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[OFFICIAL] Iowa Caucus Thread. Predictions, Happenings, etc.

Started by The King of Kings, February 01, 2016, 04:35:18 AM

GravitySucks

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 02, 2016, 12:35:59 PM
Trump: "John McCain got captured. He's a loser. I don't like losers. I like winners."

Yeah, he's ready to be Commander-in-Chief.  Sure.

While Obama is protecting all 57 states...

What he said was "He's a war hero because he got captured. I like people that weren't captured."

It was still a stupid statement, but I would be more concerned with McCain as President than I would with Trump.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-john-mccain-war-hero-2015-7

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 02, 2016, 12:48:31 PM
While Obama is protecting all 57 states...

What he said was "He's a war hero because he got captured. I like people that weren't captured."

It was still a stupid statement, but I would be more concerned with McCain as President than I would with Trump.

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-john-mccain-war-hero-2015-7

Anybody, and I do mean anybody, that questions whether or not John McCain is a true blue hero, is a complete moron. I'm not a big fan of John McCain's politics, but I am a HUGE fan of  his service to this country. That man is an old school badass!



whoozit

Quote from: ge30542 on February 01, 2016, 10:33:33 PM
The "establishment" will push Biden and or Elizabeth Warren in if Sanders keeps traction by winning NH and SC.
I hope Fauxcahontas runs.  That will be a hoot.


SciFiAuthor

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 02, 2016, 05:00:27 AM
We haven't had a traditional conservative for President since Reagan. Cruz is a traditional conservative as is Rubio (despite the gang of 8 immigration bill he now says was a mistake).  Both would appoint strict constructionist judges.

I don't think there is any such thing as a traditional conservative anymore. There are just religious values conservatives, fiscal conservatives, and neoconservatives. I say this because I go back and look at prominent traditional conservatives such as William F. Buckley or Barry Goldwater and I find that they are very different from anything today. Even Ronald Reagan, great as he was, slipped a bit ideologically with the war on drugs and the amnesty. So when people tell me that so-and-so is not a real conservative, I scratch my head. There are no real conservatives up there.

As far as appointing justices, I would be comfortable with either Cruz or Rubio on that count. The trouble is, when vetting justices these guys can look good, like Roberts did, but then once you put them in there they go all liberal.


albrecht

6 areas, 6 coin flips, despite those odds, all 6 are heads and go to Billary?

Quote from: albrecht on February 02, 2016, 05:27:30 PM
6 areas, 6 coin flips, despite those odds, all 6 are heads and go to Billary?

Huh... her luck is like a North Korean dictator's skill at golf. That's why America is number one!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4difPEQ8wA4

albrecht

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 02, 2016, 01:04:55 PM
Anybody, and I do mean anybody, that questions whether or not John McCain is a true blue hero, is a complete moron. I'm not a big fan of John McCain's politics, but I am a HUGE fan of  his service to this country. That man is an old school badass!
Far be it to me to denigrate his service and imprisonment. And it is ridiculous to say things like "I like winners not those who get caught." Having said simply being a POW, or in the military, doesn't mean you can't be wrong about things later or be criticized. I don't like his constant wanting war policies, his 'want a new Cold War' Brzezinski/Kissinger-esque & neo-con agenda, his support for radical Muslim "Springers" and "rebels," and he and Kerry's "commission" on POWs and so forth. I do find it interesting though how various 'liberal' media will criticize those who have criticized McCain when they eviscerated a REAL, bonafide hero Stockdale due to his injuries suffered, and self-inflicted so as to not give propaganda to the commies, during his run with Perot.

GravitySucks

Quote from: albrecht on February 02, 2016, 05:27:30 PM
6 areas, 6 coin flips, despite those odds, all 6 are heads and go to Billary?
It was a two-faced coin

GravitySucks

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 02, 2016, 01:04:55 PM
Anybody, and I do mean anybody, that questions whether or not John McCain is a true blue hero, is a complete moron. I'm not a big fan of John McCain's politics, but I am a HUGE fan of  his service to this country. That man is an old school badass!

I respect his military service.

His Senate service is a disgrace. I can't believe that Arizona continues to reelect him. Compare his campaign promises to his record.  If he was a businessman, he would be in prison for fraud.

albrecht

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 02, 2016, 07:00:48 PM
It was a two-faced coin
;) It is surprising an old-timer like Sanders would fall for that trick. (I could be very non-politically correct and mention historical stereo-types about attention to detail with regard to coins by the tribe, but won't go there since he is admitted non-practicing one and avowed socialist- so he likely gave whatever change he got away just as quickly.) In a way it is amazing that trick coins themselves are legal. Even when used in magic shows and not used to commit fraud. The government prosecutes people who try to make their own "alternative" currency on occasion- and certainly prosecutes those who counterfeit US currency. But two-faced coins are legal as "novelties"- even when they have markings that, would appear to a layman, to be legitimate US mint?

I'm confused what socialist means in the modern era? As far as my understanding goes the definition would be something like believes the government should take money away from "rich people" because of "reasons".

When Bernie Sanders says he's a socialist what does he mean by that other than he's an idiot who's disregarded the entirety of 20th century history?

albrecht

Quote from: VoteQuimby on February 02, 2016, 08:00:18 PM
I'm confused what socialist means in the modern era? As far as my understanding goes the definition would be something like believes the government should take money away from "rich people" because of "reasons".
Who knows? I'm guessing an open-border (one-way only and usually in one-direction of low-wage/low-educated--->,) take from the 'rich' (not- the super-rich, who will simply administer the redistribution and ensure 'fairness' for the rest of us,) and lots of regulation to primarily harm small and mid-size businesses, rural and suburban areas, or homogeneous areas. And, maybe the only historical basis, is their assault on 'traditional;' - the 'normal', or historical institutions/relationships, etc because that undermines the State for control. The traditional family, small or mid-size businesses, local control of schools or zoning, individual sovereignty, etc are anathema. Ultimately- do they want the later utopia promised by historical dialectical progress from socialism to communism? I doubt it. (At least as the actual everyone equal type of thing, I think they wouldn't mind the static situation in which a number of elites adminster the justice, redistribution, and continue to enjoy their dachas, 'lolita flights and islands', lavish global warming summit dinners, and private, vast, gated compounds, estates, and houses.

Quote from: the_Stranger on February 01, 2016, 10:53:03 PM
Poor Fuckabee. :'(
But looking at the bright side, at least Grifting Season never ends.
Super Sized bag of shit for the former Arkansas Governor.

Don't worry.  That shifty little piggy will land on his trotters and keep on bringing the bacon home to his wife who looks like him in drag.  He's shrewd enough to calculate that even though his campaign was doomed from the start, it kept him in the public eye and he has enough followers to parlay that into juicy consulting and personal appearance fees. 

Lt.Uhura

After hearing the speeches from the Republican candidates last night I thought Rubio sounded the most "presidential".  I think when push comes to shove voters will choose sure and steady over controversial (Trump) and confrontational (Cruz).  The GOP still represents a fading demographic in America--conservative white males.  The only way they can beat the Democratic candidate is to broaden their appeal to a younger, more diverse American public.  This is not going to happen with fringe candidates like Trump and Cruz.

the_Stranger

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on February 02, 2016, 08:26:04 PM
Don't worry.  That shifty little piggy will land on his trotters and keep on bringing the bacon home to his wife who looks like him in drag.  He's shrewd enough to calculate that even though his campaign was doomed from the start, it kept him in the public eye and he has enough followers to parlay that into juicy consulting and personal appearance fees.

Same as it ever was.
And I don't guess I have ever paid attention to his wife, but that's a very astute assessment.
I have heard that spouses eventually look like one another.

Jackstar

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on February 02, 2016, 08:51:02 PM
fringe candidates like Trump

"Ronald Reagan--the cowboy actor? What a joke!"


Quoteand Cruz.

Yeah, no argument.

Jackstar

Quote from: FightTheFuture on February 02, 2016, 12:26:58 AM
a very close contact of mine within the Bureau, who has assured me,

that the guy they shot in Oregon was totally indictable.

:rolleyes:

Saying you have a source within the Fibbies that isn't Fox Mulder doesn't really carry a lot of weight, yo. Ask your source who killed Kennedy and get back to us with popcorn. Chop, chop.

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: Jackstar on February 02, 2016, 09:15:44 PM
"Ronald Reagan--the cowboy actor?
What a joke!"

Unlike Trump, Ronnie was already a career politician when he ran for president. 

And--conservative white males were once plentiful, lol

chefist

Quote from: Jackstar on February 02, 2016, 09:15:44 PM
"Ronald Reagan--the cowboy actor? What a joke!"


Yeah, no argument.


Stack him up against Blow Job Clinton? What's your point?

In short...not 20 pages of threads please..;-)

Quote from: the_Stranger on February 02, 2016, 09:07:08 PM
I don't guess I have ever paid attention to his wife, but that's a very astute assessment.
I have heard that spouses eventually look like one another.

I just happened to notice the resemblance a few years ago and haven't been able to unsee it, unfortunately.   :o

Here's one of their wedding pictures in case you were wondering.  They were actually a nice looking young couple.  She appears to have aged naturally, but he's really let himself go. It's a shame, because he was a handsome goomer in his day.

Jackstar

There are many reasons why Trump may not win the Presidency--"it could never happen" is certainly not one of them.

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on February 02, 2016, 09:25:13 PM
Unlike Trump, Ronnie was already a career politician when he ran for president. 

This means nothing. People didn't vote for Reagan because he was a career politician who paid his dues to the establishment--they voted for him because they loved him and chose to buy into his image. How about Jimmy Carter? Was he a "career politician"?

Well, I guess so, but most people at the time knew little to nothing about his ties to the Trilateral Commission-it was all, "A peanut farmer? What a joke!"

I was only 3 when Carter was running, so I don't remember how it was then first-hand, but I was seven when Reagan was running. I remember what it was like, when many were wrong. Little has changed today. (Yes, I watched the news when I was seven; fuck you.)

I don't get this fucking disconnect where you fucking yokels live on this planet in this society, look at the facts of history in the 20th century, and think, "oh, someone could never win an election unless they're a career politician." It has happened repeatedly.

Once again--there are several valid reasons to doubt the likelihood of a Trump presidency. Imagining that the "common sense" segment of the electorate are going to suddenly rise up off their fat, ignorant asses and toddle off to the polls to "do the right thing" is a fucking fantasy, and you prognosticators promulgating it ought to be ashamed.


albrecht

Quote from: the_Stranger on February 02, 2016, 09:07:08 PM
Same as it ever was.

I have heard that spouses eventually look like one another.
And people that look like their pets. Ha.
Or this gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdA05KkXeBU

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: Jackstar on February 02, 2016, 09:50:15 PM
There are many reasons why Trump may not win the Presidency--"it could never happen" is certainly not one of them...

Once again--there are several valid reasons to doubt the likelihood of a Trump presidency. Imagining that the "common sense" segment of the electorate are going to suddenly rise up off their fat, ignorant asses and toddle off to the polls to "do the right thing" is a fucking fantasy, and you prognosticators promulgating it ought to be ashamed.

I work in an Emergency Room, and my sense of reality may indeed be skewed.  Every day I see what appears to be growing numbers of mentally disturbed, disordered, and/or addicted people living on the fringes of society.  Mental stability and common sense happen to be at the top of my list for qualities I look for in a presidential candidate.

albrecht

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on February 02, 2016, 10:43:07 PM
I work in an Emergency Room, and my sense of reality may indeed be skewed.  Every day I see what appears to be growing numbers of mentally disturbed, disordered, and/or addicted people living on the fringes of society.  Mental stability and common sense happen to be at the top of my list for qualities I look for in a presidential candidate.
But if you support democracy? Maybe it is only right that our representatives are so corrupt, drug and alcohol addled, narcissistic, deluded, disordered, perverted, or unstable? It might be a very progressive policy, and in keeping with a 'jury of one's peers,' if only junkies served on certain juries, for example.  ;)

Jackstar

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on February 02, 2016, 10:43:07 PM
Mental stability and common sense happen to be at the top of my list for qualities I look for in a presidential candidate.

The facts are these: Trump has a shitload of money and is perceived as not being a career politician. To the newly semi-literate, these qualities are viewed as strengths.

When was the last election won by mental stability and common sense? Has that ever won? Maybe in Greece.


Quote from: Lt.Uhura on February 02, 2016, 10:43:07 PM
I work in an Emergency Room, and my sense of reality may indeed be skewed.

Thank you for your service. How much do you charge for aspirin?

Lt.Uhura

Quote from: albrecht on February 02, 2016, 10:50:55 PM
But if you support democracy? Maybe it is only right that our representatives are so corrupt, drug and alcohol addled, narcissistic, deluded, disordered, perverted, or unstable? It might be a very progressive policy, and in keeping with a 'jury of one's peers,' if only junkies served on certain juries, for example.  ;)

Haha, maybe you're right.  And a Trump or Cruz presidency would represent the patients taking over the asylum.

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