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#421
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 12:51:08 PM
Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2018, 12:38:39 PM
You see, this is what the left understands and the right doesn't. You can take power, even in very tough regimes, but it takes discipline, courage and intelligence. And, most importantly, organisation. They already had one go in Iran. They're not only young in Iran, they are also highly educated. Things will change, you just have to be patient. The only way it won't is if you bomb them and turn them against the west.

I like the open borders idea, though. I'm obviously getting through to you.

Well, let's see, they took power in 1979, and mostly what they've done since is grow their regional terror organizations.  We're going on 40 years, how long, exactly, will it take for the ''young'' to grow up and take power?

No one is advocating bombing Iran.  The sanctions left the future of the regime very much in doubt, until Obama illegally declared them over.  A colossal failure and betrayal on his part.  So much for ''the left understanding something the right doesn't''. 


I agree the young educated population in Iran is strongly anti-regime.  It's a delicate balancing act trying to assist them without that being used against them by the current government.  I'm not so sure destroying their nuclear facilities is going to permanently set the anti-regime population against us.  Even so, our interest there is the removal of the nuclear threat, not the makeup of the government
#422
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 12:32:41 PM
Quote from: TigerLily on June 12, 2018, 07:52:49 AM
The agreement Clinton signed with a Kim held 9 years. I sincerely hope Trump's agreement - with all the necessary specifics and conditions still to come - surpasses that

Besides, we need all those security forces protecting South Korea turned on our new national security threat, Canada

It's not about simply getting a treaty or or how long an agreement lasts. 

With that treaty, NK got funds, food, supplies, and technology upfront - which they used for their military and bought time to develop nuclear weapons.  Are you really holding that out as a good deal?
#423
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 12:26:01 PM
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 12, 2018, 10:13:37 AM
Then Churchill showed up and showed the kids how to lead. We had the Blitz, the Battle of Britain, essentially going it alone. Prescott Bush meanwhile had been helping to finance Hitler's side of the game. Still no hard feelings.

Then you voted him out, so you could vote in a government to give everyone ''free'' stuff. 
#424
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: Kidnostad3 on June 12, 2018, 07:56:32 AM
Kim has stopped launching missiles, released prisoners and signed an agreement indicating his willingness to denuclearize.  All this without a shot being fired, plane loads of cash being tendered or one sanction being lifted.   Naysaying is the only thing left to the feckless timid left.  It’s rhetoric today  is virtually identical to that it spewed when Reagan was busy dismantling the Soviet Union. 

Maybe you can tell us exactly what you would consider progress at this point if not what Trump has achieved.

Progress for them is taking back Congress and impeaching Trump.

Beyond that, nothing.  Oh, they have ideas - it's just that they can't tell the American public what they are, or their party would be voted out of existence.
#425
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 12:11:03 PM
Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2018, 07:24:27 AM
... Iran has a very young, western-friendly population, and it's a matter of playing a long game until they are old enough to take power...

Yes they do.  You get that not every country is a democracy, with the people deciding who will be governing, right? 

Do you really think a person who is not a loyal party member, spending years at various government posts propping up the regime, is ever going to be taking power, that the regime will be fine with that?  Just because we were fortunate to shepherd the fairly peaceful collapse of the Soviet Union and the rise of a freer China doesn't mean this is the norm.  It isn't

Why not go all the way and advocate we eliminate borders, police, courts, military and other national security departments, and so on.  Everything will all work out when the young grow up and take power, right?

#426
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 12:01:19 PM
Quote from: 21st Century Man on June 12, 2018, 07:13:27 AM
Speaking of propping, up regimes.  Last time I checked it was the left propping up regimes in Iran with that fake deal...

Don't forget some of their favorite dungeons right here around the Caribbean.  Venezuela, Cuba, and now Nicaragua. 

Or sure, they don't talk about them as much anymore, Hollywood and DC celebrities aren't breathlessly returning with tales of finally experiencing utopia, but they haven't given up yet.
#427
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 11:57:28 AM
Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2018, 05:13:40 AM
... Why can't I show a pic of Trump shaking hands with Putin and use it as evidence of collusion? Because I'm not a wanker.

So you're accusing the entire Demokrat Party and the fake news media of being wankers.  Finally agreement.  I admire your succinctness.
#428
Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2018, 08:43:04 AM
'Kathy' being Kathleen 'Sweet Kathy ' Enfield, Senda's girlfriend and possible sister. The world's first human/buffalo hybrid, fond of wandering about in the nude.

Hey, spoiler alert!
#429
How To Use BellGab / Re: Avatar Image Help
June 12, 2018, 11:42:48 AM
Yes, rats with nice tails.

Here's my dragonfly, no coloring on the wings

#430
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 02:09:44 AM
Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2018, 01:58:23 AM
No, reporters aren't there to be dignified. They are there to ask questions and piss people off.

If they are going to ask a question in a setting where they would expect to get an answer, instead of acting like their usual buffoon selves

It's sure strange that you know all about what Trump's motives were, what they were talking about, how it all would work out, yet aren't sure what the CNN moron was trying to do.

Anyway, it's up to Singapore to decide what they are willing to put up with.  It appears they prudently kept the fools at a proper distance.
#431
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 02:04:04 AM
Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2018, 01:55:52 AM
You've got to admit this was a great success. Kim gets his face on media all over the world, further propping up his kleptocratic regime...

Yes, anyone thinking about overthrowing him will think twice now that he's been on TV


Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2018, 01:55:52 AM
... Even the dumbest N Korean knows now that Trump treats his enemies much better than his friends...

With ''friends'' like the EU globalists, who needs enemies.

You do realize dealing with trading partners used to routinely cheating us on trade agreements is different from dealing with true enemies developing nuclear weapons pointed at us, right?  Or are you like Pud, who believe in treating every nation the same, regardless


Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2018, 01:55:52 AM
... Nukes are the only thing you need to be taken seriously by Trump, so I imagine all the pissant countries in the world will be trying their hardest to enrich uranium now...

Well, after Obama greenlighted Iran's nuclear weapon and ICBM projects, the Saudis, Egypt, and Turkey got very nervous, and began looking at their own situation regarding nuclear weaponry.  At least Trump is trying to reduce them, instead of exacerbating the problem.
#432
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 01:56:03 AM
Quote from: GravitySucks on June 12, 2018, 01:10:07 AM
I just gave it to you. The sanctions weren’t even enforced until Trump took office. I won’t engage you further on this. Take it up with PB. I have a headache.

She has enough to absorb for one day
#433
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 01:55:27 AM
Quote from: TigerLily on June 12, 2018, 12:54:12 AM
Seems like a fair question to me. Isn't that what "denuclearization" is all about?

Yes, it was a very fair question.  Something we all would like to have the answer to.

Let me ask you this:  Do you think he expected to get a response?  Do you think he didn't know that wasn't going to be decided today? Do you think he was asking a ''fair question'', or do you think he was working his schtick?  Do you think US reporters should act out on a foreign stage the way they do at presidential press conferences here, or would you prefer they act with a bit of dignity?
#434
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 01:50:55 AM
Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 12, 2018, 01:40:52 AM
... As PB said, this was a brilliant success...

Is that really what PB said?
#435
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 12:36:36 AM
Quote from: Kizuna Ai on June 12, 2018, 12:15:17 AM
The absolute state of CNN "reporting"

https://twitter.com/RealDrGina/status/1006358912747163648

Yeah, but Trump's the oaf.  He's the one with no manners, no nuance, no sense of self control.  He's the loose cannon, who is only there for self aggrandizement.

For the people who watch CNN, are you proud of this?  Do you think this is different from what they regularly accuse Trump of, while pretending they're the ones who should be lecturing everyone else on how to conduct themselves?

Do you get why no one but the most easily led of dupes watches CNN anymore?
#436
Quote from: brig on June 11, 2018, 11:35:01 PM
By the way, I don't think that was nice to say to the guest "The trouble with stories like yours".  I think you should have said "The trouble with being live on the air with scheduled commercials".  Just my opinion...

No, if Heater said it that way, it was because Art must have said it that way somewhere along the line. 

And we can't question her on that.  She's the Art Bell legacy incarnate after all
#437
Quote from: Happier Times are Coming on June 11, 2018, 09:37:30 PM
so FAT FALKIE, who doesn’t rise from the sofa bed until 12 noon or later...
is leaving for AlienCON at 7:30 AM ?
yeah, right

where is the FAT FALKIE personal assistant/chauffeur anyway ?
oh, “car trouble”...
LOL...

Hopefully there won't be another terrifying ''earthquake'' as Falkie rumbles over the footbridge on the way to Amtrack
#438
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 12, 2018, 12:07:09 AM
Quote from: TigerLily on June 11, 2018, 07:14:11 PM
The "summit" is enough to bring me out of retirement. This is a farce. No one but Trump, Kim and two interpreters. Not one security, diplomatic expert/adviser.They will both come out telling any lies they want. This is nothing but a photo op with a lot of crowing and preening and lies to follow

Yes, they should let the fake reporters at CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/NYT/WP/LAT etc sit in and think of ways to sabotage the summit with lies, spin, and personal attacks. 

Why would Trump need various aides?  He's been working on this for weeks, and should be as informed on the broad issues as anyone else.  Summits are usually based on what's been worked out leading up to them, the leaders discuss things at a high level, and leave the details to be ironed out before of after.

You really aren't aware of this? 

This is just more attacks from Democrats, or in this case from someone programmed by talking head Democrats on TV, worried Trump is going to do something good for the country and get credit for it. 

#439
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 11:54:14 PM
The arrogance of these ass-wipe Libs is breathtaking.  It isn't enough for the idiots they supported to rack up failure after failure - they still know it all.

We went through all this every step of the way with Reagan.  Oh how the media and the Libs hated him.  Why?  Because he was successful in getting things done that greatly benefitted the country, and the opposition party saw that as them losing - so they opposed all of it.  It's disgusting.  Pathetic.

#440
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 11:50:55 PM
Quote from: TigerLily on June 11, 2018, 11:03:59 PM
So, tell me. What would constitute a successful summit? Tell me quick before Trump tells you what to say

You came back to proclaim your ignorance.  Good for you.  You've really bought into the narrative that Trump is a dumb guy, haven't you.

Let me help you out, since the only thing you pay attention to are people lying to you in an attempt to regain power.  Trump is attempting to begin historic talks that may - may - result in ending the hostility between North Korea and South Korea, and offer future trade and investment to vastly improve the country and the lives of the impoverished North Koreans, in exchange for reducing their nuclear threat, and possibly their conventional artillery arsenal pointed at Seoul.  It's similar to what Nixon did with China.

This is not a foolish, immature president like Bill Clinton, who gave them cash, aid, and technology for ''peaceful'' nuclear energy program in exchange for future promises they didn't keep.  This is not a foolish, cowardly president like Berock Obama, who gave Iran planeloads of cash, access to world financial markets, paid ransom for hostages, and removed sanctions - all for future promises they didn't keep.

The North Koreans are going to get little to nothing upfront, maybe something as a goodwill gesture, but that's it.  If they don't agree to reduce tensions, reduce certain weapons over time, then we walk away.  And it's a one-time offer, at least with this president.  At least that's the threat for now to induce them to treat this seriously.  To convince them they are not dealing with an easily played Clinton or Obama.  It's nice to finally have a president who knows how to deal with people like this again.

What is your solution?  Do nothing?  Do what Clinton and Obama did?  Don't you think a person who supported Bill Clinton and Berock Obama should keep quiet and try to learn something, instead of lecturing the people who were right about them and their reckless, dangerous deals in the first place?
#441
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 11:32:30 PM
Quote from: Gd5150 on June 11, 2018, 07:58:12 PM
... Are they happy? Of course not. Because for the worthless demokkkrat party and their pathetic lemmings, control is all that matters...

No, no, they're for the working class.  Really, they are.  They always say so.  Didn't some of them confess that the party had gotten way off track in catering to the America haters, that they understood why they lost the election (and the House, and the Senate, and all those governorships, and all those state legislative seats during Obama's term...), and were going to address it for the 2018 elections.

Didn't they say that?  Didn't they say they were going to work to do all the things Trump actually came in and did?  Yet here they are opposing it every step of the way, and lying about it. 

Maybe we can ask Tiger Lily what happened with all that before she leaves
#442
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 11:26:11 PM
Quote from: TigerLily on June 11, 2018, 07:14:11 PM
The "summit" is enough to bring me out of retirement. This is a farce. No one but Trump, Kim and two interpreters. Not one security, diplomatic expert/adviser.They will both come out telling any lies they want. This is nothing but a photo op with a lot of crowing and preening and lies to follow

We're still waiting for you to name Obama's foreign policy accomplishments.  Heck, let's make it easier, name something he didn't fuck up and worsen.
#443
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 01:02:39 PM
The poll showing Trump at 40% and Obama at 60% is comparing apples and oranges.  A fake news poll specialty.

Obama has been out of office for a year and a half.  He's had nothing but lavish praise since being elected.  He hasn't presented a policy that pissed anyone off since leaving office.  Plus, we know the fake news media is going to use false inputs to inflate his poll number.  These polls about the popularity of these people are taken in the abstract - they would be far different if those being polled were asked to choose between two candidates with differing policies, rather than whether they view the one person favorably.

Same with Trump and the 40%.  That's a pretty good number for someone who's making current policy, as every policy creates enemies.  It's a pretty good number for a person being constantly attacked, smeared, and lied about by the media.  We know the fake news media used false inputs to deflate his number, so we know it's actually higher.  And again, it's a thumbs up or down on Trump, which is going to give a different result than a poll between two candidates with differing sets of policies.

That the only polls that matter are at election time, I wonder who would get booed and who would get cheered at a baseball game.  I recommend Mr Obama and his fragile ego not attend and find out.
#444
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 12:23:35 PM
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 11, 2018, 08:26:18 AM
He has somewhere hovering around 40% support (Essentially he hasn't increased his support since taking office)...Obama had more than 60% AFTER he left office...

Yorkie loves him some fake polls, fake statistics, and fake news.  He never gets enough of it, no matter how many times he's shown his sources feed him incorrect information.

What Pud and the Libs refuse to understand is they are getting filtered news.  They are getting opinion masquerading as news.  They are getting polls and statistics based on intentionally biased inputs.  What they don't seem to grasp is the rest of us receive all that information as well, but we also hear the news that is left out, the news that is presented more fairly and accurately, opposing opinions that are presented as opinions, even certain interesting statistics that were ignored by the pretend media.  Some of us have at least some background in statistics, can see through fake stats and polls, and know enough to not take whatever the fake media presents as fact just because it's numerical form.

In short, we have more information than they do.  And it's more rounded.  They much be very confused, because much of what they believe doesn't even make sense.
#445
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 11:52:20 AM
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 11, 2018, 08:53:22 AM
I don't think they should either. I think Putin should be isolated...

I see.  The moral cowards of the EU think the US should not try to get a better working relationship with Putin and the Russians when it would be in our best interests to do so, but by no means should their trade with Russia be disrupted.

And the same with the terror regime in Iran.  European trade with Iran is the top priority, and everything else is just something to play politics with.  No wonder Trump left the meetings early.

#446
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 11:47:54 AM
Quote from: SredniVashtar on June 11, 2018, 08:41:16 AM
Back in the somewhat good old days, the right had a few principles. It didn't mean you had to like them but at least you know where they stood...

I think you mean the Libs. 
#447
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 11:41:21 AM
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 11, 2018, 08:37:40 AM

Do you know why Russia was thrown out of the then G8? You think that should be rewarded with their continued participation? Maybe back in 90, Saddam should have been given a pass invading Kuwait, or back in 39 Hitler shouldn't have had war declared on him after invading Poland?...

It's absurd to think we need to treat every country the same.  That's another example of the foolishness of Liberalism.

Russia isn't the pissant country Saddam's Iraq was.  It's not exactly Hitler's Germany ultimately threatening us either.  We ignore Russia at our peril.  And that's the point, isn't it - to do what's in OUR best interests.  And our best interests is to have ties with Russia. 


Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 11, 2018, 08:37:40 AM
It's funny how all the rest of NATO and none NATO countries see Russia (Mainly Putin) as an adversary, and not having the best interests of Ukraine or its people at heart...

No one is saying Putin is a good guy.  That's just yet another smear of Trump, when what he's trying to put us in a better position to deal with Putin and the Russians.  Who cares what the EU thinks about it, I'm not hearing any brilliant plans regarding Russia from them.

We don't need lessons in morality from a bunch of countries who've handed their sovereignty to the EU, who in turn is in the process of handing their countries over to a bunch of illiterate violent Moslems.

These are the same countries who did nothing when Russia invaded Ukraine (so much for the interests of Ukraine or it's people).  The EU as a whole is much more powerful than Russia, so what was the problem there?

These are also the same cowardly countries who applauded Obama's cowardly treaty with Iran, a far worse government.  And who are even now trying to find a cowardly way of undermining and going around Trump's ending of that treaty.  I guess the cowardly EU doesn't give a hoot about the best interests of the people of Iran, preferring to prop up that horrible dictatorship



Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 11, 2018, 08:37:40 AM
... because Trump is Putin's bitch...

Tiresome.  Still waiting for evidence. 

This is quite the smear job.  Accuse Trump of colluding with a major power.  Tie up his presidency by distracting him with this.  Use any normal interaction he has with said country to repeat the smear.  Good god man, go back to your little island, we have enough home grown pukes to deal with


Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 11, 2018, 08:37:40 AM
... because Trump is Putin's bitch, all of a sudden Putin is a new best friend, and the rest of the allies are adversaries.. If this plays out as it could, Trump is going to find himself in a very isolated position...

Incidentally: You know don't you that Russian mercenaries have killed allied troops (including quite a lot of US marines) in Syria and Iraq?...

We've killed some of theirs as well.  If I recall, it was Obama welcoming the Russians into Syria, when in the past it was a red line the US did not allow any Russian troops into the Middle East, period.  Looking at the facts from 2009 to present, the only conclusion one could draw is Obama was Putin's bitch, not Trump.  Trump is the grownup, trying to fix BO's various messes.

As far as our allies isolating the US, so what really.  Europe is gone, and the sooner people understand that and act accordingly the better we'll all be for it.  Let's just hope we don't allow the dumb Ds here to take us down the path Western Europe is on.

Imagine Europe left to keep the peace among themselves.  Left to sustain themselves economically.  Go ahead, isolate yourselves from us
#448
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 11, 2018, 08:22:25 AM

You don't know? The electoral college system.  I guess my circle of friends and acquaintances see Trump for what he is. In fairness one or two supported him when he ran for the candidacy but the closer it got to the election they changed their mind.

Well yeah, he did win the Electoral College - going away.  He also won half of the actual votes cast (illegal aliens and all), and a solid majority of the votes cast by American citizens.  So if your premise is 99% of Americans voted against him, but somehow the Electoral College negated the vote, you're wrong.

As far as your circle of friends seeing Trump for what he is, all well and good.  Do they not see the other choice - Hilary Clinton - for what she is?  Frankly, Trump has done quite a bit of good for this country since taking office, despite all the obstacles the shit-heels and sore losers have thrown in his way. 

Hilary Clinton has zero lifetime accomplishments, and her instincts are much the same as Obama's.  Had Mrs Clinton won, there would be millions fewer jobs, more illegal immigrants, and far less respect from our allies and trading partners.  Have your circle of friends spent any time contemplating that?
#449
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 11:11:24 AM
Quote from: PaulAtreides on June 11, 2018, 08:13:29 AM
Isolated?  Really?  Putin just has Trump by the short hairs and he is trying to rebuild the old USSR by the aggression against such as Crimea and Ukrain.  Trump aids and abets it.

Oh right.  Trump should send the military in now.  That would get all the dumb Ds on his side, right? 

Your post would have been a lot more accurate if you substituted ''Obama and Clinton'' for ''Trump'', and posted if several years ago.
#450
Politics / Re: President Donald J. Trump
June 11, 2018, 10:52:43 AM
Quote from: PaulAtreides on June 11, 2018, 07:14:37 AM
...  The latest, of course, being pimping for Russia again suggesting it should be back in the G-7 after being kicked out by the world community for Putins actions in Crimea and the Ukraine.

First off, if the Russians had a favorite in the race it was Hilary Clinton.  Weak.  Incompetent.  Corrupt.  Someone they could easily pay off.  She's the one with the fake ''dossier'', courtesy of the Russians.  She's the one with the fake information about Trump and Russian prostitutes peeing on him.  She's the sleaze in this little morality play.

To address your post:  Russia attacked Crimea and Ukraine.  The US and Britain had a treaty with Russian and Ukraine - igned by Bill Clinton - that we would defend Ukraine's borders, in exchange for them giving up the nuclear weapons remaining in their country after the breakup of the Soviet Union. 

Berock Obama and his Secretary of State Hilary Clinton chose to do nothing when Russia took the Crimea, and chose to do nothing when they supported ethnic Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine.  Obama and Hilary Clinton even refused to send defensive weapons to our allies in Ukraine.  It's standard for a country doing nothing to talk big, make threats, cut various ties, etc for a period of time, then at some point decide the point has been made and thaw the relationship.

As far as that treaty, Bill Clinton signed it for expediency.  I don't think anyone expected us to ever intervene between Russia and Ukraine, it was more of an agreement that Russia ''should'' respect the new borders.  The areas from the Ukraine to the Caucasus to Central Asia have been fought over for centuries.  We don't have an interest in where the borders should be or who is governing them.  We ought to stay out of it.

Beyond that, are you suggesting we should never have anything to do with Russia?  A major nation we are not at war with, but have quite a few mutual interests and a few possible flash points.  That makes sense to you?  But that Iran deal was great, wasn't it.

After the Iran deal, it's difficult to take people like you who supported it seriously.  Well, it was difficult before, let's say it's more difficult now.


Oh wait, this is all about smearing Trump.  Never mind
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