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Re: George Noory Sucks! - The Definitive Compendium
« Reply #84150 on: November 16, 2017, 12:52:54 PM »
Hi. Just heard the entire interview, you did a good job.

Hehe... John said that he was pulling in 1.2 million listeners on Saturday night when he was still host of C2C.  More listeners than the whole week combined (the ones Noory hosted) during that period. He said that made some people upset... hmm, i wonder who.

John is correct, the guy was pulling huge numbers that the company hasn't seen in years. I'm pretty sure there was jealousy as there is in every business, it's a shame really. I stopped completely listening to c2c awhile back.

Thank you for the compliment and if you are interested.... here is some John Lear for you



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« Reply #84151 on: November 16, 2017, 01:07:26 PM »
Every time I see that John Lennon poster hanging in George's office, I wonder if he even knows who it is

C'mon PB, that's clearly Pat Boone.  :D

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« Reply #84152 on: November 16, 2017, 01:23:43 PM »
Joorch in fine Mr Magoo form last night, attempting to recount the story of the Cali shooter.
He described the gunman as 'shooting seven locations', added that the body of his wife was found 'in the floorboards' before concluding that her death 'may have been spurred the rest of the onslaught'.

And meanders onwards like nothing happened. How does it fail to register, when your job is communicating directly with your audience, that you have just been talking nonsensical gibberish?

-GNS
Only Norry can turn an awful crime into a laughing matter. I couldn't help but laugh when I heard him attempt to explain the story. "In the floorboards" was the best part. And his weird way of making nicknames (or, conversely, using the full name if the caller introduces himself by a nickname) is so bizarre. Another things about Norry is that he wants the show to be all about him. You will notice if there is an interesting guest or caller telling an interesting story or anecdote Norry will quickly cut-off and interject some inane question or some retold personal anecdote or something he pulled up on wikipedia.

I was listening to Clyde the other night and it struck me how he lets his guests or callers finish their thoughts, especially if they are sincere and not a troll caller or someone trying to score some political point.


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« Reply #84153 on: November 16, 2017, 01:25:27 PM »
C'mon PB, that's clearly Pat Boone.  :D

All jokes aside, Shay, everyone knows he was the lead singer for the Rolling Stones and he wrote that great song about love and peace from the 60s that we all love and remember Let's Spend The Night Together  :D


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« Reply #84154 on: November 16, 2017, 01:36:17 PM »
All jokes aside, Shay, everyone knows he was the lead singer for the Rolling Stones and he wrote that great song about love and peace from the 60s that we all love and remember Let's Spend The Night Together  :D

"That's true.  How 'bout that Yoyo Okano. Is she still around?"

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« Reply #84155 on: November 16, 2017, 02:03:16 PM »
All jokes aside, Shay, everyone knows he was the lead singer for the Rolling Stones and he wrote that great song about love and peace from the 60s that we all love and remember Let's Spend The Night Together  :D

That's right...Mick Jagger.  :D


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« Reply #84156 on: November 16, 2017, 02:03:43 PM »

"That's true.  How 'bout that Yoyo Okano. Is she still around?"

LOL!  ;D

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« Reply #84157 on: November 16, 2017, 02:48:22 PM »
Only Norry can turn an awful crime into a laughing matter. I couldn't help but laugh when I heard him attempt to explain the story. "In the floorboards" was the best part. And his weird way of making nicknames (or, conversely, using the full name if the caller introduces himself by a nickname) is so bizarre. Another things about Norry is that he wants the show to be all about him. You will notice if there is an interesting guest or caller telling an interesting story or anecdote Norry will quickly cut-off and interject some inane question or some retold personal anecdote or something he pulled up on wikipedia.

I was listening to Clyde the other night and it struck me how he lets his guests or callers finish their thoughts, especially if they are sincere and not a troll caller or someone trying to score some political point.

If the caller/guest is telling a highly intellectual story with big words, that will shut noory up for a good awhile.. or it will make him resort to 7-year-old type questions, something like "What color car do you drive?".

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« Reply #84158 on: November 16, 2017, 02:51:19 PM »
John is correct, the guy was pulling huge numbers that the company hasn't seen in years. I'm pretty sure there was jealousy as there is in every business, it's a shame really. I stopped completely listening to c2c awhile back.

Thank you for the compliment and if you are interested.... here is some John Lear for you



Is John Lear the guy Noory set up a gofundme page so he can buy an air-conditioner?

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« Reply #84159 on: November 16, 2017, 04:59:19 PM »
THREAD CHECK.

Nobody move. Everybody just stay frosty.

*looks around*

Yep.  Just as I thought.  Suckage and more suckage.

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« Reply #84160 on: November 16, 2017, 05:00:10 PM »
I'll do a nickname for Norry, just like he does all of his callers.  He must perceive that it makes him up close and personal, or just a good ole friendly guy.

"Ello, Norrino, Sucktavius"  "What about those Phoenix lights, NorSuck?"

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« Reply #84161 on: November 16, 2017, 05:00:37 PM »
Is John Lear the guy Noory set up a gofundme page so he can buy an air-conditioner?










You may in fact be correct

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« Reply #84162 on: November 16, 2017, 05:01:45 PM »
THREAD CHECK.

Nobody move. Everybody just stay frosty.

*looks around*

Yep.  Just as I thought.  Suckage and more suckage.

Got your rainboots on?  Slosh!  Slosh!  Slosh!  It can be very hard to walk.  Or, if not in your waders, the vaccuum will take you down.

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« Reply #84163 on: November 16, 2017, 07:15:20 PM »









You may in fact be correct
Yes.  He had a surplus. I asked him for some.

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« Reply #84164 on: November 16, 2017, 07:19:08 PM »
I found this nugget in the show notes that i meant to post last week but forgot to. I also heard Wallach spew this crap on 11/8 show:

"When it comes to the problem of scoliosis (curvature of the spine), one of the techniques he's (Wallach) found to be helpful is to hang people upside down on inversion tables."

That's right. Wallach and one of his many miracle cures. Let's just get rid of the medical specialties of Neuro-Surgery and Spine Specialist. They're no longer needed... Just ask "Doc" Wallet!

He even stated that those who elect surgery to correct their spinal condition, that that's akin to medieval torture because they "stick rods in your back" that make people scream. Hmm.. I wonder if he's ever heard of anesthesia before and during surgery?
I know a guy whose had fused vertebra.  He had a terrible time afterward.  To me, fusing vertebrae sounds like fusing fingers.  No reason to do it.  Limited mobility for life.

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« Reply #84165 on: November 16, 2017, 07:25:37 PM »
Ah, yes.  And we must add the horrific turtle slamming, as well.  Has Whorch written... err, I mean, has somebody else written Whorch's biography, yet?  I sense a new book in the making, "Thuh Life and Times of Jorch Noory, Beeyond Beeleef!"


I know the turtle bit him.  Sad Story. 
About the hamster, did it die fast, or suffer?

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« Reply #84166 on: November 16, 2017, 07:27:03 PM »

I'm not entirely sure if he was tired, but that's some what his style. I understand, not everyone will enjoy what ONE brings to the table.

Ok, yeah I listened to a video and I see that is his style.  But sometimes late at night, the pauses between words got so long I was sure he was taking a hit and holding his breath!

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« Reply #84167 on: November 16, 2017, 07:37:01 PM »
After totally garbling the story of a mass-shooting on Tuesday, Jorch did a story about a Da Vinci painting going for $450 million at auction and stated "...if Da Vinci knew it would go for that much he probably would of painted a few more."

Noory thinks everything is about money and making as much money as possible. Because he has this mindset, he believes everyone, even great figures of history, also must of had this mindset. If someone were to tell Jorch not everything is about money, he would most likely give you a blank stare.

Here are a few of Jorch's money-scheming adventures:

1) Partners with criticalhealthnews, along with snake-oil salesman Wallach.

2) Paranormal date - A match dot com ripoff site where he charges people (I don't know how much but it's probably a lot) to talk to each other/ and or date - (you think he'd be bragging by now about success stories from the site, but i haven't heard one yet.)

3) Beyond belief - his Internet-only tv show where i'm sure he's paid a percentage of the subscriber fees.

4) His so-called "books" he's "written". None have been best-sellers, but I'm sure Jorch keeps crossing his fingers.

5) His event and lunch date appearances set up by Fatty Dumbheiser.

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« Reply #84168 on: November 16, 2017, 07:46:50 PM »


But know licensed medical providers have to operate under laws. Are you saying it's "OK" for George Noory to bring on paid sponsors, claim it's a "medical show" in which people call in and receive solid medical "recommendations"? Is that kind of nonsense what you are defending?

We are not here to argue whether licensed medical providers are right and wrong. We know of a certain overnight radio program that hosts guests that steer people away from doctors, act like a medical provider and then only recommend -- basically order -- such suckers to buy the unproven crap they sell at outrageous prices at that "criticalhealthnews(dot)com".

OK. Where is their legal responsibilities in that? Know that no disclaimers are aired that indicates the views of the host and the guests are for informational purposes only and not meant to replace consultation with a medical provider. Then, further, at daring to label callers as their "patients," sans ever seeing the person themselves, taking vital signs or drawing blood to be tested, sans any paperwork every licensed-medical provider requires...and you are OK with that? I'm not.

Again, the way those "alternative-health programs" are conducted should be scrutinized. If that's "news" or objective, editorial matter, I'm a monkey's uncle. Noory likes to brag about "the handful of emails he receives" for those who have been "helped," even though we never know whether they had a condition in the first place, but what about hearing from those who were lied to, cheated and maybe harmed? Not a word, huh?

I encourage people who suspect something shady going on to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission over "Coast To Coast AM" and its association with "criticalhealthnews(dot)com."
Noory likes to brag "people will burn" or how he stands for the light and truth, but he is one to be questioned himself. The guy is a known fake. The guy thinks just because he "says it," it must be true. Baloney. He is not a nice person. That's obvious. He cares nothing about the health and welfare of his listeners. He talks and he talks. That's all he does.

He is out to sell you a bill of goods. That's his mode of operation, using the argumentum ad hominem in response to anyone who sees through him and that program. If he really cared, he'd air proper disclaimers and even perhaps fully disclose any and all business ties with that "criticalhealthnews(dot)com" sponsor, or Youngevity International itself, or whether "anything of value" is being exchanged for such "news" programs aired under Premiere Networks.

Check the "Coast" Twitter feed. Are any such posts sponsored? In other words, are sponsors having "news" posts inserted alongside the program's "editorial matter?" Sans disclosure that such posts are from a paid sponsor? Are they. If so, that's a big no-no -- one that could weaken the program's First Amendment rights. Ask any capable mass-media attorneys. They'll tell you the same things I am.

You've heard it from Noory himself: "All we want to do is help one person." One person? Imagine any licensed medical provider who claimed that? Any hospital? Just one? Noory implies that even if one thousand people seek out that snake-oil, and nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine get cheated, that's "OK" with him and his guests. Huh? Is that what you are defending? I hope not, in the name of proven medical science.
We are here to argue any point we see fit.  Doctors sign off on the Hippocratic Oath and every time they fail to prevent MSRAs (which they originate), every time they prescribe an unnecessary surgery, every time they are negligent on amputating the wrong limb (so both limbs end up coming off), and every time they let a patient die of an infection without telling them about the acid/alkaline diet or other therapies, they violate their Hippocratic Oath.  OATHS ARE EVERY BIT AS IMPORTANT AS LAWS.  IF THEY CAN'T SUPPORT THEIR OATH DUE TO RESTRICTIVE LAWS, THEY SHOULD NOT TAKE THE OATH.  THEY ARE FRAUDS BECAUSE THEIR OATH HAS BECOME A LIE.  THEY PROSTITUTE THEIR SERVICE OUT TO INSURANCE COMPANY DIRECTIVES, INSURANCE COMPANIES WHO HAVE NEVER EXAMINED THE PATIENT.

What do you think I am, a lawyer?  I'm just saying the things Doc Wallach says are true. 

And, there is room within the law to be more ethical.  Patients are payers, not prisoners.  If a patient wants expectorant or epsom salts while hospitalized, there is no law saying the patient can't have them.  But, the medical profession refuses to provide.  Creating unnecessary dependence on insurance-defined, outrageously expensive, substandard care. 

Hospitals are not prisons.  Hospitals have the duty to provide the level of care a patient needs, expects, and requests.  IT IS A HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION NOT TO GIVE A HOSPITAL PATIENT WITH A WRACKING COUGH, EXPECTORANT (OR OTHER OTC). 

What I am saying is that  the allopathic medical profession shirks its duties and allows patients to die not only through negligence, but because of bias and indoctrination.  There is no law a doctor can't prescribe an acid/alkaline alternating diet for a person with a bacterial infection.  But, doctors won't do it because it is not popular in their profession to do it.  So innocent victims die, of hospital-born diseases.

Did you know that hospital hand sanitizers don't kill E-Coli, but vinegar does.  So, be sure to wash your hands after touching anything at a hospital, because E-Coli could still be on them, and if your immune system is low because of a cold, a chronic condition, a disease, old age, debilitation, or any other reason, then your body might not be able to fight off the E-coli from the hospital restroom latch, because medical professionals are too indoctrinated and biased to simply wet a rag with vinegar periodically and wipe everything down.  If they did this, they might not have so many antibiotic-resistant infections, and might not have to shut down entire facilities to "sanitize them" after big outbreaks where innocent people die.

Innocent people die because medical professionals shirk common sense.  Doc Wallach, on the other hand, isn't killing anyone.  And he is helping many.

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« Reply #84169 on: November 16, 2017, 07:51:35 PM »
I know a guy whose had fused vertebra.  He had a terrible time afterward.  To me, fusing vertebrae sounds like fusing fingers.  No reason to do it.  Limited mobility for life.

Well, of course there are risks to any surgery depending on the type of surgery and how serious the condition is with any given person. A reason to do it is not to be in terrible pain (probably requiring lots of opioids or other pain-killers) for the rest of one's life.  Spinal fusion is a common procedure done hundreds of thousands of times in the U.S. each year.

It's a decision left to that person. Sometimes it's not an easy one. I am pointing out that one should not base it on quack wallach's "medical advice".

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« Reply #84170 on: November 16, 2017, 08:01:55 PM »
Well, of course there are risks to any surgery depending on the type of surgery and how serious the condition is with any given person. A reason to do it is not to be in terrible pain (probably requiring lots of opioids or other pain-killers) for the rest of one's life.  It's a decision left to that person. Sometimes it's not an easy one.
The patient did not face any risks that any other fuse patient doesn't face.  No unusual risks were present.  He was young and otherwise healthy.  Fusing vertebrae is simply barbaric, since vertebrae are MEANT to MOVE, rotating, bending, and twisting... all the time.  In this day and age of physical therapy and even deep tissue massage to teach the muscles to relax again, it is a disservice to recommend fusing vertebrae unless a person injuries are truly horrific, like from a car accident.

I know one patient who broke her shoulder.  During her time in a cast, she got carpal tunnel on her other side from over-using her other wrist (I really wonder what her husband was doing this whole time?  bon bons on the couch?)  Anyhow, she ended up having carpal tunnel surgery so now, over a year later, working full-time, she is still in horrible pain, and possibly becoming (it seems) addicted to painkillers, from having had two surgeries.  The fact is, there is a point under the arm, which when activated, reduces carpal tunnel syndrome.  But, doctors won't tell patients that, because doctors are biased (toward making money off surgery I guess).  Doctors push prescriptions and surgeries.

To further exemplify my point, this same woman has a car she just bought new, with less than 99.000 miles on it.  She trusts her dealer because he has always been honest.  Well, bingo for him, now he told her she needs a new $1800 AXEL and she fell for it.  Doctors are just like that.  Most people don't get a second opinion.  I have gotten 4 different opinions from 4 different medical professionals for the same condition!  Each recommendation was totally different than the other.  They tell you to do what will line their pockets. 

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« Reply #84171 on: November 16, 2017, 08:12:09 PM »
We are here to argue any point we see fit.  And, naturopathy saves lives and is not nonsense.  Allopathic medicine, on the other hand, kills people because of bias against naturopathy.

What do you think I am, a lawyer?  I'm just saying the things Doc Wallach says are true. 

What I am saying is that  the allopathic medical profession shirks its duties and allows patients to die not only through negligence, but because of bias and indoctrination.  There is no law a doctor can't prescribe an acid/alkaline alternating diet for a person with a bacterial infection.  But, doctors won't do it because it is not popular in their profession to do it.  So innocent victims die, of hospital-born diseases.

Did you know that hospital hand sanitizers don't kill E-Coli, but vinegar does.  So, be sure to wash your hands after touching anything at a hospital, because E-Coli could still be on them, and if your immune system is low because of a cold, a chronic condition, a disease, old age, debilitation, or any other reason, then your body might not be able to fight off the E-coli from the hospital restroom latch, because medical professionals are too indoctrinated and biased to simply wet a rag with vinegar periodically and wipe everything down.  If they did this, they might not have so many antibiotic-resistant infections, and might not have to shut down entire facilities to "sanitize them" after big outbreaks where innocent people die.

Innocent people die because medical professionals shirk common sense.  Doc Wallach, on the other hand, isn't killing anyone.  And he is helping many.

What part of what he says is true? that most diseases are caused by Nutritional deficiency? and these same diseases can be reversed by nutritional supplementation? That there is no such thing as genetic diseases? again they are all the result of nutritional deficiencies? I could add more things but i'm tired right now, perhaps tomorrow.

If so, why not give people a full list of the vitamins and minerals that could help them. Why does he charge exorbitant prices for them and suggest that you buy only from his website?

How do i know Wallach hasn't killed anyone? Probably not directly (I'd like to not think), but indirectly he could have caused numerous deaths based on faulty advice given; advice he's not qualified to give in the first place. You don't know his history. He's a vet, not a doctor, yet pretends to be one.

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« Reply #84172 on: November 16, 2017, 08:23:06 PM »
The patient did not face any risks that any other fuse patient doesn't face.  No unusual risks were present.  He was young and otherwise healthy.  Fusing vertebrae is simply barbaric, since vertebrae are MEANT to MOVE, rotating, bending, and twisting... all the time.  In this day and age of physical therapy and even deep tissue massage to teach the muscles to relax again, it is a disservice to recommend fusing vertebrae unless a person injuries are truly horrific, like from a car accident.

I know one patient who broke her shoulder.  During her time in a cast, she got carpal tunnel on her other side from over-using her other wrist (I really wonder what her husband was doing this whole time?  bon bons on the couch?)  Anyhow, she ended up having carpal tunnel surgery so now, over a year later, working full-time, she is still in horrible pain, and possibly becoming (it seems) addicted to painkillers, from having had two surgeries.  The fact is, there is a point under the arm, which when activated, reduces carpal tunnel syndrome.  But, doctors won't tell patients that, because doctors are biased (toward making money off surgery I guess).  Doctors push prescriptions and surgeries.

To further exemplify my point, this same woman has a car she just bought new, with less than 99.000 miles on it.  She trusts her dealer because he has always been honest.  Well, bingo for him, now he told her she needs a new $1800 AXEL and she fell for it.  Doctors are just like that.  Most people don't get a second opinion.  I have gotten 4 different opinions from 4 different medical professionals for the same condition!  Each recommendation was totally different than the other.  They tell you to do what will line their pockets.

I've known several people as well, (friends, relatives) who've had severe disc herniations and others who suffered of spinal stenosis, many due to accidents of one type or the other. They always told me their doctors told them surgery was an option but never forced it upon them... if they elected a different route (physical therapy, chiro/acupuncture) the doctor would support them in what they wanted to do. Some chose surgery because the pain became too unbearable and was chronic for years and years. After receiving the surgery the doctor gave a month or 2 of painkillers but afterwards they all related the surgery successful that put them back to normal.

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« Reply #84173 on: November 16, 2017, 08:29:56 PM »
What part of what he says is true? that most diseases are caused by Nutritional deficiency? and these same diseases can be reversed by nutritional supplementation? That there is no such thing as genetic diseases? again they are all the result of nutritional deficiencies? I could add more things but i'm tired right now, perhaps tomorrow.

If so, why not give people a full list of the vitamins and minerals that could help them. Why does he charge exorbitant prices for them and suggest that you buy only from his website?

How do i know Wallach hasn't killed anyone? Probably not directly (I'd like to not think), but indirectly he could have caused numerous deaths based on faulty advice given; advice he's not qualified to give in the first place. You don't know his history. He's a vet, not a doctor, yet pretends to be one.
The other point the quacks don't mention when they throw out "stats" about the dangers of doctors and hospitals. Like a person going to a hospital is already, likely, has some problems so more likely to be a risk. Illegals who come in droves to ERs. That people, especially illegals and poor (not necessarily their fault) won't abide by doctor's advice (change diet, stop smoking, stop drinking so much, take their meds, exercise, etc) but come in once something becomes an acute, crisis situation- which by definition is already bad and so higher risk. Psych Meds a risk for suicide or aberrant behavior? Yes. But people seeking them out are already (usually) depressed (or whatever) so already a high risk for suicide etc.

Having said that. I do think there is LOTS wrong with our medical system and "big pharma." Popular advertising for meds. Meds prescribed by doctors for which they aren't totally qualified (why do primary care prescribed so much mental meds?) The painkiller issues. The VA crap. The bad food and lifestyles promoted by advertisers, Lack of follow up on patients. The whole insurance and billing issues and problems. Abagados and lawsuit abuses. The view by state agencies, especially for kids and vets, that everything, physical or mental, can be solved by a battery of pills (again without follow-ups or real diagnosis.) Faked, or bad, studies for certain Meds without 3rd party and real science behind them. Giving pills for purposes that aren't precisely approved for but off-label use. Over use of anti-biotics. And other things...

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« Reply #84174 on: November 16, 2017, 08:32:27 PM »
Ok, yeah I listened to a video and I see that is his style.  But sometimes late at night, the pauses between words got so long I was sure he was taking a hit and holding his breath!

Ha, you're way off-base. You "listened" to a video?

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« Reply #84175 on: November 16, 2017, 08:36:14 PM »
Ok, yeah I listened to a video and I see that is his style.  But sometimes late at night, the pauses between words got so long I was sure he was taking a hit and holding his breath!

You get no argument from me, that is true.

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« Reply #84176 on: November 16, 2017, 08:46:06 PM »
The other point the quacks don't mention when they throw out "stats" about the dangers of doctors and hospitals. Like a person going to a hospital is already, likely, has some problems so more likely to be a risk. Illegals who come in droves to ERs. That people, especially illegals and poor (not necessarily their fault) won't abide by doctor's advice (change diet, stop smoking, stop drinking so much, take their meds, exercise, etc) but come in once something becomes an acute, crisis situation- which by definition is already bad and so higher risk. Psych Meds a risk for suicide or aberrant behavior? Yes. But people seeking them out are already (usually) depressed (or whatever) so already a high risk for suicide etc.

Having said that. I do think there is LOTS wrong with our medical system and "big pharma." Popular advertising for meds. Meds prescribed by doctors for which they aren't totally qualified (why do primary care prescribed so much mental meds?) The painkiller issues. The VA crap. The bad food and lifestyles promoted by advertisers, Lack of follow up on patients. The whole insurance and billing issues and problems. Abagados and lawsuit abuses. The view by state agencies, especially for kids and vets, that everything, physical or mental, can be solved by a battery of pills (again without follow-ups or real diagnosis.) Faked, or bad, studies for certain Meds without 3rd party and real science behind them. Giving pills for purposes that aren't precisely approved for but off-label use. Over use of anti-biotics. And other things...

I'm not saying there aren't bad medical doctors, there surely are. There is good and bad in every group. PCP's won't usually prescribe anti-depressents or opiates.. they'll probably write you a referral to see another specialty if you have a big problem. Some Friends tell me their PCP's are scared to prescribe them something like vicodin.. i guess it;s the opioid crisis.. emergency health crisis in effect, go figure.

But you're right... hospitals that have to deal with high volumes ( on top of illegals), not everyone will receive proper medical care/attention and mistakes can happen, it's simply not possible to be perfect with everyone. Plus hospitals prioritize on how serious an injury someone comes in with. Those illegals shouldn't be here in the first place.. that's a national issue.

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« Reply #84177 on: November 16, 2017, 08:51:57 PM »
I'm not saying there aren't bad medical doctors, there surely are. There is good and bad is every group. PCP's won't usually prescribe anti-depressents or opiates.. they'll probably write you a referral to see another specialty if you have a big problem. Some Friends tell me their PCP's are scared to prescribe them something like vicodin.. i guess it;s the opioid crisis.. emergency health crisis in effect, go figure.

But you're right... hospitals that have to deal with high volumes ( on top of illegals), not everyone will receive proper medical care/attention and mistakes can happen, it's simply not possible to be perfect with everyone. Plus hospitals prioritize on how serious an injury someone comes in with. Those illegals shouldn't be here in the first place.. that's a national issue.
I'm AMAZED though how many kids are on anti-depressives and anti-ADHD stuff though. At young ages. Ages in which, in my non-medical opinion, hormones and experiences are happening naturally. Not saying that some don't need but so many? Why now? Childhood or adolescence SUDDENLY such a trauma? And worse for those already "in the system." (Again, this could be understandable- those in government care, juvie, or foster homes likely 'have issues' but some of the audits here have shown meds given out like candy to them. For real problems? Or cheaper way to manage?) PCPs will also give out anti-depressants pretty liberally to senior citizens. Again, maybe needed (loss of spouse etc) but doesn't seem much oversight. I've heard in nursing homes etc lots of such pills given out. For help or management?

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« Reply #84178 on: November 16, 2017, 09:02:30 PM »
I'm AMAZED though how many kids are on anti-depressives and anti-ADHD stuff though. At young ages. Ages in which, in my non-medical opinion, hormones and experiences are happening naturally. Not saying that some don't need but so many? Why now? Childhood or adolescence SUDDENLY such a trauma? And worse for those already "in the system." (Again, this could be understandable- those in government care, juvie, or foster homes likely 'have issues' but some of the audits here have shown meds given out like candy to them. For real problems? Or cheaper way to manage?) PCPs will also give out anti-depressants pretty liberally to senior citizens. Again, maybe needed (loss of spouse etc) but doesn't seem much oversight. I've heard in nursing homes etc lots of such pills given out. For help or management?

I don't agree with giving children/adolescents SSRI's either (perhaps ritalin is okay temporarily but should never be given long-term). I think that's a big problem as well and they're given way too liberally. Their brains are still developing at those ages and who know what kind effects those meds are having. There may be severe cases of children with extreme violent tendencies, so perhaps meds are the only answer in those cases.

I've noticed many kids these days being diagnosed with autism. That's something just not seen in previous generations. I think doctors may be confusing autism with depression or other mental condition and then wrongfully prescribe anti-depressants. Just a theory.

I don't see much of a problem with giving them to senior citizens, if they really need it. But what i don't understand is why they are given in such high doses... if a doctor truly must, they should start a person on the most minimal dose there is. 

In nursing homes i would guess more for management, to keep them docile and in a sedative state so they don't annoy the staff or something. Not saying it's the right thing to do.

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« Reply #84179 on: November 16, 2017, 09:34:13 PM »
I don't agree with giving children/adolescents SSRI's either (perhaps ritalin is okay temporarily but should never be given long-term). I think that's a big problem as well and they're given way too liberally. Their brains are still developing at those ages and who know what kind effects those meds are having. There may be severe cases of children with extreme violent tendencies, so perhaps meds are the only answer in those cases.

I've noticed many kids these days being diagnosed with autism. That's something just not seen in previous generations. I think doctors may be confusing autism with depression or other mental condition and then wrongfully prescribe anti-depressants. Just a theory.

I don't see much of a problem with giving them to senior citizens, if they really need it. But what i don't understand is why they are given in such high doses... if a doctor truly must, they should start a person on the most minimal dose there is. 

In nursing homes i would guess more for management, to keep them docile and in a sedative state so they don't annoy the staff or something. Not saying it's the right thing to do.
How is this for a conspiracy or alternative theory? In the past autistic, depressives, or "crazy" types might have not had the opportunity to do much, so stayed home, in their village, worked the field, did their personal studies, or did whatever. Or even locked up? Or even killed themselves. Certain forms of technology (both in business and in meds) make it that certain (less traumatic types of course) autistic etc personalities valuable and/or ability to work and even make personal connections without much physical or real contact. Or make real contact with people, jobs, etc. But that also has made some lots of money and so now, "nerds" are a commodity and even attract girls. So breed. And since, at least some correlation, in families for certain mental conditions makes it more likely? I developed this theory (not saying I buy into it) during a watching of "Revenge of the Nerds." I have similar theories about allergies and eye-sight. Modern tech (glasses) make more likely that society will have more eye problems since in "the old days" bad eye-sight or sneezing at any bush would make a tiger pounce on you!