President Donald J. Trump

[Value Of Pi]

There is lots of talk over time about this, some teenage fumblings in the back seat with fascism/corporatism, socialism/communism, but the real thing will be taking the "people" out of it, at least, in theory from the lower aspects. Common people, even countries, are archaic due to the globalization and speed of information. A technocratic type of system is all the rage these days in higher circles, I'm told (which actually is an older theory but now with greater advances in technology maybe more realistic and even usurp the stage of technocrat human leaders overseeing finance and government, as they try in Europe, etc, and straight to computers and AI) Scary thoughts when it goes bad.

Brave New World, in short. It would be another case of science fiction becoming reality. Amazing to see the power that computer/digital technology has with young people, most of whom don't seem to recognize the threat, only the benefits.

[SciFiAuthor]

With all due respect to SFA, I thought I had heard or read this idea somewhere before.  (It's pretty profound and I would be very impressed if SFA came up with it himself.)

It's been awhile since I have heard the end of capitalism seriously discussed. That, together with Putin's ongoing campaign for a new Russia (a lot like the previous Russia) really brings back the old days.

I didn't originate it lol. I just sharpened it, though I'm sure others have too. The concept was put forth by John Maynard Keynes in the 1930's but he didn't connect it to communism. He believed that the human race would simply go unemployed through technological unemployment and left it at that. In his view, what he termed as "man's economic problem" would be solved forever, stating that economy started when man began to try to save time through making and trading tools. Eventually those tools would become so advanced that all of man's time would be saved and thusly humans would be permanently unemployed. You can already see signs of this occurring as people like Carlos Slim and half of silicon valley talk about making a 4 day work week the new standard.

That got me thinking about the sheer power of technology. It's not just manufacturing that you can theoretically automate, but almost anything. A computer, eventually, will be better at almost any human job, save hopefully science fiction writer. A computer has the potential power to be a more objective, faster scientist. It can be a better economist than a human. It can flip burgers better. They can probably even govern humans better than we can ... eventually.

So I did a thought experiment wondering what sort of social upheaval the phenomenon of technological unemployment would cause as it progresses. Since capitalism is driven by an inherent desire to maximize profits, added to it the fact that automation will always outstrip human labor in ability and efficiency once automation became technologically possible and economically viable, I realized that capitalism will force automation in order to seek higher profits. It will make sense to them to automate. But, to sell product, one still needs a buyer. In an economy where buyers are going unemployed and onto the dole due to machines being better at those jobs than humans, then the market dries up and the corporations go out of business. The problem is systemic.

Since you need infrastructure and manufacturing for people to live, government will have no choice but to nationalize those failing corporations to keep society running. It's at that point that you essentially have a utopian communist society whether you wanted one or not. Marx and Engels were right, just in the wrong way. They believed that social factors would bring about communism. In fact it will be technological factors and indeed the capitalist will hang himself with his own rope because he has no real choice. And I say that as a capitalist.

But it will be a short-lived state of affairs. As James Burke points out, with the advent of nanotechnology the means of production will then move from the government to the individual via home nanofactories that can basically 3d print anything you need to live. It's at that point that the world becomes some sort of quasi-libertarian Star Trek-like utopia.

[mikuthing01]

For me pigs are also very dirty animals, saw pigs eating rats also, and eating their own very young babies /that were alive/.
My dislike of pigs has nothing to do with the Bible, just by observing diet of particular animal is enough for me to make my choice.
If God in the Bible said that pork is best thing ever to eat ,I would not eat as well--based on what I observed.
Besides pork has very low nutritional value compared to more expensive beef,buffalo,deer,elk, or sheep or yaks meat.
I did eat pork in the past but stopped many years ago. Don't like the smell of it when frying, just chokes me...

Yeah pigs are fucking disgusting, wild game is fucking disgusting too though. I helped a friend gut a deer once and i thought the worst part would be the blood and guts cause i don't like that kinda stuff. But that part ended up being ok but i couldn't get over how the deer smelled like SHIT like it had been rolling in it and i can never erase it from my mind.

[Dr. MD MD]

Aren't you the chicks with dicks expert? 

[norland2424]

Aren't you the chicks with dicks expert? 

your the one that wants to have sex with one, and if two shirtless men holding each other on a horse isnt gay...?

[theONE]

Yeah pigs are fucking disgusting, wild game is fucking disgusting too though. I helped a friend gut a deer once and i thought the worst part would be the blood and guts cause i don't like that kinda stuff. But that part ended up being ok but i couldn't get over how the deer smelled like SHIT like it had been rolling in it and i can never erase it from my mind.

I went with a friend bear hunting and assisted him in gutting it, when the bear was on his back and was cut open
it look like a freaking human ...very strange feeling looking at it, lol

[Autistic Star Children]

we voted for America to be great again and for the loud mouths to shut the fuck up. Problem was, in losing the loud mouths got even louder and refused to shut the fuck up.

Something else they refused to do is get a job. 

so if you're still going around and complaining about not getting your way, you're a cuck. a fucking cuck. nobody likes a cuck.

#MAGA #doityourself #nofreebies #pullyourfuckingweight

[Dr. MD MD]

your the one that wants to have sex with one

Source? 

[Dr. MD MD]

if two shirtless men holding each other on a horse isnt gay...?

Not...necessarily...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mny8FPpscR4

[norland2424]

Source? 

didnt you like some political video with one in it a few days ago?

[Dr. MD MD]

didnt you like some political video with one in it a few days ago?

So, if I like a video made by a tranny that means I want to have sex with them?! 

[Evil Twin Of Zen]

There is lots of talk over time about this, some teenage fumblings in the back seat with fascism/corporatism, socialism/communism, but the real thing will be taking the "people" out of it, at least, in theory from the lower aspects. Common people, even countries, are archaic due to the globalization and speed of information. A technocratic type of system is all the rage these days in higher circles, I'm told (which actually is an older theory but now with greater advances in technology maybe more realistic and even usurp the stage of technocrat human leaders overseeing finance and government, as they try in Europe, etc, and straight to computers and AI) Scary thoughts when it goes bad.

[norland2424]

So, if I like a video made by a tranny that means I want to have sex with them?! 

you liked her from what i remeber and thought she was the bellgabber that posted the vid

[Dr. MD MD]

you liked her from what i remeber and thought she was the bellgabber that posted the vid

Yeah, I thought the guy who posted it was her because his avatar is a picture of her...and? 

[Value Of Pi]

I didn't originate it lol. I just sharpened it, though I'm sure others have too. The concept was put forth by John Maynard Keynes in the 1930's but he didn't connect it to communism. He believed that the human race would simply go unemployed through technological unemployment and left it at that. In his view, what he termed as "man's economic problem" would be solved forever, stating that economy started when man began to try to save time through making and trading tools. Eventually those tools would become so advanced that all of man's time would be saved and thusly humans would be permanently unemployed. You can already see signs of this occurring as people like Carlos Slim and half of silicon valley talk about making a 4 day work week the new standard.

That got me thinking about the sheer power of technology. It's not just manufacturing that you can theoretically automate, but almost anything. A computer, eventually, will be better at almost any human job, save hopefully science fiction writer. A computer has the potential power to be a more objective, faster scientist. It can be a better economist than a human. It can flip burgers better. They can probably even govern humans better than we can ... eventually.

So I did a thought experiment wondering what sort of social upheaval the phenomenon of technological unemployment would cause as it progresses. Since capitalism is driven by an inherent desire to maximize profits, added to it the fact that automation will always outstrip human labor in ability and efficiency once automation became technologically possible and economically viable, I realized that capitalism will force automation in order to seek higher profits. It will make sense to them to automate. But, to sell product, one still needs a buyer. In an economy where buyers are going unemployed and onto the dole due to machines being better at those jobs than humans, then the market dries up and the corporations go out of business. The problem is systemic.

Since you need infrastructure and manufacturing for people to live, government will have no choice but to nationalize those failing corporations to keep society running. It's at that point that you essentially have a utopian communist society whether you wanted one or not. Marx and Engels were right, just in the wrong way. They believed that social factors would bring about communism. In fact it will be technological factors and indeed the capitalist will hang himself with his own rope because he has no real choice. And I say that as a capitalist.

But it will be a short-lived state of affairs. As James Burke points out, with the advent of nanotechnology the means of production will then move from the government to the individual via home nanofactories that can basically 3d print anything you need to live. It's at that point that the world becomes some sort of quasi-libertarian Star Trek-like utopia.

It's a fascinating type of scenario which is usually handled, one way or another, in SF as a man versus machine story. So my question is, what happens in reality when corporations start to see that their friends in cutting costs and increasing efficiency, automation and AI, are becoming the enemy?

When their customers aren't able to buy their products and services, they'll be forced to adapt in order to survive. On the one hand, technological development can't be stopped. But given the motivation corporations will have, I have to believe it could be waylaid or diverted off course. No class of rich and powerful people just gives up without a fight.

[norland2424]

Yeah, I thought the guy who posted it was her because his avatar is a picture of her...and? 

lol nothing

[Evil Twin Of Zen]

you liked her from what i remeber and thought she was the bellgabber that posted the vid

what? 

[norland2424]

what? 

lol

[Evil Twin Of Zen]

It's a fascinating type of scenario which is usually handled, one way or another, in SF as a man versus machine story. So my question is, what happens in reality when corporations start to see that their friends in cutting costs and increasing efficiency, automation and AI, are becoming the enemy?

When their customers aren't able to buy their products and services, they'll be forced to adapt in order to survive. On the one hand, technological development can't be stopped. But given the motivation corporations will have, I have to believe it could be waylaid or diverted off course. No class of rich and powerful people just gives up without a fight.

then there's the Borg...

[JesusJuice]

Yeah, I thought the guy who posted it was her because his avatar is a picture of her...and? 

Surprise! I've actually been Miley Cyrus this whole time!

[norland2424]

Surprise! I've actually been Miley Cyrus this whole time!

not you, evil twin of zens avatar lol

[Evil Twin Of Zen]

Surprise! I've actually been Miley Cyrus this whole time!

Reported

[mikuthing01]

Surprise! I've actually been Miley Cyrus this whole time!

show us your pussy with a time stamp

[Evil Twin Of Zen]

not you, evil twin of zens avatar lol

i feel so objectified. 

[Evil Twin Of Zen]

show us your pussy with a time stamp

they have expiration dates? 

[JesusJuice]

This is now a trap thread. Post your favorite traps. I'll start.

[Dr. MD MD]

Surprise! I've actually been Miley Cyrus this whole time!

Back to hell with you, demon! 

[norland2424]

i feel so objectified. 

haha dont worry young lady dr md md is a perfect gentleman

[mikuthing01]

This is now a trap thread. Post your favorite traps. I'll start.

[JesusJuice]

She's not really a trap. She just has Marfans.