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Quote from: VtaGeezer on November 27, 2015, 11:53:15 AMI felt that way until I put these together:
No official statement by the Sheriff's Dept.
No witnesses' public statements?

Maybe you could fill us in on what's usual from the public info desk of police.  What effort has been made to get a statement from them?

QuoteNo news coverage of an intrusion of a celebrity's home? Not a peep comes up about any of this stuff.

That silence may or may not be significant.  On one hand, fact checking by news pros is often so pitiful that you'd expect something like this to turn up in the news regardless of how shaky it is.  OTOH, being fact checking is so weak, how much significance can be laid to either the presence or absence of stories?

QuoteAnd the big one...an armed stalker lurking about the open Bell compound yet he keeps his wife and little daughter there?

Sure, where he can watch them.  If the stalker is after his family, what good would it do them to separate?  What should he do, hire imposters to get shot in place of them while the real ones sneak out via the tunnel?

I tend to suspect publicity stunts by media people.  For a long time I thought Rush Limbaugh's supposed narcotics addiction was a publicity stunt.  As long as there was no official action (and you never know who's a target of indictment), it was just some statements by a cleaning lady and Limbaugh.  This is more than that, and while it's conceivable that it could all have been set up, and Mr. Bell is after all a showman, I don't think it's fake.

Quote from: SredniVashtar on November 27, 2015, 10:05:10 AMI have never felt that this return from retirement is destined to be long-lasting, personally. I think we have seen numerous occasions in the past when you feel that he gets bored with the gig and is looking for a way out again. I am sure a big part of his return had to do with sticking it to Dave, but you wonder how long that feeling lasts when you are having to get up at unsociable hours and making personal sacrifices, all to pursue a grudge. It would have to wear off after a while, surely?

Maybe.  But I see Jay Demers here in the Bronx & I wonder.  Jay was in charge of the Warrior Football Club since its founding in 1952.  He's had spinal stenosis, a cancer & heart disease recently.  A few yrs. ago his wife died after only a short course of a mysterious illness.  So what'd he do after turning over the Warriors to a new CEO this year?  Return to coaching the kids!

Quote from: ponyboysunset on November 27, 2015, 05:15:34 AMCompletely agree. Why on earth would someone make any of this public?

Because it's better than canceling shows w/o giving a reason, or making something up.

Quote from: twiki on November 27, 2015, 01:25:27 AMAre you implying that Art has made this all up as some type of elaborate exit strategy?

And with the complicity of the police & neighbors?

Quote from: orangecat on November 26, 2015, 12:41:06 PMI agree, I have a feeling daves ratings are tanking bad, many stations are reviewing their programming for 2016 at this time of the year, stations and content providers will try to keep their ratings secret, it tough to find proper ratings for anybody on the internet, but there are ways around it, I have one, but its not scientific or proper in any ways, its just gives you an idea what people think, google "dave full name sucks", make sure you have it in quotes, then google "art bell sucks", you will find around 14700 hits for dave and around 830 hits for art, 14700 to 830 is a huge difference, and don't forget, arts been on for a long time, try different things and see what your results are.

But let's say this is true.  Still...is he a gangster?  You do hear once in a while in the USA of a respectable businessperson who turns out to be a gangster -- Abe Hirschfeld comes to mind -- but they're the rare exception.

I'm betting the perpetrator is a crazy person with ideas of reference -- somebody who hears Art Bell saying space aliens may be kidnapping humans, and thinks "space aliens" is code language for hir.  How dare Art Bell impugn me as a kidnapper, huh?

Quote from: Audiofile on November 26, 2015, 07:41:30 AMPerhaps the F.B.I. needs to step in, due to the fact that Art has a radio show that transmits via cable wire which obviously crosses state lines.

The feds do have statutory jurisdiction in such cases.  That came up when someone from a competing station tried to cut a cable during a remote Howard Stern was doing at some publicity event in Phila. IIRC.  The Communications Act just refers broadly to someone's attempting to "interfere" with a xmission.  That may have been meant only in the sense of r.f. aerial interference, but it's been taken in the spirit of anything forcible's being done to get in the way.

Quote from: HorrorReporter on November 26, 2015, 05:39:17 AMFor the record, I have a summary as well: http://horrorreport.com/art-bell/drama-in-the-desert-art-bell-explains-serious-incident/

The first half hour of this show was one of the most chilling I have ever heard from Art. The reality of this is insane to contemplate.
(Apologies for linking my own site, I typically avoid such tacky behavior among friends but figured it was easiest)

Thanks.  I don't think that's tacky at all.  I suppose it could be tacky if you went out of your way to shift discussion there, and not even then if discussion bogged down here.  Linking to avoid dupl'n is what the WWW is about.

Quote from: Grifynne on November 26, 2015, 01:34:09 AMHere's a summary:

Art said that on Nov. 18th someone called his house and told him they would kill him and his family if he went on air. He was mad and ignored them (but didn't make that incident public at the time).

Then the recent incident involved someone creeping around his studio (a security light popped on, which prompted him to check). He saw them through the window crouching right along the outside wall. He grabbed his gun and when he went to confront them they took off on foot into the nearby BLM land. He said one of the lights was pointed toward him which ruined his night vision so he didn't get a good look at the person before they took off.

It sounds like he really upped security based on his comments (no idea what he did, but he indicated it after sharing the details). He said his wife and daughter slept on the floor 3 days in a row because of all this. He also commented that they have an idea of a few people it could be but have no evidence (and obviously can't go publicly accusing someone without evidence).

Thank you soooo much for this summary.  I'm not a subscriber, & I fell asleep & woke up just in time to miss the 1st segment last night.

This is the trouble w the great intimacy of talking on the radio (and/or stream): You get sympathy from the like of us, but you also get people who take things personally the bad way, & some of them are nuts enough to act on it.  I can't help but think about that talker in Denver who was assassinated.

Darn, I fell asleep just as the show opened, missed the explanation.  I hope it's summarized somewhere.

Quote from: Donald Noory on November 25, 2015, 01:26:03 PM1.George Noory showed up at his door with two nerf swords and challenged him to a sword fight to determine who is the king of late-night wacko radio

"No, George, that's not how you sword fight.  This is how you sword fight."

Quote from: VtaGeezer on November 25, 2015, 01:21:55 PMNot far off the mark for Pahrump NV.  God knows what his fixation on that dump is. A desert Green Acres with meth labs and a brothel.

Space for the ant. array, and I'm guessing the air was good for Ramona.

I must admit that it used to sound electrifying when he announced, "From Manila in the Philippines...."  Although "high desert" and "land of Nye" had its charm too because of the pun between "Nye" and "nigh".

Quote from: trostol on November 25, 2015, 12:52:22 PMcould be..but we never heard any thing more from that shooting incident leaving that mystery still  maybe less than it was to me

i still would like to know what this ..neighborhood looks like...he has neighbors but also 5 acres or something..is his place fenced in..is that even possible.

Search here for the period ~2 mos. ago when that previous incident occurred.  Someone posted sufficient info to survey via the Google camera car.  There is fence around much of the property.  It is at the end of a dead end but also backs (thru fence) on another street.  Bldgs. are far enough apart & ground level enough that many neighbors could have a good view of intruders.

Well wishes from here too, concerned.

I'm far from the 1st to remark about how personal a medium radio b'casting is.  It's both the blessing & the curse of the performer in the medium.  I mean, Art Bell doesn't know me from Adam, yet the illusion of talking to us as individuals is frequently present.  Being on late at night when there are few distractions magnifies that illusion.  So here I am worrying about him & his family as if we were friends.

Want to comment the rerun here?  Or find the old thread?

Quote from: Izintit? on November 24, 2015, 08:01:40 AMNoory is the new Herb Jepko. If you`re old enough you might remember Jepko and his geriatric  "Nightcaps"  discussing the weather and their various medical problems, often with five second pauses between sentences. Not exactly riveting radio but it wasn`t supposed to be- just mainly regular callers from around the country checking in until they were tired enough to go to sleep.

Yes, I've brought up that show as what late night radio talk used to be.  It was on a few 50 kW clear-channel stations, not a large network but great coverage, consisted mainly of small talk such as you describe, & had an audience of mostly long haul truckers.  Its aim was to be inoffensive.

But Noory doesn't succeed at being inoffensive, so he's not turning C2C into Nightcap.  He's not much of a sympathetic ear to phoners-in as that program's hosts were, and most of the time he has guests.

Quote from: FLLFlash on November 24, 2015, 03:10:35 PMWhat most of the complainers are picking up on is academic affectation. I was educated by a bunch of high academics and they almost all have it - some more that others. It doesn't really bother me, but it seems many people find it off-putting. In reality we're pretty lucky the guy spends as much time speaking to the public as he does. That his feet don't quite touch the terra firma of reality shouldn't really be a surprise. Such is the case with many physicists and mathematicians. Most of them can't speak to anyone outside their profession, let alone the general public.

That's why Richard Feynman was so loved.

At least it doesn't seem to be such a problem w biologists, chemists, & engrs.  The ones I've known could go from very technical to just plain people-talk in an instant, no problem.

Quote from: K_Dubb on November 24, 2015, 12:33:17 PMYeah I think you've got it.  He has that tone common in IT departments of a person who knows he's smarter than everybody else and relies on a thin veneer of non-threatening verbal signalling -- uptalk, polite laughs, artificially high voice -- to cover the arrogance beneath.

Yeah, plenty of that.  Superciliousness mixed w glibness.  I just don't connect with him.

Oh heck, my students used to take me as off-putting plenty of time too, no matter how I tried to connect.  It's not something easily turned off or on.

Quote from: analog kid on November 24, 2015, 08:59:21 AMWhat about him is unlikable?

Kaku?  Glibness.  Even though he has great expertise, I always get a sense with him that he's speaking with unjustified self-assuredness.

Quote from: ziznak on November 24, 2015, 08:27:06 AMPretty good show.  I can deal with some kaku here and there.

Yes, me too, as one of those 1-segment 1st-hour guests in response to a news hook.  Same with Hoagland, Sweeney, and the others they used to do that with on C2C with Bell, Noory, & sometimes other emcees.  That was one of the great things I liked about C2C for many yrs., & it's something even Noory couldn't mess up badly.  In fact, Art's default 1st hr. opening of no-topic phone calls was usually a letdown for me when it was announced, even though sometimes turned out pretty good.

Quote from: Zzzzillion on November 24, 2015, 01:50:22 AMYeah, I join the others here who find Kaku boring as hell.

He's always been annoyingly glib to my taste.  It's not Kaku's subject matter that bores me, in fact it interests me more than most, just his style, even when I've seen him in person.  He might've been good to take classes from at CUNY, but not a less formal setting.  I've taught college too, & I can bore w the best of 'em!

Quote from: nooryisawesome on November 23, 2015, 12:22:44 AMDue to the large number of affiliates C2C has, I doubt their numbers change much. C2C will keep most of their affiliates as it is pretty much IhateART owned. As others have mentioned they cant drop the show without dropping Rush and other high profile day time shows. It just isn't going to happen.

I've faced that sort of situation, whereby it's hard to penetrate with a superior product in an environment where the marketing is tied to various things that make the superiority of one little bit seem insignificant.

I invented a superior foaming formula, primarily for bubble bath, so as not to cause urogenital irritation yet make satisfyingly dense foam.  First I tried licensing the invention to big companies in the business -- everybody suggested J&J -- to no avail.  Then I resorted to having a batch made & trying to sell it in stores.  Tough nut to crack.  I considered buying a dog to wag the tail, i.e. acquiring a small maker of soaps & toiletries, just to add a product to their line, but didn't think I was cut out for such a business.  I invent, I don't market.

Same sort of thing happened when I tried to sell a small line of dietary supplements from Advanced Research 2000.  Couldn't get it onto store shelves, could hardly even get to talk to retailers, when they were all about filling shelves with large lines of products from big companies.  So I thought maybe I could add to the line by picking up a couple of products from other makers, like Beutlich, where I thought a product w advantages was under- or mis-marketed.  I even had the bright idea of pushing these "smart drug" supplements to casinos, thinking that if people thought they could gamble better with such products, it'd pay for casinos to give them away.  None of my ideas bore fruit.

In each case I knew, I mean really knew, objectively, that I had something others didn't have.  But I couldn't sell it.  That may also be the reason I'm broke & have spent most of my life un- or under-employed.

Not familiar with this particular story, but the theme of an accidental visit to a place where someone's living outside of surrounding societal strictures is a pretty common one in fiction & especially satire.

Quote from: albrecht on November 22, 2015, 06:08:06 PMI think a lot of them, except Tommy who needs to be Norry's handler, are asleep or allowed to work from "home" and get a decent paycheck so figure why not?

Indeed, radio's full of stories about overnight DJs who got away with things for long periods only because mgmt. wasn't paying att'n.

QuoteAs others mention the time-slot is not that active (night-owls, shut-ins, drunks, truckers, shift workers, meth heads, etc) and C2C still has a reputation, thanks to Art.

Indeed, mention the program & most of the people aware of it say, "Oh, you mean Art Bell?"  Of course those are people who rarely if ever listen to C2C.

Yes, affiliates probably think of it as a program tossed in for free.

C2C still functions somewhat well as an "anthology lecture" series with some guests as long as Noory just shuts up.

Quote from: 4th Mesa on November 22, 2015, 03:32:23 AMObvious lack of preparation (both for interviews and prepared scripts), mispronunciations (of even simple current events/words), regular irrelevant anecdotes that serve only to place Jorch at the heart of the conversation (and often seem to come out of nowhere), and blatant shilling.

I wouldn't mind so much if he just came in cold & were clueless, but he frequently gives convincing evidence that he's not even paying att'n to his own show while he's on it, which makes the whole endeavor useless.

Quote from: Paper*Boy on November 22, 2015, 03:32:02 AMIt's simply astonishing how bad he is.  Nearly anyone pulled off the street could do better with a small amount of coaching.

I've heard worse, but rarely.  One was a lady on a college station who announced the show as "That's........Interesting" with about that long a pause, sounded like she was falling asleep the entire several minutes I could stand to tune in, ~30 yrs. ago.  Another was a guy paying for time on WVNJ ~20 yrs. ago; I phoned in on air to do him a favor by telling him how awful he was & that he should practice on a college or community station that wouldn't cost him anything.  I briefly caught a pair of college kids doing a basketball game breathlessly.  But none of these were people being paid to do a 'cast.

There are soooo many ways to practice being good with your voice for an audience, it's hard to believe someone could get far and be bad for long unless they just didn't give a shit.  And I'm convinced that's the case w Noory.  He didn't start out this bad, he got in a lot of practice doing a crap broadcast.  Indeed, I don't remember his being so bad 15 yrs. ago.

Quote from: Hank on September 26, 2015, 02:03:01 PMI would suggest doing your Windows install first. There'll be a screen to create/edit/delete partitions. You can tell it to create a partition for roughly half of the drive.

Then, install Linux (whatever distro you decide on). There should be an option to install along side of Windows.

The Linux install should set up the bootloader, so you'll have an option of which OS to start when you boot/reboot the machine.

This is something I've done on a couple machines.  I recommend giving more space to the Windows side, using a file system that Linux can read.  That gives you greater flexibility as to where to store stuff, when you might have some data that's useless to Linux but useful to Windows.  Then be verrrry careful about updating/upgrading the Windows, so you don't wind up shutting Linux out subsequently.

Quote from: NefariousBanana on November 05, 2015, 05:58:46 AMI'm a time traveler and I'm subscribed to the podcast on my phone.  As I was listening to the show on October 30th, I heard the voice of a woman that I know wasn't supposed to be there and surely wasn't Barbara.  The voice appears somewhere around 47:40 on my file.  I can't make out specifically what the voice is saying.  It sounds as clear as Art, I'm almost positive it wasn't one of the EVP recordings that Barbara shared.

Update: I downloaded it a second time and lo and behold, I hear the voice again.  I trimmed the audio out and uploaded it to vocaroo.  Does anybody know where this is coming from?

http://vocaroo.com/i/s04HnKPvbqBN

Hah, that's cute, wouldn't be surprised if it was Art's intentional gag, something like the way Neil Cicierega embeds sounds.

I see her billed as a guest on tonight's C2C, & realize she's distinct from Linda Moulton Howe.  Bound to confuse some, curse of a common name.

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on November 14, 2015, 09:13:09 PMHmm...sounds like a deal with the devil and traditionally they don't usually work out so well. This reminds me of the story about the town who had a rat problem and so they got some snakes...well, needless to say it didn't end there.

That in turn reminds me of Dashiel Hammett's Red Harvest.

Quote from: anagrammy on February 11, 2011, 12:49:20 AMHorses have to be able to identify a predator; otherwise, they would never have survived.  They are extremely uncomfortable around any animal that is unidentified.

But you can't use their failure to identify something as an example of identifying a predator!