The Border is Secure

[albrecht]

Some illegals like to vote:  

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/05/08/physician-facing-federal-indictment-for-passport-fraud-illegal-voting-by-an-alien/   

87% of illegal immigrant families are no-shows for deportation: ICE  

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/8/87-immigrant-families-are-no-shows-hearings/   

The usual:  

https://www.kcra.com/article/ice-suspect-in-sutter-county-deadly-dui-crash-is-in-us-illegally/27398264 

https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/05/07/ice-suspect-triple-fatal-dui-arrest/ 

[paladin1991]

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I just watched this.   "....Mexican police to restore order."  Funniest line in that clip.

[albrecht]

Most Hispanic judges should recuse themselves from hearing cases on illegal immigration. It is apparent that many of them seem to have a conflict of interest and always seem to side with the illegals rather than the law or the country. Of course it is not only the Hispanic judges that are doing so much damage to the country. Lots of other judges push their anti-American view in judging cases.
https://q13fox.com/2019/05/10/judge-tukwila-police-unlawfully-arrested-illegal-immigrant/ 

Why do we need to always rescue them and give them help and free stuff? They, or their country-of-origin, should be charged with paying the bills for all these rescues and give-aways we give illegals.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/watch-cbp-agents-perform-helicopter-rescue-of-illegal-immigrant-stranded-on-diablo-peak 

The usual: 

https://patch.com/connecticut/stamford/mexican-national-convicted-illegal-alien-ct-3rd-time 

I'll bet she will have a happy Mother's Day thanks to the illegal who, like so many of them, loved to drink, drug, and drive. Why don't some of these pro-illegal, open-border judges and politicians meet up with their precious illegals instead of police and just normal American citizens? 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/05/09/an-illegal-immigrant-killed-her-son-a-police-officer-heres-how-this-mom-fights-to-save-others/ 

[Jackstar]

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[albrecht]

There is an agenda and there is a plan.

This friendly illegal liked to deal with drugs and illegal firearm sales. No word if the Democrats will demand a DREAMER status or maybe give him a job in the BATF under a future Holder administration.

https://www.wsmv.com/news/illegal-alien-sentenced-on-firearms-distributing-drugs-charges-in-federal/article_7337e7d6-781f-11e9-8d3d-2be28062ab5e.html   

This illegal likes to beats a spouse. Interestingly, unlike most illegals in 'domestic battery' situations, the illegal involved in the beating was the wife! 

https://www.cleveland.com/community/2019/05/arrested-woman-found-to-be-illegal-immigrant-mayfield-heights-police-blotter.html 

This illegal who killed two people when playing their beloved drunk driving game only gets 12 1/2 years! The court even let him listen to Norterno and Marachi music in court and provided headphones. Now he gets 3 squares a day in a secure facility where he can hang-out with friends and then get deported, on the US taxpayer's dime, so he can walk across the open border later and play the drunk driving game again!

https://www.kgw.com/video/news/local/illegal-immigrant-pleads-guilty-to-killing-2-motorcyclists/283-a3fd9287-e0bb-4952-9a82-10d4c157d5ba 

"Hey Gringo, we can exploit illegals also"- possibly said by illegal charged with employer and gun violations. 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/05/12/illegal-alien-business-owner-charged-with-exploiting-workers-n2546195 
"Grant him Amnesty or DREAMER status," likely said by Democrats, and some Republicans: 

https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/crime/alleged-sex-offender-pleads-guilty-to-re-entering-us-illegally/291-feac1f9d-9ca2-4b9c-b586-5e205e56111d 

[albrecht]

There is an agenda and there is a plan.

This friendly illegal liked to deal with drugs and illegal firearm sales. No word if the Democrats will demand a DREAMER status or maybe give him a job in the BATF under a future Holder administration.

https://www.wsmv.com/news/illegal-alien-sentenced-on-firearms-distributing-drugs-charges-in-federal/article_7337e7d6-781f-11e9-8d3d-2be28062ab5e.html   

This illegal likes to beats a spouse. Interestingly, unlike most illegals in 'domestic battery' situations, the illegal involved in the beating was the wife! 

https://www.cleveland.com/community/2019/05/arrested-woman-found-to-be-illegal-immigrant-mayfield-heights-police-blotter.html 

This illegal who killed two people when playing their beloved drunk driving game only gets 12 1/2 years! The court even let him listen to Norterno and Marachi music in court and provided headphones. Now he gets 3 squares a day in a secure facility where he can hang-out with friends and then get deported, on the US taxpayer's dime, so he can walk across the open border later and play the drunk driving game again!

https://www.kgw.com/video/news/local/illegal-immigrant-pleads-guilty-to-killing-2-motorcyclists/283-a3fd9287-e0bb-4952-9a82-10d4c157d5ba 

"Hey Gringo, we can exploit illegals also"- possibly said by illegal charged with employer and gun violations. 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/05/12/illegal-alien-business-owner-charged-with-exploiting-workers-n2546195 
"Grant him Amnesty or DREAMER status," likely said by Democrats, and some Republicans: 

https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/crime/alleged-sex-offender-pleads-guilty-to-re-entering-us-illegally/291-feac1f9d-9ca2-4b9c-b586-5e205e56111d

Notice that some news outlets just use a phrase "Texas man" or "resident" instead of outright leading with the headline that this serial killer, like the Railroad Killer a few decades ago, is an illegal. However in this case he was not a Mexican illegal but an OTM illegal. Obama would love him though because he also is from Kenya AND his targets apparently were elderly, sort of like a personal death panel.       No word if Obama had granted him DREAMER status or if any family connections. 

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article230467014.html 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-man-who-allegedly-posed-maintenance-worker-charged-killing-seven-n1006436 

https://www.newsweek.com/texas-resident-indicted-allegedly-murdering-12-elderly-women-over-22-months-1428513 

https://www.ibtimes.com/billy-chemirmir-undocumented-kenyan-immigrant-allegedly-smothered-12-elderly-women-2792723   


Meanwhile the usual under the "tough on the border" Trump administration: 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/16/homeland-security-releases-9k-illegal-aliens-into-u-s-in-8-days-1-1k-released-every-day/ 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ice-hire-contractor-transport-225000-migrant-shelters 

[SredniVashtar]

Notice that some news outlets just use a phrase "Texas man" or "resident" instead of outright leading with the headline that this serial killer, like the Railroad Killer a few decades ago, is an illegal.

Uh, probably because being undocumented is small beer under the circumstances.

[albrecht]

Uh, probably because being undocumented is small beer under the circumstances.

I'm sure that is the reason.     

And Senor Resendiz was simply 'itinerant.' 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81ngel_Maturino_Res%C3%A9ndiz

[SredniVashtar]

I'm sure that is the reason.     

And Senor Resendiz was simply 'itinerant.' 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81ngel_Maturino_Res%C3%A9ndiz

You seem to be implying that itinerant is a euphemism for illegal but it just means he was a drifter. Are we claiming that all serial killers are illegals now?

[albrecht]

You seem to be implying that itinerant is a euphemism for illegal but it just means he was a drifter. Are we claiming that all serial killers are illegals now?

No simply that the media uses almost any excuse or artifice to get around using "illegal" after they commit the usual mayhem, excepting some local news outlets.  The key is too look at local reporting, not national leads, and local PD's report and scan for things like "immigration detainer" or other such things buried in the article after the headline about some drunk driving case, a child rape, or, in some cases, even serial killings. 

Obviously most serial killers aren't illegal though there are a lot of them in Ol' Mex and some, like these guys, come over here.  I'm also not sure, technically, if hired killers/torturers are considered 'serial killers' because all of those down working for the Cartels are doing it for profit motives? I guess if one talks numbers they would be considered ones. And certainly the many thousands of murdered women and girls down there in the great country of Mexico were victims of serial killers and/or general culture that, for some reason, some want to import here.

[Kidnostad3]

You seem to be implying that itinerant is a euphemism for illegal but it just means he was a drifter. Are we claiming that all serial killers are illegals now?

Of course he isn't.  Every country has its share of native born assholes.  How does it benefit any country to import foreign assholes to add to the problem or for that matter to import any ready-made burdens to society?  The MSM goes to great lengths to avoid reporting on crimes committed by illegals because it serves the left's agenda of population engineering.  Only when it is forced to do so by the horrendous nature of a crime does the MSM cover such stories but invariably soft pedals the fact that the the perpetrator or perpetrators are illegals and in most cases have criminal records.  Stop using this asinine non sequitur as a dodge FFS. 

[SredniVashtar]

Of course he isn't.  Every country has its share of native born assholes.  How does it benefit any country to import foreign assholes to add to the problem or for that matter to import any ready-made burdens to society?  The MSM goes to great lengths to avoid reporting on crimes committed by illegals because it serves the left's agenda of population engineering.  Only when it is forced to do so by the horrendous nature of a crime does the MSM cover such stories but invariably soft pedals the fact that the the perpetrator or perpetrators are illegals and in most cases have criminal records.  Stop using this asinine non sequitur as a dodge FFS.

The fact that you are living in a country illegally doesn't mean you are predisposed towards criminal behaviour. You have enough trigger happy morons living there who are ready to explode at the slightest opportunity, I don't see how focusing on illegals improves matters. When someone commits a crime their residential status has no more bearing on the issue than their sexuality or what football team they support.

[Jojo]

The fact that you are living in a country illegally doesn't mean you are predisposed towards criminal behaviour. You have enough trigger happy morons living there who are ready to explode at the slightest opportunity, I don't see how focusing on illegals improves matters. When someone commits a crime their residential status has no more bearing on the issue than their sexuality or what football team they support.

There illegal status has some bearing if they are forced to work under the table, or criminally because then they don't pay into the system.  Yet, tax dollars are required to support them if they go to prison.

[SredniVashtar]

There illegal status has some bearing if they are forced to work under the table, or criminally because then they don't pay into the system.  Yet, tax dollars are required to support them if they go to prison.

I think he's mainly concerned with violent crime. But the evidence that illegals are responsible for disproportionate levels of crime doesn't stack up for crime of any sort, it's just the lazy kind of stuff propagated by pond life like Tucker Carlson. Even right -wing think tanks agree.

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/criminal-immigrants-texas-illegal-immigrant

[pyewacket]

I think he's mainly concerned with violent crime. But the evidence that illegals are responsible for disproportionate levels of crime doesn't stack up for crime of any sort, it's just the lazy kind of stuff propagated by pond life like Tucker Carlson. Even right -wing think tanks agree.

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/criminal-immigrants-texas-illegal-immigrant

About those stats- you might want look a little bit further than The Cato Institute for the hard data. Cato seemed to rely on data collected from self reporting peoplekind (a little Canadian lingo) and not so much on actual law enforcement records.

FBI data would be the best but here's The Heritage Foundation's response to Cato's findings.

Even if you take Cato's data at its face value, it still shows that introducing illegal aliens into an area still nearly doubles the crime rate.


Crimes by Illegal Aliens, Not Legal Immigrants, are the Real Problem

Instead of using official crime data, these reports also use surveys. The Sentencing Project measures “crime and related behavior based on self-reported accounts of behavior” and Cato uses the United States Census American Community Survey (ACS). For obvious reasons, there is little incentive for anyone, let alone criminal aliens, to self-report their crimes. Many respondents will likely also fail to disclose that they are not a citizen out of fear of discovery and deportation.

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/crimes-illegal-aliens-not-legal-immigrants-are-the-real-problem

[pyewacket]

Even right -wing think tanks agree.

Isn't that statement the definition of 'anecdotal evidence'? Isn't this what you regularly accuse others of doing?

You, sir, have the consistency of a dithering swamp snail.

[SredniVashtar]

Isn't that statement the definition of 'anecdotal evidence'? Isn't this what you regularly accuse others of doing?

You, sir, have the consistency of a dithering swamp snail.

I don't know much about snails, are they famously inconsistent? You'll have to start your own mollusc thread, I'm sure it will be most enlightening.

Are we nearing nappy time or something? You're not displaying your usual mental acuity here, such as it is. This guy with the sinister name wants to pretend that these studies are about illegal aliens yet says (and expects people like you not to notice) that the stats included aliens both legal and illegal. And how many of these crimes are ones connected with being there illegally rather than actual serious crimes? Not good enough, try again!

You're obviously smarting from the drubbing I gave you last time but you ought to be sure of your ground before accepting battle because you just tripped over your clown shoes on this one.

[pyewacket]

Are we nearing nappy time or something? You're not displaying your usual mental acuity here, such as it is. This guy with the sinister name wants to pretend that these studies are about illegal aliens yet says (and expects people like you not to notice) that the stats included aliens both legal and illegal. And how many of these crimes are ones connected with being there illegally rather than actual serious crimes? Not good enough, try again!

You're obviously smarting from the drubbing I gave you last time but you ought to be sure of your ground before accepting battle because you just tripped over your clown shoes on this one.

Do not mistake my lack of response as a victory on your part. I have always found your responses predictable, shallow, and they typically do not address the primary matter in question. You reply to a small, insignificant part of the matter and throw out an insult or two, then wait for someone to respond. If someone dares to respond- you change the subject matter to something else. Yes, they do contain a certain amount of passion, but always fail to persuade. 

I will cut you some slack because I do not expect you to understand what it means to be an American. Living in "your more civilized country", you must be quite pleased with your ever diminishing freedom of speech, suppression of opposing viewpoints, lack of self sufficiency and defense of one's person and country.   

Since your go-to method of debate is name calling, then allow me the privilege of responding in kind- you, sir, are a horrid chimera of wilful ignorance, colossal arrogance, and impotent rage.

At this point, I cannot guarantee that anyone on this forum sees you as anything other than an omini-directional bilge pump.

Nice touch with the 'clown shoes', but no ground given.

[SredniVashtar]

you, sir, are a horrid chimera of wilful ignorance, colossal arrogance, and impotent rage.

OK, Time Out. It sounds like you're offended for realz. I thought you knew my methods by now. Sorry if I annoyed you, it wasn't my intention. If you can't take a bit of raillery then best not play. I don't get offended by anything anybody says but it seems other people are more sensitive.

[pyewacket]

OK, Time Out. It sounds like you're offended for realz. I thought you knew my methods by now. Sorry if I annoyed you, it wasn't my intention. If you can't take a bit of raillery then best not play. I don't get offended by anything anybody says but it seems other people are more sensitive.

No offense taken- I'm just playing the game. I meant none of that- yeah, that's the ticket...

You will always be my sweetie darling. 

[Kidnostad3]

Do not mistake my lack of response as a victory on your part. I have always found your responses predictable, shallow, and they typically do not address the primary matter in question. You reply to a small, insignificant part of the matter and throw out an insult or two, then wait for someone to respond. If someone dares to respond- you change the subject matter to something else. Yes, they do contain a certain amount of passion, but always fail to persuade. 

I will cut you some slack because I do not expect you to understand what it means to be an American. Living in "your more civilized country", you must be quite pleased with your ever diminishing freedom of speech, suppression of opposing viewpoints, lack of self sufficiency and defense of one's person and country.   

Since your go-to method of debate is name calling, then allow me the privilege of responding in kind- you, sir, are a horrid chimera of wilful ignorance, colossal arrogance, and impotent rage.

At this point, I cannot guarantee that anyone on this forum sees you as anything other than an omini-directional bilge pump.

Nice touch with the 'clown shoes', but no ground given.

SV's posts show that he is of the irrational utopian socialist persuasion.   The arguments he proffers could be used in textbooks as examples of logical fallacies:   Most Americans don't want hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens entering their country each year; therefore, most Americans are unintelligent evil racists who are being manipulated by white males.  People who value and show compassion for sentient, viable human beings who reside en utero are religious fanatics whose only motives are political.  Those who value individual rights above collectivism are selfish dolts who are on the wrong side of history notwithstanding the historical complete and utter failure of collectivist regimes that continues to the present day.    I could go on but you get the idea. 

[SredniVashtar]

SV's posts show that he is of the irrational utopian socialist persuasion.   The arguments he proffers could be used in textbooks as examples of logical fallacies:   Most Americans don't want hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens entering their country each year; therefore, most Americans are unintelligent evil racists who are being manipulated by white males.  People who value and show compassion for sentient, viable human beings who reside en utero are religious fanatics whose only motives are political.  Those who value individual rights above collectivism are selfish dolts who are on the wrong side of history notwithstanding the historical complete and utter failure of collectivist regimes that continues to the present day.    I could go on but you get the idea.

None of that is true but never mind, it's never stopped you calumniating me before. I don't have an opinion on 'illegals', that's your look-out and it's none of my business really, but if you want to group them all with drug pushers, racists and murderers then you're simply wrong and perpetuating a stereotype.

Instead of virtue signalling about a cluster of cells without experiences or memories to lose, why not worry about those already born? You're just posturing, it's faux compassion that appeals to your over-simplified view of morality.

I don't see you bothering your little turtle head about individual rights when you're forcing a women to go through a pregnancy. I'm all for individual rights; it's because individuals get crushed by the current system so often that I want to see changes. Freedom is a good horse to ride as long as it's going somewhere.

[ItsOver]

Back when SNL was funny.

http://youtu.be/c91XUyg9iWM

[pyewacket]

Back when SNL was funny.

I know I could never do this shtick as well as they did, but thats kinda where I was going with it- thank you, IO!!!

[ItsOver]

I know I could never do this shtick as well as they did, but thats kinda where I was going with it- thank you, IO!!!

"Yeeewww are welcome!"

[Kidnostad3]

None of that is true but never mind, it's never stopped you calumniating me before. I don't have an opinion on 'illegals', that's your look-out and it's none of my business really, but if you want to group them all with drug pushers, racists and murderers then you're simply wrong and perpetuating a stereotype.

Instead of virtue signalling about a cluster of cells without experiences or memories to lose, why not worry about those already born? You're just posturing, it's faux compassion that appeals to your over-simplified view of morality.

I don't see you bothering your little turtle head about individual rights when you're forcing a women to go through a pregnancy. I'm all for individual rights; it's because individuals get crushed by the current system so often that I want to see changes. Freedom is a good horse to ride as long as it's going somewhere.

Talk about whipping a dead horse.  The only one still lumping all illegal aliens in with drug pushers, racists and murderers is you.  All here have made it clear that they do not and most Americans don't either.  How does ignoring or denying the fact that a number of illegal aliens are indeed bad guys who victimize their own as well as American citizens help the situation?  It is a part of the overall problem that must be considered. 

Virtue signaling my ass. Generally referring to aborted fetuses as a collection of cells is an outrageous sophistry and you know it.  Pain is felt and heartbeats are stopped in the first trimester.   How can you possibly subordinate the right of a human being to exist to a woman's being inconvenienced for nine months.  Be grateful that your mother didn't see it that way. 

P.S.  I only calumniated once in my life but I didn't inhale. 

[SredniVashtar]

Talk about whipping a dead horse.  The only one lumping all illegal aliens in with drug pushers, racists and murderers is you.  All here have made it clear that they do not and most Americans don't either.  How does denying the fact that a number of illegal aliens are indeed bad guys who victimize their own as well as American citizens help the situation?  It is a part of the overall problem that must be considered. 

Virtue signaling my ass. Generally referring to aborted fetuses as a collection of cells is an outrageous sophistry and you know it.  Pain is felt and heartbeats are stopped in the first trimester.   How can you possibly subordinate the right of a human being to exist to a woman's being inconvenienced for nine months.  Be grateful that your mother didn't see it that way.

Pregnancy is an 'inconvenience'? Hanging around waiting for a table in a restaurant is an inconvenience, not an experience that will change your body irrevocably, and possibly kill you. It's not like taking a dump. Don't be so despicably ignorant. You're allowing the government to treat a woman as no more than a baby machine but you're incapable of seeing it.

Trump does nothing but hammer home that illegals mean crime, and you all agree with him. They're all the dregs of society, there's no attempt to draw a distinction or concede that most are people simply looking for a better life. Ask albrecht.

[Kidnostad3]

I know I could never do this shtick as well as they did, but thats kinda where I was going with it- thank you, IO!!!

Oh you did it well enough my dear. 

[SredniVashtar]

Some further reading on the 'inconvenience ' of pregnancy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2010/apr/12/maternal-mortality-rates-millennium-development-goals

[Kidnostad3]

Pregnancy is an 'inconvenience'? Hanging around waiting for a table in a restaurant is an inconvenience, not an experience that will change your body irrevocably, and possibly kill you. It's not like taking a dump. Don't be so despicably ignorant. You're allowing the government to treat a woman as no more than a baby machine but you're incapable of seeing it.

Trump does nothing but hammer home that illegals mean crime, and you all agree with him. They're all the dregs of society, there's no attempt to draw a distinction or concede that most are people simply looking for a better life. Ask albrecht.

Enough said.  I'm content to leave it right here for future reference. 

P.S. You are woefully uninformed.  Trump has taken pains to make the distinction on multiple occasions.  He even offered Dems an immigration package that would grant citizenship to 11 million "dreamers" much to the consternation of many in his base.  But you continue to base your comments on what you hear on CNN and MSNBC or whatever the Brit equivalents are.