John B. Wells

[BobGrau]

Pizza punch?

Not that it's going to save you from the apocalypse or anything...

[Sleepwalker]

No, PB, you remember Bell doing paid commercials for gold, HGH precursors, etc. I can't recall him ever pitching of his own product other than his books.  Big difference from peddling hardcore prepper crap out of your trunk to paranoid losers whom you just spent four hours pumping with notions of impending doom as Wells does.  I'm not Bell groupie but there's a stark contrast between Bell and even Noory's roles in commercials on C2C and the "Buy-this-from-me-before-Obama-orders-your-death" Wells.

Well said!

[McPhallus]

The sycophants aren't really on this site (we're a jaded bunch), although a few show up in the Art Bell Quits Coast thread.

The real sycophants (and even a few wannabe starfuckers, I'd imagine) are on his facebook.  There he can post literally anything, no matter how banal or cryptic, and instantly have hundreds of comments both praising him and begging him to return.  He could post updates on his bowel movements, and people would love it.

I think people overlook his commercialism because he was such a good host.  At his best, he seemed to straddle the line between business and entertainment.

[slipstream]

I remember Art peddling gold and HGH (!) among other things. 

How about gold dipped roses, remember that?

[ItsOver]

Pizza punch?

Not that it's going to save you from the apocalypse or anything...

Wow... another wonderful Art Bell memory for all of us "sycophants."     Wasn't that something Ramona came up with?  Shameless pizza spiking pushers. 

[slipstream]

Pizza punch?

Not that it's going to save you from the apocalypse or anything...

Oh yeah, this?


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[VtaGeezer]

OK, OK..I forgot the pizza oil.  Still a far cry from Well's $500 radiation detectors.

[TheGrimCreeper1]

Pretty clear that he meant that George understands that radio is a business, and that Clear Channel made it's decisions based on ratings.


I have no comment on your post other than that Clear Channel made it's decisions based on rating.  That claim is demonstrably false.  Clear Channel has a history, which you can verify by using the googlemachine, of basing show decisions upon politics.  One example I found in five minutes of looking; within the last six months a show which was profitable and well rated was removed from a Clear Chanel S.F., CA. station and Glenn Beck was inserted into the slot, ratings promptly dropped and likewise ad-revenue.  This gets repeated throughout Clear Channel, also look at the salary increases given to broadcasters who have a conservative bent even when no other company was pursuing said broadcasters.  This even though Clear Channel is being crushed with a heavy debt load.  The claim made by the above poster is over-generalized hokum, C.C. has had for a long time a very serious political "flavor" which may explain much of what gets broadcast.

Have a great day.

Oh, no. It's the vast right-wing conspiracy!!! Clear Channel may put a premium on conservative viewpoints, but I'd like you to tell me which media conglomerate doesn't have a slant. Are you going to tell me that ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and MSNBC don't have a left-wing bias? We're talking about the same networks that ripped George W. Bush to shreds yet think the sun shines out of Obama's ass. The same networks that gave us a continuous tally of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, but have suddenly gone silent.

So what is your complaint exactly? The fact that all media sources don't march in lockstep with liberals?

[TheGrimCreeper1]

Seriously, all you folks jumping on Art for earning a living via paid sponsorships are being quite hypocritical. Which one of you does your job for free? Who among you donates 40+ hours a week to charitable causes? I find this very symptomatic of the current attack-the-successful climate in which we live. What should Art Bell have done to satisfy your oh-so-sanctimonious needs? Should he have donated his salary to the Little Sisters of the Poor? Taken an oath of poverty? Art Bell was a radio host -- and a damn good one at that. For the years he provided me with listening pleasure, I hope he is able to live a comfortable life in retirement. How many of you can say that you've mourned the loss of a spouse before millions of listeners? Let's not forget the public accusation that he molested his son. Art Bell worked hard and excelled in a field where relatively few make decent money anymore. He made it seem so easy that many of us took his talents and abilities for granted. Now that he's retired, and we're left with pale imitations of a truly great host -- there can be little doubt there is only one Art of talk.

[TheGrimCreeper1]

The sycophants aren't really on this site (we're a jaded bunch), although a few show up in the Art Bell Quits Coast thread.

The real sycophants (and even a few wannabe starfuckers, I'd imagine) are on his facebook.  There he can post literally anything, no matter how banal or cryptic, and instantly have hundreds of comments both praising him and begging him to return.  He could post updates on his bowel movements, and people would love it.

I think people overlook his commercialism because he was such a good host.  At his best, he seemed to straddle the line between business and entertainment.

Are you sure you aren't confusing the average Obama drone with those of us who still appreciate what Art Bell brought to the mic? When you make it to the hall of fame for your achievements in a chosen field, I'll consider anything you have to say about the subject as relevant. It's easy to tear down someone else's accomplishments when you have little or no talent to call your own.

[slipstream]

I don't think anyone is ripping Art for wanting to sell stuff and make money.  We're merely making the point that they all do it to a degree.  Wells has his side projects, and Bell had his.  Really I don't care either way. Let them go and make money as individuals.

[slipstream]

OK, OK..I forgot the pizza oil.  Still a far cry from Well's $500 radiation detectors.

I don't know, Pizza Punch year after year really adds up.

[awake]

So what is your complaint exactly? The fact that all media sources don't march in lockstep with liberals?

Nope, not at all.  As I clearly stated.  I think you know that because I was very clear and I also showed the portion of your statement to which I was referring. 
So, my new question is why you would not simply acknowledge that the original statement, written by someone else and not concerning you at all, was incorrect and overly broad. 
Instead of adding something of value to the thread you made a conscious decision to go with the trite and tired screed approach, which is just mentally lazy.  I may be new here but I'm surprised to see such a low-level of discourse.  I apologize if you view that as ad hominem.

[onan]

George jr does deserve to be shredded. He lied us into a war. Into a war with the wrong country.

Like his entire history, he failed. He is a joke and not a funny one. He is the only president that is afraid to visit another country because he realizes he may well be charged with war crimes.

Am I crazy over Obama? or Obamadrone? no, and fuck you for using the term.

Romney, really? wanted to declare $77,000 loss for dressage. Another neo-con that wants to sell every job he can to India.

The only two years of manufacturing growth in this country in the last 20 years has been under Obama. But he is marxist/socialist/Kenyan.

[RealCool Daddio]

Although I see your point RCD, I don't see all that much blind loyalty... perhaps I should look harder. On the other hand this is pretty much an anti-noory site. I have a pretty good recollection of the "gets it" statement. Art was specifically talking about noory's understanding of the paranormal. I suppose there could be some underlying-read-between-the-lines meaning to Art's comment. But honestly do you think george does get the biz? I don't. I do think he was lucky enough to get a gig where there was NO competition and still isn't. And even with that gn has whittled the audience base to a fraction of what it was.

I do completely agree with you however Art isn't a sacred cow. I would also put forward that I am disappointed in his cryptic messages. Annoyed he has toyed with loyal fans. If he has no desire to return then say that.

To the advertising, I don't think Art or george has the luxury of selecting who they shill for. The only thing I can say to that is I find a CCrane radio somewhat more interesting than a psx90. Then again I have always tuned out the ads... much to my loss it has also tuned out many minutes of returning dialogue from guest and host.

A bit late getting to this response, sorry Onan.  My recollection of the "get's it" comment may well be incorrect, it has been years since I heard the show.  I pretty much agree with the rest of your comments.  I am not a fan of George, and will be happy when he leaves.  But I still don't buy the notion that any of the hosts - Noory included - have taken the show in a radically different direction.  In fact, it seems that the "major" difference between Wells selling crap and Art selling crap in this thread has been reduced to the fact that one of them is Art, and one isn't.  And people can hate Wells, or Ian, or any other host for not being Art all they want.  But if their concern is what has become of Art's legacy, their beef might be with Art himself.

[fromwomewhere outthere]

and he probably works for a relatively low salary.  Has anyone ever seen an estimate of what he makes?

400k yearly rings a bell.....

[fromwomewhere outthere]

The only two years of manufacturing growth in this country in the last 20 years has been under Obama.

Utter BS...

[Juan]

400k yearly rings a bell.....

That sounds within Cheap Channel range - compare with Rush who makes more than 25-million.

[onan]

Utter BS...

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/the-state-of-obamas-facts/

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs

Obama was also correct when he said that last year’s private job growth was the most in six years and that the manufacturing sector experienced job gains not seen since the 20th century. But he was silent on how far the jobs recovery has to go.

Obama: In the last 22 months, businesses have created more than three million jobs. Last year, they created the most jobs since 2005.  American manufacturers are hiring again, creating jobs for the first time since the late 1990s.

Between February 2010 and December 2011, private sector employment climbed from 106,772,000 to 109,928,000, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That’s an increase of nearly 3.2 million jobs.

Yeah it is murky. But better than bush.

[ItsOver]

400k yearly rings a bell.....

Sounds like 400K too much.

[WOTR]

The only two years of manufacturing growth in this country in the last 20 years has been under Obama. But he is marxist/socialist/Kenyan.

Having manufacturing growth is not a huge feat.  When the dollar takes a beating manufacturing and exports are likely to rise (I realize that the Euro is doing far worse now and the dollar appears stable.)  Also, to put things in perspective- it took 200 years to accumulate 1 trillion in debt (America hit it in 1986.)  Obama will be the first president in history to run trillion dollar deficits during each of his 4 years.  The fact is that if you cannot manage to grow manufacturing while throwing trillions at the economy something is very wrong.

Now for the disclaimers.  I fully recognize that this trajectory started under a Republican president  (Actually, it has really been a number of Republicans and Democrats who are responsible.)  I fully recognize that the house and Senate are equally responsible.  I really do not dislike Obama (I would have voted for him over McCain.)  I just think that if that is a very poor way to measure how he has done overall.  Hell, even I could increase manufacturing and decrease the number of unemployed if given the power of a blank cheque.

[onan]

Having manufacturing growth is not a huge feat.  When the dollar takes a beating manufacturing and exports are likely to rise (I realize that the Euro is doing far worse now and the dollar appears stable.)  Also, to put things in perspective- it took 200 years to accumulate 1 trillion in debt (America hit it in 1986.)  Obama will be the first president in history to run trillion dollar deficits during each of his 4 years.  The fact is that if you cannot manage to grow manufacturing while throwing trillions at the economy something is very wrong.

Now for the disclaimers.  I fully recognize that this trajectory started under a Republican president  (Actually, it has really been a number of Republicans and Democrats who are responsible.)  I fully recognize that the house and Senate are equally responsible.  I really do not dislike Obama (I would have voted for him over McCain.)  I just think that if that is a very poor way to measure how he has done overall.  Hell, even I could increase manufacturing and decrease the number of unemployed if given the power of a blank cheque.

I agree with everything you said. Reagan was praised for the blank check approach. Cheney said (something along the lines of) the debt doesn't matter. My point in the post you select was Obama is attacked for the very things that passed for "OK" under the last administration. We need more jobs (captain obvious, I know) but one conservative nutter said "Americans don't want those kind of jobs." And he was talking manufacturing jobs. No Americans don't want jobs that could teach them skills... well other than flipping burgers... fuck me.

[PB the Deplorable]

I agree with everything you said. Reagan was praised for the blank check approach. Cheney said (something along the lines of) the debt doesn't matter. My point in the post you select was Obama is attacked for the very things that passed for "OK" under the last administration. We need more jobs (captain obvious, I know) but one conservative nutter said "Americans don't want those kind of jobs." And he was talking manufacturing jobs. No Americans don't want jobs that could teach them skills... well other than flipping burgers... fuck me.

Now you've got me curious - when was Reagan ever praised for his 'blank check approach'?  What I remember every year was House Speaker Tip O'Neill declaring Reagans annual budgt 'dead on arrival', with the Dems later filling their budget with all sorts of additional spending.  And who was 'praising' him for any of this?

And exactly which 'Conservative' said the line about Americans not wanting manufacturing jobs? 


I only ask this because you are a stickler on fairness and full disclosure in other posts.

[Morgus]

Surprise - John B. Wells has changed his scheduled main guest and topic for his Saturday night c2c show tonight.
Now its all about gun laws and he has a guest from infowars.com

[Sleepwalker]

Surprise - John B. Wells has changed his scheduled main guest and topic for his Saturday night c2c show tonight.
Now its all about gun laws and he has a guest from infowars.com

The Coast to Coast AM producers have no shame.  An unspeakable tragedy occurs and Coast to Coast AM exploits it for entertainment purposes by inviting an Alex Jones protege onto the show.  Just what America needs.  John B. Wells and Alex Jones telling us the "truth."  Sick.

[ItsOver]

The Coast to Coast AM producers have no shame.  An unspeakable tragedy occurs and Coast to Coast AM exploits it for entertainment purposes by inviting an Alex Jones protege onto the show.  Just what America needs.  John B. Wells and Alex Jones telling us the "truth."  Sick.

I can hardly listen to the radio or TV news.  I stumbled upon a true alien on TV yesterday, Shepard Smith, exploiting the tragedy yesterday.  That goon was almost slobbering, he appeared so excited.  You're right, no shame.  Disgusting.

[ZombiePoppa]

The Coast to Coast AM producers have no shame.  An unspeakable tragedy occurs and Coast to Coast AM exploits it for entertainment purposes by inviting an Alex Jones protege onto the show.  Just what America needs.  John B. Wells and Alex Jones telling us the "truth."  Sick.

I'm filled with rage over this. This John B Wells is a real puke. And the guest is from motherfucking Infowars? What a joke.

[Oversoul]

Wells, his guest Rob Dew, and the C2C show producers are absolutely disgusting for exploiting the Colorado moviehouse shooting, for the sake of sensationlism, opportunism and personal agenda.  I hope they get their comeuppance quickly.

[mst3kpimp]

ya this will go down as an all time low for this show.

[michio]

And oh what a tangled conspiratorial web they've already woven. "It's a false flag! No, it's mind control!" Considering how quickly Nooron locked and loaded his concealed weapon at the tragic news, it's no surprise his protégé John B. would do the same. Like gun rights paranoid father, like gun rights paranoid son.