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Removal of the Confederate Flag

Started by 11angeleyes11, June 27, 2015, 11:52:07 AM

Quote from: ItsOver on June 30, 2015, 09:51:07 AM
Why not just go with the Bonnie Blue?  It worked at Ft. Sumter and for the Republic of West Florida.  Since it isn't a "rainbow" flag, most of the morons wouldn't know what it was.




The BB is classic.  Symbolism 101.

WildCard

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 29, 2015, 07:45:39 PM
My point was that the battle flag of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s Army of Northern Virginia (Stars and bars - also incorrectly called the Confederate Flag) never flew over ANY State property until desegregation was passed, and was done so as a giant middle finger to blacks and the SCOTUS.


Holy shit. I take back everything I said.


"Stars and bars, because Swastikas are gauche."

Quick Karl

I'm going with this one and I am looking into having bumper stickers made.



I like 21st Century Man's sentiments -- I don't like to be told what I can and cannot do (or think) by (elite, intellectually superior, science-based, liberal assholes) (or) the Federal government.  I'm likely to rebel if they push the issue. It's a giant fuck you to (elite, intellectually superior, science-based, liberal assholes) (and) an overreaching Federal leviathan.

Some the greatest soldiers this country, or any country, has ever produced, fought under that flag. They had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. they were fighting to defend their homeland from the North.

Quick Karl

Quote from: FightTheFuture on June 30, 2015, 11:31:21 AM
Some the greatest soldiers this country, or any country, has ever produced, fought under that flag. They had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. they were fighting to defend their homeland from the North.

I do believe that, but, they lost the war, and because of that, I believe that flag should not be flown on government (governing body) properties.

Conversely, in light of the hysterics and attempt to crush free speech on the part of elite, intellectually superior, science-based, liberal assholes, I am thinking about buying one for my very own!

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 30, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
I'm going with this one and I am looking into having bumper stickers made.



I like 21st Century Man's sentiments -- I don't like to be told what I can and cannot do (or think) by (elite, intellectually superior, science-based, liberal assholes) (or) the Federal government.  I'm likely to rebel if they push the issue. It's a giant fuck you to (elite, intellectually superior, science-based, liberal assholes) (and) an overreaching Federal leviathan.

Well-stated except I don't mind scientists as long as their science is sound.  Unfortunately, a lot of so-called science is unsound today.  It doesn't do any good when their self-appointed spokesmen are leftist irrational shills like Bill Nye.  I love the modification you made, Karl.

paladin1991

Quote from: Quick Karl on June 30, 2015, 09:46:03 AM
Nah, it would be getting "too busy" then... I think the symbol of the cross is enough to convey my sentiments to the elite, intellectually superior, science-based, liberal assholes that have destroyed this country.

Wouldn't you agree?  ;D ;D ;D

*slurps coffee, checks watch, too early for Scotch.....*

Yeah.

paladin1991

Quote from: FightTheFuture on June 30, 2015, 11:31:21 AM
Some the greatest soldiers this country, or any country, has ever produced, fought under that flag. They had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. they were fighting to defend their homeland from the North.
I believe this.  Just as my wife's family members fought for Germany in the 1940's, not for any political system.   Same as my bro's and sisters today still fight.  The warrior is always a disposable commodity for a parasitical political system and the population of sheep that they suck dry. 


henge0stone

Quote from: C A M on June 29, 2015, 04:02:36 PM
I wasn't going to say anything, but that's twice you've mentioned this. Read 11angeleyes11's opening post again - or for the first time, if you only scanned it.

The Eclectic Muse was not limiting its comments to flag removal over a federal structure.

I think many of us were bitching about "potential," good or bad, in the media and knee jerk reactionary group think by people and by politically correct corporations turning it into a blown out of proportion campaign.

(Though I am not convinced Walmart is suffering from knee jerk-itis. Theirs is probably a very calculated shading.)



The original post has no bearing on people here discussing that they want to buy and fly the flag now just because its banned. It's not banned, that's the simply truth. you can talk all you want about what might happen but half of the posts here seem to be misinformed and have stated that the flag is banned as if its a fact.

Even the most liberal tree hugging state still lets people fly the flag
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/26/government-salesofconfederateflagbanned.html

"However, other lawmakers argued that the legislation does not violate free-speech rights because it only applies to formal actions of government officials and agencies. Moreover, the law allows for the flag to be used for historical or educational purposes and does not apply to people on state property."

This is the most extreme law to come about through this frenzy and its still basically just banning a rebel flag from government use.

Quick Karl

Quote from: henge0stone on June 30, 2015, 06:37:54 PM
The original post has no bearing on people here discussing that they want to buy and fly the flag now just because its banned. It's not banned, that's the simply truth. you can talk all you want about what might happen but half of the posts here seem to be misinformed and have stated that the flag is banned as if its a fact.

Even the most liberal tree hugging state still lets people fly the flag
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/26/government-salesofconfederateflagbanned.html

"However, other lawmakers argued that the legislation does not violate free-speech rights because it only applies to formal actions of government officials and agencies. Moreover, the law allows for the flag to be used for historical or educational purposes and does not apply to people on state property."

This is the most extreme law to come about through this frenzy and its still basically just banning a rebel flag from government use.

Like everything the left does, it is a liberal knee-jerk reaction designed to do one thing - APPEAR to care about some special interest to GRASP POWER.

Quick Karl

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 30, 2015, 01:27:34 PM
I love the modification you made, Karl.

Thank you - I am looking into having screen-printed vinyl bumper stickers made. They're a little spendy but I want stickers that will last a good long time.

11angeleyes11

My blood pressure is up today.  I logged into my homepage and I saw Bubba Watson saying he is going to paint over the Confederate Flag on his car.  He is standing there with a can of spray paint.  This literally makes me ill.

I watch some Nascar, but I am not a weekend fan.  To see the extremist actions inflicted by different segments of our society by this action upsets me.  This includes the removal of the Dukes of Hazard from TVLand.  I was going to call TVLand today to voice my complaints, but they are not open due to the Fourth of July holiday.  I did not realize that TVLand was a subsidiary of Viacom.

Since I last posted I have read that a security letter had been sent out from the Federal government about the removal of the Confederate flag to major corporations and businesses.  That is what is driving a lot of this.  I think there may be even be sanctions against them if this is not done.  To me, this smells of pre-holocaust Germany and socialism.  If you do this for flags and are successful, are our guns the next step?

Going to guns, they do not have to come to the doors to remove them, they can use the actions of a security letter sent to all of the corporations and businesses. They would simply stop selling them to consumers, and also the ammo would not be sold.  Case closed. 
Is this a trial run?  And, I am even a gun toter or a rebel redneck, and this is making this rise in me.

Quick Karl

Quote from: 11angeleyes11 on July 03, 2015, 10:58:02 AM
Going to guns, they do not have to come to the doors to remove them, they can use the actions of a security letter sent to all of the corporations and businesses. They would simply stop selling them to consumers, and also the ammo would not be sold.  Case closed.
 
Is this a trial run?  And, I am even a gun toter or a rebel redneck, and this is making this rise in me.

There will be a real Revolution in this country -- not everyone, and not every business, will just cave like they were elite, intellectually superior, science-based, liberal sheep...




albrecht

Quote from: 11angeleyes11 on July 03, 2015, 10:58:02 AM
My blood pressure is up today.  I logged into my homepage and I saw Bubba Watson saying he is going to paint over the Confederate Flag on his car.  He is standing there with a can of spray paint.  This literally makes me ill.

I watch some Nascar, but I am not a weekend fan.  To see the extremist actions inflicted by different segments of our society by this action upsets me.  This includes the removal of the Dukes of Hazard from TVLand.  I was going to call TVLand today to voice my complaints, but they are not open due to the Fourth of July holiday.  I did not realize that TVLand was a subsidiary of Viacom.

Since I last posted I have read that a security letter had been sent out from the Federal government about the removal of the Confederate flag to major corporations and businesses.  That is what is driving a lot of this.  I think there may be even be sanctions against them if this is not done.  To me, this smells of pre-holocaust Germany and socialism.  If you do this for flags and are successful, are our guns the next step?

Going to guns, they do not have to come to the doors to remove them, they can use the actions of a security letter sent to all of the corporations and businesses. They would simply stop selling them to consumers, and also the ammo would not be sold.  Case closed. 
Is this a trial run?  And, I am even a gun toter or a rebel redneck, and this is making this rise in me.
Joe Rogan had some great comments:
"
Say goodbye to The General Lee. Today TV Land announced that they’re pulling the Dukes Of Hazzard off the air because of the confederate flag. In a tireless effort to turn our beloved country into a nation of weepy, sandy vaginas, they’ve shoved a politically correct boot into the memories of my childhood.
The Dukes Of Hazzard was about a lot more than just that sh*tty paint job on one of the most beautiful muscle cars the good lord ever inspired man to create; it was about tradition. That show started the tradition of the most iconic piece of clothing our nation ever produced; The Daisy Duke shorts. Those shorts were the real flag â€" a flag of identification and empowerment for gay men and sluts all over the world. Before The Dukes there really wasn’t any one piece of clothing that let the world know that you’re hungry for dick.
Congratulations, to the toxic lefties all over this increasingly nerfed world â€" today victory is yours."


albrecht

Quote from: 11angeleyes11 on July 03, 2015, 10:58:02 AM


Since I last posted I have read that a security letter had been sent out from the Federal government about the removal of the Confederate flag to major corporations and businesses.  That is what is driving a lot of this.  I think there may be even be sanctions against them if this is not done.  To me, this smells of pre-holocaust Germany and socialism.  If you do this for flags and are successful, are our guns the next step?

Going to guns, they do not have to come to the doors to remove them, they can use the actions of a security letter sent to all of the corporations and businesses. They would simply stop selling them to consumers, and also the ammo would not be sold.  Case closed. 
Is this a trial run?  And, I am even a gun toter or a rebel redneck, and this is making this rise in me.
It would not surprise me one bit if Obama tried any of those tactics. His minion Holder did the latter on a small scale to some businesses but I could see a broader front, especially by Obama. I think Facebook and other online places already ban speaking about the 2nd Amendment and under Obamatrade, if the super-secret treaty passes, he (or some unelected international body) could enact some gun control measures or bans. You will notice that flags, such as the Mexican flag, is proudly flown and acknowledged by the media, the President, businesses, etc. We fought again them also. And they are invading us now, yet he celebrates that flag.

Unfortunately, the majority will never stand up to Obama or others of his ilk. And we have learned that voting doesn't matter because the Executive Branch or some Court can just overturn any law whenever they see fit, it seems.

Happy 4th of July! Maybe the last year you will be allowed to fly an American flag if people like Obama have their way, they already have banned it in some schools lest we offend illegals.

onan

 I doubt there's any ban on speaking about the Second Amendment. Two of the gun stores I frequent, use Facebook as there main advertising tool.


Upon looking there is a second amendment Facebook page with one and three-quarter million likes.

11angeleyes11

Quote from: onan on July 03, 2015, 11:49:51 AM
I doubt there's any ban on speaking about the Second Amendment. Two of the gun stores I frequent, use Facebook as there main advertising tool.


Upon looking there is a second amendment Facebook page with one and three-quarter million likes.

There is no ban on the second amendment discussion.  I agree with you.  My post meant if they keep this path up that they might or could do this.  Look at how easy and quick the Confederate flag removal was shoved through or up depending on how you think of things.

I just don't know what to expect next.  These last two weeks have just left me in a reality whirl of where will they go?

paladin1991

Quote from: Quick Karl on July 03, 2015, 11:03:40 AM
There will be a real Revolution in this country -- not everyone, and not every business, will just cave like they were elite, intellectually superior, science-based, liberal sheep...



Don't make the old men angry.  We still remember what it is all about.

paladin1991

Quote from: onan on July 03, 2015, 11:49:51 AM
I doubt there's any ban on speaking about the Second Amendment. Two of the gun stores I frequent, use Facebook as there main advertising tool.


Upon looking there is a second amendment Facebook page with one and three-quarter million likes.
Which pistol do you favor for your every day carry?


onan

Quote from: paladin1991 on July 03, 2015, 12:23:53 PM
Which pistol do you favor for your every day carry?


I carry a sig 938, in my car I have a sig 1911.

paladin1991

Ruger GP 100.  My first duty piece.  A bit bulky though.  When out amongst the gentle lambs of the People's Republic of California, I carry a Glock 22.  Flat profile in the small of back.  No printing.

chefist

Quote from: paladin1991 on July 03, 2015, 12:26:52 PM
Ruger GP 100.  My first duty piece.  A bit bulky though.  When out amongst the gentle lambs of the People's Republic of California, I carry a Glock 22.  Flat profile in the small of back.  No printing.
The 22 is a good choice...

onan

I really like Ruger Revolvers. I will be looking into getting one... Maybe this weekend.

paladin1991

Quote from: onan on July 03, 2015, 12:30:35 PM
I really like Ruger Revolvers. I will be looking into getting one... Maybe this weekend.

I know what you mean.  After I was off probation I went and got myself a Glock and a ParaOrdance.  Both very decent tools.  Having to pull the piece on multiple suspects, I recognized something.  Everybody has an auto.  So thugs are unimpressed.

I remembered back to the first time I drew down on a suspect with my revolver.  The look in his eyes as he saw the cylinder rotate and the bullet that was to be fired rolled into position.  That look, it was fear.   

With that knowledge, I carried the Ruger fm then on.

onan

Quote from: paladin1991 on July 03, 2015, 12:36:30 PM
I know what you mean.  After I was off probation I went and got myself a Glock and a ParaOrdance.  Both very decent tools.  Having to pull the piece on multiple suspects, I recognized something.  Everybody has an auto.  So thugs are unimpressed.

I remembered back to the first time I drew down on a suspect with my revolver.  The look in his eyes as he saw the cylinder rotate and the bullet that was to be fired rolled into position.  That look, it was fear.   

With that knowledge, I carried the Ruger fm then on.


I have crimson trace grips on my pistols. I have thought that makes the situation a bit more threatening.

paladin1991

Quote from: onan on July 03, 2015, 12:41:51 PM

I have crimson trace grips on my pistols. I have thought that makes the situation a bit more threatening.
Ooooh You are a dangerous man!

onan

Quote from: paladin1991 on July 03, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
Ooooh You are a dangerous man!
Lol, I spend a bunch on my hobbies. I get criticized for chasing the dot, but I get three to the chest in under 2 seconds.

Quick Karl

Quote from: paladin1991 on July 03, 2015, 12:23:53 PM
Which pistol do you favor for your every day carry?

HK USP Compact .45 ACP

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