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#241
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 20, 2018, 12:24:05 PM
Quote from: TigerLily on June 20, 2018, 12:15:33 PM
What is happening at the border is unconscionable. Refugees seeking asylum with their children. Coming here to protect their children. Forcibly separated from their children. Now hundreds, wait, thousands of traumatized children and babies in detention, forcibly taken from their parents...

You left out the part about Obama inviting them and creating this mess. 

Or the part about the judge ruling children MUST be released within a certain amount of time - which led the coyotes, cartel members, and gang members to kidnap children they could then claim as their own and be released within our country with them.  I don't blame the Ds for this unintended consequence of their reckless actions, but I do blame them for exploiting it for political purposes instead of helping fix it.

#242
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 20, 2018, 12:19:56 PM
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 20, 2018, 12:01:40 PM
Get back to your virtual trainset you stupid mong.  You haven't won anything since you tripped up the kid in the egg and spoon race. Oh, he didn't need to sign anything to stop this; It isn't law. It's Trump/Sessions policy as promised by Trump. So presumably you support pre-school kids being taken terrified from their parents? I suppose you have to, otherwise you're not a twue trumtard.

Crickets?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/strict-immigration-rules-drive-families-apart-by-separating-british-children-from-their-parents-10492226.html     
#243
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Art Bell
June 20, 2018, 11:45:46 AM
Quote from: Metron2267 on June 20, 2018, 08:45:56 AM
So what if he DID commit suicide?

WTF does that change in this world?

Anything?

At all?

????? :o

If it's public information, there's a reason for that and we're entitled to it.

Of all the BS we heard from Art, it would be nice to have something we can actually believe at the end
#244
Quote from: Happier Times are Coming on June 20, 2018, 11:36:28 AM
I predict his sister, who hasn’t wanted to see him in 30 years, will have plenty of time to plan a vacation
business trip
home remodel...

Did the sister not visit her mother in all that time, or did she ask Falkie to not come over when she was here?

Does she know Kathy, or been told of her?

Will Kathy be going with Falkie (assuming she can beg for her own airfare)?

Will they be staying at Falkie's sister's home, or be begging for hotel accommodation funding?

If they do successfully beg for funds, will there be refunds when things don't go as promised?
#245
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 20, 2018, 11:37:37 AM
Quote from: Gd5150 on June 20, 2018, 11:31:16 AM
Trump wins again. After 5 day’s of demokkkrat media orgasms and fake outrage over immigration laws and policies that have been on the books since 1997, Trump announces he’s going to put together an executive order to tackle the problem that demokkkrat leader Chuck Schumer refuses to do his job over...

Yeah but we have Pud to give us the head's up regarding the next fake outrage we're all supposed to be mad at Trump about
#247
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 20, 2018, 11:10:15 AM
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 20, 2018, 08:25:03 AM
... Anyone who can remember what they felt like when they got lost in a crowd and separated from their parents even briefly...

Lol, Pud's parents kept trying to give him the slip, but he always got back to the car first
#248
Quote from: brig on June 20, 2018, 01:57:11 AM
Well, again, I managed to stay awake for the entire show.  It was annoyingly amusing yet again.

You know there are some podcasts and things on YouTube that are actually interesting and well done, right?
#249
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 20, 2018, 07:20:56 AM
Quote from: starramus on June 20, 2018, 05:09:05 AM
... Your sympathies are directed, and selective...

There's some irony for you
#250
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 20, 2018, 07:18:21 AM
Quote from: starramus on June 20, 2018, 05:09:05 AM
Why is no one crying about the kids actually being killed in Yemen, and Syria, and Gaza? Remember those 9 boys gathering firewood on the hillside in Afghanistan? https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/world/asia/03afghan.html

Remember the 8 year old girl who bled to death from Trump's first op? As she laying dying she told her mother, "don't cry momma I will be alright". https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/01/yemen-strike-eight-year-old-american-girl-killed-al-awlaki

I can go on and on, but will keep this post short.

Your sympathies are directed, and selective. amerikkka's number one export is death!

No doubt your solution is to hand the country over to the people who would implement the same policies they implemented in Venezuela.  Because the kids are doing so well there.  The ''Progressives'' who run our big cities have created stunning levels of crime and poverty in our inner cities.  Of course none of that affects the kids there.  The Far Left darling of Hamas and others using children as human shields is of course perfectly legit.

Your post is a psych-op, a few very unfortunate events used to try to present our security policy as something other than what it is.  Your solution would be to step back and let the worse people in the world have their way - people who are friends and allies of the Far Left, like ISIS.
   

You know, I'd be for Marxism too, except for the way bad luck seems to follow them around.  The Soviet Union had poor harvests caused by bad weather for 70 years straight.  So did China under Mao, Cuba under Castro, and so on.  It's so strange that every year the North Koreans have such unlucky weather when right across the border in South Korea the weather is always perfect for growing their crops. 

It's uncanny.  The odds tell us Marxism is poised for an extended streak of good luck when it comes to farming, fishing, production and so on, and when it does we should certainly be participating in the abundance.
#251
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 20, 2018, 07:00:22 AM
Quote from: 14 on June 20, 2018, 04:11:42 AM
Well, I don't mean to bother you again, but in my circles, people are appalled at how much athletes area paid.  Same with top execs in all fields, including healthcare, education, and nonprofits.

Fourteen

My post was not about overpaid athletes, it was about the media and why they weren't reporting on pay disparities within teams the way they do with pay within corporations.
#252
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 20, 2018, 12:36:59 AM
Quote from: Metron2267 on June 19, 2018, 09:42:25 PM
You totally get the scale, which is why you know that no single CEO can recapitalize a major corporation.

These sports talk radio stations are always desperate for content, yet they never tell us the QB is being paid X more then the average salary on the team.  Or that the players make far more than the rank and file employees working in the stadium, office, and clubhouse.

For preseason camp, NFL teams carry 90 players on the roster, which is whittled down to 53 when the season starts.  The guys they know are going to be cut make a pittance, and a lot of the guys who do make the team play for the league minimum or a little more.  A handful of stars make quite a bit.  Most of the money on multi-year contracts is not guaranteed

There aren't enough top QBs to go around.  Not every team has one.  Oakland's QB has had one good season - which ended in injury - and he signed a guaranteed contract for 5 years at $25 million per year.  The SF QB has yet to start a full season and signed a guaranteed 5 year contract for even more than that.

Yet despite these enormous contracts and this huge disparity between the QBs and the average pay for the 90 players on the team, it's never mentioned by the media.  Ever.  There are no breathless reporters going on about ''disparity'', ''greed'', or the end of civilization as we know it due to this gross injustice.


Why?  Because it's meaningless.  It's not really even a story.  And more importantly - the only difference between this and the endless stories about CEO pay - there are no political points to be scored, there is no trashing of the country to be done.
#253
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 19, 2018, 08:09:35 PM
I really don't think it is leftist spin. I'm pretty sure it's based on real numbers but these days I wouldn't be surprised if it was revealed to have been fudged in some way. As far as I know the wage discrepancy has grown drastically over the last few decades.

What's based on real numbers?  Again, it's the business of the shareholders. 

The spin comes from a statistic developed to create envy and thoughts of unfairness.  And support for Democrats who want to ''do something'' about it.  That's why it's put out there - with no explanation of why it might be other than ''greed'', and a system off the rails. 

The numbers themselves are of course likely skewed in order to make things look even ''worse'' than the reality, as all stats from the media are, but it's the interpretation that is their narrative - the government and socialism are good, private industry and capitalism are bad
#254
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 08:19:33 PM
Quote from: Metron2267 on June 19, 2018, 07:58:14 PM
That's a really key point, the board ( acting for those shareholders)  is charged with these decisions, chummy and collegial as they may be. Now we know board members are also other captains of industry ergo is the fox watching several hen houses?

Yes.

That's why shareholders/investors have proxies to vote.

Not perfect accountability, but it is what it is.

There's always going to be politics and bullshit and unfairness.  But in the end that job has to be done.

Managing a staff of VPs and directors jockeying for position.  Dealing with shareholders and the Board.  Community relations.  Media relations.  He or she is really ultimately responsible for the success of the company - long term and short term.

He or she is ultimately responsible for the financial results and filings, marketing strategies, sales, R&D, IT, HR, everything.  He or she is the top sales person, the top lobbyist, the face of the company.  Not to mention everything else that goes on in an organization.

It's easy to find accountants, admins, trade show reps, drivers, etc, who can be hired and up to speed in no time - but not good, seasoned CEOs. 

It's really the huge companies that pay what the media tells us is excess, but to that company it's a pittance in the overall scheme of things.  They may have hundreds of thousands of employees, that's why a $10 million bonus split between a handful of people is minimal, but a $10k bonus for every employee is a huge payout.
#255
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 08:06:29 PM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 19, 2018, 07:48:36 PM
I don't think I did. In fact, I explicitly stated that while some obscene wage discrepancy has gone on over the last couple decades that as long as that was fine with everyone financially involved in that venture it really is no one else's business.

Oh my bad.  I interpreted the typical Democrat ''obscene wage discrepancy'' talking point to be an implied criticism
#256
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 19, 2018, 07:59:12 PM
... The only way this ludicrous extravaganza had half a chance of being pulled off was if Curtis or another grown up went with him. Held all the money, held all the tickets, and had the restrictions in huge letters for Senda to have no excuse to not know-as in not a good enough wi-fi t broadcast live...

And it would still be vapid talentless dreck
#257
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 07:43:43 PM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 19, 2018, 06:52:40 PM
I'm nosey.

That's fine, but don't imply there is something evil going on, or the government needs to step in
#258
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 07:41:12 PM
Quote from: 14 on June 19, 2018, 02:17:32 PM
What you call economics is only one type of economic theory...

Capitalism isn't a theory, it's an explanation of how the world works when it comes to the production and distribution of goods and services.

All it is is people producing goods and services for themselves and others, and trading the excess for what others produce.  That's it.  Sometimes that means combining forces and creating a company to utilize the talents and experience of various people.  Sometimes it means filling a need someone else has, in the form of a job. 

When government tries to stifle production or trade, it goes on anyway - smuggling and the black market.


Socialism isn't really a theory, it's the heavy hand of government forcing people to do what they say instead of what individuals deem best for themselves and their families.  Of course some people benefit when goods and services are taken from others and provided free or at greatly reduced prices.  But overall, the system fails.


Wealth is created when work is done, and when goods and services are freely traded.  The more trade, the more wealth in generated.  Because everyone entering into a trade freely benefits from the trade.  The person buying the $3 loaf of bread is better off with the bread than in keeping the $3, and the baker is better off with the $3.  And everyone down the line profited and was left better off - the person providing the seeds, fertilizer, and farm machinery, the farmer, the miller, the person transporting the wheat, and the baker.

Stagnation begins when government steps in and regulates, eliminates, or taxes work and trade.  Which is why places like resource poor Hong Kong, Singapore, and Japan thrive, and many resource rich countries are impoverished.
#259
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 07:40:14 PM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 19, 2018, 07:02:17 PM
Breaking News: Earlier today pud was escorted from Bellgab.

Lol.  So he didn't cry himself to sleep over 2 years olds being torn from their parents and thrown into concentration camps?
#260
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 07:13:57 PM
Quote from: 14 on June 19, 2018, 02:24:01 PM
Metro - SOMEone crashed the economy in 2008, and it wasn't people on food stamps doing it.

That's correct.  Bill Clinton's HUD director said poor people should be able to get mortgages too, so he lowered the standards for mortgages qualified to be purchased by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from loan originators.  It didn't matter that they wouldn't be able to pay them back in a downturn

Goldman Sachs bought subprime mortgages, chopped them up, and repackaged them as AAA rated mortgage backed securities.   Which is clearly fraud.  Then bet on housing prices collapsing

Various swaps were also oversold and flooded the market.  Think of them as insurance against losing the value of a stock, bond, or having the dividends or interest not be paid.  As with any type of insurance, people should only be allowed to buy them if they own the underlying assets.  Instead, any speculator can by swaps, and when the market tanked they all had to be paid off - bankrupting issuers and financial institutions holding the other side. 

Cuomo set the overpriced housing and bad debt bubbles into motion, and Goldman sparked the crisis.


Obama and Eric Holder made it a point to say Goldman and Goldman executives would not be prosecuted, and Cuomo and Clinton won't be for obvious reasons.  To date, very little has been done about swap derivatives in the market and available to anyone
#261
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 06:50:52 PM
Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 19, 2018, 02:41:19 PM
It's been a constant refrain over the last couple decades: Historical compensation levels while taking the company through their historically worst economic performance. Still, I suppose if it's alright with everyone financially involved then so be it if they want to be the jackasses who drive it into the ground.

Also, business owners and CEOs used to regularly reinvest in their own operations. Maybe it's that common sense that's lacking today.

Small businesses and startups ARE funded by their owners.  As far as large, publicly traded corporations, why would a CEO fund the company he is hired to run?  Often much of his compensation is in the form of company stock, and no one should be over-weighted in one investment - which is already the case and would be more so if he bought more shares. 

And by the way, buying more shares would come from current shareholders, not newly issued company stock.  If the actual owners, the shareholders need more funding the company can borrow or issue new shares - there is no need for the CEO to provide it.


Also, the economy - and stock market, which measures the value of the companies you're talking about  - have exploded over the past 35 years.  Yes, even including two major busts, and several recessions.


And third, it's up to the company shareholders to determine CEO pay.  CEOs have a certain skillset that is difficult to find, and there aren't enough good ones to go around.  That's why pay is so high.  Don't like it, don't invest in that company's stock.  Otherwise it really isn't anyone's business.
#262
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: 14 on June 19, 2018, 02:17:32 PM
... Look I don't have the time to devote to this.  It is a well-known fact many CEOs exploit their positions while hurting taxpayers....

Out of literally millions of incorporated businesses in this country, not to mention partnerships and very small unincorporated businesses.

It's also a well know fact that thousands of political entities across the country at all levels are corrupt, unresponsive, unaccountable, and waste a fairly significant percentage of the country's wealth.  At least businesses create and provide goods and services we want and need.  The governmental agencies produce far less, and at a much higher cost for useful output.  Corruption is rampant.

For some reason though, we have a significant percent of the population who believe government is ''public service'', and business is ''greed''.  And the fake news media supports that view, so we get very skewed ''journalism'' on the topic
#263
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 02:17:40 PM
Quote from: 14 on June 19, 2018, 02:06:06 PM
Was it not mentioned in paragraph 4?  Well, I saw that.  Is that what they call a trigger?  It's just that I think I've heard you diss citizen welfare so much, without ever admitting corporate welfare.  Anyhow. :-\

Fourteen

Yes, flooding our welfare system is part of why the Ds want these people to come here.  But the post wasn't about that, other than in passing.  So you're right, it's a trigger word for you.

If you don't believe me, read up on the Cloward-Piven strategy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy 


And as someone else mentioned, much (most?) of what is included in ''corporate welfare'' is simply allowing companies to deduct their expenses before arriving at taxable income.  The dishonest media doesn't actually bring that up though, they just lump it in with the (far fewer) trigger items, knowing most people are economically illiterate, trust them when they write something, and assume few will ask for details
#264
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 02:11:03 PM
Quote from: 14 on June 19, 2018, 01:47:40 PM
Well, thanks for the research...but...Dear, those 75,000 large corporations hire in Pakistan, Nicaragua, the Caribbean, India, and wherever else.  Sure, it sounds like 75,000 large corporations might have 75,000,000 employees... but those employees aren't here anymore.  NAFTA, CAFTA, AND THAT OTHER ONE. 

Also, you and I define corporate welfare differently.  I could be wrong, but I think subsidies are exempt from corporate income tax, too.

Have you seen how little jobs are paying.  We had to make a law here to stop employers from getting supervisors to basically work for free, in the form of what really amounted to constant unpaid overtime.  And, those are the "good" jobs.

To get high-paying jobs, you usually end up with massive student loans.  If you don't pay them, they exponentially grow.  I know an attorney who was still paying them off late in life.  And student loans will be the next bailout, after they screw all the little people first I suppose.  And the CEOs will walk away richer, richer than ever before.

MANY of the corporations you cite are small businesses with less than 50 employees who are exempt from many labor laws, usually hire part-timers, and pay minimum wage.  Except a slightly higher wage for "supervisors" who end up working huge unpaid overtime.  Or taking work home.  I have seen it all the time.

I don't really have the wherewithal to discuss politics for very much time, and I'm probably not knowledgeable to "prove" anything.  But, I know unfair, biased paradigms when I see them.

Everyone has bias.  I have bias, much to my own dismay.  It's common to attribute good results to a person or organization we emotionally support.  But that is irrational when the facts show otherwise.  We also give way more latitude to someone we like.  But if someone we don't like is having a bad day, we judge them harshly.  I appreciate the objective statistics you provided, because numbers are accurate in ways that opinions just aren't.

Number Fourteen

So what is your ultimate point?  That this is a complete and accurate view of Capitalism, so we should turn our country over to the Far Left Marxists? Before we do, let's check out a few countries like Nicaragua and Venezuela to see how their ideas work in practice.

Yes, after eight years of Obama things stagnated and flaws that were unaddressed worsened.  What did you expect when you voted for a Marxist trying to destroy the country, a man who's worldview is completely wrong? Even the Democrats admitted as much after they lost, although as a party they now seem to have renounced any thought of reverting back to representing the middle class. 
#265
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 01:55:53 PM
Quote from: Gd5150 on June 19, 2018, 01:22:03 PM
Save the children!



This reminds me of the time the Palestinians were caught shooting their own kids and telling the media the Israelis did it.

One really can't accuse the Left of being more vile than what they actually are.  Party First!
#266
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 01:48:41 PM
Quote from: 14 on June 19, 2018, 01:29:02 PM
Absolutely not, otherwise your post would have been balanced.  It is unbalanced to debate welfare without mentioning corporate subsidies and welfare.  The amount CEOs "steal" prior to bankrupting their businesses and laying everyone off, is an amount that could probably support most of the employees as a group for a couple of years.  So, they could put that money back into the organization and stop being so greedy for their own wallet.  Then, within a couple of years, the company would be doing fine again. 

While "giving" food and medicine to the (working) poor and money to low-income parents may be considered bad by some, it is FAR more unethical to rack up profits, rake them in, and then siphon them off knowing it will result in layoffs and welfare, knowing the business will be bailed out at government expense.

Fourteen's Mother

My post was about the fake news media, who they are, what their agenda is, and how that applies to the grossly dishonest ''reporting'' about the children of illegal immigrants supposedly being put in concentration camps.  That's why you didn't see anything about corporate welfare in it.  It wasn't remotely relevant to the post

But thank you for your post.  You, Pud, Tiger Lily, and the others do the rest of us a great service in posting comments.  It provides great insight into how it is we get the politicians and government we have, and helps us understand how it is the fake news media is as effective as it is.
#267
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: Up All Night on June 19, 2018, 12:22:31 PM
All of this screaming and crying and bellyaching over the treatment of the illegal immigrant "children" by all of the liberal MSM, and the Rinos, is NOTHING but just another wedge attack against the Non-Globalist President Trump.

They tried the "Russia" angle, the Stormy angle, and now they're trying "OH woe is me.... THE CHILDREN!!" angle.

SORRY, won't work. Trump is immune to your cackling Bullshit.

America cannot be great with a stream of poor children from Central America.

Just MORE reason for the Fucking Wall to be built!!!!!!!!

No Weapon formed against Trump by anyone shall prosper!

Trump needs to start pummeling Mexico's government.

They are the ones encouraging and enabling Mexicans to come here, and they are the ones enabling Central Americans to travel through their country to ours.  It's an invasion, and should be treated as an act of war.

Mexico has benefited greatly from NAFTA.  They are also far weaker economically and militarily.  They ought to be reminded of all this.  Bluntly.
#268
Radio and Podcasts / Re: Kingdom of Nye
June 19, 2018, 12:19:49 PM
Listening to Heater, she projects the attitude that she's something special in the radio world.  Confidence is one thing, arrogance is another. 

Then there's misplaced arrogance.  It's an odd feeling listening to someone with complete lack of actual talent projecting the attitude she does.  There's something falkie-esque about it,  It tends to generate posts like the ones we see here and on his thread.

#269
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 12:13:58 PM
Quote from: 14 on June 19, 2018, 11:55:52 AM
Corporate welfare is STILL welfare.  When CEO pack in millions while depleting American jobs in favor of going bankrupt or off-shoring.  So many subsidies.  So many bailouts.  Can you see it?  I mean, farmers paid NOT to grow crops?  That's definitely welfare!

Fourteen

If you're asking me if I support any of that, I don't.  We should ensure our products and services are not unfairly discriminated against by countries who want to export their goods here, and we should actively discourage companies from exporting jobs.  I don't think any companies or farmers should be getting bailouts or subsidies.

I do think it's up to companies to decide who to hire to be CEO and how much to pay them.  But in general, huge companies are run for the benefit of the executives, just as unions are run for the benefit of union executives, government agencies are run for the benefit of the agency executives, and so on.  Not sure what to do about that.  Perhaps if we had an honest media, actually interested in investigative journalism rather than ''progressive'' political activism, they could investigate and report on this.  As it stands, the narrative would be limited to ''greedy corporations''.
#270
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 19, 2018, 12:05:57 PM
Quote from: 14 on June 19, 2018, 11:55:52 AM
Corporate welfare is STILL welfare.  When CEO pack in millions while depleting American jobs in favor of going bankrupt or off-shoring.  So many subsidies.  So many bailouts.  Can you see it?  I mean, farmers paid NOT to grow crops?  That's definitely welfare!

Fourteen

Did you see anything about any of that in my post?
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