The Affordable Care Act - also known as ObamaCare

[Yorkshire pud]

You write well, but you're an asshole - you sat here for weeks and ignored every moronic comment your buddy nitwit cast toward me, incessantly, even though I ignored the asslick, and you had nothing to say about it. Then when I said his avatar looks like a homo now its all a big controversy replete with idiots "coming out".

You're, an asshole, and that is why I treat you like one.

LOL..I've been called worse. Guess what? I don't give a shit, because you don't matter. His avatar wasn't controversial; you just happened to think it was (I'm still not sure how, but each to their own); and then Ben made his statement. I don't think that was controversial to be honest. How do you know I didn't say anything to the bricks being thrown around? You only know what you read in here. Ben is his own man, he certainly doesn't need me telling him what to type, nor would he reciprocate to anyone else.

[DanTSX]

Stop projecting.

My weiner is projecting

[DanTSX]

LOL..I've been called worse. Guess what? I don't give a shit, because you don't matter. His avatar wasn't controversial; you just happened to think it was (I'm still not sure how, but each to their own); and then Ben made his statement. I don't think that was controversial to be honest. How do you know I didn't say anything to the bricks being thrown around? You only know what you read in here. Ben is his own man, he certainly doesn't need me telling him what to type, nor would he reciprocate to anyone else.

My avatar is controversial. 

Obama sucks.

Bush sucked.

Obama sucks worse.

YorkshirePud sucks.

The Queen Sucks.

GNoory sucks the most.

[Quick Karl]

GNoory sucks the most.

Actually, GNoory would make a better President than the mole we have now.

Yes, really.

[Foodlion]

Actually, GNoory would make a better President than the mole we have now.

Yes, really.

I find that very offending to moles around the world. Please take it back!

[Quick Karl]

I find that very offending to moles around the world. Please take it back!

I, I, I just can't...

Oh wait.

Yeah, you're right.

Sorry moles.

[DanTSX]

Actually, GNoory would make a better President than the mole we have now.

Yes, really.

But that would mean that Hoagland would be VP

[Quick Karl]

But that would mean that Hoagland would be VP

Can't be any worse than Biden...

[Sambo]

Does anyone monitor the finances of the state to really comment with authority on this health care thing?  It's quite affordable. You're also getting gouged as it is by the so called free market sector of health care. Per capita, per state, per nation USA is by far the most expensive and does not provide the best quality of life.  So figure it out instead of making Obama a target. 50 to 300 years he will be revered for his initiative, unless we all go to hell in a handbag for believing in Capitalism absolute

[DanTSX]

Can't be any worse than Biden...

I'd vote for Hoagland in that case

[Quick Karl]

Does anyone monitor the finances of the state to really comment with authority on this health care thing?  It's quite affordable. You're also getting gouged as it is by the so called free market sector of health care. Per capita, per state, per nation USA is by far the most expensive and does not provide the best quality of life.  So figure it out instead of making Obama a target. 50 to 300 years he will be revered for his initiative, unless we all go to hell in a handbag for believing in Capitalism absolute

Obamacare is nothing more than the equivalent of Capone taking over a Moran neighborhood.

[DanTSX]

Does anyone monitor the finances of the state to really comment with authority on this health care thing?  It's quite affordable. You're also getting gouged as it is by the so called free market sector of health care. Per capita, per state, per nation USA is by far the most expensive and does not provide the best quality of life.  So figure it out instead of making Obama a target. 50 to 300 years he will be revered for his initiative, unless we all go to hell in a handbag for believing in Capitalism absolute

Stamping your feet and insisting that it's good enough for you doesn't mean that I want it or find it to have the features that best suit me. 

Is it truly "quite affordable" when you consider the entirety of deductibles and lifetime coverage limits?  Are you paying it?

Have you lived in the USA and another 1st world nation?

I don't understand how capitalism is the enemy in this.  You are really reaching to blame it for everything.  Favorite sports team loses?  Blame Capitalism.

[PB the Deplorable]

Does anyone monitor the finances of the state to really comment with authority on this health care thing?  It's quite affordable. You're also getting gouged as it is by the so called free market sector of health care. Per capita, per state, per nation USA is by far the most expensive and does not provide the best quality of life.  So figure it out instead of making Obama a target. 50 to 300 years he will be revered for his initiative, unless we all go to hell in a handbag for believing in Capitalism absolute

Making a problem worse isn't the right answer.  Just 'doing something' doesn't mean something will improve.  Saying it doesn't make it so, and neither does wishing or hoping.  To often the Congress puts out bills with fancy nice sounding titles, but the underlying legislation is terrible.  This is one of those times.  Affordable Care Act, my ass.

Do you know what the complaints about ObamaCare even are?   'Higher cost' is one of many.

To paraphrase a ridiculous comment someone once made about a village, "we had to destroy health care insurance in order to save it".


By the way, no one is suggesting 'Capitalism absolute'.   Maybe you haven't noticed the more government has gotten involved with health care over the years, the faster the costs have gone up.  Just like everything else they've ever touched.  That's what almost always happens the more government gets involved.  The plain fact is there is no incentive or mechanism to hold down costs like there is in the private sector.  Fraud, waste, abuse are much higher in a government agency than in a private sector company.

I don't know how you did it, but you've managed to miss the fact that the cost people's policies are going up dramatically.  You even claim the costs are coming down.  What do you base this on?  Hopefully not what Obama and Pelosi promised.

[DanTSX]

Making a problem worse isn't the right answer.  Just 'doing something' doesn't mean something will improve.  Saying it doesn't make it so, and neither does wishing or hoping.  To often the Congress puts out bills with fancy nice sounding titles, but the underlying legislation is terrible.  This is one of those times.  Affordable Care Act, my ass.

Do you know what the complaints about ObamaCare even are?   

To paraphrase a ridiculous comment someone made about a village, "we had to destroy health care insurance in order to save it".


By the way, no one is suggesting Capitalism absolute.   Maybe you haven't noticed the more government has gotten involved with health care over the years, the faster the costs have gone up.  Just like everything else they've ever touched.  That's what almost always happens the more government gets involved. 

I don't know how you did it, but you've managed to miss the fact that the cost people's policies are going up dramatically.  You even claim the costs are coming down.  What do you base this on?  Hopefully not what Obama and Pelosi promised.

Probably from Katherine Sebelius's testimony.

Don't forget all of the people being dropped from their policies that they were perfectly happy, or even dependent upon for being able to financially manage their health issues.

[Sambo]

I claimed costs are going down? Are you insane and blind?

[PB the Deplorable]

Probably from Katherine Sebelius's testimony.

Don't forget all of the people being dropped from their policies that they were perfectly happy, or even dependent upon for being able to financially manage their health issues.

socialism is a religion to these people, and Obama is their savior

[NowhereInTime]

Dude, I live and work in the San Francisco Bay Area.  I have gay friends and co-workers - everyone does.  We are very cosmopolitan here, I have friends that have come here from all over the world - and I tend to like most of them better than the people that grew up here.  I even married one.

That wasn't the question.

The question was:  why do the Libs and the Left think calling Conservatives 'gay' is an insult, and why do they think they are insulting Christians by telling them they are like the Moslems.  Because sure they like to talk about how much they support gay rights and misunderstood Moslems.

What everyone is missing is this is PB's way of equating pedophilia,  which is rape of children, with homosexuality, which is consenting sex between men.
haha,  PB. There's that gutbuster conservative humor again.
I have NEVER called Qunt Karl a "fag" or "gay". I have called him a pig raping pedophile who pays hookers to piss on while he masturbates through middle school yearbooks.
Please correct the record and please do not equate consensual sex with what Qunt Karl does. Thank you.

[PB the Deplorable]

I claimed costs are going down? Are you insane and blind?

Read through the following again, and you tell me. 

"... You're also getting gouged as it is by the so called free market sector of health care..."
"... Per capita, per state, per nation USA is by far the most expensive..."
"... unless we all go to hell in a handbag for believing in Capitalism absolute"


But when talking about ObamaCare:

"... It's quite affordable..."


If the point of your post wasn't that we were being ripped off by the old system, and would continue to be under a freer market, but ObamaCare would be lower, then I completely missed it.  What was it?

Does anyone monitor the finances of the state to really comment with authority on this health care thing?  It's quite affordable. You're also getting gouged as it is by the so called free market sector of health care. Per capita, per state, per nation USA is by far the most expensive and does not provide the best quality of life.  So figure it out instead of making Obama a target. 50 to 300 years he will be revered for his initiative, unless we all go to hell in a handbag for believing in Capitalism absolute

[PB the Deplorable]

What everyone is missing is this is PB's way of equating pedophilia,  which is rape of children, with homosexuality, which is consenting sex between men.
haha,  PB. There's that gutbuster conservative humor again.
I have NEVER called Qunt Karl a "fag" or "gay". I have called him a pig raping pedophile who pays hookers to piss on while he masturbates through middle school yearbooks.
Please correct the record and please do not equate consensual sex with what Qunt Karl does. Thank you.

What are you talking about?  First off I wasn't talking about you.  The post you quoted was my response to another poster who missed the point of my question.  A question I thought was very easy to understand.  There is nothing in that post or any of my posts that has anything to do with what you mentioned in your response to it.   You might want to read it again.

Second, RCD was the one heading in the direction of equating homosexuality and pedophilia in HIS post, as an apparent attempt at a joke or insult.


My question was very simple:  The Libs and the Left often talk about how sympathetic they are to LGBT issues and causes.  Yet they seem to think calling Conservatives 'gay' is among the highest of insults.  Why?



So consider the record corrected, although you'd have to ask RCD about his post.  And I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.

[Sambo]

Read through the following again, and you tell me. 

"... You're also getting gouged as it is by the so called free market sector of health care..."
"... Per capita, per state, per nation USA is by far the most expensive..."
"... unless we all go to hell in a handbag for believing in Capitalism absolute"


But when talking about ObamaCare:

"... It's quite affordable..."


If the point of your post wasn't that we were being ripped off by the old system, and would continue to be under a freer market, but ObamaCare would be lower, then I completely missed it.  What was it?

As a premised based argument I did not claim that costs are going down. You aren't even aware of what I meant by affordable so I'm not sure why you'd start to make assumptions before asking for clarification first

[DanTSX]

I claimed costs are going down?

wow

Stick to Canadian topics man.

Cost increases are exceeding all but the most doom and gloom predictions.

The Media up there makes up bigger whoppers about obamacare than ours does.

[DanTSX]

As a premised based argument I did not claim that costs are going down. You aren't even aware of what I meant by affordable so I'm not sure why you'd start to make assumptions before asking for clarification first

I think that is the failure of your argument. 

The value equation for every person is going to be individual to that person.

But costs are going up substantially, and people are losing coverage and benefits for no reason at all.   A losing proposition for all consumers.

[PB the Deplorable]

As a premised based argument I did not claim that costs are going down. You aren't even aware of what I meant by affordable so I'm not sure why you'd start to make assumptions before asking for clarification first

I don't understand what you mean.

Doesn't suggesting something is 'affordable' while at the same time saying other options are a 'gouge', 'expensive', and likely to take us 'to hell in a handbag' mean at minimum it costs less?   

[onan]

I don't understand what you mean.

Doesn't suggesting something is 'affordable' while at the same time saying other options are a 'gouge', 'expensive', and likely to take us 'to hell in a handbag' mean at minimum it costs less?

Any society that thinks 40 million unable to access appropriate health care is acceptable, deserves bankruptcy.

[PB the Deplorable]

Any society that thinks 40 million unable to access appropriate health care is acceptable, deserves bankruptcy.

No one ever advocated that.  And it was never the case. 

They really had to work at it to get a piece of legislation this unworkable and oppressive.  Somebody said something the other day that very well could turn out to be case.  They said this fiasco could be the end of Liberalism for at least a generation.

[Yorkshire pud]

No one ever advocated that.  And it was never the case. 

They really had to work at it to get a piece of legislation this unworkable and oppressive.  Somebody said something the other day that very well could turn out to be case.  They said this fiasco could be the end of Liberalism for at least a generation.

..and in 97 when Bliar was made Prime Minister, it was said quite seriously by political commentators they couldn't envisage the Conservatives ever being elected to lead the country again...all that changed in 2009...

[Sambo]

I don't understand what you mean.

Doesn't suggesting something is 'affordable' while at the same time saying other options are a 'gouge', 'expensive', and likely to take us 'to hell in a handbag' mean at minimum it costs less?

Affordable as a nation.

I'm assuming that the intent of all this is for greater accessibility to health care. Not the facade of greater accessibility.

You truly are a warring nation if you sit back silent over the last 15 years of defense bill spending, but cry murder over this. Not to mention all the corporate influenced publically sponsored Geo political regime changes over the last 100 years. That's assuming the invasion of Haiti in 1915 was the first.

[PB the Deplorable]

..and in 97 when Bliar was made Prime Minister, it was said quite seriously by political commentators they couldn't envisage the Conservatives ever being elected to lead the country again...all that changed in 2009...

After 8 years of scandal and 'Clinton Fatigue' at the end, some were predicting there would never be another Democrat elected President.  George W Bush saw to it that wasn't going to be the case.

We seem to ping pong back and forth between Big Government incompetent Democrats and Big Government feckless Republicans.  Both of which ultimately end up pissing off the swing voters.  It's hard to beat an incumbent, but the last time one party won 3 straight was Reagan, Reagan, Bush I.  The last time before that it was FDRs 4 terms and Truman.

[Juan]

I was just reading about a 40+ year study on happiness.  It finds that liberal men are the least happy of all groups.  Perhaps that explains half of the rage on this thread.

[PB the Deplorable]

... You truly are a warring nation if you sit back silent over the last 15 years of defense bill spending, but cry murder over this...

No doubt we get too involved in the affairs of other countries.  Iraq and Afghanistan were huge blunders.  When the country goes broke, they will have played a huge part.

If I thought ObamaCare, or nationalized healthcare would work well here, I'd be for it.  I don't, so I'm not.   It may be the best of several poor choices (nationalized health care, not ObamaCare - that's already a complete failure), but I think we should at least try a market based system first.