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Started by Juan, February 14, 2018, 03:53:26 PM

Roswells, Art

Quote from: Jackstar on February 27, 2018, 05:57:13 PM
How was the yearbook photo from 2015 generated in your dimension? Asking for a friend.

Let me talk to your friend. He might be an actor.

Roswells, Art

Quote from: Roswells, Art on February 27, 2018, 05:46:32 PM
I don't know what you are referring to. If it is what conspiracists say about Hogg being an actor, I don't think so in that sense. He may be one in the sense that he and the other high school students protesting are oppurtunists, though.

I remember when I was in Junior High (somewhere between 7th and 9th grade). Some kid died during summer break by falling off a cliff. He didn't have many friends, he had been in a few of my classes. Just a normal kid. I'm pretty sure when most people heard he died they had to try to remember whom he was. After a few weeks of being back from summer break we we forced to go to his memorial in the cafeteria. There all the kids in the popular clique went on stage to say what a great friend he was. I remember rolling my eyes because I knew they never talked to the kid. They just wanted the spotlight. I wonder how many of the dead students are now these young protesters best friends "He was like a brother to me".

I forgot to mention I was listening to NPR a long time ago where a reporter went to Columbine High School for the ten year anniversary of that massacre and asked one of the students what they thought about it. Her response was something like "That was ten years ago, get over it." heh, yeah, that's some really pro active sensitive teenager. In her defense she was probably upset that her favorite mascara was being discontinued. We've all been there. Priorities people!

ItsOver

Quote from: Up All Night on February 26, 2018, 09:18:31 PM
I’m no coward, says deputy who didn’t go inside Parkland school during massacre

Broward Deputy Scot Peterson says he is no coward.

The longtime campus cop at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High has been nationally ridiculed over the last week for his response to a mass shooter on campus â€" including by no less than President Donald Trump, who on Monday proclaimed that he likely would have charged in himself, even unarmed.

On Monday, Peterson pushed back against the critics in his first public statement, essentially arguing he did the right things in an uncertain, chaotic situation. “Allegations that Mr. Peterson was a coward and that his performance, under the circumstances, failed to meet the standards of police officers are patently untrue,” according to the statement sent from Fort Lauderdale attorney Joseph DiRuzzo.

Last week, Broward Sheriff Scott Israel took the extraordinary step of singling out Peterson for failing to engage with confessed killer Nikolas Cruz as he gunned down 17 people â€" an accusation that has turned the one-time school resource officer of the year into a political scapegoat for a string of local and federal law enforcement errors revolving around Cruz.

Peterson said he did not storm the halls looking for the shooter because he initially “heard gunshots but believed those gunshots were originating from outside of the buildings on the school campus,” according to the statement. “BSO trains its officers that in the event of outdoor gunfire one is to seek cover and assess the situation in order to communicate what one observes with other law enforcement.”

He “took up a tactical position” between two other buildings next to Building 12, where Cruz spent six minutes unleashing gunfire with an AR-15 assault-style rifle.

“Let there be no mistake,’’ DiRuzzo’s statement continued, “Mr. Peterson wishes that he could have prevented the untimely passing of the 17 victims on that day.”

The response from Peterson comes four days after Israel, in a stunning revelation, called a press conference to suggest that Peterson had failed in his duty to engage Cruz, who slipped away but was soon captured off school grounds. The sheriff said Peterson waited outside Building 12 for four full minutes while Cruz continued the slaughter inside. Officers are generally taught to engage active shooters immediately and not wait for backup.

“I am devastated. Sick to my stomach. He never went in,” Israel said during that news conference Thursday.

It wasn’t until the following week that Israel confirmed a report from Coral Springs officers that Peterson might not have been the only deputy waiting outside the building. BSO is also looking into the actions of three other deputies who arrived on the scene than took up positions behind their vehicles, guns drawn.

Though some Stoneman Douglas students have defended him, critics have piled on Peterson since, including the National Rifle Association, which has pointed at his inaction to push back against proposals to tighten gun laws. On Monday, even as he urged lawmakers to ban bump stocks and strengthen background checks, President Trump added to the chorus of criticism.

“You don’t know until you’re tested, but I really believe I’d run in there even if I didn’t have a weapon,” Trump told a meeting of governors at the White House. The deputies, he said, “weren’t exactly Medal of Honor winners,” and “the way they performed was frankly disgusting.”

In the days since, Israel himself also has been blasted by critics, some of whom have called for his resignation. In addition to questions about the response to the shooting, the department has revealed that deputies also fielded multiple reports in recent years that Cruz might be a threat to schools.

DiRuzzo also ripped into Israel, saying he prematurely criticized Peterson while cautioning the public to wait for the results of a fast-moving investigation.

“Sheriff Israel’s statement is, at best, a gross oversimplification of the events that transpired,” the statement said

Hours before the press conference, BSO suspended the longtime deputy without pay, but he promptly retired. Peterson, a 32-year veteran, was named school resource officer of the year in Parkland four years ago.

While Israel had no problems speaking openly about Peterson last week, the department on Monday changed course.

“The case is an active internal affairs investigation. In accordance with Florida law, we are prohibited from discussing any details until the case has concluded,” according to a statement released by BSO.

BSO’s policy states that an officer “may” â€" not “must” â€" enter a building when an active shooter is attacking, meaning Peterson might not have violated any technical rules. Still, police tactical experts say, most active-shooter training calls for cops to identify the location of a gunman, whether inside or outside.

“If the gunfire is directed at you, it would make sense to try and seek a position of cover,” said Pete Blair, Executive Director of the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training (ALERRT) Center at Texas State University. “If it wasn’t, we encourage officers to try and find the source of the gunfire.”

Jeff Bell, the president of BSO’s police union, said Monday that he didn’t think Peterson was a coward but does think the campus cop did not do enough that day.

“I’m sorry, after 100 to 120 rounds being fired, if he still can’t figure out where the gunfire is coming from, then there are issues,” said Bell, the head of the Broward Sheriff’s Office Deputies Association, which is not representing Peterson.

In the statement, Peterson claimed he took up a position outside Building 12 after rushing over to respond to a report of firecrackers. He and security specialist Kelvin Greenleaf ran out another building on the sprawling campus and ran “a couple hundred yards” north to Building 12.

Peterson said that he was the first BSO deputy to dispatch on the radio that shots were being fired. Neither Peterson nor his lawyer said whether the officer saw any students rushing from the building, or any alarming activity through the windows of Building 12 that would suggest an active shooter inside.

He also claimed that he told a first-arriving Coral Springs officer that he “thought that the shots were coming from outside.”

“Radio transmissions indicated that there was a gunshot victim in the area of the football field, which served to confirm Mr. Peterson’s belief that the shooter, or shooters, were outside,” according to the lawyer.

Peterson also said he “had the presence of mind” to have school officials review closed-circuit TV cameras “to locate the shooter,” while later giving Coral Springs SWAT officers the keys to the building so they could enter.

BSO’s response to the shooting has become a hotly debated political issue, with some Republican lawmakers calling for the ouster of the Democrat sheriff, who was first elected in 2012. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement, at request of Gov. Rick Scott, is now reviewing if BSO and other police agencies responded correctly to what became the deadliest school shooting in state history.

The same day that Israel called out Peterson, the department also released a timeline of 23 interactions that BSO had with Cruz and his family over the past decade.

At least two of those interactions remain under investigation by BSO’s internal affairs unit, including a 2016 tip that Peterson was alerted that Cruz might pose a threat to a school. Peterson’s lawyer did not address whether Peterson properly investigated Cruz in that earlier case.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article202164039.html

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IF Deputy Peterson had no firm idea on where the shots were coming from, then the officers that would arrive later could figure that out. And while waiting for the other officers to arrive, Deputy Peterson should have gone inside the building, just in case the shots might be coming from inside the building.

YOU FUCKING COWARD ! ! ! !
If Peterson believed he did "the right thing," why did he resign?

ItsOver

Quote from: Roswells, Art on February 27, 2018, 06:21:17 PM
I forgot to mention I was listening to NPR a long time ago where a reporter went to Columbine High School for the ten year anniversary of that shooting and asked one of the students what they thought about it. Her response was something like "That was ten years ago, get over it." heh, yeah, that's some really pro active sensitive teenager. In her defense she was probably upset that her favorite mascara was being discontinued. We've all been there. Priorities people!
I hope the sensitive student wasn't delayed from updating her Facebook on what she had for breakfast.

Gd5150

Quote from: Jackstar on February 27, 2018, 05:03:19 PM
https://youtu.be/3ovhzszEz-w

Automatic weapon mass human shootings began immediately after the fucking things were invented.

Been happening since we were monkeys.


Jackstar

Quote from: Roswells, Art on February 27, 2018, 06:17:01 PM
Let me talk to your friend.

Nothing is stopping you, beyond your relentless dodging of the point.


Quote from: ItsOver on February 27, 2018, 06:22:00 PM
If Peterson believed he did "the right thing," why did he resign?

Your question calls for speculation, and if speculation is called for, I can come up with an easy half-dozen answers. Come on.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Roswells, Art on February 27, 2018, 05:46:32 PM
I don't know what you are referring to. If it is what conspiracists say about Hogg being an actor, I don't think so in that sense. He may be one in the sense that he and the other high school students protesting are oppurtunists, though.

I remember when I was in Junior High (somewhere between 7th and 9th grade). Some kid died during summer break by falling off a cliff. He didn't have many friends, he had been in a few of my classes. Just a normal kid. I'm pretty sure when most people heard he died they had to try to remember whom he was. After a few weeks of being back from summer break we we forced to go to his memorial in the cafeteria. There all the kids in the popular clique went on stage to say what a great friend he was. I remember rolling my eyes because I knew they never talked to the kid. They just wanted the spotlight. I wonder how many of the dead students are now these young protesters best friends "He was like a brother to me".

Of course you don't. I wasn't asking that question to brain dead zombies that refuse to look at the facts though. ;)

Asuka Langley

Quote from: Roswells, Art on February 27, 2018, 06:21:17 PM
I forgot to mention I was listening to NPR a long time ago where a reporter went to Columbine High School for the ten year anniversary of that massacre and asked one of the students what they thought about it. Her response was something like "That was ten years ago, get over it." heh, yeah, that's some really pro active sensitive teenager. In her defense she was probably upset that her favorite mascara was being discontinued. We've all been there. Priorities people!

Liberals never get over anything they are uptight, stick up the ass killjoys that can't meme.



GravitySucks

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 27, 2018, 04:55:45 PM
Let's see if the British had automatic weapons in the Revolutionary War, the revolutionaries would have responded in kind. Thus I don't think the Founders were setting any parameters when they passed the 2nd Amendment.  Just sayin'.

There wasn’t any television, radio or the internet when they drafted the first amendment.

albrecht

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 27, 2018, 06:42:31 PM
There wasn’t any television, radio or the internet when they drafted the first amendment.
If they saw the tripe put out by Hollywood these days and how illegals and college kids act these days they might not have drafted the First Amendment.

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 27, 2018, 06:42:31 PM
There wasn’t any television, radio or the internet when they drafted the first amendment.

Revoke CNN's broadcast license!!!  Close down the NYT and Washington Post!!  No, they would never go for that.  It is ok though if youtube bans Fox news and Alex Jones though. ::)

GravitySucks

Quote from: Roswells, Art on February 27, 2018, 04:43:45 PM
I'm anti anything that gives someone else control over me (mainly the government) but didn't semi-automatic weapon mass human shootings begin after the ban was lifted in 1994?

I didn’t research rhe exact model he used but the chances are that it was still legal under the assault weapons ban. That ban was purely political. It didn’t ban AR-15s, it banned ceratin models of semi-automatic rifles that had a scary component. Like an SKS could be sold but it could not he sold with a bayonet.


Dr. MD MD

Quote from: 21st Century Man on February 27, 2018, 06:46:56 PM
Revoke CNN's broadcast license!!!  Close down the NYT and Washington Post!!  No, they would never go for that.  It is ok though if youtube bans Fox news and Alex Jones though. ::)

Not that I'm advocating it but they should be militarily attacked as an enemy of the state trying to foment a communist coup. ;)

Roswells, Art

Quote from: GravitySucks on February 27, 2018, 06:47:02 PM
I didn’t research rhe exact model he used but the chances are that it was still legal under the assault weapons ban. That ban was purely political. It didn’t ban AR-15s, it banned ceratin models of semi-automatic rifles that had a scary component. Like an SKS could be sold but it could not he sold with a bayonet.

Interesting,  thanks.

ItsOver

Quote from: albrecht on February 27, 2018, 06:46:18 PM
If they saw the tripe put out by Hollywood these days and how illegals and college kids act these days they might not have drafted the First Amendment.
Ha!  What were they thinking?  ;)


Roswells, Art

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on February 27, 2018, 06:49:02 PM
Not that I'm advocating it but they should be militarily attacked as an enemy of the state trying to foment a communist coup. ;)



paladin1991

Quote from: Roswells, Art on February 27, 2018, 04:43:45 PM
I'm anti anything that gives someone else control over me (mainly the government) but didn't semi-automatic weapon mass human shootings begin after the ban was lifted in 1994?

Ros, I keep hearing out my co-workers who support a ban.  But when I ask questions, I'm treated like an idiot.  I keep asking them, "If firearms have been with us for over two centuries, what is it that has kids over the last 20 years reaching for firearms to kill their classmates with?  What's changed,  what is it that has fundamentally changed, the firearms or the kids?"

paladin1991

Quote from: Jackstar on February 27, 2018, 05:57:13 PM
How was the yearbook photo from 2015 generated in your dimension? Asking for a friend.

the yearbook photo was reported as being fm Redondo Shores High school.  A continuation school.  You went to one of those, didn't you?  You make up your fucked up grades and back to regular high school.

Least that's what was being reported.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: paladin1991 on February 28, 2018, 01:31:15 AM
the yearbook photo was reported as being fm Redondo Shores High school.  A continuation school.  You went to one of those, didn't you?  You make up your fucked up grades and back to regular high school.

Least that's what was being reported.

This fish stinks! I'd like to return it, please.

vipjon

Quote from: paladin1991 on February 28, 2018, 01:23:50 AM
Ros, I keep hearing out my co-workers who support a ban.  But when I ask questions, I'm treated like an idiot.  I keep asking them, "If firearms have been with us for over two centuries, what is it that has kids over the last 20 years reaching for firearms to kill their classmates with?  What's changed,  what is it that has fundamentally changed, the firearms or the kids?"

We DO NEED A BAN on crazy people who blame an inattomate object (can't spell it and not in spell check) for killing someone when its there hands that are doin it. Them not an object. Other wise lets just go ahead and ban everything thats not nailed down so the libs can get there pantys outta a bunch and return to being productive citizens! But then again is that possible...look at em!   

Dr. MD MD

Not only do I disagree with you, Hillary but everyday I hope and pray that a bunch of guns take you and your evil cadre of criminals out so that we can finally live in peace without fear of YOU!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcYEst3N1kA




Uncle Duke

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-fedex-nra-20180227-story.html


From the article:
"The NRA is supporting stuff that we don't get behind," said Jeni Britton Bauer, founder of Jeni's Splendid Ice Creams.

That's one articulate lady.




vipjon

Something strange is going on here! I hate to say this but maybe this is Alex Jones area... ok the reason i dont like him is his presentation, he makes us all look crazy by his tone alone. However like in sandyhook why are there all these questionable details? And why is it never just ONE shooting why are they happing in 3s as if to push a point. Staged perhaps. This little boy tho is very suspicious as well. But i guess they needed a mouthpiece.

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