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Metron2267

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 28, 2018, 07:49:39 PM
Not yet she didn't.

My bad - she got through the primary...yes.

QuoteIf I were her opponent in the general election, I'd be talking about her closest political advisor every day from now until the election.  A person who she only distanced herself from today.  Routine anti-Semitic comments, routine use of the N word to describe blacks who don't support her, all sorts of other unacceptable commentary about all sorts of people.

Oh wait a minute, you mean someone who trades in the race card is actually a racist???

Heavens, that was unexpected, lol!

QuoteThat she only now threw him under the bus isn't good enough.

Right on.

Metron2267

Quote from: WOTR on June 29, 2018, 01:28:07 AM
You forgot Saskatchewan (and possibly even Manitoba.)  BC is just necessary for the port... But it is kind of the California of Canada in terms of politics.  Still, we need some way to access foreign markets...

Your pipeline hating left coast proggies  seem too have forgotten that an economy runs on being able to deliver product and honor contracts.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kindermorgan-cn-pipeline/canada-to-buy-kinder-morgans-trans-mountain-pipeline-idUSKCN1IU1MR


QuoteI can almost guarantee that next election the province will be painted blue again (Conservative here is blue.)  Even then, our conservatives are very close to the center.  We had a party that was actually right of center, but they voted to "merge" with the PC's.  Now we are back to no real choice.

Oh you mean Mulcair and those NDP sots?

Come on, each time you relent the socialist again ground - what is it now, universal free daycare?

http://www.childcarecanada.org/documents/child-care-news/18/01/free-daycare-low-income-families-announced
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/03/28/ontario-free-daycare_a_23397574/

Metron2267

Quote from: WOTR on June 29, 2018, 01:51:02 AM
I'm right about where I am happy being in terms of politics..  I really don't feel the need to toe any party line or try to make others happy. 

Funny you should ask this. I just finished ""Bad Religion, how we became a nation of heretics." Judge it how you want- it is a book trying to argue that society is falling farther from God even where people sometimes think they are getting closer.  Not a bad book at all.

One of the passages that I thought was fitting was" The more that politics becomes the landscape of good versus evil, real Americans versus fascists or socialists, liberty versus tyranny, the greater the pressure to simply conform your theology to ideology.  Whether they are Catholics or Protestants, lukewarm or zealots, believers often find themselves pressured to "join the side they are on" instead of trying to do justice to the inevitable complexities of political life in the city of man.

Conveniently cast with Americans of course...as if your political landscape wasn't polarized as well?

QuoteIt goes on to say

"in both the apocalyptic and messianic mindsets, all good things go together, and the idea that both the liberal and conservative ideas could capture some element of divine justice is anathema.  To believe it to choose.  If you are theologically conservative, you must be conservative on taxes, spending, everything because otherwise you are just playing into the hands of the secular socialist machine.  If you are politically liberal, then you need to be theologically liberal as well. : It isn't enough just to back welfare programs or environmental protections.  Your'e a bigot and a tool of the wingnuts if you don't support gay marriage as well."

Anyhow, I'm sorry (that's a Canadian "I'm sorry") that I don't really feel like looking at everything through distorted looking glass. I'll continue on as I am and you can continue to despise me.

If you backtrack to socialist rhetoric you WILlL get spanked, yes.

You found that out the hard way before.


Quote*I should add that while the author didn't give the right a "pass", he was far harder on the left and held them responsible for far more wars, death, and general poor results.  But he did not let the right completely off the hook...

Of course he didn't, I mean with the left acting out and endorsing violence, censorship, government jack bootism, and overt violence one would have to go after the right as well...sigh...same as it ever was... >:(

Metron2267

Quote from: WOTR on June 29, 2018, 03:11:14 AM
Quick "thanks" to all of you.  I do usually enjoy my time here, and appreciate the banter.  I figure that debate can help to show the various sides of an argument and if there are small flaws or gaping holes.  Bellgabbers are generally good a finding gaping holes. :o

I know that there are a few people here who are very serious about politics, and think it is "us or them" and almost a war.  I'm just not to that point yet- so I entertain different ideas and thoughts (sometimes I am very serious about them- sometimes it is more flirting with a position...) 

Anyhow, thanks again.  :)

So it's NOT "almost a culture war" yet?

Seriously?

Wakey wakey, hoser - it IS a culture war!

WTF?

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/786ljd/eyeopening_survey_shows_no1_fear_for_us_citizens/
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/this-list-of-attacks-against-conservatives-is-mind-blowing/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/09/ap-evangelicals-paranoid-fear-liberal-attacks-religion/
http://thedailypatriot.net/left-attacks-conservatives/
https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/maxine-waters-political-violence/
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/maxine-waters-protests-calls-violence/

Led by some geriatric old mansion dwelling, racist, leftard hag! >:( >:( >:(

starramus

It is a class war you ignorant rude, and crude motherfucker! And you Neanderthal Trumpsters are commiserating with your arch enemy. You can bet your old shriveled testicles that Donnie will sell you out in a nanosecond. Do you see any of your class types sitting in his cabinet? All you see residing there are investor class moneyed plutocrats. You legally retarded motherfuckers have elected as your representative he who has not the slightest care about your interests.

This is a fact jack, and you can see where Donnie's loyalties lie. Not with your foolish patriotic nationalism, but with his fuckin pocket book!


Bernie Sanders
‏Verified account @SenSanders

Trump tells us every day how much he hates immigrants and how much he loves American workers. But last year, Trump chose to hire only one American worker even though thousands of Americans wanted to work at his Mar-a-Lago resort. The rest were low-wage temporary guest workers.
10:01 AM - 22 Jun 2018
1,240 replies 11,158 retweets 28,279 likes

You had better look for the truth elsewhere, and not with Donnie Tinyhands

Per Me Caeci Vident!

Metron2267

Quote from: starramus on June 29, 2018, 09:43:54 AM
It is a class war you ignorant rude, and crude motherfucker! And you Neanderthal Trumpsters are commiserating with your arch enemy. You can bet your old shriveled testicles that Donnie will sell you out in a nanosecond. Do you see any of your class types sitting in his cabinet?

ESAD TRAITOR!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeyZumUcfw4

starramus

enlightenment can be found here, and not from some right wing think tank propaganda mill! "the dominant ideology is ruling class ideology", because they have bought and paid for its creation.

https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1010206027797524480

starramus

Bernie is another imperialist supporter of the military industrial complex, but he is the best amerikkka has to offer. the very least of all of the EVILS!


Metron2267

Quote from: starramus on June 29, 2018, 09:55:10 AM
he is the best amerikkka has to offer. the very least of all of the EVILS!

DIE TRAITOR DIE!

Gd5150

Quote from: starramus on June 29, 2018, 09:55:10 AM
Bernie is another imperialist supporter of the military industrial complex, but he is the best amerikkka has to offer. the very least of all of the EVILS!





Kidnostad3

Quote from: starramus on June 29, 2018, 09:43:54 AM
It is a class war you ignorant rude, and crude motherfucker! And you Neanderthal Trumpsters are commiserating with your arch enemy. You can bet your old shriveled testicles that Donnie will sell you out in a nanosecond. Do you see any of your class types sitting in his cabinet? All you see residing there are investor class moneyed plutocrats. You legally retarded motherfuckers have elected as your representative he who has not the slightest care about your interests.

This is a fact jack, and you can see where Donnie's loyalties lie. Not with your foolish patriotic nationalism, but with his fuckin pocket book!

Bernie Sanders
‏Verified account @SenSanders

Trump tells us every day how much he hates immigrants and how much he loves American workers. But last year, Trump chose to hire only one American worker even though thousands of Americans wanted to work at his Mar-a-Lago resort. The rest were low-wage temporary guest workers.
10:01 AM - 22 Jun 2018
1,240 replies 11,158 retweets 28,279 likes
You had better look for the truth elsewhere, and not with Donnie Tinyhands
Per Me Caeci Vident!

Hey, Star’s Anus.  I’m wondering if having that hand up your ass that works your mouth and makes you say silly shit is very painful.

ItsOver

Quote from: Kidnostad3 on June 29, 2018, 10:40:50 AM
I wonder if having that hand up your ass that works your mouth and makes you say silly shit is very painful.
He does seem to be fascinated with hands.   ;D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: starramus on June 29, 2018, 09:55:10 AM
Bernie is another imperialist supporter of the military industrial complex, but he is the best amerikkka has to offer. the very least of all of the EVILS!

LOL! What a sore LOSER! ;D

Kidnostad3

Quote from: ItsOver on June 29, 2018, 10:44:51 AM
He does seem to be fascinated with hands.   ;D

He’s definitely anally receptive.  I heard he once sat on a barstool and sank slowly to the floor. 


PaulAtreides

Quote from: starramus on June 29, 2018, 09:43:54 AM
It is a class war you ignorant rude, and crude motherfucker! And you Neanderthal Trumpsters are commiserating with your arch enemy. You can bet your old shriveled testicles that Donnie will sell you out in a nanosecond. Do you see any of your class types sitting in his cabinet? All you see residing there are investor class moneyed plutocrats. You legally retarded motherfuckers have elected as your representative he who has not the slightest care about your interests.

Years from now when political scientists are writing papers surrounding America's dalliance with facism, Trumpsters will be divided into three, not necessarily and sometimes overlapping, catagories.

First will be the true fiscal conservatives who were seriously lied to and misled by Trump.  These may be the first to bolt as Trump can't hide the numbers. 

Second will be the absolute racists who share with one another significant angst over America soon losing its white majority status.  These will be the last to abandon Trump as they have nowhere else to go.

Third will be the demographic consisting of underemployed, undereducated, mostly rural white men.  While the overall employment picture may improve, it won't improve for them without training, education and perhaps relocation, all things Trump is not inclined to support.  These will bail on Trump as they realize that tax cuts, tariffs, restrictions on immigration and the likes do absolutely nothing for them and may even worsen their plight. 

Finally, women in all three groups (perhaps not in the racists) will begin to abandon Trump as proposed policy actions become even more anti-women.

I believe America will survive this challenge and come out the other side the better for it having learned to resist racists, demagogues and neo-cons.  Americans (again, except for the racists) will have learned to seek the truth and vote their own real interests.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: PaulAtreides on June 29, 2018, 11:10:26 AM
Years from now when political scientists are writing papers surrounding America's dalliance with facism, Trumpsters will be divided into three, not necessarily and sometimes overlapping, catagories.

First will be the true fiscal conservatives who were seriously lied to and misled by Trump.  These may be the first to bolt as Trump can't hide the numbers. 

Second will be the absolute racists who share with one another significant angst over America soon losing its white majority status.  These will be the last to abandon Trump as they have nowhere else to go.

Third will be the demographic consisting of underemployed, undereducated, mostly rural white men.  While the overall employment picture may improve, it won't improve for them without training, education and perhaps relocation, all things Trump is not inclined to support.  These will bail on Trump as they realize that tax cuts, tariffs, restrictions on immigration and the likes do absolutely nothing for them and may even worsen their plight. 

Finally, women in all three groups (perhaps not in the racists) will begin to abandon Trump as proposed policy actions become even more anti-women.

I believe America will survive this challenge and come out the other side the better for it having learned to resist racists, demagogues and neo-cons.  Americans (again, except for the racists) will have learned to seek the truth and vote their own real interests.

Nice pipe dream...literally! Stay off the crack! ::) ;D

Quote from: PaulAtreides on June 29, 2018, 11:10:26 AM
Years from now when political scientists are writing papers surrounding America's dalliance with facism...

Still waiting for evidence of this.

Metron2267

Quote from: PaulAtreides on June 29, 2018, 11:10:26 AM
Years from now when political scientists are writing papers surrounding America's dalliance with facism, Trumpsters will be divided into three, not necessarily and sometimes overlapping, catagories.

Yes:

1. Conservatives
2. Republicans
3. Patriots

;D  ;D  ;D

QuoteI believe America will survive this challenge and come out the other side the better for it having learned to resist racists, demagogues and neo-consdeep staters.  Americans (again, except for the racists) will have learned to seek the truth and vote their own real interests.

Yes we reject the racist, fascist, censorious, deep state, swamp creature Demotards completely.

;D ;D ;D

Quote from: starramus on June 29, 2018, 09:43:54 AM
... Bernie Sanders
‏Verified account @SenSanders

Trump tells us every day how much he hates immigrants and how much he loves American workers. But last year, Trump chose to hire only one American worker even though thousands of Americans wanted to work at his Mar-a-Lago resort. The rest were low-wage temporary guest workers.
10:01 AM - 22 Jun 2018
1,240 replies 11,158 retweets 28,279 likes

You had better look for the truth elsewhere, and not with Donnie Tinyhands

Per Me Caeci Vident!

Trump has never said he hates immigrants.  Not ever. 

He's said there are rapists and murders among those crossing our border with Mexico and coming here illegally.  It's shameful the media and Democrats don't seem to mind that vicious criminals - cartel members, gang members, etc are coming here - why is that? 

He's said we need to do a better job of vetting people coming here from certain nations - because those countries either don't have adequate records on them, or won't share that information with us.  He said he wants an immigration bill that addresses certain issues, and that we need to enforce existing law until that happens.

Why is any of that in any way controversial?  For a bunch of ass-clowns whose main narrative is that Trump's a liar, they sure lie about him a lot.

Quote from: starramus on June 29, 2018, 09:43:54 AM
It is a class war you ignorant rude, and crude motherfucker! And you Neanderthal Trumpsters are commiserating with your arch enemy. You can bet your old shriveled testicles that Donnie will sell you out in a nanosecond. Do you see any of your class types sitting in his cabinet? All you see residing there are investor class moneyed plutocrats. You legally retarded motherfuckers have elected as your representative he who has not the slightest care about your interests.

This is a fact jack, and you can see where Donnie's loyalties lie. Not with your foolish patriotic nationalism, but with his fuckin pocket book!...

Every elected Democrat puts the interests of their Party before the interests of the country.  I would be hard pressed to find one today who doesn't.  Most of the elected Republicans put their self interest and the interests of their campaign contributors before the interests of the country - which is why they are scorned as well. 

We've always had a government comprised of individuals that put their own self interest first (we've also had some excellent elected officials who have done great things for this country).  As it's human nature, the Framers of the Constitution expected this - which is why we have separation of powers, specific powers delegated to specific offices, and checks and balances.  In all that, the goal was to get broad consensus, and reflect the will of the people.

The Leftists hate that we are a successful country, and that we don't need them.  That we are standing in their path of global domination.  They want to take us back centuries to a time before individual liberty, a time of heavy-handed top-down rule, and as can see they are willing to say and do anything to achieve this.


I would say Trump has shown himself to be the least self serving president we've had in some time.  He's done more of what he ran on and was elected to do that any president we've had going back at least to Reagan.  To say otherwise is just more lies from the Left.  Given their constant lies about him, it's ironic how regularly they accuse Trump of doing the lying. 

Quote from: WOTR on June 29, 2018, 01:51:02 AM
I'm right about where I am happy being in terms of politics..  I really don't feel the need to toe any party line or try to make others happy. 

Funny you should ask this. I just finished ""Bad Religion, how we became a nation of heretics." Judge it how you want- it is a book trying to argue that society is falling farther from God even where people sometimes think they are getting closer.  Not a bad book at all.

One of the passages that I thought was fitting was" The more that politics becomes the landscape of good versus evil, real Americans versus fascists or socialists, liberty versus tyranny, the greater the pressure to simply conform your theology to ideology.  Whether they are Catholics or Protestants, lukewarm or zealots, believers often find themselves pressured to "join the side they are on" instead of trying to do justice to the inevitable complexities of political life in the city of man.

It goes on to say

"in both the apocalyptic and messianic mindsets, all good things go together, and the idea that both the liberal and conservative ideas could capture some element of divine justice is anathema.  To believe it to choose.  If you are theologically conservative, you must be conservative on taxes, spending, everything because otherwise you are just playing into the hands of the secular socialist machine.  If you are politically liberal, then you need to be theologically liberal as well. : It isn't enough just to back welfare programs or environmental protections.  Your'e a bigot and a tool of the wingnuts if you don't support gay marriage as well."

Anyhow, I'm sorry (that's a Canadian "I'm sorry") that I don't really feel like looking at everything through distorted looking glass. I'll continue on as I am and you can continue to despise me.

*I should add that while the author didn't give the right a "pass", he was far harder on the left and held them responsible for far more wars, death, and general poor results.  But he did not let the right completely off the hook...

My view is we have one side who for the most part wants nothing more than to be left alone by government.  Low taxes, minimum intrusion, etc.  Yes, sometimes people want to legislate certain things that affect others in shaping the country they want to live in - whether that be anti-abortion, or that same sex unions not be called ''marriage''.  There's nothing wrong with trying to create the society we want to live in, and to affect that in the government sector we have votes and representatives.  But those issues are the exceptions, and those wishing limited government disagree on some of these issues in shaping the country.  And we already have the document that provides for the governance we want - the US Constitution.

The Left wants a vast government intruding into every aspect of our lives, and the high taxes that go along with it.  They despise the limits the Constitution places on their ideas, and have done much damage in undermining it  They want everything from redistribution of wealth, to speech codes, to determining who lives where and how we get to work.  Just listen to them out agitating, demanding.  Endlessly. 


I don't see the two sides as mirror images of each other.

Drudge is reporting Maxine Waters canceled an event due to a ''death threat''.

I'm normally against violence, including the political arena, but I also believe in responding in kind.  These thug Democrats have supported Solidarity, Acorn, Black Bloc, Occupy Wall St, and now BLM violence every step of the way.  Excusing it - and lying about it - as ''peaceful'' demonstrations.  They are now inciting their moron followers to harass opponents.  One of their kook supporters was recently agitated to the point of shooting a Congressman.

I suggest it's not a bad thing some of these Left wing thugs like Maxine Waters get a taste of what they're putting out there.  A ''death threat'' seems pretty tame in comparison to what she's been advocating, and hopefully it awakens her to what it is she's creating, and she dials it back a bit. 

Gd5150

Quote from: PaulAtreides on June 29, 2018, 11:10:26 AM
Years from now when political scientists are writing papers surrounding America's dalliance with facism, Trumpsters will be divided into three:

1. Crackers
2. Crackers
3. Crackers

FIFDuneBoy

Gd5150

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 29, 2018, 12:28:15 PM
Drudge is reporting Maxine Waters canceled an event due to a ''death threat''.

I'm normally against violence, including the political arena, but I also believe in responding in kind.  These thug Democrats have supported Solidarity, Acorn, Black Bloc, Occupy Wall St, and now BLM violence every step of the way.  Excusing it - and lying about it - as ''peaceful'' demonstrations.  They are now inciting their moron followers to harass opponents.  One of their kook supporters was recently agitated to the point of shooting a Congressman.

I suggest it's not a bad thing some of these Left wing thugs like Maxine Waters get a taste of what they're putting out there.  A ''death threat'' seems pretty tame in comparison to what she's been advocating, and hopefully it awakens her to what it is she's creating, and she dials it back a bit.

The 2 events cancelled were in Alabama and Texas. Only 2,500 miles from the voters she’s elected to represent in south central Los Angeles.

Juan

She doesn’t live in the district, why should she make public appearances there?

She's a useless waste of time, and I didn't even read the article, .

If I had to guess, she never planned to hold these events and intended to claim she was prevented from doing so all along.  I'd like to see evidence she traveled there, or planned to do so (such as hotel reservations and airline tickets for herself and staff - not just press releases saying she was going)

Metron2267

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 29, 2018, 11:51:59 AM
I would say Trump has shown himself to be the least self serving president we've had in some time.  He's done more of what he ran on and was elected to do that any president we've had going back at least to Reagan.  To say otherwise is just more lies from the Left.  Given their constant lies about him, it's ironic how regularly they accuse Trump of doing the lying.

They are engaging in the classic psychological illness of projection.

https://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-psychological-projection.htm

Psychological projection is a form of defense mechanism in which someone attributes thoughts, feelings, and ideas which are perceived as undesirable to someone else. For example, someone who harbors racist ideas while believing that racism is socially undesirable might come to believe that a friend is racist, projecting his or her racism onto the other person. Projection may manifest in all kinds of ways, and while it may be a defense mechanism, it can also be very destructive.

Jackstar

Quote from: Juan on June 29, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
She doesn’t live in the district, why should she make public appearances there?

Those may well have been the last two places in the country that she hadn't yet been marked for death in yet.

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