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Teachers With Guns
« on: February 23, 2018, 02:57:53 AM »
Should teachers be allowed to carry guns in the classroom?
This is a particularly interesting one for me since I'm actually on the fence, so I'm open to good arguments either way.
Shoot me off the fence.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2018, 03:02:23 AM »
I think there should be signs in the school that say there are a number of teachers with firearms.  It should be voluntary and I don't think any students should know which teachers have them unless a situation develops.  Signs will deter some shooters but perhaps not all.

Gun-free zones give shooters free license to act without fear of reprisal.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2018, 03:05:56 AM »
Also many private schools do have security.  If public schools need more money, then I'm for using taxes to pay for such staff.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2018, 03:12:15 AM »
I think there should be signs in the school that there are a number of teachers with firearms.  It should be voluntary and I don't think any students should know which teachers have them unless a situation develops.  Signs will deter some shooters but perhaps not all.

Gun-free zones give shooters free license to act without fear of reprisal.

I like it.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2018, 03:51:32 AM »
I can't picture my old English teacher Mrs. E. with a gun.  Thinking back, she used to get really mad at me for not learning what vowels were.  I guess it's just as good that she didn't have a gun. 

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2018, 04:07:30 AM »
I can't picture my old English Teacher Mrs. E. with a gun.  Thinking back, she used to get really mad at me for not learning what vowels were.  I guess it's just as good that she didn't have a gun.

We had several nuns that already packed assault rulers.  Pretty sure I would not have survived it if they had guns.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2018, 05:08:33 AM »
Stoneman Douglas has ROTC. Let the instructors carry sidearms and have access to rifles.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2018, 05:41:28 AM »
Also many private schools do have security.  If public schools need more money, then I'm for using taxes to pay for such staff.

Jewish schools in Australia seem to have visibly armed and armoured security around them - they even have those little mirrors for checking under cars. I've seen some put up portable crash barriers at certain times of the year/following large terrorism attacks overseas.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2018, 07:59:26 AM »
Not just teachers, any staff members (janitors, counselors, grounds keepers, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, etc.) who are legally entitled to carry a gun and volunteer should be considered.  This must be done carefully, however as the first time an armed staff member screws up, the anti-gun politicians/media will jump on the program with both feet.  The selection process of those to be armed must be judicious, their training rigorous, and overall program standards high. 

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2018, 08:10:20 AM »
since 1973, Israel has armed their school teachers.  In 44 years , there has only been 2 school shootings.   There is your answer.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2018, 08:36:18 AM »
Give an incompetent tenured public school teacher a gun. What could possibly go wrong? 

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2018, 09:28:36 AM »
Not just teachers, any staff members (janitors, counselors, grounds keepers, bus drivers, cafeteria workers, etc.) who are legally entitled to carry a gun and volunteer should be considered.  This must be done carefully, however as the first time an armed staff member screws up, the anti-gun politicians/media will jump on the program with both feet.  The selection process of those to be armed must be judicious, their training rigorous, and overall program standards high.

Here is the monkey in the wrench.  Most of our schools are already severely underfunded and teachers, for the most part, make enough money to stave off poverty.  I feel that this is a job for highly trained security personnel, nothing less.  I'm not sure I am comfortable thinking about my kids in a room with 'ol Mrs. Snodgrass with a nine strapped to her ankle. 

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2018, 09:37:06 AM »
I mean, we are not just talking about basic firearms training here, we are talking about force on force training.  Imagine all the hundreds of thousands of possible scenarios in one of these situations.  Movement, cover, multiple shooters...the list goes on.  My wife is a school based speech and language pathologist.  She's a damn good one too, but she's not ever going to be a highly skilled and effective gunfighter.   

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2018, 10:24:46 AM »
I mean, we are not just talking about basic firearms training here, we are talking about force on force training.  Imagine all the hundreds of thousands of possible scenarios in one of these situations.  Movement, cover, multiple shooters...the list goes on.  My wife is a school based speech and language pathologist.  She's a damn good one too, but she's not ever going to be a highly skilled and effective gunfighter.

Hell, most police officers aren't either.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2018, 11:06:58 AM »
How schools are run, security and otherwise, should be a matter of the local community via their school board, administrators, independent school districts, etc. Nothing to do with the Federal government. The Feds should control the border, deal with Federal crimes, and alert local PD and schools if they have information (as in this recent FLA case since they, apparently, refuse to investigate that kind of threat.) The local schools should be allowed, if the citizens wish, to arm the adults in the schools, have the local PD on site, hire private contractors, determine level of training, design of buildings, campus size, or whatever. They also should be allowed to discipline and expel troublesome students, again according to local standards per the citizens views. The schools should not be run by the Feds, the Courts, etc. Effective, safe school systems, maybe using different policies, can be studied and other school systems can implement those designs, if the citizens wish.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2018, 11:36:21 AM »
since 1973, Israel has armed their school teachers.  In 44 years , there has only been 2 school shootings.   There is your answer.

ONLY JEWS MAY DO THIS

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2018, 12:48:55 PM »
Should teachers be allowed to carry guns in the classroom?
This is a particularly interesting one for me since I'm actually on the fence, so I'm open to good arguments either way.
Shoot me off the fence.

President Trump specifically states that only teachers that are adept at handling a gun should be allowed to carry in the classroom.
Arming all teachers willy-nilly sounds like something CNN would claim our President would say.





Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2018, 01:03:09 PM »
President Trump specifically states that only teachers that are adept at handling a gun should be allowed to carry in the classroom.
Arming all teachers willy-nilly sounds like something CNN would claim our President would say.





I would think that they would have to be "adept" to the point of being trained as a soldier.  These are teachers we are talking about.  Think about it.  Who in their right mind would take on such a tremendous responsibility and liability risk?  This IS NOT a job for a teacher, a custodian, or a friggin' lunch lady.  You need a highly trained force on force agent/soldier/security personnel.  Simply put, there are far too many scenarios/variables for a common person to comprehend and deal with.  Teachers are trained to teach.  I want a trained professional force on force agent protecting my children, not the algebra teacher. 

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2018, 01:20:58 PM »
An ideal world:

“Welcome to civics 101, now sit down and STFU”

Professor Norris


Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2018, 01:24:17 PM »
An ideal world:

“Welcome to civics 101, now sit down and STFU”

Professor Norris



Haha.  That's more like it.  We would have a better shot teaching combat-ready personnel to teach, rather than teachers to be combat ready.   

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2018, 01:35:31 PM »
I would think that they would have to be "adept" to the point of being trained as a soldier.  These are teachers we are talking about.  Think about it.  Who in their right mind would take on such a tremendous responsibility and liability risk?  This IS NOT a job for a teacher, a custodian, or a friggin' lunch lady.  You need a highly trained force on force agent/soldier/security personnel.  Simply put, there are far too many scenarios/variables for a common person to comprehend and deal with.  Teachers are trained to teach.  I want a trained professional force on force agent protecting my children, not the algebra teacher.

If we were on a high alert or war status I would tend to agree with you.  But for our current situation training teachers to be combat-ready isn't necessary at this time (and I hope it never will be).

Not all teachers have the ability or desire to carry a gun.  But for those that do, they are the ones that should be allowed, if they have a permit.  I would also suggest that teachers take a course on gun safety and handling in case they ever find themselves in a precarious situation of having to handle a gun unexpectedly.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2018, 01:40:23 PM »
An ideal world:

“Welcome to civics 101, now sit down and STFU”

Professor Norris


Sorely needed in Southern California. ;) ;D

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2018, 01:40:35 PM »
If we were on a high alert or war status I would tend to agree with you.  But for our current situation training teachers to be combat-ready isn't necessary at this time (and I hope it never will be).

Not all teachers have the ability or desire to carry a gun.  But for those that do, they are the ones that should be allowed, if they have a permit.  I would also suggest that teachers take a course on gun safety and handling in case they ever find themselves in a precarious situation of having to handle a gun unexpectedly.

Starr, all do respect 'cause I like ya and all, "a course on gun safety and handling?"  Are you kidding?  I hope you are.  Some guy with a rifle walking into a target-rich box...or barrel if you will, and one pudgy shop teacher with a pistol...that's outmatched force on force...not "gun handling."  It's combat, Starr.   

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2018, 01:41:11 PM »
If we were on a high alert or war status I would tend to agree with you.  But for our current situation training teachers to be combat-ready isn't necessary at this time (and I hope it never will be).


What else do you call engaging an active shooter other than combat?

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2018, 01:46:55 PM »
Starr, all do respect 'cause I like ya and all, "a course on gun safety and handling?"  Are you kidding?  I hope you are.  Some guy with a rifle walking into a target-rich box...or barrel if you will, and one pudgy shop teacher with a pistol...that's outmatched force on force...not "gun handling."  It's combat, Starr.   

Yes, I agree with you, in a combat situation.  I'm talking about preventing a combat situation from developing in the first place.  Better a pudgy shop teacher who's trained to use a gun and keeps his focus versus a pudgy shop teacher freaking out and running around in circles.

You are a veteran, aren't you?  If you are, Thank YOU for your service, Sir. :-*

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2018, 01:53:48 PM »
An ideal world:

“Ok kids, today you’re running. Go!”

PE coach, professor Animal Mother.


Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2018, 01:53:48 PM »
Haha.  That's more like it.  We would have a better shot teaching combat-ready personnel to teach, rather than teachers to be combat ready.

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2018, 01:55:20 PM »
What else do you call engaging an active shooter other than combat?
Ya know what?  I'm too old to understand this properly.  This shit didn't even exist when and where I grew up.  You guys win. :-[

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2018, 01:57:43 PM »
Having a sheriff's deputy at the school sure did stop the most recent event from happening.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/23/trump-calls-parkland-deputy-who-failed-stop-school-shooting-coward/366520002/

Re: Teachers With Guns
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2018, 01:58:49 PM »
What else do you call engaging an active shooter other than combat?

Yep, yep, yep.  I hear what you are saying Starr, there may be a scenario where an armed teacher could make a difference.  The thing is, I want security to be a priority, not a back up to his/her other responsibilities.  I used the example of a pudgy shop teacher, because I know a guy who fits the bill.  He's a shop teacher, he's pudgy, and he'd gladly carry a gun in his classroom. He has a concealed carry permit, and he "trains" regularly.  By trains, I mean he often goes to the range to punch holes in paper targets.  He's your typical gun shop cowboy, and likely one of the very few who would volunteer for the job as an armed teacher.  You can often find him at the gun shop, at church, wal-mart, talking "shop" to everyone and anyone who will listen.  The usual cowboy stuff...polymer vs. metal, striker vs. hammer...and the never ending caliber debate.  Puke.  He's a nice enough guy, and I like him, but I wouldn't want either one of my sons around him if things went south.  If there is going to be an armed cowboy at my kids school, it's going to have to be a REAL cowboy, not a rodeo one.  If they do this arm a half-assed teacher thing, I WILL pull my kids out.