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Started by henge0stone, January 07, 2017, 11:28:36 AM

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: K_Dubb on January 07, 2017, 07:29:38 PM
We can only hope his peace with Russia is as productive as Hitler's.

Huh?  ???

You're addicted to Hitlers! If it wasn't Putin it would just be someone else. Think about that the next time you pine for peace.  ;)

boxman

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 07, 2017, 11:43:47 AM
The Clintons haven't blamed Russia. The CIA and the Senate committee have though. Now, if you're okay with the Russians (or any other government) hacking any servers (not just the DNC) on the US territories, fine. But don't go crying to Trump when it happens and it severely distrupts things (company losses, water, electricity, oil plants outages) because he won't be hearing you. He will blame the meeja for being unpatriotic or whatever. He might even blame the US security agencies for making it all up.
What a load of bullshit. Not only did I lose count of how many times she mentioned Russia and hacking together, but the insane bitch also threatened to use military action against them due to the so called hacking.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on January 07, 2017, 06:47:58 PM
You bloody lot, going on about the Queen all the time when we know you're just jealous. Anyway, I'd rather have a Queen then be one, you pirouetting, pansy boy snowflake ponce!

Right. I keep forgetting you'd much rather sniff her all but mummified consort because you enjoy the heady bouquet of liniment, sour milk, and musty laundry hampers.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 07, 2017, 07:15:43 PM
Source?


I know your attention span won't stretch that far to watch it all, but one minute in will be enough 55.32 is also a good part.

https://youtu.be/9QboBeJKn2Q

BBC Panorama 2013 The Spies Who Fooled the World

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: boxman on January 07, 2017, 07:47:45 PM
What a load of bullshit. Not only did I lose count of how many times she mentioned Russia and hacking together, but the insane bitch also threatened to use military action against them due to the so called hacking.

But you are agreed that the CIA are making it all up and Trump is right, because he has a good brain? Oh and he knows all about hacking?

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 07, 2017, 08:16:06 PM

I know your attention span won't stretch that far to watch it all, but one minute in will be enough 55.32 is also a good part.

https://youtu.be/9QboBeJKn2Q

BBC Panorama 2013 The Spies Who Fooled the World

You're just confirming that they SHOULDN'T be trusted. The part you wanted me to watch states that the organization had become ideologically controlled and that only bad intel that fit into this made it's way to the top and very good intel that didn't fit the ideology didn't. And you think we should just implicitly trust the CIA?! 

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 07, 2017, 08:23:30 PM
You're just confirming that they SHOULDN'T be trusted. The part you wanted me to watch states that the organization had become ideologically controlled and that only bad intel that fit into this made it's way to the top and very good intel that didn't fit the ideology didn't. And you think we should just implicitly trust the CIA?!

If you watch it all, you'll hear that the German, the French, the UK and the US intelligence services told Bliar and Bush that the bloke was lying. But Powell actually did a press conference based on those lies to support the invasion of Iraq.

Jackstar

Quote from: TigerLily on January 07, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
What more would it take to make you trust our own intelligence agencies in this matter?

Releasing all (all) the files on the JFK assassination.


Quote from: TigerLily on January 07, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
Who generalizes the entire free press as "dishonest" and liars.

Wow, you must be serious--you remembered to use a period.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on January 07, 2017, 06:30:10 PM

A cucumber sandwich should be so thin you can see through it, and so light that it might flutter away in a strong breeze.

That perfectly describes just about every male Brit I've ever met.

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 07, 2017, 08:18:32 PM
But you are agreed that the CIA are making it all up and Trump is right, because he has a good brain? Oh and he knows all about hacking?
We hack, they hack, hack there, hack here, everywhere a hack hack. Several of the real issues are:
1) why did Hillary, the DNC, Podesta have such bad security? Use illegal servers and unauthorized equipment (including a device that was also used to sext underage girls?)
2) why did Hillary click on what to anyone with sense is an obvious phishing attack? And why did the FBI's report redact what kind of porn was promised if she clicked the link?
3) why did the DNC refuse to cooperate, or improve their security, when the FBI warned them about hacks and potential hacks?
4) why is the content of the hacks not discussed more than the 'who did it?'
5) what else was hacked but we aren't aware of it (RNC, Trump, DOJ, Military, etc we know the government is pretty bad about allowing hacks. I still get letters from the OPM due to a major hack.)
6) why is the press ignoring that many of the emails were not a result of hacks/leaks but put out by the US government per Congressional inquiries, FOIA lawsuits, and DOJ investigations?

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 07, 2017, 08:27:31 PM
If you watch it all, you'll hear that the German, the French, the UK and the US intelligence services told Bliar and Bush that the bloke was lying. But Powell actually did a press conference based on those lies to support the invasion of Iraq.

Instead of standing behind that intel the head of the CIA just retired and let the false intel ride. How does this suggests that they're trustworthy?!


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Jackstar on January 07, 2017, 08:30:11 PM
Releasing all (all) the files on the JFK assassination.


Including why you keep revisiting Houston and Elm every month!

Jackstar

Quote from: albrecht on January 07, 2017, 08:30:38 PM
6) why is the press ignoring that many of the emails were not a result of hacks/leaks but put out by the US government per Congressional inquiries, FOIA lawsuits, and DOJ investigations?


I'll take this one:

Quote from: Jackstar on January 05, 2017, 08:49:06 PM
The only reason this "Russia hax" narrative is being pushed is so that they can then later say, "Whew! That proves all that #spiritcooking was made up out of whole Russkie cloth!!!"


Frankly, I can't believe anyone worth saving is falling for this bullshit. Obvious psyop is obvious.


You're welcome.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on January 07, 2017, 08:30:38 PM
We hack, they hack, hack there, hack here, everywhere a hack hack. Several of the real issues are:
1) why did Hillary, the DNC, Podesta have such bad security? Use illegal servers and unauthorized equipment (including a device that was also used to sext underage girls?)
2) why did Hillary click on what to anyone with sense is an obvious phishing attack? And why did the FBI's report redact what kind of porn was promised if she clicked the link?
3) why did the DNC refuse to cooperate, or improve their security, when the FBI warned them about hacks and potential hacks?
4) why is the content of the hacks not discussed more than the 'who did it?'
5) what else was hacked but we aren't aware of it (RNC, Trump, DOJ, Military, etc we know the government is pretty bad about allowing hacks. I still get letters from the OPM due to a major hack.)
6) why is the press ignoring that many of the emails were not a result of hacks/leaks but put out by the US government per Congressional inquiries, FOIA lawsuits, and DOJ investigations?

I hate to pop your bubble, bu the issue is that the US security services have stated that the Russians have broken into not just the DNC and Clinton, but tried to make the election go in the way of Trump, which is what happened.

What is also at issue is if Trump sides with the CIA et al, or Assange and Putin; Which is it? Trump has pretty much trashed the CIA, although his handlers probably advised him to say he was a fan after all.

If you were in the US security services, what confidence would you have that the next POTUS had your best interests at heart?


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 07, 2017, 08:32:05 PM
Instead of standing behind that intel the head of the CIA just retired and let the false intel ride. How does this suggests that they're trustworthy?!

Go ahead, you go with Assange, Putin, Manchild and any and all CT websites. Let us know how that goes, okay?

Quote from: SredniVashtar on January 07, 2017, 06:30:10 PM
I don't think they are going to let you anywhere near a paintbrush in that assisted living establishment of yours. You probably don't like anything anyway, unless it's another Matlock marathon, or you get a chance to throw something at a few passing schoolkids. The word 'nil' comes from the Latin for 'nothing'. Not that I'd expect you to know anything about languages, ancient or modern, you unlettered ignoramus.

A cucumber sandwich should be so thin you can see through it, and so light that it might flutter away in a strong breeze. Which means no crusts. I know this is hard to understand for someone whose idea of a fine dining experience is Wings Wednesday at One-Eyed Willie's Chicken Shack.

One-Eyed Willie's Chicken Shack is NOT a place of dining..... unless ya got a thing for some of the oldest strippers on the planet.  ;D

K_Dubb

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 07, 2017, 07:36:19 PM
Huh?  ???

You're addicted to Hitlers! If it wasn't Putin it would just be someone else. Think about that the next time you pine for peace.  ;)

Hitler at least got something for his detente -- half of Poland.  What do you want in exchange for Putin making nicey nicey?

You guys who watch a couple hours of RT and want to make up because of a shared Christian heritage or some nonsense can suck the paint off a barn.


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 07, 2017, 08:40:27 PM
I hate to pop your bubble, bu the issue is that the US security services have stated that the Russians have broken into not just the DNC and Clinton, but tried to make the election go in the way of Trump, which is what happened.

What is also at issue is if Trump sides with the CIA et al, or Assange and Putin; Which is it? Trump has pretty much trashed the CIA, although his handlers probably advised him to say he was a fan after all.

If you were in the US security services, what confidence would you have that the next POTUS had your best interests at heart?

Jesus! Why don't you guys just say he's in league with the Devil?  ::)

So, enlighten us as to just how Putin hacked into the election to make Trump win?  ???

I voted for Trump and really don't remember any pressure to do so from Putin or Russia.  :D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: K_Dubb on January 07, 2017, 08:43:19 PM
Hitler at least got something for his detente -- half of Poland.  What do you want in exchange for Putin making nicey nicey?

You guys who watch a couple hours of RT and want to make up because of a shared Christian heritage or some nonsense can suck the paint of a barn.

So, you're British too?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Lt.Uhura on January 07, 2017, 06:05:09 PM
Isn't Googling fun!  ;D

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/donald-trump-russia-vladimir-putin

The first comment.
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Why no mention of Trump's dependence on Russian money for his own investments. Following his numerous bankruptcies, the only western bank that will lend to Trump is Germany's Deutschebank, which itself has been cited repeatedly for money-laundering of Russian funds to avoid sanctions. The remainder of Trump's business financing has come from Rusian sources for years.

Given Trump's past business lack of succcess, it is now likely that Trump is indebted to Russsian interests the same as Trump was to Wall Street. That is why Trump could never release his tax returns. The difference is that those Russian interests do not accept bankruptcy as a solution, so Trump will have to provide them with "alternative payment".


And the caption to the photograph:

Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, at podium, and President-elect Donald Trump, left, at campaign event in September. Flynn, Trump’s pick to be national security adviser, has been criticized for his paid speaking engagements for RT, the Kremlin’s propaganda channel.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 07, 2017, 08:41:51 PM
Go ahead, you go with Assange, Putin, Manchild and any and all CT websites. Let us know how that goes, okay?

The CIA has been running this country for my whole life. I think we can do better than to be what the former USSR was like.  ;)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 07, 2017, 08:44:01 PM
Jesus! Why don't you guys just say he's in league with the Devil?  ::)

So, enlighten us as to just how Putin hacked into the election to make Trump win?  ???

I voted for Trump and really don't remember any pressure to do so from Putin or Russia.  :D

It will likely be revealed on monday, oh, by your CIA. Unless you prefer the SVR RF to tell you instead?

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 07, 2017, 08:49:05 PM
It will likely be revealed on monday, oh, by your CIA. Unless you prefer the SVR RF to tell you instead?

Yeah, I know. They needed the extra time to get the narrative just right.  Sorry, bu most of us see through this psyop bullshit ;)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 07, 2017, 08:47:55 PM
The CIA has been running this country for my whole life. I think we can do better than to be what the former USSR was like.  ;)

They have? So they told you to vote for Trump then?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on January 07, 2017, 08:50:48 PM
Yeah, I know. They needed the extra time to get the narrative just right.  Sorry, bu most of us see through this psyop bullshit ;)


Sure, if you get your news from RT and Infowars! LOL Specifically the 'Black ops commander' Oh that's a great one that.  ;D ;D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 07, 2017, 08:51:12 PM
They have? So they told you to vote for Trump then?

No, you just said the Russian got him elected and that, apparently, my vote didn't count. Are you changing the narrative now?  ???

Jackstar

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on January 07, 2017, 08:46:40 PM
criticized for his paid speaking engagements


For fun, I googled "criticized for her paid speaking engagements" and instantly got 719k results about Shillary.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-22/heres-who-paid-hillary-clinton-22-million-in-speaking-fees

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/22/hillary-no-regrets-about-giant-wall-street-speaking-fees-video/


Note that a discerning reader will not even have to click on my links to get my point--just read the URL.



Why are his paid speaking engagements so much worse than her paid speaking engagements? Be specific. Do it now.

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