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[PB the Deplorable]

The narcissistic, under achieving 'dick-head' that others call 'Mister President' ..... has fucked your country.  It will take a generation to un-do the harm he has done.


Hope that the American people come to their senses at the ballot box ..... your fine country cannot sustain another term from this 'piker' ....

Obama is just a potential final nail.  We've allowed the Left to march through and do a pretty good job of attacking and seriously damaging our institutions going on 50 years now.  Prior to that they were trying but weren't allowed to get much traction.

I'll never understand why some are so threatened by freedom and self rule, rather than embracing it.  And why others are so easily taken in by these demagogues - its almost funny watching the easily led act all superior.

[John Smith]

All the hand-wringing and crocodile tears being shed over these 4 tragic deaths is pathetic. You would think we had suffered another attack on he scale of 911 by the way wing-nut "talk show hosts" and Fix News are desperately trying to keep the story going.

[PB the Deplorable]

All the hand-wringing and crocodile tears being shed over these 4 tragic deaths is pathetic. You would think we had suffered another attack on he scale of 911 by the way wing-nut "talk show hosts" and Fix News are desperately trying to keep the story going.

Thank you for provoding a crystal clear example for why we should never elect another Lib to anything

[analog kid]

Any credible citations for these latest conspiracy theories?

[Blinko]

I'm surprised the " infowarrior" didnt bother to link his sources...

Here's one I found from dailymail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223747/CIA-agents-Benghazi-twice-asked-permission-help-Ambassador-Chris-Stevens-bullets-flying-twice-told-stand-down.html

reports abound for " stand down benghazi " searches on agenda media and on other sites not worth linking.

Ideally you'd like to see the administration itself admit it, or hear it from a truely unbiased source( this is a mythical thing). Or corroborated from multiple unrelated parties, I couldn't really find that. But if it's true ,it should be out there.

Found something on CBS news but it didnt overtly state the " stand down " message.

The best source would be the operatives themselves. We're assuming that's were these other news sources got their info.

Regardless , it looks pretty bad.

If you don't believe it , I don't blame you. You should be reluctant to believe anything.

Also , if you don't believe it now, what source is sufficient for you to believe...? Ultimately you choose some arbiter that's going to decide the truth for you.

If there is a link to the direct source, those who received the message to " stand down " and their testimony , that would be pretty compelling.

That's a good arbiter... if they are credible and you can't attribute any agenda to them.

It all becomes so silly.

[Juan]

Well, Fox News got the emails.  They say it is an exclusive story.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/

The CIA released the following statement to Jake Tapper at ABC News:
No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate.
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/261936225106132993

A reporter at KUSA in Denver asked President Obama about the allegations, and KUSA's story lede is as follows:
"President Barack Obama would not directly address questions from 9NEWS on whether Americans under attack in Libya were denied requests for assistance during the September 11th terror attack."
http://www.9news.com/news/article/296294/339/9NEWS-questions-Obama-on-Libya-attack?odyssey=tab|topnews|bc|


As is usual in one of these things. we'll have to see what develops, and whether the media chooses to pursue it.  I expect, though, that those on the left will attack the Fox News source, and ignore the allegations and other sources.

[analog kid]

Considering the right has been wrong about various aspects of this incident since it began, it would take some compelling evidence from multiple major news sources. Foxnews.com doesn't cut it.

[Juan]

Exactly as predicted.  Call me the real Maj. Ed Dames.

[PB the Deplorable]

... Foxnews.com doesn't cut it.

That's right Phil - how can you trust an outlet that's not completely in the bag for Obama?

[analog kid]

Sorry guys, but the conspiracy bullshit has been flying from the right and from Fox for so long, neither has any credibility anymore.

Live in your media bubble all you want, but don't expect everyone else to buy what you're selling. Especially without any hard evidence.

[PB the Deplorable]

Sorry guys, but the conspiracy bullshit has been flying from the right and from Fox for so long, neither has any credibility anymore.

Live in your media bubble all you want, but don't expect everyone else to buy what you're selling. Especially without any hard evidence.

That's cool.   

But when a candidate lies about who he is, when the media that supports his party and philosophical leanings refuses to vet him, when he spends millions of dollars denying access to personal records that are routinely handed over by other candidates for President, when some of the documents that are finally released are forgeries, when a Social Security number is used that was issued by a state that person had no apparent ties to, on and on, is it really a surprise when questions are asked and theories are floated to fill in the blanks?

[Blinko]

That's cool.   

But when a candidate lies about who he is, when the media that supports his party and philosophical leanings refuses to vet him, when he spends millions of dollars denying access to personal records that are routinely handed over by other candidates for President, when some of the documents that are finally released are forgeries, when a Social Security number is used that was issued by a state that person had no apparent ties to, on and on, is it really a surprise when questions are asked and theories are floated to fill in the blanks?

Are you referring to Romney?

j/k but yeah , you have a good point.

Obama is a liar, therefore fox news is telling the truth, therefore Obama ordered the military to not assist the  embassy because he was intent on letting them die.

Got it.

[analog kid]

That's cool.   

But when a candidate lies about who he is, when the media that supports his party and philosophical leanings refuses to vet him, when he spends millions of dollars denying access to personal records that are routinely handed over by other candidates for President...

Yeah, that's Romney in a nutshell. Crouching Mormon, hidden taxes.

when some of the documents that are finally released are forgeries, when a Social Security number is used that was issued by a state that person had no apparent ties to, on and on, is it really a surprise when questions are asked and theories are floated to fill in the blanks?

I know nothing about the SS claim, but the forgery part is simply untrue. Which is why I don't take right-wing hate obsessed Obama theories seriously.

[PB the Deplorable]

Are you referring to Romney?

j/k but yeah , you have a good point.

Obama is a liar, therefore fox news is telling the truth, therefore Obama ordered the military to not assist the  embassy because he was intent on letting them die.

Got it.

How about -

Obama said confessed domestic 60s terrorist Bill Ayres is 'just a guy that lives in the neighborhood', then it turns out they served on boards together, Obama began his political career at a fundraiser at Bill's house, Ayres and his equally loathsome wife Bernadette Dohrn babysat the Obama kids...

Obama said in the 20 years he sat in Rev Wright's racist hateful church that he'd never heard any of that garbage, recording of which circulated the internet.  Then we find video of Obama speaking and sounding exactly like Rev Wright.

Obama said he was going to bring the country together.  What exactly has he ever done on that front?

All his broken promises on the economy - things he said his trillions in new debt stimulous would fix.

Fast forward to this incident and coverup - Obama has changed the story on Benghazi several times, and a ton of people in his administration are indicating his current story is a lie.  The Obama media are changing their stories as fast as Obama is.  The Fox story seems like a pretty accurate description of how things work - communication abilities, chain of command, standing orders that go into effect unless they are specifically canceled, the timeline sounds right, CIA and State have stories that conflict with Obama's, he's refusing to answer questions, Obama's general naivete towards Muslims and his relunctentness to believe anything but the best in them.

I'm going with what passes the smell test and not what doesn't.

[PB the Deplorable]

...  the forgery part is simply untrue...

The long form birth certificate, which he finally 'released' earlier this year, could only have been created using current technology - not typewriters and such that existed in the early 1960s.

This is exactly the type of forgery of George W Bushes military records that got Dan Rather fired - using current technology to create records supposedly from the past.

You could look it up, as Yogi would say

[Sardondi]

Worse and worse: 1) An AC-130 "Spectre" gunship was indeed apparently on station; 2) at least 2 drones (almost certainly armed) were on station; 3) security personnel illuminated massed attackers in street with laser, obviously with the expectation that it would serve as the targeting for an attack by the air assets listed above: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/27/U-S-Had-Two-Drones-AC-130-Gunship-and-Targets-Painted-In-Benghazi-But-Obama-Didn-t-Pull-The-Trigger?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BreitbartFeed+%28Breitbart+Feed%29&utm_content=My+Y

And Petraeus has know spoken up and said that no time did CIA personnel deny any assistance to the people in Benghazi, or pass orders that they were not to be helped. "No one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate."  https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/261936225106132993

And the mainstream media has done everything in its power to insulate Obama from the consequences of his decisions.

[Juan]

And now the Obama adminstration says the president didn't issue a stand down order.  That seems to leave the Department of Defense.

Also, the General who was in charge of the area including Africa (I forget now what it is called) has been replaced. Rumors are that he ignored the stand down order and began moving units into place - but I stress this part is a rumor.

And not from Fox News, so it must be true, right?

[analog kid]

The long form birth certificate, which he finally 'released' earlier this year, could only have been created using current technology - not typewriters and such that existed in the early 1960s.

That was thoroughly debunked a long time ago.

[Sardondi]

And now the Obama adminstration says the president didn't issue a stand down order.  That seems to leave the Department of Defense.

Also, the General who was in charge of the area including Africa (I forget now what it is called) has been replaced. Rumors are that he ignored the stand down order and began moving units into place - but I stress this part is a rumor.

And not from Fox News, so it must be true, right?

Yep, it's looking like DoD will be the scape goat.

But I'd be extremely careful of any stories about relief of theater military commanders because they wouldn't stand down. Right now I know of two such stories, and both originated at Free Republic, which is a terrible site about rumors. I have never used Free Republic as a source for anything. Both stories are as yet wild rumors, without substantiation by a reliable source (and I consider Fox News as reliable as network news, or moreso since FNC will tend to report regardless of political fallout, unlike the networks which have demonstrated contrarywise).

The first is your story, that General Ham, commander of AFRICOM, the US Army's African command (yes, there is one) was relieved within 30 seconds of telling a WH staffer in Washington that he would disregard orders to stand down and would instead send in 2 teams to save the Americans in peril in Benghazi.

This is absolute rumor at this point. He was relieved, but not over sending in teams, etc. It was just time for him to rotate home.

There is an almost identical story, also wild rumor, that a US Navy Rear Admiral was relieved for same reason. Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette, commander of the USS John C. Stennis carrier strike force, is supposed to have disregarded orders to stand down, and was going to send in air support to Benghazi. The problem is the Stennis carrier group is attached to the US 5th Fleet, which has as its area of responsibility the Persian Gulf, not the Med, which is the responsibility of the US 6th Fleet. Also, on September 11, 2012, Adm Gaouette and his carrier group were nowhere near Libya. There is no connection at this time between him and the Benghazi fiasco. He apparently was relieved for some personal behavior issue.

So it's going to be important not to spread these things until an authoritative source confirms them or others.

[PB the Deplorable]

... So it's going to be important not to spread these things until an authoritative source confirms them or others.

It is, however, ok for Team Obama to put out a new lie whenever the tuth is closing in again.

[Juan]

The Ham rumor came from an LSU (the university) fan site.  That's not Fox News, nor is it right wing, so, according to the left, it must be true. Ha.

One thing you learn in the news business, if you have any sense, is to report breaking news with attribution, as early stories are frequently wrong in one detail or another.  Fox News has done that in this story by citing government emails.  The messenger is not the problem.  The government needs to make an explanation.

[Sardondi]

The Ham rumor came from an LSU (the university) fan site.  That's not Fox News, nor is it right wing, so, according to the left, it must be true. Ha.

One thing you learn in the news business, if you have any sense, is to report breaking news with attribution, as early stories are frequently wrong in one detail or another.  Fox News has done that in this story by citing government emails.  The messenger is not the problem.  The government needs to make an explanation.

Absolutely. I did see today that the issue is not personal conduct, but "leadership". http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/navy-replaces-admiral-leading-mideast-strike-group-because-of-ongoing-investigation/ Hardly matters; his career is over.

[ItsOver]

Sorry guys, but the conspiracy bullshit has been flying from the right and from Fox for so long, neither has any credibility anymore.

Live in your media bubble all you want, but don't expect everyone else to buy what you're selling. Especially without any hard evidence.

Absolutely.  We should only believe The Ministry of Truth media outlets, such as CNN and MSNBC.

[analog kid]

Absolutely.  We should only believe The Ministry of Truth media outlets, such as CNN and MSNBC.

That's a straw man. Fox News hasn't named its "source" that I'm aware of, or released the "emails," and isn't above concocting false stories and conspiracies to make Obama look bad. Hell, Condi Rice thinks they're full of it on this story, as does the former CIA analyst for the Bush administration. Fox went to court for the right to lie to their audience and won. The Republican Party works for them. They're unique in news networks in that respect.

[ItsOver]

The Rice who is "full of it" is the current ambassador to the UN who shamelessly kept serving as a mouthpiece for spreading that it was all about a video and a spontaneous demonstration.  CNN and MSNBC certainly are "men of straw."  We know who they work for.  Still feeling that tingle up the leg?

[analog kid]

The Rice who is "full of it" is the current ambassador to the UN who shamelessly kept serving as a mouthpiece for spreading that it was all about a video and a spontaneous demonstration.  CNN and MSNBC certainly are "men of straw."  We know who they work for.  Still feeling that tingle up the leg?

Red herrings.

[PB the Deplorable]

So this was just a spontanous crowd of our friends celebrating the 9/11 anniversary, who happened to bring rocket propelled grenades and automatic weapons, then got understandably upset about a YouTube video that had been out for months?

And Obama didn't know a thing about it for weeks - other than our ambassador was murdered, that this wasn't terrorism, or evidence that al-Quada-type groups are not really on the run, or evidence that Obama's policies towards the 'Arab Spring' and Muslims in general are foolish and dangerous? 

There was a communications breakdown somewhere along the way - completely and absolutely not the fault of the guy in charge - and right now his top priority is to investigate, make sure it never happens again, and get back to us when the facts are in?  And anyone bringing it ip or questioning him about this now is 'playing politics'?

Do I have that all about right?

[Sardondi]

...Live in your media bubble all you want, but don't expect everyone else to buy what you're selling. Especially without any hard evidence.

Because the msm has been right on top of it. Remain calm, and don't move from your echo chamber.

[Ruteger]

Zircon, sleep well - you are one of the Chosen. Barring massive voter fraud and the resultant 2nd Civil War - Romney is going to defeat Hussein.

[Sardondi]

Former head of US Pacific fleet calls non-response "Un-American":   http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/28/lyonsobama-needs-come-clean-what-happened-benghazi/?page=all#pagebreak

The mainstream media are working like Trojans to keep this story tamped down, but it's a volcano. They obviously are intent on playing rope-a-dope until after Nov. 6. But this is not only as big as Watergate - it's bigger. I'd guess a Romney win will see a back-off in House efforts to discover what went on. But if Obama pulls out a win, his second term will not be pleasant, if only because of "Fast and Furious" and Benghazi, and they're far from the only scandals. For example, even now Obama can't stop making terrible errors in judgment: he stayed up most of last night to get weather updates on Sandy (which is truly a poor waste of his sleep, as there's nothing a President can do in disasters except let money loose, which he'll do.) Yet when his ambassador is under deadly assault by al Qaeda in Benghazi he rolls over and goes to sleep.

That's a bad, bad comparison for Obama.