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Quote from: brig on June 13, 2018, 10:44:08 AM
...  People who have donated to his ticket and trip necessities are going to be expecting a quality live stream.

Are you sure?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 10:35:50 AM

How, we'll never know what she would be as POTUS, so it's a non sequitur. You can only say you don't think she would be a worse POTUS than Trump, but you don't have a direct comparison.

I can point to her long string of failures on the world stage.  Her legendary poor judgment wasn't going to turn itself around because she was elected to the next office. 

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 10:32:43 AM
That was before Obama's second term.. Obama was re-elected. McConnell carried on his pledge I suppose...

It's routine for opposition officials to make these comments.  It's for their base.  Jesus, please stop taking everyone in DC at their word, it's skewing your understanding of what goes on there. 

Especially when you focus on the lies of just one person.  Somehow you seem comforted by the smooth appealing lies of slick politicians, but coarse obvious lies by Trump drive you ape shit.  It's truly an interesting phenomenon.

After they are done lying to their constituents, they then get down to business and pass legislation everyone agrees to, and either pass compromise legislation on issues they aren't in agreement on or they don't.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 10:32:43 AM
... What? The US system is loosely based on the UK one. The Parliament votes on law (Often not down party lines), the judiciary is completely independent of Parliament and isn't voted in on party lines. The PM is the head of the party and is voted in by the party. The electorate vote for the prospective candidate of the party they want in (A lot more choices than the two in the US), but have no say in who the party leader is.

How is that not a separation of power? I'd say it's far more separate than the US model

Like I said, you don't have a real good grasp of our system.  For one thing, probably the biggest thing, your PM is voted in by the legislative body - and thus closely aligned with them - while our president is elected independent of them.  Your legislature can remove the PM due simply to disagreement, while our legislature can't.  It's a very different dynamic

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 10:26:09 AM
Mark Sanford is a commie then?...

What about him?  He's a minor official who is good on some issues and not so good on others.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 10:26:09 AM
... How does Nunes fit in to that?...

I did mention conservatives are a minority among the elected officials within the party.  ''A minority'' indicates some exist.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 10:14:35 AM
Which bit of 'I didn't support Clinton' are you struggling with?...

You said it isn't valid to compare Trump to her.  I say it is.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
... McConnell gleefully told him to his face he would do all he could to block him at every path until he was out of office-before Obama's second term.

They blocked 500 bills and made the filibuster an art form. And that was as of 2014. And for all their distaste for the ACA (because their insurance and pharma benefactors didn't like it) they didn't come up with an alternative, and still haven't. What happened to that?

What would the point of coming up with an alternative to the ACA be, when Obama would just veto it?  But I agree with you, they should have had a replacement bill on Trump's desk on his first day in office.

As far as ''500 bills'', what exactly were they?  I sure don't recall 500 important bill being buried by the House.  I'm guessing whoever came up with that statistic counted all the various attachments that are voted down and not included in the main bill, all the bills the various members routinely send up knowing they won't be considered, etc. 

So, again, what important legislation did OBAMA send up that wasn't passed?

As far as filibusters, those are routine regardless of which party controls the Senate.  The Ds have certainly done their share.  As far as McConnell telling Obama he was done legislating, also routine - they even have a name for the soon to be outgoing prez:  Lame Duck.  And no Senate run by the opposition party is ever going to approve a soon to be outgoing president's Supreme Court appointment.

I realize you don't have separation of powers in your government, and that you don't quite yet fully understand them, but this is all routine.  I'm asking for what wasn't routine.  The only thing I have is Obama ruling by decree - that was new

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
... Trump despises separation of power, he wants to be supreme ruler, he's as much as said so. He has no interest in anyone else's opinion or expert advice, he really believes he knows everything...

Sure, anyone running for office thinks they are experts on everything.  Heck, the fake news media thinks all elected Democrats are experts on everything.

As far as Trump not following the Constitution, wants to be king, blah, blah, blah, please show us your evidence.  And please try to make it something more than off hand remarks taken out of context, or spin on some action he's taken - let's make it something truly unusual and eye-opening

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 10:01:00 AM
You think the GOP is representative of conservative principals in it's current form? Seriously?...

I think Trump is following a fairly conservative course.  Probably because conservatism is mostly common sense, and Trump sees what needs to be done and is doing it.

As for the R's, they are not a conservative party and have never been one.  Conservatives make up the base of the party, but are a minority within the party as elected officials - probably because conservatives have better things to do than spending their lives fundraising and passing their days in committee meetings

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 09:51:41 AM

But never POTUS... Can we blame Rex Tillerson Mike Pompeo after Trump has gone?

Get a load of Pud.  Now we're not supposed to compare Trump to the person he ran against.  The person proclaimed to be ''the most qualified person to ever run for president''. 

Could it be that even the most virulent Trump haters know they'd lose credibility if they were to entertain the comparison, or to defend her?  If they were again to be asked what her accomplishment were, in light of what Trump has done so far?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 09:32:42 AM
... Clinton has never and unlikely to be POTUS so how can she be in the frame of comparisons?...

She was Bill's top advisor during his administration, she was a US Senator, and she was Obama's top foreign policy official as Secretary of State.  ''The most qualified person to ever run for president'' as the Democrats would tell us.

I think her body of work - such as it is - is a very valid comparison when it comes to certain issues. 

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 09:32:42 AM
I didn't support Clinton, and Obama had his shortcomings (Although he was often stymied by a GOP house that has done fuck all since Trump has been in office other than be Trump's devoted collective-Nunes is chief bitch)... Your point?...

You read my point. 

You claim to not have supported Hilary of Obama, yet your commentary is indistinguishable from those who did.  I have yet to see a single comment from you that is positive towards the GOP or critical of the Ds.

As far as the House not cooperating with Obama, first off that's the point of separation of powers.  The government of our country is different from that of yours, and part of that is we require a broad consensus before making major changes.  Yet the Congress did fund his massive deficits, and didn't do nearly as much as they could when he was illegally ruling by decree through Executive Orders.  Which is a major reason why none of them was chosen by the voters to be the Republican candidate for president


But beyond that, and to address your post - tell me, what legislation did he request that they denied? 

Of course the ''But Hilary'' idiots are the very same people who blamed everything Obama had to deal with on Bush.  Remember when everything Obama did was ''historic'' and every problem that came up was ''Bush's fault''?

Of course that was a different day, and the narrative has now changed so that former presidents are no longer responsible for anything.  A narrative that would revert back as soon as a Democrat again takes office.

You see, in the Libtard bubble they don't like people bringing up Clinton and Obama.  They can't defend them, other than to insist everyone who doesn't support them is somehow ''racist'', or some such.

After attacking Trump, if anyone responds that he's a vast improvement over the alternative, they don't really have a valid response.  So the smug thing to say is ''but Hilary'', or ''but Obama'', and everyone in the bubble nods as if that's all the response needed to take the comparison off the table.

You didn't ask why Bill Clinton's being duped by North Korea, or Obama's being duped by Iran are sometimes mentioned, but the answer is the same. 

To compare their bungling, incompetence, and need to get any deal no matter how badly it affects our national security to the way Trump is dealing with these countries

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 08:07:55 AM
But Obama/Clinton/UPS/KFC/Walmart

Your point?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 13, 2018, 08:13:14 AM
Why is Obama and Clinton mentioned in the Trump thread? One is out of office, the other one never was in office... you point?

I think the point is these people are incompetent, they're corrupt, they've been shown to be criminals - felons, have routinely abused their power, and for all of that have no real accomplishments to point to.

All the people who routinely lie about Trump, repeat the caricatures created by the fake media, spin every comment and action to always present him in the worst light possible, and who endlessly screech about all his flaws never mention these people.  His predecessor as president and his opponent in the presidential campaign are far worse as people, and have done far worse while in office.

The point is a comparison of the pieces of shit you and the others here support and have supported - although you've often pretended otherwise for some reason - to Trump. 

Quote from: chefist on June 12, 2018, 09:03:26 PM
Summary:

8 months ago, "Trump will start WWIII"

Today: "Trump is a pussy."

Ok, you're another one.  You're not supposed to bring up events, what was said, etc from previous days.  There is always a new narrative for today. 

Quote from: Gd5150 on June 12, 2018, 07:41:35 PM
... Although as incompetent as Obama, It’s fair to say Bubba doesn’t hate the US like his wife and Obama. Their incompetence is matched with a deep resentment for the United States of America. This is why the demokkkrat party and hate filled left must be kept as far from foreign policy as possible. Their ignorance and hatred is a danger to freedom and liberty.

They are also appeasers.

They are mostly interested in ''party building'', government expansion, socializing the country, and redistributing income.  They have no idea how to deal with dictators, and aren't interested in our national security.  The only time they think about it is when someone else is in power and doing what's in our national interest.  Then they perk up and go on the attack, as we see now. 

If someone does what's in the best interests of the country, they poor mouth it and try to obstruct - it's Party First for them, and they don't want anyone else getting credit for anything.

Quote from: albrecht on June 12, 2018, 07:23:40 PM
http://www.cjonline.com/news/20180609/kansas-democratic-party-cant-account-for-900000-from-clinton-campaign-fund

"Kansas Democratic Party can’t account for $900,000 from Clinton campaign fund"

The Hilary Victory Fund?  Did they check the Hilary Loser Fund for it?

Quote from: Gd5150 on June 12, 2018, 04:04:30 PM
Remember the concern for human rights the demokkkrat media showed during their orgasm fest over Kim Jong-un‘s sister?

Me neither.

Shame on you.  You know every day is a new day, and what was said and done on other days is no longer relevant.  The daily fake news is to be formed to fit today's narrative, period.

Now if you want to bring something from the past into today's conversation, it's only valid if it support today's narrative, or smears an enemy of the ''progressive'' fascists - that's always welcome.

You need to apologize, and take it back.  Or be marked for re-education camp

Quote from: ItsOver on June 12, 2018, 06:24:10 PM
And now he's slumming in Kalifornia. 

Where the poor get to pay the lavish pensions of government workers taking early retirement

Quote from: AlternativeSide on June 12, 2018, 01:24:11 AM
It was more of a screeching noise ....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDADqhcpIok

Lol.  It's just what Art used to do

Quote from: Hog on June 11, 2018, 02:58:57 PM
I remember getting a notification via email...

This just isn't reliable enough to schedule time to listen live anymore.  And it's too bad.  Hopefully they'll continue to record and post them

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 12, 2018, 06:07:45 PM
It's shameful!

What kind of insensate subhuman filth would speak up or Iran?

Appeasers; America-haters; easily led followers of the fake news media; young, inexperienced, or just plain dumb people easily influenced by others in their bubble.  You know, the low information types who support Libs and Ds

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 12, 2018, 05:21:28 PM
More idiotic obfuscation...

Remember when Pud presented himself as not liking Trump for all the caricatures the fake news media ginned up?  He never admitted to preferring Obama, Hilary Clinton, and the Democrats, it was just an anti-Trump stance from a foreigner fairly disinterested in our politics.

Oh sure, he was clearly against guns, and just as clearly in favor of government controlled healthcare, but he passed that off as his culture - not that he was part of the loony left.

I think he forgot all that.  He seems quite partisan, and all-in for any silly thing the Ds and their accomplices in the fake news business come up with now.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 12, 2018, 05:06:36 PM

Only they didn't violate it...

Says who, the fake news media still propping up Obama?

The deal was terrible to begin with.  Military sites where nuclear weapons were being developed were off limits to inspectors.  Other facilities had to be given months of notice before inspections.  The ICBM program - missiles designed to deliver nuclear bombs to the US  - weren't included in the illegal ''treaty''.  There were side deals as part of the agreement, between Iran and the inspectors - that no one else was officially privy to (now why would Iran insist on that?)

There wasn't anything to violate, really, except the promises they weren't continuing the program at facilities that were off limits to inspectors.  In other words if there were violations, it would be unlikely anyone would know.  That was the point - any violations would likely be undetected.

And yet, despite your post, we did find out they were in fact violating the agreement anyway.  So just like Saddams's weapons of mass destruction, the facts have to be ignored, dismissed, lied about, and repeated endlessly that it didn't happen.

Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2018, 04:35:54 PM
Bush was in the first year of his Presidency during 9/11.  I blame Clinton for creating the environment that caused 9/11 to occur. Remember the USS Cole bombing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

I've already said that I'm not a fan of the second Iraq War for several reasons.  I am not a fan of the Bushes.

The first WTC bombing by bin Laden was during Bill Clinton's term.  Later when Sudan (!) offered to turn him over, he refused - the coward was concerned it might not be popular with his party (!).

Quote from: Gd5150 on June 12, 2018, 04:25:49 PM
Dedicated to all ignorant demokkkrat lemmings opposed to efforts to bring peace to the Korean Peninsula. Take a breath, let go of your obsessive hate. It’s ok to think for yourselves, really. Breath.

And a one and a two and a...


https://youtu.be/0yU0JuE1jTk

If this was Obama or Mrs Clinton, they'd be giving Kim everything he asked for and accepting nothing but future promises in return.  And the fake news media and all these posters would be swooning over it

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 12, 2018, 04:21:08 PM
Stick to your online train set Greg. You mean the fat kid values peace and what was that? Liberty?

Well, not as much as the appeasers in the Democrat Party and the EU.  Problem is, their polices not only don't work, they exacerbate problems - because they don't understand what the dictators do value, and what motivates them.

As for Kim Jong-Un, we'll see.  He may be in a position where something needs to change, before his regime collapses.  With Trump threatening China and Russia when it comes to trade with NK, perhaps that was enough to bring him to the table for talks.  No one knows what, if anything, will come of it (certainly not the Ds and the fake news media) but based on the preliminary meetings before the summit - involving a variety of people - he was worth talking to.

One thing is sure, the appeasers now out of power here in the US would be looking for ways to prop him up, without making him give up anything.  They have no idea what they're doing, but we still have to listen to them nay-say from the sidelines.  I guess that's better than watching them further endanger us.

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 12, 2018, 12:51:42 PM
I think the thing to remember here is that you're speaking rationally to a florid cunt who wants the entire North Korea dustup to go nuclear.

These vermin have so much irrational hatred for Trump that they'd gleefully queer the peace process just to fuel their own poisoned bile.

You can neither expect nor will you receive the slightest reasonable dialog with any of them.

You're seeing in real time the enemies of humanity sign in and demonstrate their collective sociopathy.

It's very sick, very twisted, very depressing.

Oh c'mon, you laughed a little when Shreddi was going on about what the Left knows about foreign policy that the Right doesn't, didn't you?  Go on, admit it