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Started by bateman, June 12, 2015, 06:46:40 PM

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: pyewacket on November 29, 2015, 12:56:07 PM
Haha, Yorkie- so true. Can you imagine if those delicate flowers had to deal with a bunch of people like us Bellgabbers- and we're far from the worse that's out there.  ;)


Add to this wallflower pandering the mismatch of 'equality': True story. York University (Old established university) was going to have speakers and seminars about the number one killer of men aged between 25-40...Suicide. It was going to go ahead on Mens day...Okay, I'm not a fan of having specific days to commemorate such spurious things, but no matter; it's a very important and serious subject and one of those taboo things that everyone knows about but it dare not speak it's name.

It didn't go ahead. You know why? Because certain right on female big mouths and academics in the university who no doubt get their boyfriends to support their 'womens' events protested because (you'll love this, no really you will), it excluded women.

Anyway the university hierarchy wanting to show their 'inclusive' credentials, capitulated with the harpies! Which means the young men there haven't a voice or a means to express their anxieties and depression with like minded men who could share their feelings with specialists who know what they're talking about..Let's hope there are no suicides eh?


http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/nov/17/row-after-university-of-york-cancels-international-mens-day-event

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/university-of-york-s-decision-to-cancel-international-men-s-day-frankly-looks-rather-silly-says-mp-a6741811.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-34857143

VtaGeezer

It'll take WWIII or a similar cataclysm to teach the whiners that, on the scale of societal problems, being offended for one's feeling being hurt really doesn't move the needle.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: VtaGeezer on November 29, 2015, 01:25:04 PM
It'll take WWIII or a similar cataclysm to teach the whiners that, on the scale of societal problems, being offended for one's feeling being hurt really doesn't move the needle.

+1

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 29, 2015, 01:04:58 PM

It didn't go ahead. You know why? Because certain right on female big mouths and academics in the university who no doubt get their boyfriends to support their 'womens' events protested because (you'll love this, no really you will), it excluded women.

http://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/nov/17/row-after-university-of-york-cancels-international-mens-day-event

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/university-of-york-s-decision-to-cancel-international-men-s-day-frankly-looks-rather-silly-says-mp-a6741811.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-34857143

What utter damn rubbish. The University of York ought to get a flashlight and figure out where they lost their integrity.

True story, I worked as a software engineer for years for a defense company with Navy contracts. It was me, a handful of other women, and 44 men. I had the piss taken out of me every day and believe me, I gave back as good as I got, sometimes better. Every Christmas I would approach the annual grab bag exchange with trembling because I knew my colleagues were piling into a car and heading to the adult shop. And I would open my "gift" and hold it up with a big smile. And then I'd get even, sometimes spectacularly. And I never was happier in a job, ever. These guys threw me a shower when I had my son. I cried when I left.

One year, shortly before I left, there were new hirees among them a very nice, earnest older woman. After a couple of months when she was feeling comfortable, she filed a complaint about one of the guy's calendars which was in his cubicle and probably viewable. It was tame by any standards, a series of bikini shots, nothing even vaguely offensive except to her, the same calendar he put up every year. In fact, he'd gotten a few in the grab bag because we knew he liked them. The backboneless program director, probably afraid of a lawsuit, made him take it down. The atmosphere after that was never the same. A decade before she would have been told to get over herself, but times change. And not for the better sometimes.

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 29, 2015, 12:53:14 PM

Oh jeeeze, this was on the radio the other day. The vast majority 99% of those who called into the show asked what the hell would they do when they got a job? Because in the REALWORLDâ,,¢ they'll find all they believed about 'safespace' and shit is back in their cosy university. If they can't take piss taking (and give it back out) they'll drop like a lead balloon after the honeymoon period. They have to wake up and smell the fuckin coffee.

There is a remedy for that, but people are afraid to use it these days.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on November 29, 2015, 01:31:37 PM
There is a remedy for that, but people are afraid to use it these days.


Your words hurt me sometimes, but if I retreat into my safespace and think of fluffy bunny rabbits I'll be okay after a few minutes.

pyewacket

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 29, 2015, 01:04:58 PM

Add to this wallflower pandering the mismatch of 'equality': True story. York University (Old established university) was going to have speakers and seminars about the number one killer of men aged between 25-40...Suicide. It was going to go ahead on Mens day...Okay, I'm not a fan of having specific days to commemorate such spurious things, but no matter; it's a very important and serious subject and one of those taboo things that everyone knows about but it dare not speak it's name.

It didn't go ahead. You know why? Because certain right on female big mouths and academics in the university who no doubt get their boyfriends to support their 'womens' events protested because (you'll love this, no really you will), it excluded women.

Anyway the university hierarchy wanting to show their 'inclusive' credentials, capitulated with the harpies! Which means the young men there haven't a voice or a means to express their anxieties and depression with like minded men who could share their feelings with specialsists who know what they they're talking about..Let's hope there are no suicides eh?

Thank you for the links to this story, Yorkie. This does not surprise me at all because I truly believe we're on the verge of crossing a societal Rubicon with this generation. What do they think will replace this mean old Western society? There's an old saying, "Be careful what you wish for- because you just might get it." I'll bet that none of these youngsters has actually experienced real fascism. Is there room for improvement in western society- sure- what society is perfect? Their approach may give them what they want initially, but things can get ugly and have unexpected consequences.   

What will these rabid females do when they totally alienate all men except for the eunuchs they hope to create?

How ironic of these people who demand that everyone else bow to their needs for "safe spaces" and unquestioning "sensitivity", that they would deny giving the same consideration to men on a real problem such as suicide!

I hope the organization takes this seminar off campus so that they can offer help where help is needed- even if it's only for men.


albrecht

Quote from: pyewacket on November 29, 2015, 01:46:04 PM
Thank you for the links to this story, Yorkie. This does not surprise me at all because I truly believe we're on the verge of crossing a societal Rubicon with this generation. What do they think will replace this mean old Western society? There's an old saying, "Be careful what you wish for- because you just might get it." I'll bet that none of these youngsters has actually experienced real fascism. Is there room for improvement in western society- sure- what society is perfect? Their approach may give them what they want initially, but things can get ugly and have unexpected consequences.   

What will these rabid females do when they totally alienate all men except for the eunuchs they hope to create?

How ironic of these people who demand that everyone else bow to their needs for "safe spaces" and unquestioning "sensitivity", that they would deny giving the same consideration to men on a real problem such as suicide!

I hope the organization takes this seminar off campus so that they can offer help where help is needed- even if it's only for men.
I'm curious how schools teach (if they do) "sex ed" ("health class") to students approaching puberty these days? When I was young the boys and girls were taken to separate class-room and the teacher, or in my case coach, gave us the details (though very limited, more biological-based, not all the positions and variety of sexual fetishes.) The idea, I guess, was to prevent embarrassment and because the details are different between genders (though they taught the rudimentary about both) and encourage questions, etc. I know this differs from district etc but I wonder these days how it is handled? Put on some porn? In the same classroom so as not to "exclude?" And would do the "self-identifying" genders do? Which room do they go? Does Johnny, now "self-identified as Jane," get to go join the gals hear about periods etc?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 29, 2015, 01:36:05 PM

Your words hurt me sometimes, but if I retreat into my safespace and think of fluffy bunny rabbits I'll be okay after a few minutes.

I realize that now and feel terrible about it. If you're more comfortable with the paddling, we can go back to doing that if you like.

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on November 29, 2015, 02:12:51 PM
I realize that now and feel terrible about it. If you're more comfortable with the paddling, we can go back to doing that if you like.

Obviously I'm not comfortable with it, but if that's what mistress Mary wants, then I guess that's what yo...she wants.


Quote from: pyewacket on November 29, 2015, 02:23:42 PM
I imagine a future where we'll be reduced to pointing and grunting at one another.


That won't do any good. I've tried it and found that young women tend to strenuously object to the practice.

pyewacket

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on November 29, 2015, 02:53:39 PM
That won't do any good. I've tried it and found that young women tend to strenuously object to the practice.

RGG- That's not the reason- you really need to keep your trousers on until you're sure they're interested.  ::)

Quote from: pyewacket on November 29, 2015, 02:56:43 PM
RGG- That's not the reason- you really need to keep your trousers on until you're sure they're interested.  ::)

I suppose that's worth trying! Thanks, pye!


Quote from: Yorkshire pud on November 29, 2015, 02:19:58 PM
Obviously I'm not comfortable with it, but if that's what mistress Mary wants, then I guess that's what yo...she wants.

Oooh, it's all the more delicious when you get cheeky about it. How thoughtful of you to remember!

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Robert Ghostwolf's Ghost on November 29, 2015, 02:53:39 PM
That won't do any good. I've tried it and found that young women tend to strenuously object to the practice.


You're far too modest; Most women you come into contact with object to pretty much any and all things you do in their presence.

Quote from: pyewacket on November 29, 2015, 02:23:42 PM
It's spreading to Canada!!! Just assume everyone's offended by everything to be safe, I guess. I imagine a future where we'll be reduced to pointing and grunting at one another.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/exclusive-video-black-students-in-canada-barricade-vice-president-accuse-college-of-anti-black-racism/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

"We harbored fugitive slaves, never had slavery or anything that could be considered "institutional racism" while practicing one of the finest and best functioning socialist societies in history. Your move black people."

GravitySucks

Quote from: VoteQuimby on November 29, 2015, 03:41:38 PM
"We harbored fugitive slaves, never had slavery or anything that could be considered "institutional racism" while practicing one of the finest and best functioning socialist societies in history. Your move black people."

Carve out a small country in Africa, call it Canaderia, and move them en masse.


pyewacket


Coffeeman

Quote from: pyewacket on November 29, 2015, 05:13:53 PM
I wonder if the students will demand his removal and if his behaviour is considered a trigger to the same people complaining about words, costumes, and literature.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/29/muslim-mizzou-professor-charged-assaulting-teen-girl-school-without-hijab/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Admittedly I haven't been Stateside for awhile, but Muslim girls not wearing the hijab seems progressive (in a good way). Other countries it seems it seems like they only start wearing that trash when they move away from Dubai or UAE or wherever they come from (not talking about "refugees" here, but the ones with money and not scamming welfare).

Juan

You goobers have made the "Date Arab Girls" ad pop up again.

albrecht

Sorry for the long post. Driving about an hour or so ago I caught on XM (I think NPR or a station right near it) the middle of some round-table or interview discussion in which I learned some things: paraphrased the best I can, I was driving and could not record or write down:

"every time I see telephone poles I think about lynchings. Sure it was amazing technology and to create a grid to communicate was an achievement but there is nothing in America that cannot be remembered and seen through racial discrimination. One of the first things they were used for was for lynching. There were over 20 documented lynchings of blacks on telephone poles."

when questioned about race:
"while I believe it is a continuum and one can exhibit and even change race over time I think it is still important not to take away real contributions specific races made to this country. While jazz, blues, and unique American cultural products was created by mixing of many cultures it was created by black people..."

"A student of mine wrote an essay after the Trayvon Martin killing about he, growing up, wanted to dress like the other kids. The white kids, he was growing in a primarily white community, you know sagging pants, hoodies and his mom stopped him. You know, he dressed more mainstream, you know preppy, but he wanted to fit in with the white kids for once. But, he wrote, after the Trayvon murder, you know for nothing else except wearing a hoodie and walking in public, he knows what his mom was trying to tell him. It went viral."

-She was a professor at some university that I couldn't catch. I almost crashed. I was amazed that not only was she a professor but this is stuff that is being taught and I only caught about 8 minutes of it. It was amazing, and a little frightening.


Quote from: Coffeeman on November 29, 2015, 05:32:47 PM
Admittedly I haven't been Stateside for awhile, but Muslim girls not wearing the hijab seems progressive (in a good way). Other countries it seems it seems like they only start wearing that trash when they move away from Dubai or UAE or wherever they come from (not talking about "refugees" here, but the ones with money and not scamming welfare).

I live near a big muslim center where women still wear those outfits. It's bizarre. I want to tell them you don't have to do that bullshit anymore but I'm not going to dictate to them how to live. Incidentally the muslim center and muslim folks are cool and pretty much just do their own thing. When people go off about Islam I always think of the laid back American Muslims and wonder why people feel comfortable making such general statements?

I know articles will be posted about this American muslim or that American muslim doing evil shit. But I think to be a rational adult, you have to accept 10% of any group and of humanity itself is fucking crazy. Another 10% is evil.

Quote from: albrecht on November 29, 2015, 07:01:22 PM
Sorry for the long post. Driving about an hour or so ago I caught on XM (I think NPR or a station right near it) the middle of some round-table or interview discussion in which I learned some things: paraphrased the best I can, I was driving and could not record or write down:

"every time I see telephone poles I think about lynchings. Sure it was amazing technology and to create a grid to communicate was an achievement but there is nothing in America that cannot be remembered and seen through racial discrimination. One of the first things they were used for was for lynching. There were over 20 documented lynchings of blacks on telephone poles."

when questioned about race:
"while I believe it is a continuum and one can exhibit and even change race over time I think it is still important not to take away real contributions specific races made to this country. While jazz, blues, and unique American cultural products was created by mixing of many cultures it was created by black people..."

"A student of mine wrote an essay after the Trayvon Martin killing about he, growing up, wanted to dress like the other kids. The white kids, he was growing in a primarily white community, you know sagging pants, hoodies and his mom stopped him. You know, he dressed more mainstream, you know preppy, but he wanted to fit in with the white kids for once. But, he wrote, after the Trayvon murder, you know for nothing else except wearing a hoodie and walking in public, he knows what his mom was trying to tell him. It went viral."

-She was a professor at some university that I couldn't catch. I almost crashed. I was amazed that not only was she a professor but this is stuff that is being taught and I only caught about 8 minutes of it. It was amazing, and a little frightening.

I had the same reaction when a local politician said all youth crime is the result of institutional racism on local radio. Speaking as someone who was a young hoodlum and interacted with all manner of young criminal, I can assure you money, drugs and reputation were pretty high on the list while institutional racism was pretty low.

We're seeing exactly what happened during Bush's second term with the rise of the Tea Party and extremist conservatives making all conservatives look retarded.

I was young during the Bush Administration. He was the anti-Christ to me. His followers, their cheap tactics and their utter insanity was what I thoughts liberalism was fighting against.

Then just a few years later I see the exact same cheap tactics, utter insanity and extremists taking over and making all other liberals look retarded.

This country is brilliant in that it usually balances itself when the extremism of one side starts getting out of control. I think we're going to see a drastic re-balancing with this liberal extremism going the way of the Tea Party soon.

albrecht

Quote from: VoteQuimby on November 29, 2015, 07:51:01 PM
I live near a big muslim center where women still wear those outfits. It's bizarre. I want to tell them you don't have to do that bullshit anymore but I'm not going to dictate to them how to live. Incidentally the muslim center and muslim folks are cool and pretty much just do their own thing. When people go off about Islam I always think of the laid back American Muslims and wonder why people feel comfortable making such general statements?

I know articles will be posted about this American muslim or that American muslim doing evil shit. But I think to be a rational adult, you have to accept 10% of any group and of humanity itself is fucking crazy. Another 10% is evil.
Honestly I could care less, well the beheading/burning/rapes I do care about but at least keep in their countries, and "hey, it is their culture!" But if the the none terrorist ones want to buy a compound (there are several in the country) and dress in garb and not educate their girls, etc I guess I don't care...if they aren't bombing us.) We shouldn't be IMPORTING anymore of them though. America was founded by a lot of 'crazies' and even now we have our share. Short of outright child sexual abuse or bombing/shooting the rest of us I don't care if they have compounds or choose "modest" dress, home schooling, or being religious. They shouldn't be given EBT and other government programs though. (Though I also say those not having their children in public school shouldn't be taxed to pay for it.) And even in those outrageous cases law enforcement should be prudent- I'm not sure it is worth killing them, including children, to stop alleged abuses occurring there. And the costs to rescue or storm some Compound and burn everyone, or get them burned, (or bomb live MOVE) might not be worth the tax-payer money. America has always had lots of nutjobs cults, religious orders, hippie communes, planned communities, etc. Live and let live- until it impacts the rest of us directly. Some, if not most, (most hippie communes and Anabaptist and even many of the Mormon) don't do much harm to themselves or society so let them alone. But like with everything- no reason to import MORE crazies or criminals. We have enough problems here. And when you have a free society and rights importing criminals, terrorists, and backwards religions/feuds/sectarianism you will have more problems.

It's funny you bring that up. Where I grew up we had a huge mosque that was hidden in a strange place behind a neighborhood in a nowhere part of town. This thing was goddamn ridiculous. It looked like something out of Disneyland and was a city block big with some really intense security for a church.

There was all kinds of rumors when I was a kid. None of us knew anyone who went there but there rumors of beheadings and Sharia law craziness happening there. But that was probably just spooky stories passing around kids immediately after 9/11 but I know what you're talking about.

All the weird child abuse and cultural allegations. Meh... what are you going to do?

On importing them, I say grab the smart ones and send the rest to Europe.  ;D

albrecht

Quote from: VoteQuimby on November 29, 2015, 08:53:53 PM
It's funny you bring that up. Where I grew up we had a huge mosque that was hidden in a strange place behind a neighborhood in a nowhere part of town. This thing was goddamn ridiculous. It looked like something out of Disneyland and was a city block big with some really intense security for a church.

There was all kinds of rumors when I was a kid. None of us knew anyone who went there but there rumors of beheadings and Sharia law craziness happening there. But that was probably just spooky stories passing around kids immediately after 9/11 but I know what you're talking about.

All the weird child abuse and cultural allegations. Meh... what are you going to do?

On importing them, I say grab the smart ones and send the rest to Europe.  ;D
Man it is weird how many Bellgabbers have similar experiences. When I was a kid it was the Iranians and there was a Mosque build sorta secretively near a park and general wooded area near my old neighborhood. We "found" it as kids coming from the back side through the park and messing around in the woods (I think it was going to be a commercial stripmall-type building, then funding fell through, and then remodeled as a Islamic school/mosque.) All kinds of guards (as we saw them), rumors "they had Uzis" (why would Muslims use Israeli-made weaponry now that I think back!,) and weird shuttle buses of children, some in garb, to/from the school sometimes. Sometimes we would shoot bottle-rockets, throw a rock, or bb guns at them etc sometimes. Usually on dares ("they have UZIs!") Original insurgents. Ha! But, then again, we would also shoot/throw-at EACH OTHER with fireworks, rocks and dirtclumps, and bb guns for fun so? Not racism per se. But I recall the rumors and finding it. We thought ourselves like Stanley or someone finding a new civilization after tramping through woods, brambles, creeks, etc and then....a weird structure, all white-washed walls, with strange people some wearing garb etc. And we knew about Iranians from on the news! (Who knows? It could've been Sunni or that Turkish cult guy who has compound in the US?) Later it got developed and more roads around the area and now just a Islamic center (for all I know, haven't been back there in years.)

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