The Other Side of Midnight - Richard C. Hoagland - Live Chat Thread

[Hoegee]

What the hell happened.. Hoagie fell out of bed??

Yeah, into bed.  The lead-in guest was explaining what his out-of-body experience felt like . . . as if he were "falling six feet into my bed."

Hoagee did his patented tut-tut interruption, lecturing the guest that he assuredly has had this literal experience and knows all about the sensation.

EDIT:  Hoagee also just used the term "undensify."

[Dr. MD MD]

[Dr. MD MD]

[AlternativeSide]

Hoagland transitioning Swami..?
Whats his point spread prediction for tonights game?

[=Schlyder=]

Braaaaaps everyone.

[GravitySucks]

Hoagland transitioning Swami..?
Whats his point spread prediction for tonights game?

19.5

[CronkitesGhost]

lol he's offering a workshop for Club 19.5 members on how to see the incredible structures on Mars and the Moon that to the rest of the world look like shadows, rocks and craters.

There's a psychology word for seeing things in objects, like people who see Jesus in their oatmeal - what is that word?

[GravitySucks]

lol he's offering a workshop for Club 19.5 members on how to see the incredible structures on Mars and the Moon that to the rest of the world look like shadows, rocks and craters.

There's a psychology word for seeing things in objects, like people who see Jesus in their oatmeal - what is that word?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

[Dr. MD MD]

lol he's offering a workshop for Club 19.5 members on how to see the incredible structures on Mars and the Moon that to the rest of the world look like shadows, rocks and craters.

There's a psychology word for seeing things in objects, like people who see Jesus in their oatmeal - what is that word?

Pareidolia

[CronkitesGhost]

thanks

[CronkitesGhost]

horrible guest, what's his thesis?

[=Schlyder=]

lol he's offering a workshop for Club 19.5 members on how to see the incredible structures on Mars and the Moon that to the rest of the world look like shadows, rocks and craters.

There's a psychology word for seeing things in objects, like people who see Jesus in their oatmeal - what is that word?

crazy... that word is crazy. LOL

[Dr. MD MD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwbGjzF3mB0

[=Schlyder=]

LOL RCH hates asking for money.  April fools

[CronkitesGhost]

now begging for money to continue his research - most likely research into renting a cabin on a lake

[WOTR]

horrible guest, what's his thesis?

I have to admit that I'm not really able to pay enough attention to care tonight.  Maybe it is me- maybe it is them. I'm fine with religion being discussed- but discussing the gospel in relation to aliens is just a little much.

Hoagland saying "in my fathers house, are many mansions.  What does that refer to?"Wow... what deep questions :.

[GravitySucks]

BRAAPS

[Dr. MD MD]

I have to admit that I'm not really able to pay enough attention to care tonight.  Maybe it is me- maybe it is them. I'm fine with religion being discussed- but discussing the gospel in relation to aliens is just a little much.

Hoagland saying "in my fathers house, are many mansions.  What does that refer to?"Wow... what deep questions :.

God's rich, yo! Donald Trump rich! And Hoagland is part of his possey.

[Dr. MD MD]

It's in the data.

[Étouffée]

No, not a very entertaining show, but I like that Hoagie went off the reservation a bit, into buddhist-religious-woo.  Something different. 

[WOTR]

It's in the data.

I had always assumed that it was in the Sulu... 

[laserjock]

Wow, you guys are still doing it here, huh. I thought by now Hoagland was over with and I was wondering if people were still hanging here. Is that fruit loop chick still doing Bell's show? Man I sure moved on, I went from Laser work to computer science, haven't had time to screw around. Well, good you all are trying to keep something going, good for all of you.

[Dr. MD MD]

Wow, you guys are still doing it here, huh. I thought by now Hoagland was over with and I was wondering if people were still hanging here. Is that fruit loop chick still doing Bell's show? Man I sure moved on, I went from Laser work to computer science, haven't had time to screw around. Well, good you all are trying to keep something going, good for all of you.

Good for fucking you! :

[Juan Cena]

now begging for money to continue his research - most likely research into renting a cabin on a lake

Robin VII finally had enough of Hoagie?

[Juan Cena]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwbGjzF3mB0

https://youtu.be/kbB0QrBIs9k

[Dr. MD MD]

https://youtu.be/kbB0QrBIs9k

Wrestling spank. :

[Roswells, Art]

Wow, you guys are still doing it here, huh. I thought by now Hoagland was over with and I was wondering if people were still hanging here. Is that fruit loop chick still doing Bell's show? Man I sure moved on, I went from Laser work to computer science, haven't had time to screw around. Well, good you all are trying to keep something going, good for all of you.

Have you met your wife yet? By now you've been married at least three years.

[Theadora]

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"Farewell to the wacky-accy"
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        At the half-hour mark during yesterday's rather turgid Other Side Of Midnight, Richard Hoagland drew the attention of his listeners (all four of them, perhaps) to a new feature of the show's website.

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        Not very original, I hear you say. Right, and I seriously doubt that he's going to see the floods of $$$ that are in his dreams. OSOM "members" are already paying $9.95 a month for a show that often fails to get on the air (although to be fair, he's had a run of good luck latelyâ€"nine more-or-less glitch-free shows on the trot.) But you had to laugh when he came up with one very good reason for the new Donate button:
32:45 "My Accutron broke. I've used it for yearsâ€"I made a mistake the other day and dropped  the damn thing on a hardwood floor. It obviously has incredible fine wires. It broke. To send it out to specialists who do Accutron reconstructionâ€"surgery, whateverâ€"is going to require several hundred dollars. To get a new one is going to require something like a thousand bucks. So we need funds...."         Now, it's possible that I've been April-fooled, but I'm assuming that was genuine, and he's been deprived of what he once called "a technology that can save the world." Last night he blathered on about wanting to put the wacky-accy in an orgone accumulator, to see what that does to the so-called "torsion field." Two bits of ridiculous pseudoscience, one inside the otherâ€"perhaps they'd cancel each other's nuttiness out and provide something of actual value (but I doubt it.) However, we'll never know now.

        There's a lovely irony in this. In the highly unlikely event that Hoagland does raise lots of lollyâ€"and if he spends it on the wacky-accy rather than Las Vegas crap tablesâ€"you can bet your bottom dollar he'd never be able to repeat the bizarre results he's already "published." The plain fact is that he didn't just break it, it's been broken all along. That's why it shows such wild frequency swings even in the absence of any eclipse or transit. It's in the data.

        In case anybody reading this has no clue what "The Accutron" is, here's a briefing from the Rational Wikipedia, and here's Stuart Robbins of Exposing Pseudoastronomy critiquing Hoagland's protocol. Also, thanks to blogspot's labelling system, you can click on the label hoagland Accutron nonsense at the foot of this post, and bring up everything I've ever written about that damn wristwatch. WARNING: It's a lot. 23 posts.

Update:
        Chris L found this long discussion from October 2012. Plenty of good points made, and some good fun Hoagland-bashing.


Thanks to Stuart Robbins for the audio

posted by expat at 1:44 PM on Apr 1, 2018
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Anonymous Chris said...

    Post #34 by Beanbag, a horologist who has worked on Accutrons, is very interesting. It leads me to believe that even if Hoagland obtains funds from people to have his watch repaired he'll be unable to do so due to the lack of spare parts. If he later announces that it was repaired and is fully working again I will be sceptical of whether it ever broke and what the funds were used for.

    April 2, 2018 at 12:48 PM
Anonymous Two Percent said...

    Chris said...

    "Post #34 by Beanbag, a horologist who has worked on Accutrons, is very interesting."

    Indeed. As described by Beanbag, the 'Tron was a remarkable development, for its day. Creating a mechanical drive from a 360Hz signal using such a small battery, back then. Wow.

    But this story reminds me of a similar one, from when I was working for a large US computer company. This was way back in the day, long before LCD screens appeared. We were trying to sell PCs to a large media organisation, and I had sent them a Demo Unit. A day or two later, I received a call - the PC is playing up. I duly visited.

    Walking through the door to the "test room", I immediately figured out the problem. The guy doing the "testing" was an extremely ham-fisted character. It's this fact that reminded me of Hoagie and his 'Tron "experiments". Mr HamFisted had opened up the PC, which was a slim desktop model. Leaving the steel lid off, he had then taken the accompanying CRT monitor, and without attaching the swivel base, had placed it directly on top of the open PC.

    Obviously, the EHT/Line Output transformer inside the plastic monitor case was now in close proximity to the now unshielded Hard Drive, which had an aluminium alloy body and cover. The multi-kHz EMF from the EHT/LO xfmr was obviously giving the Hard Drive hell. Fortunately, not strong enough to bulk erase the platters, as I simply moved the monitor and the problem resolved.

    Hoagie's 'Tron-based "Torsion Field Meater" is in exactly the same league. The whole idea that the shadow of the eclipsing body and its gravitational field are precisely aligned reveals his glaring lack of understanding. The heating and cooling of his equipment is clearly all he's recording. That he's willing to stand up before the whole world and claim some great discovery using his old 1960's timepiece shows just how little he knows about the most basic science. He doesn't know enough to feel even slightly embarrassed or ashamed of himself.

    Pseudoscience? Is kindergarten-grade finger-painting pseudoscience? Okay, it's not quite as interesting!

    Actually, what this really reveals is the mentality of his sheeple. Put anything up on a plinth, and a few will come to look. To the blind, the one-eyed is king. There's no real hope for either.

    And since he can't afford proper equipment (and wouldn't know what to do with it anyway), and his subscriber base is apparently down to a subsistence survival level, I think your work there is almost done, expat.

    April 3, 2018 at 1:02 PM
Blogger THE Orbs Whiperer said...

    2%, the example you give of your personal experience with the computer, may or might not be one of heat and cooling, but it could have been the result of impedance modulation of Circuit Constants.

    Patrick, may we please have a recap of the gear that Hoagland uses to measure HDP on his Accutron and how he uses it, so that we can consider what if any Circuit Constants might come into play?


    April 3, 2018 at 2:13 PM
Blogger expat said...

    Here's your recap.

    For a schematic, go to this page and scroll down 32 screens. Alternatively, search for the string "A friend and colleage".

    April 3, 2018 at 2:23 PM
Blogger expat said...

    The misspelled word is Hoagland's error not mine.

    April 3, 2018 at 2:26 PM
Blogger expat said...

    Direct link to the schematic:
    http://www.enterprisemission.com/AccutronBasicConfig.jpg

    April 3, 2018 at 2:28 PM
Anonymous Two Percent said...

    THE Orbs Whiperer said...

    " 2%, the example you give of your personal experience with the computer, may or might not be one of heat and cooling

    Nothing to do with heating and cooling. It was simply an example of incompetence and lack of knowledge and understanding, as we clearly see with Hoagie. (Why they appointed that clown to decide on which PCs they should buy is beyond me. Someone else probably had to suck his dick!)

    Sorry, I didn't spell it out - I thought everyone here would understand. It was simple inductive coupling.

    The LO transformer produced a strong, alternating magnetic field of a few kilo-Hz (the frequency depending on the Video output line rate at the time), emanating through the bottom of the monitor.

    The read-write heads that float over the surfaces of hard disk platters are basically inductive coils, highly amplified to read back the data (as magnetically induced voltage) pulses from the "tracks" on the platters. (The aluminium cover, being non-magnetic, would not provide inductive shielding.)

    Introducing a strong alternating magnetic field in the vicinity of those heads is going to create extraneous output pulses from the read-write heads, which the hard drive error-correction system will generally not be able to correct. So, the hard drive controller will keep on retrying to read the requested track/sector until it gets an apparently error-free result, which it will then feed to the computer. Then it will try to read the next sector, with the same issues. This will massively slow down the hard drive performance, if not bring it to a complete standstill.

    It was merely a similar example of ham-fistedness, being fooled by something completely unrecognised, and thinking it means something else.

    April 3, 2018 at 3:31 PM
Anonymous Two Percent said...

    FWIW, I can give you another example. Not directly related to heating and cooling (I have too many of those to bother mentioning). In my younger days, I had a job repairing digital watches. Most of the faults were mechanical, due to the shoddy designs by that manufacturer. Sometimes we got more interesting ones, in particular, the following.

    Watch returned under warranty. Claimed to play up when outside. Weird, right?

    Well, it turned out this model was photosensitive. If you placed it directly in bright summer sunlight, it would go haywire. The digital watch chip was bonded to the underside of the ultra-thin PCB inside the watch module, and was protected by a lump of hard, thick, black "stuff". However, the PCB was translucent. Sunlight, filtering through the display, the display scatter-filter rear screen and the PCB was getting into the chip and disrupting it.

    This is more like Hoagies 'Tron setup, as far as I can tell. Something unexpected and not allowed for, producing spurious results.

    The fix for the watch was black sticky tape over the back of the PCB. Hardly ideal, but did the trick.

    Hoagie's problems are a bit bigger.

    I suspect DePalma's 'problems' were very similar. When the orientation of the 'Tron to the spinning metal mass was changed, the signal changed. The 'Tron has magnetic coils in it. I'm willing to bet that the same results would have been obtained from the experiment if the mass was stationary.

    As Beanbag says, even the watch's own hands can affect its instantaneous accuracy.

    The reason here is that the magnetic coils (or at least one of them) drive the watch. See photo. The magnetic fields no doubt extend outside the watch. Placing the watch so that the magnetic field(s) impinge on a conductor (a large metal mass, spinning or not) will "load" the magnetic field. Loading the field will load the drive circuitry which will affect the watch's operation. Rotating the watch will affect how much the magnetic field is exposed to outside influences as the two coils appear to run across one end of the watch.

    This is the principle of the typical metal detector that people have used to find gold nuggets. When metal is encountered, energy is absorbed from the search coil's magnetic field. Detecting this energy loss enables the location of buried (or not) metal objects.

    Enough already!

    April 3, 2018 at 3:33 PM
Anonymous Two Percent said...


    expat said...

    " Direct link to the schematic:
    http://www.enterprisemission.com/AccutronBasicConfig.jpg

    I LOVE the loopy cables! They give the whole 'schematic' a real air of amateurishness.

    Make that Loopiness!

    April 3, 2018 at 3:53 PM

http://dorkmission.blogspot.com/2018/04/farewell-to-wacky-accy.html

As of this date and hour, Expat has yet to post my most recent question for 2%. 

I ask if he is saying that Hoagland's Accutron is affected by Heat, rather than Circuit Constants, and what proximity are the Microset 3, and laptop to his wristwatch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC_time_constant

[Lunger]

As of this date and hour, Expat has yet to post my most recent question for 2%. 

I ask if he is saying that Hoagland's Accutron is affected by Heat, rather than Circuit Constants, and what proximity are the Microset 3, and laptop to his wristwatch.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC_time_constant

LOL!

Are you seriously arguing the merits of the Accutron?

[Theadora]

LOL!

Are you seriously arguing the merits of the Accutron?

One first needs to determine the contextual procedures in conducting the experiment.  To ridicule is the right of idiots, but in order argue the merits of 2%'s long winded red herring, he needs to address the issue instead of jumping to unfounded conclusions, then doubling down in attempt to cover up that fact.

It seems to me that if Hoagland were to place the Accutron in contact with the laptop, then there might be the potential for both Heat and Circuit Constants to interfere with theorized effects of Hyper-dimensional energy. The Microset 3, however, probably wouldn't generate enough Heat, but still might emit strong enough Circuit Constants.

For the experiment to be meaningful, the distance of proximity of the measuring equipment, ought to be far enough from the wristwatch to have no effect.  I find no such specification; not from 2%, Expat, nor Hoagland.

Is seriously ask here, is anyone aware of that information?  Either way, it's still your right to ridicule.