.

[pyewacket]

The gangs are loving this!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/14/border-agents-lament-mexican-gang-members-entering/

[albrecht]

The gangs are loving this!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/14/border-agents-lament-mexican-gang-members-entering/

This character Obama spend a lot of time "organizing" in Chicago. I'm sure he is quite familiar with gangs though I could never figure out if he was "Peoples" or "Folk" nation. Knowing him he probably figured out a way to belong to both. Certainly he will be happy about bringing in more gangs and violence because gangs do a good job of "fundamentally transforming" the country.

[Foodlion]

Imagine this shit happening in America, in your town.

Truck loads of Mexicans coming to a town near you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ec-1237cLU&list=UUbETprQMpd9BZ5KyvPBM4IA

(warning on this video. It's a guy getting murdered)
Cartels murdering people with guns ice picks. Yes this is pretty sick stuff. The truth sometimes is.  Cartels are hiding as immigrants and making their way into the system. This is no mystery to either political party. What I'm trying to say is OUR PRESIDENT KNOWS he's putting lives in danger by allowing criminals into this country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgf2u73O7hI&list=UU_tQKLnbkX-NN4yssKAtvAg
Wait until MS-13 shows up in the small towns where these immigrants are being dropped off. Then, maybe people will start waking up.

They are here to stay, make money, send the money back to Mexico to build their retirement, and eventually return. All that with out paying a dime into the system, and getting essentially everything for free. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XXXO7ZSrqw

Hospital problems like this, are about to multiply 5,000%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3RkY5NPc7o

Why are liberals turning this into a story of GOP being a bunch of heartless meanies? I'd like them to avoid using the children of immigrants as emotional tools, and start thinking about the future of our own children instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdsT1vNp0zQ

Honestly, If any liberals would like to share some positive stories, please do. I'm open to see why this stuff gets a free pass on liberal's item of concern.

[b_dubb]

Illegals pay a lot into Social Security when they aren't paid under the table.  And they spend a lot of money when they are here.  My biggest complaint is that some don't have an instinct for self preservation and drive under the influence and get fucking loco when they start drinking.  On even my experience with undocumented workers from Latin America is pretty positive.  With one exception.

[albrecht]

Imagine this shit happening in America, in your town.

Truck loads of Mexicans coming to a town near you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ec-1237cLU&list=UUbETprQMpd9BZ5KyvPBM4IA

(warning on this video. It's a guy getting murdered)
Cartels murdering people with guns ice picks. Yes this is pretty sick stuff. The truth sometimes is.  Cartels are hiding as immigrants and making their way into the system. This is no mystery to either political party. What I'm trying to say is OUR PRESIDENT KNOWS he's putting lives in danger by allowing criminals into this country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgf2u73O7hI&list=UU_tQKLnbkX-NN4yssKAtvAg
Wait until MS-13 shows up in the small towns where these immigrants are being dropped off. Then, maybe people will start waking up.

They are here to stay, make money, send the money back to Mexico to build their retirement, and eventually return. All that with out paying a dime into the system, and getting essentially everything for free. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XXXO7ZSrqw

Hospital problems like this, are about to multiply 5,000%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3RkY5NPc7o

Why are liberals turning this into a story of GOP being a bunch of heartless meanies? I'd like them to avoid using the children of immigrants as emotional tools, and start thinking about the future of our own children instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdsT1vNp0zQ

Honestly, If any liberals would like to share some positive stories, please do. I'm open to see why this stuff gets a free pass on liberal's item of concern.

It is for many of us. For a long time but due to the open-border policy it will get worse.
Illegal tries deported several times tries to rape 9 year old and steals phones and underwear:
http://tinyurl.com/qfuufsq
Illegal alien serial killer and rapist (remember him?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81ngel_Maturino_Res%C3%A9ndiz
Cartel beheading likely in Oklahoma:
http://www.krgv.com/news/expert-says-beheadings-in-u-s-look-like-work-of-cartels/
For the Hollywood types who encourage the illegals, remember it can happen to your own:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrienne_Shelly
Illegal Alien released under the Obama policy just committed a murder possible kidnapping:
http://tinyurl.com/k6xmuyr


I won't even mention all the disease, DUI accidents, rapes, murders, thefts, etc committed by our friendly illegals. Not to mention the awful things the more innocent illegals have to go through just to become an Obama "dreamer": rape, sex slavery, exploitation by corrupt Mexican officials and cops, dehydration, abandoning their children, etc. Even used in fun "gladiator" games by cartels and forced to fight each other sometimes. But Obama seems to care less and keeps giving them incentives like "dreamer", catch-and-release, free bus fare, healthcare, buying them toys, and even (if reports are true) giving them EBT cards and letting them shop at WalMart. Why not? If they can help Balkanize the country, deliver more future Democratic voters, and help with the "fundamental change" to the country and country's demographics let them risk it all.

[NowhereInTime]

Imagine this shit happening in America, in your town.

Truck loads of Mexicans coming to a town near you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ec-1237cLU&list=UUbETprQMpd9BZ5KyvPBM4IA

(warning on this video. It's a guy getting murdered)
Cartels murdering people with guns ice picks. Yes this is pretty sick stuff. The truth sometimes is.  Cartels are hiding as immigrants and making their way into the system. This is no mystery to either political party. What I'm trying to say is OUR PRESIDENT KNOWS he's putting lives in danger by allowing criminals into this country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgf2u73O7hI&list=UU_tQKLnbkX-NN4yssKAtvAg
Wait until MS-13 shows up in the small towns where these immigrants are being dropped off. Then, maybe people will start waking up.

They are here to stay, make money, send the money back to Mexico to build their retirement, and eventually return. All that with out paying a dime into the system, and getting essentially everything for free. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XXXO7ZSrqw

Hospital problems like this, are about to multiply 5,000%

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3RkY5NPc7o

Why are liberals turning this into a story of GOP being a bunch of heartless meanies? I'd like them to avoid using the children of immigrants as emotional tools, and start thinking about the future of our own children instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdsT1vNp0zQ

Honestly, If any liberals would like to share some positive stories, please do. I'm open to see why this stuff gets a free pass on liberal's item of concern.

You know why we give a "free pass"?  Because many of us, too, got a free pass into this country.
Demographically, all of Connecticut's cities are heavily Latino.  Hartford, 74%. New Haven, 67%. Bridgeport, 69%.  Waterbury, officially, 43% from last census.
Truth is that there a large groups from Central and South America here.
Do some commit crime?  Are some sick?  Do some abuse the system?
Yes.
If you watch the local news lately, a black man shot up downtown Stamford, which is usually as secure and idyllic as it gets, anywhere.  A white medical executive from Ridgefield left his 22 month old in a hot car to die.  So did a white,middle age, late in life father from New London.  A black man was arrested for a shooting in Hartford.
Honestly, only an irrational person wouldn't get the point.
Every race has criminal, enfeebled persons, and cultural identity.
Latinos are coming here because, try as they might, their current homelands are rife with corruption.  Holdovers from a very weak Spanish Empire. 
Let's stop demonizing Mexicans.  They bear no ill will as a group.  At least no more than the Italians.  (La Cosa Nostra, anyone?)
I would rather we find a way to end the status quo in Latin American countries and move away from the power broker model favored by Eisenhower (Bautista) and Reagan (Somosa) and toward democratically elected leaders (like Salvador Allende...oops...)

[Foodlion]

You know why we give a "free pass"?  Because many of us, too, got a free pass into this country.
Demographically, all of Connecticut's cities are heavily Latino.  Hartford, 74%. New Haven, 67%. Bridgeport, 69%.  Waterbury, officially, 43% from last census.
Truth is that there a large groups from Central and South America here.
Do some commit crime?  Are some sick?  Do some abuse the system?
Yes.
If you watch the local news lately, a black man shot up downtown Stamford, which is usually as secure and idyllic as it gets, anywhere.  A white medical executive from Ridgefield left his 22 month old in a hot car to die.  So did a white,middle age, late in life father from New London.  A black man was arrested for a shooting in Hartford.
Honestly, only an irrational person wouldn't get the point.
Every race has criminal, enfeebled persons, and cultural identity.
Latinos are coming here because, try as they might, their current homelands are rife with corruption.  Holdovers from a very weak Spanish Empire. 
Let's stop demonizing Mexicans.  They bear no ill will as a group.  At least no more than the Italians.  (La Cosa Nostra, anyone?)

I agree. Sounds like we need to fix a lot of problems at home before introducing more potential problematic sheep into the fold.

If there are good illegal immigrant stories, or potential ones, I'm really looking forward to seeing them. 
Having lived in two states connected to the border, I can say nothing worth mentioning that was positive in my experiences with the migrant influx.
I know good people exist on all sides of the globe. I just don't know if in the year 2014 in America, this massive wave of immigration is good, or even remotely tolerable for this country.

Let's also not forget our neighbors of the south of Mexico, and the Chinese, and the Middle eastern which are also crossing through the Mexico/US border.

IS this really a race issue? Or is it an issue of economic, security, and health of the US?

[albrecht]

You know why we give a "free pass"?  Because many of us, too, got a free pass into this country.
Demographically, all of Connecticut's cities are heavily Latino.  Hartford, 74%. New Haven, 67%. Bridgeport, 69%.  Waterbury, officially, 43% from last census.
Truth is that there a large groups from Central and South America here.
Do some commit crime?  Are some sick?  Do some abuse the system?
Yes.
If you watch the local news lately, a black man shot up downtown Stamford, which is usually as secure and idyllic as it gets, anywhere.  A white medical executive from Ridgefield left his 22 month old in a hot car to die.  So did a white,middle age, late in life father from New London.  A black man was arrested for a shooting in Hartford.
Honestly, only an irrational person wouldn't get the point.
Every race has criminal, enfeebled persons, and cultural identity.
Latinos are coming here because, try as they might, their current homelands are rife with corruption.  Holdovers from a very weak Spanish Empire. 
Let's stop demonizing Mexicans.  They bear no ill will as a group.  At least no more than the Italians.  (La Cosa Nostra, anyone?)
I would rather we find a way to end the status quo in Latin American countries and move away from the power broker model favored by Eisenhower (Bautista) and Reagan (Somosa) and toward democratically elected leaders (like Salvador Allende...oops...)

EXACTLY. We have enough problems here already with our own citizens and those legal, and illegal immigrants, already here (or descendent from them.) So WHY is it a good idea to import more disease, rapists, murderers, drug dealers, wife beaters, child molesters, etc? We have enough problems in our education system and funding it properly so importing more uneducated, illiterate (even in their own language) children will help it? Are you crazy? How does this "help" our situation? Or, like Obama seems to be, are you just determined to destroy, sorry "fundamentally transform", the country no matter what damage it does to us or other countries?

[PB the Deplorable]

... I'm open to see why this stuff gets a free pass on liberal's item of concern.

It gets a free pass because they are still swooning over Dear Leader.  This 'Progressivism' may not be a mental disease as Michael Savage claims, but if it isn't then it's their religion.  So this incredibly destructive person currently occupying the White House continues to get a pass from them.

The people making the decisions - like Obama, Valerie Jarrette, and the illegal 'czars' - know exactly what they are doing.  They must be shocked how easy it's been.  How effectively their allies in Big Media cover for them.

While they are attacking us on every front they can think of, this particular enterprise - flooding the country with 1) young diseased illiterate foreigners in order for them to continue overwhelming our welfare and health care systems, and 2) criminals, cartel and gang members to go on a crime spree around the country - is right out of their Commie textbooks.  It's called the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

[Foodlion]

While they are attacking us on every front they can think of, this particular enterprise - flooding the country with 1) young diseased illiterate foreigners in order for them to continue overwhelming our welfare and health care systems, and 2) criminals, cartel and gang members to go on a crime spree around the country - is right out of their Commie textbooks.  It's called the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

On all my own research I found this to be true. I didn't use any information provided by Foxnews, Infowars, or anything said to be leaning right. I used Al-Jazeera, RT, NYPost, NYT and some other sources that I feel would address the issue in a more nonbias way. The conclusion is, the majority of crosses are as you mentioned above, to include pregnant women, and a lot of sick people that need medical assistance Tax dollars are just being thrown at this issue.
If education is needed, these people need to be educated on anything BUT political manipulation, or how to work the over burdened entitlement system.
My idea is the immigrants are being groomed as potential 2016 voters to keep this runaway train on the tracks, and at full speed. Nobody in their right minds, even the Dems should be so enthusiastic to see all of this taking place.
I see democratic politicians very excited at all of this, and it's just strange as fuck.

[PB the Deplorable]

Obama and his supporters are the throwbacks.  Their beliefs are leftovers from the Dark Ages, more recently energized by Karl Marx.

They reject the Enlightenment and advances made in human governance.  Look how Obama treats the Constitution.  Look how the Left has treated it long before this person showed up. 

See them burn our flag and denounce us.  Oh how they despise Freedom - Liberty, individual rights, free exchange, the right to ones own property - and all that goes with it.

Freedom, Independence, self-rule, rule by the consent of the governed didn't just happen.  It was a long battle that took centuries, culminating in the birth of the United Sates.  Just because we had the right people at the right time during the Founding of this nation does not mean our freedom is safe or that it is perpetual.

These 'Progressives', these throwbacks, wish to hand our hard won freedom back to those who would govern us without our consent, to those who they think 'know better' than we do how to run our lives.  They need no input from we the people in how to run our country.   

In order to build their Utopia, they need a government that is massive enough to get it all done, powerful enough to force it's will on us, and centralized so it can impose itself on all of us at the same time.  To reach their goals, they need a strong ruthless dictatorship.


And they have the right guy for all that in office right now.  'I have a pen and a phone', 'if Congress won't act I will', 'so sue me'.  5.5 years of this destruction hasn't been enough to completely wreck the country, but it's been a great start.  He's got 2.5 years to go and he seems to be moving faster and faster.

[albrecht]

Aside from the obvious (help to Balkanize the country, overwhelm the social safety net, get Democratic voters, etc) there also is even a more nefarious dimension not frequently addressed:

-many of these immigrants, especially the illegals, come from very, very corrupt and violent countries, are illiterate (even in their own language), and desperate. They have no tradition of equal rights,  education, or of rule-of-law. They will easily accept "el jefe's" word, have no understanding of Western jurisprudence, separation of powers, etc. They will willing giving up their rights if some government tells them because almost anything is better than getting your head sawn off and your daughter sold as a sex-slave. And they will do whatever "their betters" will tell them, especially the ones who let them in the country and gave them free stuff. They are used to corruption and, when they do vote, are used to "jefes" and political bosses telling them how to vote "or else." Never even having had the right to own a gun or land of their own they don't have a concept of those things either.

So ignoring the obvious criminal or diseased, simply the fact of importing even honest people so uneducated and used to being abused by their government and cartels and accepting of that situation will be a bad thing as they bring that acquiescence of authority (no matter how corrupt or evil) to our country with no knowledge of our Constitution, common law, property rights, self-defense (though some brave souls are trying in Mexico), gun rights, honest voting, legal systems, etc.