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President Donald J. Trump

Started by The General, February 11, 2011, 01:33:34 AM

Jackstar




I'm gonna miss this place.

p.s.: 420 wooo wooooo

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 06:12:31 PM
Defeat? What difference will it make to me? It will make a hell of a difference to Trump if Flynn has coughed. And of course Manafort...And Gates...Oh and let's not forget Papadopoulos. That's before we mention how the delicate Hope Hicks (simpering, dutiful and obedient lackie) and who knows what Jared and Jr might throw up...All of them knowing deep down that Donny Snr will throw them under the bus to try and save his own skin. You see, like all Trumpers, you actually believed him when he said those words 'Believe me'...And you even believe him when he said he would fight for you..Really, you did..  :-\

Was this a wet dream you had last night? Just askin'!

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 31, 2017, 05:59:53 PM
Are you a retarded man?  This stuff is completely meaningless

Today I read something in the SF paper saying am ambassador from Australia said someone in the Trump campaign told him in May that the Russians had thousands of incriminating emails they'd hacked from Hilary Clinton.  The idea being her negligance, and Trumps knowledge of it, was somehow incriminating... to him.


Not exactly.... You need to read it again... Its pretty interesting.

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If you have some knowledge of an actual crime worthy of an ongong investigation of a special prosecutor

I don't. But the DAG sanctioned by Trump thought there were grounds to appoint one.

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(an extra-Constitutional office created with the idea the Executive Branch shouldn't investigate itself), who has endless financial and staffing resources to investigate one man, and is highly motivated to find some crime / any crime to justify his operation - please tell us what that is.

See above..

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Please note that.  A Special Prosecutor is a NON-Constitutional office operating outside the Executive Branch.  It makes people who believe in separation of powers uncomfortable because it can lead to abuses outside the normal checks and balances we have.  It should be used sparingly, if at all.  That some Democrat operative left over from the Obama regime took it upon himelf to appoint one when the AG recused himself is a travesty.

Oh please; Spare the checks and balances bs! Trump has come out and said he has total control over the DoJ. As I said above, the DAG appointed Mueller...DAG appointed by erm, Trump...

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Given the above, someone incorrectly filling out forms, or even lying on them, doesn't measure up to something a Special Prosecutor should be involved in.

He wasn't appointed for that: But he'll no doubt use the information to ask why two (so far) people lied about something as vitally important as making sure their apps were correctly filled in and signed off. Wouldn't you?

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Perhaps it would be legit if a real crime had been covered up, but it hasn't.  Giving various answers as to why the special prosecutor's friend was fired - a firing that a president has every right to do for any reason at an time - doesn't measure up to something a Special Prosecutor should be involved in either.

You know this because?   The Special prosecutors friend? You mean the then Director of the FBI? Fired because he was looking into Flynn who the former DAG, and the FBI had reason to suspect (and Trump was warned about) had nefarious relationships with a foreign power: that one?

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Here is the question.  Please remember to focus on it when this topic comes up:  Did Donald Trump, or did Donald Trump not, collude with the Russians to win the election?  If so, was it something a little bit more than ''conducting background research'' - the term Hilary's friends used when the attention briefly focused on her contacts with the Russians, or encouraging them to make public detrimental information on Hilary Clinton?  Because neither of those are crimes.  I would argue the voters are entitled to that information regardless of the source and method it was obtained.  It's what Shreddi would call vetting, which is something the Democrat Fake Media doesn't do with their candidates.

I should note there isn't even any evidence Trump even did that.

Actually yes it is a crime to procure information about a political opponent from a foreign power.  And if any information comes forth that is suspected to be via nefarious means (See G W Bush-AL Gore, 2000 election) it must be reported to the FBI. Jr, Kushner and Manafort (with others) met various Russians in Trump Tower to (they believed) get shit on Clinton. After the e mails were published and Jr admitted to it (cos he isn't that bright) and knowing this was a no no, Trump dictated a note to Hope Hicks on AF1 on the way back from Saudi Arabia to say the meetings were about adoptions.

Jackstar

1) All taxation is theft.
2) There already is a wall.
3) Were those regulations effective in the first place? What about the fluoride in the drinking water? While I agree with your third point in principle, I don't think you've backed up your argument very well here.
4) Gas the kikes, race war now.
5) Get back to me when you've figured out that cannabis is medicine and millions of people's lives have been ruined by the actions of the corrupt pharmacological establishment, and then we can talk more about how desperately important it is to legislate corporate welfare so Doctor Octopus can keep charging $249 for twenty minutes of his time. I can hardly fucking wait!!


Quote from: PaulAtreides on December 31, 2017, 06:23:20 PM
To that add all the outright lies and deceptions.

None of them even come close to what the Bush-Clinton cartel shit all over the country with for five fucking decades. Not even close. You simply don't know what the fuck you're posting about. Read more books.

That said: you're entitled to your foolish opinions. Thank you for illuminating us here.

Swishypants

Quote from: Jackstar on December 31, 2017, 06:40:22 PM
1) All taxation is theft.
2) There already is a wall.
3) Were those regulations effective in the first place? What about the fluoride in the drinking water? While I agree with your third point in principle, I don't think you've backed up your argument very well here.
4) Gas the kikes, race war now.
5) Get back to me when you've figured out that cannabis is medicine and millions of people's lives have been ruined by the actions of the corrupt pharmacological establishment, and then we can talk more about how desperately important it is to legislate corporate welfare so Doctor Octopus can keep charging $249 for twenty minutes of his time. I can hardly fucking wait!!


None of them even come close to what the Bush-Clinton cartel shit all over the country with for five fucking decades. Not even close. You simply don't know what the fuck you're posting about. Read more books.

That said: you're entitled to your foolish opinions. Thank you for illuminating us here.

YOU'RE like a CHILD that just wondered in...MARK IT ZERO DUDE!

albrecht

A funny article from Amazon about draining the swamp inside the Beltway (actually the swamp extends outside now days.)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-trump-era-is-changing-the-federal-bureaucracy/2017/12/30/8d5149c6-daa7-11e7-b859-fb0995360725_story.html?utm_term=.c9dc60b1e1fe

Vacancies, employees complaining that their performance will be judged,* contractors complaining that money isn't be doled out quickly, "careerists feel paralyzed," unions and their lawyers complaining, and other funny things.

*"Agencies have told employees that they should no longer count on getting glowing reviews in their performance appraisals, according to staff in multiple offices, as has been the case for years."

Jackstar

Quote from: Swishypants on December 31, 2017, 06:50:45 PM
MARK IT ZERO DUDE!

Yeah, I had the chance to legit use 'cabalistic industrial pharmaceutical mind control complex' in a sentence, and I blew it. I wasn't even afraid of displeasing Congress or nuttin'. Balls.


Quote from: albrecht on December 31, 2017, 07:20:25 PM
And the Internal Revenue Service, which is charged with the complex task of implementing Trump’s tax overhaul plan, lost 6,801 permanent staffers in the first nine months of this year, a drop of nearly 9 percent, personnel data shows.

Say it with me: ALL TAXATION IS THEFT.

Quote from: Jackstar on December 31, 2017, 07:32:24 PM
Yeah, I had the chance to legit use 'cabalistic industrial pharmaceutical mind control complex' in a sentence, and I blew it. I wasn't even afraid of displeasing Congress or nuttin'. Balls.


Say it with me: ALL TAXATION IS THEFT.

I generally agree but some taxation is necessary to maintain and improve infrastructure (roads, bridges) and maintain our defenses.  Very little should go to the feds.  Most should go to towns, counties and states.

Property Taxes are theft for sure.

Kidnostad3

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 05:52:43 PM

Then because you're so butch and masculine, you can come to Sacramento and serve it up, what you say , Big boy?


In the absence of a bench warrant and being cuffed and escorted, who the fuck would go to Sacramento? 




Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 06:29:02 PM
... Oh please; Spare the checks and balances bs!...

... You know this because [Muller has nothing on Trump after a year of investigation]?...

Oh dear.  This is personally embarassing to me.

I've long since realized Pud is simply unable to comprehend separation of powers; the importance of it to our system; and the desire by Americans that great decisions be made within te general consensus separation requires - coming here in his later years from a country where a dictatorship is empowered by periodic elections. 

In a parlementary system, the prime minister appears only on the ballot in his own district, and may not even win a majority of votes there.  The PM has complete control over both the legislative and executive, with the only ''check'' being members of his own government withdrawing support and requiring new elections.  Trained to believe both our systems are ''the same'', i.e., ''democracies'', this major difference in our systems just doesn't translate.  Not really.

That's not the embarassing part.  It's embarassing that in my attempts to teach Pud - as a new arrival to our golden shores - I've failed completely in instructing him in the art of understanding and identifying the use of The Leak.  In DC, the leak is an effective tool for multiple purposes, as decided case-by-case by the leaker.  These are too numerous to list here.  When there are no leaks, that is often as significant as the leaks themselves.

That there have been no leaks from Muller and his team of any noteworthy crimes or ethical lapses by Trump, his campaign, his transition team, or his administration for nearly a year now is deafening to those paying attention.  That Pud believes there is explosive unleaked material - to be revealed at the proper time and place - stuns and saddens me.  His naivete is cute though, so there's that.

Swishypants

Pud is Elaine's British Boyfriend. Period. He's just over here to bum 20 bucks!


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 31, 2017, 08:23:18 PM
Oh dear.  This is personally embarassing to me.

I've long since realized Pud is simply unable to comprehend separation of powers and the importance of it to our system, coming here in his later years from a country where a dictatorship is empowered by periodic elections.  The prime minister appears only on the ballot in his own district, and may not even win a majority of votes there.  The PM has complete control over both the legislative and executive,

Erm, no they don't. But do continue...


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with the only ''check'' being members of his own government withdrawing support and requiring new elections.  Trained to believe both our systems are ''the same'', i.e., ''democracies'', this major difference in our systems just doesn't translate.  Not really.

In extremis yes, but that isn't how it works in Parliament...Do continue...


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That's not the embarassing part.  It's embarassing that in my attempts to teach Pud, as a new arrival to our golden shores, I've failed completely in instructing him in understanding and identifying the use of The Leak.  In DC, the leak is an effective tool for multiple purposes, as decided case-by-case by the leaker.  These are too numerous to list here.  When there are no leaks, that is often as significant as the leaks themselves.

I'm sorry, you've lost me there...Which leak are you referring to? Faulty shower?

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That there have been no leaks from Muller and his team of any crimes or ethical lapses by Trump, his campaign, his transition team, or his administration is deafening to those paying attention.  That Pud believes there is explosive unleaked material - to be revealed at the proper time and place - stuns and saddens me.  His naivete is cute though, so there's that.

Ahh Mueller. You still didn't address anything I said in my reply to you. Pretty much everything that has been implicated/indicted/pleaded guilty to/found to be contradictory to statements made by the various of Trump's circus are self inflicted. You don't accept Trump Jr released by his own volition, e mails that supported the notion he'd had meetings in Trump Tower with various Russians (Including at least one known close associate of Putin) for the purpose of getting shit (illegally) on Clinton, that his father later tried to dampen down by suggesting it was all about adoptions? Yeah?

chefist

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 08:38:01 PM
Erm, no they don't. But do continue...


In extremis yes, but that isn't how it works in Parliament...Do continue...


I'm sorry, you've lost me there...Which leak are you referring to? Faulty shower?

Ahh Mueller. You still didn't address anything I said in my reply to you. Pretty much everything that has been implicated/indicted/pleaded guilty to/found to be contradictory to statements made by the various of Trump's circus are self inflicted. You don't accept Trump Jr released by his own volition, e mails that supported the notion he'd had meetings in Trump Tower with various Russians (Including at least one known close associate of Putin) for the purpose of getting shit (illegally) on Clinton, that his father later tried to dampen down by suggesting it was all about adoptions? Yeah?

Hope you folks are doing well! Need to catch up soon...all the best!

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: chefist on December 31, 2017, 08:39:41 PM
Hope you folks are doing well! Need to catch up soon...all the best!

PM sent

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Swishypants on December 31, 2017, 08:26:03 PM
Pud is Elaine's British Boyfriend. Period. He's just over here to bum 20 bucks!



I can say without contradiction, I've never dated an Elaine. Ever.

Don't mention it kiddo.

https://youtu.be/Kyf5IaZ4cpc

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 08:38:01 PM
Erm, no they don't. But do continue...

Really?  Who besides the PM's ruling government is in charge of what we call the legislative and executive branches?

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 08:38:01 PM
... I'm sorry, you've lost me there...Which leak are you referring to? Faulty shower?...

No, but thanks for the quick confirmation

albrecht

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 31, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
Really?  Who besides the PM's ruling government is in charge of what we call the legislative and executive branches?
There are some similarities between our countries. Remember how papers could suddenly disappear or appear under the Clinton's aegis? They in the UK also have a nice history of paranormal documents, though stuff far nastier than corrupt land deals etc. Who hired Livingstone anyway?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_paedophile_dossier
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/etc/01301996.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_FBI_files_controversy

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on December 31, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
Really?  Who besides the PM's ruling government is in charge of what we call the legislative and executive branches?

You said the PM. The government is in control of the legislature, but the thing to remember is that the sitting government doesn't always get its own way, especially if as Cameron and now Theresa May is finding out, they had a minority and have to form a coalition. Neither Blair nor Thatcher who had huge majorities got all their legislation through.. And no, unlike the aspirations of Trump, the PM doesn't have control over the judiciary.


But how are you on Trump Jr admitting to wanting shit on Clinton from the Russians? You really are learning from Trump! Change the subject.  ;D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 09:06:46 PM
You said the PM. The government is in control of the legislature, but the thing to remember is that the sitting government doesn't always get its own way, especially if as Cameron and now Theresa May is finding out, they had a minority and have to form a coalition. Neither Blair nor Thatcher who had huge majorities got all their legislation through.. And no, unlike the aspirations of Trump, the PM doesn't have control over the judiciary.


Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 31, 2017, 09:09:00 PM


I'm so glad you brought him up... He's not in a good way at the moment... :(


albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 09:06:46 PM
You said the PM. The government is in control of the legislature, but the thing to remember is that the sitting government doesn't always get its own way, especially if as Cameron and now Theresa May is finding out, they had a minority and have to form a coalition. Neither Blair nor Thatcher who had huge majorities got all their legislation through.. And no, unlike the aspirations of Trump, the PM doesn't have control over the judiciary.


But how are you on Trump Jr admitting to wanting shit on Clinton from the Russians? You really are learning from Trump! Change the subject.  ;D
The Crown does. That is better, having some unelected Germans hold Court over you. No wonder you fled.  ;)

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on December 31, 2017, 09:16:18 PM
Really?! He seems in fine form to me.



Hmmm, thing is Farage has never been an MP.. Ever though he's stood as a candidate.  Claims he's broke, yet draws money from the edifice he despises so much...

GravitySucks

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 09:06:46 PM
You said the PM. The government is in control of the legislature, but the thing to remember is that the sitting government doesn't always get its own way, especially if as Cameron and now Theresa May is finding out, they had a minority and have to form a coalition. Neither Blair nor Thatcher who had huge majorities got all their legislation through.. And no, unlike the aspirations of Trump, the PM doesn't have control over the judiciary.


But how are you on Trump Jr admitting to wanting shit on Clinton from the Russians? You really are learning from Trump! Change the subject.  ;D

Why do all these stories of collusion with Russians start with a British element?  How much collusion was there between the Brits and the deep state to keep Trump from winning?

As far as anyone knows the Obama deep staters knew this chick had ties to the Russian government yet granted her entry into the country to meet with Jr. as far as Junior knowing anything, prove he knew that she had ties to the government. There is nothing illegal about talking to a Russian.

This case was all set up by a Brit. Just like the dossier. And Obama facilitated it by granting her passage to NY, while taking notes.

What am I missing?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: albrecht on December 31, 2017, 09:24:30 PM
The Crown does. That is better, having some unelected Germans hold Court over you. No wonder you fled.  ;)

The Crown does what? Control the judiciary? Its in the monarch's name, but in practice has no more control over it than you do. The monarch can (still) be made to sign their own death warrant. This is what Trump wants. He wants to be and do what he thinks the Queen of the UK and the Commonwealth does. He really ought to have someone read to him her limitations.

albrecht

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 09:27:43 PM

Hmmm, thing is Farage has never been an MP.. Ever though he's stood as a candidate.  Claims he's broke, yet draws money from the edifice he despises so much...
That is what is so hilarious about it. Drawing a salary from the same people he bitches about. Must be so infuriating to Barasso et al and your, maybe soon former, masters in places like Brussels, Strasbourg, and Luxembourg.
ps: did he Fox/Sky deal fall through?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: GravitySucks on December 31, 2017, 09:29:56 PM
Why do all these stories of collusion with Russians start with a British element?  How much collusion was there between the Brits and the deep state to keep Trump from winning?

As far as anyone knows the Obama deep staters knew this chick had ties to the Russian government yet granted her entry into the country to meet with Jr. as far as Junior knowing anything, prove he knew that she had ties to the government. There is nothing illegal about talking to a Russian.

This case was all set up by a Brit. Just like the dossier. And Obama facilitated it by granting her passage to NY, while taking notes.

What am I missing?

Erm, Obama personally facilitated her passage to the US? You're sure?  Oh, I'm sure that will be asked in due course.. His e mails that he published suggest he knew why he was going to have a chat..And chatting to the Russians isn't illegal, procuring information from them pertaining to apolitical opponent is.

GravitySucks

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on December 31, 2017, 09:35:06 PM
Erm, Obama personally facilitated her passage to the US? You're sure?  Oh, I'm sure that will be asked in due course.. His e mails that he published suggest he knew why he was going to have a chat..And chatting to the Russians isn't illegal, procuring information from them is.

What information did he procure?  Why are the Brits always at the start of these set ups?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: GravitySucks on December 31, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
What information did he procure?  Why are the Brits always at the start of these set ups?

I'm sure he'll be able to tell Mueller...His e mails said it was stuff on Clinton.

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