***BREAKING*** Explosion in NYC

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Translate the article that you posted, they say that it was hoax

Here's the key points of the article

This note is not specified where this incident took place, however, the idea is not far-fetched when you consider that for years is well known that several criminal cartels have business with the Middle East.

This has led many people to think that the real reason Isis put Mexico on the list of potential enemies, not really against the country, but against its cartels.

So the article says the cartels are doing business with Middle East entities and that ISIS is involved with beefing with the cartels. So there you go, from the only source you deem worthy. Do want to disregard it now because it wasn't double spaced or because the author used the word "the" too many times?

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Granted im sure they are coming thru the Mexican border, but thats a stretch to say that the cartels have become new wing of isis, the Mexican people are xenophobic as fuck, i mean that would be like someone saying that the kkk is arming boko harem.

I'm definitely not saying this. All I'm saying is there's a strong possibility ISIS elements are doing business with cartels and building a leadership structure down there. I don't know what the argument is about.

[norland2424]

Here's the key points of the article

So the article says the cartels are doing business with Middle East entities and that ISIS is involved with beefing with the cartels. So there you go, from the only source you deem worthy. Do want to disregard it now because it wasn't double spaced or because the author used the word "the" too many times?

You did read the whole article right? They say its hoax, the whole thing is opinion piece, until someone posts actual credible videos or sources that any cartel is having a gun battle with isis then ill believe it.

[norland2424]

I'm definitely not saying this. All I'm saying is there's a strong possibility ISIS elements are doing business with cartels and building a leadership structure down there. I don't know what the argument is about.

Im sure isis is using Mexican coyotes to hop the border, what i think is a stretch is that their massing in force inside of mexico to invade us, the simple reason being is that mexicans hate muslims too

[GuerrillaUnReal]

You did read the whole article right? They say its hoax, the whole thing is opinion piece, until someone posts actual credible videos or sources that any cartel is having a gun battle with isis then ill believe it.

The author is talking about why the hoax was so believable. He cites those two key points as reasons why it took off and went viral as a plausible hoax so quickly.

[chefist]

My buddy is a supervisor for CBP here at the Nogales station... confirmed many middle Eastern folks crossing...Korans litter the desert...Isis? You decide for yourself...we both have...

[norland2424]

My buddy is a supervisor for CBP here at the Nogales station... confirmed many middle Eastern folks crossing...Korans litter the desert...Isis? You decide for yourself...we both have...

Haven't heard anything like that from my buddies who work BP in new mexico and socal, alot of central Americans coming in tho.

[mikuthing01]

My buddy is a supervisor for CBP here at the Nogales station... confirmed many middle Eastern folks crossing...Korans litter the desert...Isis? You decide for yourself...we both have...

Time to order more ammo for the ammo fort ITS HAPPENING!

[norland2424]

The author is talking about why the hoax was so believable. He cites those two key points as reasons why it took off and went viral as a plausible hoax so quickly.

At this point we should be worried about people coming in thru the Canadian border, since that side is less regulated then the southern border.

[albrecht]

http://blogs.reuters.com/alison-frankel/files/2015/04/freemanvhsbc-hsbcMTD.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-announces-102-million-settlement-civil-forfeiture-and-money
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/opinion/how-bankers-help-drug-traffickers-and-terrorists.html?_r=0
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/12/focus-1
Both the Cartels and terrorist groups have lots of money and need ways to 'clean' it, transfer it, invest it, and park and hide it. It wouldn't surprise if some enterprising banker and lawyer, not necessarily in one of the big banks (though you can see in the above articles that they do business with them both) bring the parties to together on joint-ventures. The routes used are similar and there could be mutually beneficial trade between the same. But, as I mentioned, there also could be great cost if a lucrative drug route or banking relationship became cut-off or under scrutiny in the interests of national security or a crack-down.

[Jackstar]

Haven't heard anything like that from my buddies

I don't believe anyone talks to you.

[norland2424]

http://blogs.reuters.com/alison-frankel/files/2015/04/freemanvhsbc-hsbcMTD.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-announces-102-million-settlement-civil-forfeiture-and-money
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/opinion/how-bankers-help-drug-traffickers-and-terrorists.html?_r=0
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/12/focus-1
Both the Cartels and terrorist groups have lots of money and need ways to 'clean' it, transfer it, invest it, and park and hide it. It wouldn't surprise if some enterprising banker and lawyer, not necessarily in one of the big banks (though you can see in the above articles that they do business with them both) bring the parties to together on joint-ventures. The routes used are similar and there could be mutually beneficial trade between the same. But, as I mentioned, there also could be great cost if a lucrative drug route or banking relationship became cut-off or under scrutiny in the interests of national security or a crack-down.

You gotta remember that the biggest market for Mexican cartels is the American market, they don't give two shits about us but they live off American drug addicts.

[albrecht]

You gotta remember that the biggest market for Mexican cartels is the American market, they don't give two shits about us but they live off American drug addicts.

For sure and then European markets and there much of the traffic goes through African countries' channel that have heavy "radical" elements. And they also need, especially now in the destabilized plazas and government, access to weapons etc and sure they get some from the good old USA but not the military stuff (usually there have been cases) but from corrupt governments, international arms dealers, etc that often are linked to US programs and agencies somehow...or at minimum linked at the source to US, European, and Russian arms manufacturers who sell to 'legit' actors and then paperwork gets changed/lost and transfers occur.

[norland2424]

For sure and then European markets and there much of the traffic goes through African countries' channel that have heavy "radical" elements. And they also need, especially now in the destabilized plazas and government, access to weapons etc and sure they get some from the good old USA but not the military stuff (usually there have been cases) but from corrupt governments, international arms dealers, etc that often are linked to US programs and agencies somehow...or at minimum linked at the source to US, European, and Russian arms manufacturers who sell to 'legit' actors and then paperwork gets changed/lost and transfers occur.

Dont forget the ties that some cartels have with our DEA

[Value Of Pi]

http://blogs.reuters.com/alison-frankel/files/2015/04/freemanvhsbc-hsbcMTD.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-announces-102-million-settlement-civil-forfeiture-and-money
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/03/opinion/how-bankers-help-drug-traffickers-and-terrorists.html?_r=0
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/12/focus-1
Both the Cartels and terrorist groups have lots of money and need ways to 'clean' it, transfer it, invest it, and park and hide it. It wouldn't surprise if some enterprising banker and lawyer, not necessarily in one of the big banks (though you can see in the above articles that they do business with them both) bring the parties to together on joint-ventures. The routes used are similar and there could be mutually beneficial trade between the same. But, as I mentioned, there also could be great cost if a lucrative drug route or banking relationship became cut-off or under scrutiny in the interests of national security or a crack-down.

Islamic terrorists and Mexican cartels working together? I find this as far-fetched as Catwoman teaming up with the Joker and the Penguin. Sure, you can draw it up that way (it sells comic books) but it's just not going to work out.

[aldousburbank]

Multiple bombs go off in NY/NJ
An Alabama pipe line blows up
And a guy goes on a stabbing spree in Minnesota
All in the same day...

That doesn't rhyme.

[Robert]

20-some years ago an old FBI guy who used to be called on frequently at the NY Junto as an expert on stuff said we'd be surprised at the # of bombings reported annually in the USA.  It was in the hundreds.  It was in the context of discussing either the Unabomber or the WTC or maybe OKC.  So it's hard for me to tell how much above the normal course of "business" we are with these recent ones.

[albrecht]

Islamic terrorists and Mexican cartels working together? I find this as far-fetched as Catwoman teaming up with the Joker and the Penguin. Sure, you can draw it up that way (it sells comic books) but it's just not going to work out.

So those banking settlements and sanctions I posted never happened? No money laundering goes on? What about these?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/lebanese-drug-lord-charged-in-us-links-to-zetas-and-hezbollah/
https://www.dea.gov/divisions/hq/2016/hq020116.shtml
I mean, I guess, your theory that all government(s) agencies and the press is all in collusion in some kind of disinformation campaign but why would the banks etc actually plead out and pay fines? (I guess in some elaborate theory to help promote the big lie?) You conspiracy people types can only go so far!

[Big Chicken]

But wait.   There is more [well maybe]

More pipe bombs found

[GuerrillaUnReal]

That doesn't rhyme.

I've come to enjoy your sense of humor more and more over time.

[Value Of Pi]

So those banking settlements and sanctions I posted never happened? No money laundering goes on? What about these?
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/lebanese-drug-lord-charged-in-us-links-to-zetas-and-hezbollah/
https://www.dea.gov/divisions/hq/2016/hq020116.shtml
I mean, I guess, your theory that all government(s) agencies and the press is all in collusion in some kind of disinformation campaign but why would the banks etc actually plead out and pay fines? (I guess in some elaborate theory to help promote the big lie?) You conspiracy people types can only go so far!

I'm sure the money laundering charges are legit, but there's a difference between banks being involved with a variety of criminals and terrorists, and those bad guys working directly together with each other on things like smuggling and infiltrating terrorists into the U.S. The latter.seems very unlikely, unless there's proof, not just rumors.

[(Sandman) Logan-5]

For those interested:

https://www.fbi.gov/resources/library    <-- FBI reports on crime, fraud, and terrorism.

http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/tost_3.html    <-- criminal source-book statistics - scroll down to bombing incidents.

Worst terrorist strikes in the United States compiled by Wm. Robert Johnston - last updated 9 September 2016

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/wrjp255us.html

Hell, there's even a wikipedia entry already.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_New_Jersey_explosion  from  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Explosions_in_the_United_States

http://www.nfpa.org/news-and-research/fire-statistics-and-reports/fire-statistics/fires-in-the-us/multiple-death-fires/deadliest-fires-and-explosions-in-us-history  Note: the great Chicago fire listed in this link happened the same night as the Peshtigo fire - also listed. The heat from the Peshtigo fire was so intense that people seeking shelter in the river even died. No oxygen and air temperatures in the hundreds to perhaps approaching a thousand degrees.   http://www.peshtigofire.info/

Realtime updates:  http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/explosions/

[bateman]

https://twitter.com/nydailynews/status/777712389131210752

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Bombs found again in New Jersey

BOMB FOUND IN ELIZABETH NEW JERSEY

POLICE RESPONDED AND TRAILED SUSPICIOUS VEHICLE

5 ARRESTS MADE

GET IN HERE

WEAPONS CACHE FOUND IN CAR PULLED OVER BY POLICE

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/federal-agents-arrest-people-linked-chelsea-bombing-article-1.2797378?utm_content=buffer7892e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDailyNewsTw

[bateman]

https://twitter.com/pzf/status/777724470823907328

[norland2424]

Now its time to send these idiots to a cia blacksite so we can get info

[Dr. MD MD]

Now its time to send these idiots to a cia blacksite so we can get info

You just can't wait to indulge in some more testicular electrocution, can you?  :

[GuerrillaUnReal]

So that totally isn't an ISIS cell or anything.

...What stupid jahoodis though. Really poorly made bombs, didn't cause any damage and they had at least five people. Wonder why these chose such a pussy way to Allah Akbar when they would have been so much more effective walking into a festival with a couple of assault rifles. Now they're going to sit in a federal supermax for a 20 years and didn't accomplish dick.

[norland2424]

You just can't wait to indulge in some more testicular electrocution, can you?  :

Of terrorists why not?

[Sandra Kristen]