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albrecht

"Day After Tomorrow" is currently being played on AMC. Tune in, even if you don't watch, and get Art and Whitley some royalties. Baby needs a new pair of shoes.


Gd5150

Quote from: albrecht on January 20, 2018, 06:19:29 PM
"Day After Tomorrow" is currently being played on AMC. Tune in, even if you don't watch, and get Art and Whitley some royalties. Baby needs a new pair of shoes.

Movie is 20 years old. As usual with the wacko climate change crap, not a damn thing predicted has happened.

They’ve resorted to making all shorter predictions as anything caused by the weather, and long term predictions 100 years out so they can never be verified. Climate change is dead.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Gd5150 on January 20, 2018, 11:08:45 PM
Movie is 20 years old. As usual with the wacko climate change crap, not a damn thing predicted has happened.

They’ve resorted to making all shorter predictions as anything caused by the weather, and long term predictions 100 years out so they can never be verified. Climate change is dead.

But it got cold and snowed...in the winter! Isn't that crazy?!  :D


analog kid

Quote from: Catsmile on January 20, 2018, 11:34:36 PM
You and the stalker.

How do you know I'm not the stalker?

PaulAtreides

Quote from: Gd5150 on January 20, 2018, 11:08:45 PM
Movie is 20 years old. As usual with the wacko climate change crap, not a damn thing predicted has happened.


Sort of like all those predictions your mother made about you. After 20 years, you're still living in her basement.  Total failure to launch.

Catsmile

Quote from: analog kid on January 20, 2018, 11:44:35 PM
How do you know I'm not the stalker?

TL;DR: Simply put... There would have to be a stalker, for you to be the stalker.

While possible it was more than a shadow stalker. Arts narrative doesn't ring true overall.   

You don't drop dick in the dirt, so afraid for your life you lie there for 10-20 minutes waiting for the police to arrive (terrifying your family in the process). Then once the police are on scene you report that you were shot at. Only to backtrack on your original story. Saying "It could have been a firecracker."

At that point I'm sure the police whiffed the odor of something fishy with the witness report. Huge difference between being shot at, and a firecracker going off in the distance. Art by his own words didn't really seem sure if he was shot at, or heard a firecracker.

You can look at the situation a few ways. One, he panicked when he heard a firecracker, thinking someone was shooting at him. Two, he made up a shooting story, adding in the firecracker narrative to cover his ass from felony charges. Three, maybe... just maybe, he really was shot at, by a stalker. Again, by Arts own words, he himself didn't really seem sure what happened on the night in question.

(EXTRA)
Some hindsight on the situation, from the outside looking in, goes something like this. Art quits MitD, the same night he was "shot" at, because he feared for his, and his families lives. Put yourself in Arts place using his narrative. Imagine lying on the ground fearing for your life, and your families lives for 20 minutes waiting for the police to arrive. Praying the stalker wouldn't murder you and yours, during his second shooting spree. The police don't find much evidence to help move the investigation forward, which would lead to the stalkers arrest. The unknown armed stalker still remains at large, and has trespassed several times, damaged your internet connection, then conducted two shooting sprees at your private property already...

Fast forward. Not long after Art quit the show, it snowed where he lived, a very rare occurrence. His little girl has never seen snow before. What's the logical thing to do a few weeks after your family survived two shooting sprees? Well of course, you wake your child up, everyone goes outside, at night, around the same place and time of the last two shootings. The landscape brightly lit by snow, play around in the snow, take pictures using a flash. The flash couldn't possibly attract attention a mile away. Wife and child become possible targets of your stalker. Post the pictures on Facebook. High profile, high risk actions weeks after two shooting occurred on the property. These are the actions of a terrified family, whose lives were being terrorized by an armed stalker at large?

Even if you venture into the narrative of Art and the police were trying to bait a trap for the stalker. Incorporating your wife and child into the trap as bait? Oh my!

Why does the stalker narrative shit the bed, then fall flat on it's face? Stalkers in general are obsessed with their victims, beyond the stalkers own control. Stalkers seek to be with and/or manipulate the objects of their obsession. Stalkers who escalate into the realm of gunplay as a means of terror and/or coercion, rarely de-escalate and disappear. Even when the victim capitulates to the stalkers irrational demands. Typically giving into a stalkers demands rewards their behavior, which in turn emboldens them and their demands. Violent stalkers seeking to harm or terrorize their victims are highly determined and dangerous, usually not stopping until they kill their target, or are caught by police. Which leads to the TL;DR at the top of this post.         


Robert

Quote from: Catsmile on January 21, 2018, 08:29:55 AMWhy does the stalker narrative shit the bed, then fall flat on it's face? Stalkers in general are obsessed with their victims, beyond the stalkers own control. Stalkers seek to be with and/or manipulate the objects of their obsession. Stalkers who escalate into the realm of gunplay as a means of terror and/or coercion, rarely de-escalate and disappear. Even when the victim capitulates to the stalkers irrational demands. Typically giving into a stalkers demands rewards their behavior, which in turn emboldens them and their demands. Violent stalkers seeking to harm or terrorize their victims are highly determined and dangerous, usually not stopping until they kill their target, or are caught by police.
Your analysis is unfortunately colored by your use of the term "stalker", which unfortunately has been the categoriz'n that was adopted here as a short way of referring to whomever it [is|was|was imagined to be].

Mr. Bell's own stated belief has been that this person (or cabal) is not a crazy stalker type, but someone(s) who, although ruthless, had the limited object of getting him off his show, for reasons Mr. Bell knew but did not care to divulge.

That said, after about a year thinking over the previous & subsequent events, I switched from leaning in favor of Mr. Bell's statements having been truthful to leaning in favor of his having made up part or all of them, even entertaining seriously the notion that the whole sequence had been planned as part of MITD's conception from the start, i.e. that he wanted to begin a new program & then put someone else on mic.  In that last case a rumor that his competitors felt threatened by MITD could've been useful in continuing to sell it to audiences.

Quote from: Catsmile on January 21, 2018, 08:29:55 AM
TL;DR: Simply put... There would have to be a stalker, for you to be the stalker.

While possible it was more than a shadow stalker. Arts narrative doesn't ring true overall.   

You don't drop dick in the dirt, so afraid for your life you lie there for 10-20 minutes waiting for the police to arrive (terrifying your family in the process). Then once the police are on scene you report that you were shot at. Only to backtrack on your original story. Saying "It could have been a firecracker."

At that point I'm sure the police whiffed the odor of something fishy with the witness report. Huge difference between being shot at, and a firecracker going off in the distance. Art by his own words didn't really seem sure if he was shot at, or heard a firecracker...


Wasn't Heather the one who called the police, making the introduction of a possible firecracker necessary in not filing a false police report?


ItsOver

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on January 21, 2018, 10:08:22 AM

Wasn't Heather the one who called the police, making the introduction of a possible firecracker necessary in not filing a false police report?
That's my understanding.  Possibly a big "Oh, shit!" moment he hadn't anticipated during his premeditation for this excuse for quitting.


albrecht

Quote from: ItsOver on January 21, 2018, 10:45:29 AM
That's my understanding.  Possibly a big "Oh, shit!" moment he hadn't anticipated during his premeditation for this excuse for quitting.


"No, that will be all, Mr.Bell, I will show myself out. Oh wait, just one more thing...You say the stalker came and that you have no more business with Midnight In the Desert, but why are you still doing promos for the show and why does contact info say artbell.com?"

ItsOver

Quote from: albrecht on January 21, 2018, 11:47:31 AM
"No, that will be all, Mr.Bell, I will show myself out. Oh wait, just one more thing...You say the stalker came and that you have no more business with Midnight In the Desert, but why are you still doing promos for the show and why does contact info say artbell.com?"
LOL.  Too bad "Colombo" isn't still around.  "Wanna Take a Ride to The Quittening?" could have been an amusing show. 

Oh, by the way, tonight's MeTV "Columbo" is "Rest in Peace, Mrs. Colombo."


Tinfoil_Helm

Since Art is babbling about taking legal action against people who don't like his precious Heather (eyeroll), it brings up a good point: has there ever been any talk of busting Art for defrauding his listeners/subscribers?  He said in plain English that he would be making appearances on MitD, but that was bullshit in order to keep the money flowing. 

Guy should be careful with his legalese.  I'd call it even if we could just get rid of Heather.


albrecht

Quote from: ItsOver on January 21, 2018, 12:10:16 PM
LOL.  Too bad "Colombo" isn't still around.  "Wanna Take a Ride to The Quittening?" could have been an amusing show. 

Oh, by the way, tonight's MeTV "Columbo" is "Rest in Peace, Mrs. Colombo."


Was the "Wanna take a ride to the Quickening" the episode in which frequent Art guest Sean David Morton and his wife Melissa got sent to prison after Colombo figured out their scam?

Robert

Quote from: Tinfoil_Helm on January 21, 2018, 02:25:03 PMGuy should be careful with his legalese.  I'd call it even if we could just get rid of Heather.
You mean, in the sack?

Quote from: Tinfoil_Helm on January 21, 2018, 02:25:03 PM
Since Art is babbling about taking legal action against people who don't like his precious Heather (eyeroll), it brings up a good point: has there ever been any talk of busting Art for defrauding his listeners/subscribers?  He said in plain English that he would be making appearances on MitD, but that was bullshit in order to keep the money flowing. 

Guy should be careful with his legalese.  I'd call it even if we could just get rid of Heather.

LOL! when did this happen?

Tinfoil_Helm

Quote from: anon on January 21, 2018, 02:47:06 PM
LOL! when did this happen?

Go back a couple pages and someone posted a screencap of Art's FB posts.  He swears off social media (for the 10th time) because people are bagging on Heather.  "Heather's getting better every day!" and "We used to consider BellGab folks our friends, now it's a vile cesspool..."  Shit like that. 

What Art refuses to recognize is that if just threw us a bone now and then (or if they wised up and replaced Heather with ANYONE) he would be welcomed by all is supporters with open arms.  But Art insists on sticking to his goofy story and he's just digging himself a deeper shithole.


ItsTelly

 "In that last case a rumor that his competitors felt threatened by MITD could've been useful in continuing to sell it to audiences."

"Mr. Bell's own stated belief has been that this person (or cabal) is not a crazy stalker type, but someone(s) who, although ruthless, had the limited object of getting him off his show, for reasons Mr. Bell knew but did not care to divulge."

Just a guess, under the dictum of 'follow the money': Art is/was a huge threat to Premier and C2C.  Right before Art quit, MITD was rapidly signing up some monster radio stations.  Moreover, they started at 9 PM which was really going to put the screws to C2C.  If you recall, Snory and his fat ass sidekick were canceling guests who appeared on MITD.  You don't do stuff like that unless you feel majorly threatened...

Who could doubt that head to head Art would smash Snory and C2C into a million pieces?  It wouldn't even be close...

Telly

ItsTelly

"We used to consider BellGab folks our friends, now it's a vile cesspool..."

You mean it isn't?

Telly

paladin1991

Quote from: Catsmile on January 21, 2018, 08:29:55 AM
TL;DR: Simply put... There would have to be a stalker, for you to be the stalker.

While possible it was more than a shadow stalker. Arts narrative doesn't ring true overall.   

You don't drop dick in the dirt, so afraid for your life you lie there for 10-20 minutes waiting for the police to arrive (terrifying your family in the process). Then once the police are on scene you report that you were shot at. Only to backtrack on your original story. Saying "It could have been a firecracker."

At that point I'm sure the police whiffed the odor of something fishy with the witness report. Huge difference between being shot at, and a firecracker going off in the distance. Art by his own words didn't really seem sure if he was shot at, or heard a firecracker.

You can look at the situation a few ways. One, he panicked when he heard a firecracker, thinking someone was shooting at him. Two, he made up a shooting story, adding in the firecracker narrative to cover his ass from felony charges. Three, maybe... just maybe, he really was shot at, by a stalker. Again, by Arts own words, he himself didn't really seem sure what happened on the night in question.

(EXTRA)
Some hindsight on the situation, from the outside looking in, goes something like this. Art quits MitD, the same night he was "shot" at, because he feared for his, and his families lives. Put yourself in Arts place using his narrative. Imagine lying on the ground fearing for your life, and your families lives for 20 minutes waiting for the police to arrive. Praying the stalker wouldn't murder you and yours, during his second shooting spree. The police don't find much evidence to help move the investigation forward, which would lead to the stalkers arrest. The unknown armed stalker still remains at large, and has trespassed several times, damaged your internet connection, then conducted two shooting sprees at your private property already...

Fast forward. Not long after Art quit the show, it snowed where he lived, a very rare occurrence. His little girl has never seen snow before. What's the logical thing to do a few weeks after your family survived two shooting sprees? Well of course, you wake your child up, everyone goes outside, at night, around the same place and time of the last two shootings. The landscape brightly lit by snow, play around in the snow, take pictures using a flash. The flash couldn't possibly attract attention a mile away. Wife and child become possible targets of your stalker. Post the pictures on Facebook. High profile, high risk actions weeks after two shooting occurred on the property. These are the actions of a terrified family, whose lives were being terrorized by an armed stalker at large?

Even if you venture into the narrative of Art and the police were trying to bait a trap for the stalker. Incorporating your wife and child into the trap as bait? Oh my!

Why does the stalker narrative shit the bed, then fall flat on it's face? Stalkers in general are obsessed with their victims, beyond the stalkers own control. Stalkers seek to be with and/or manipulate the objects of their obsession. Stalkers who escalate into the realm of gunplay as a means of terror and/or coercion, rarely de-escalate and disappear. Even when the victim capitulates to the stalkers irrational demands. Typically giving into a stalkers demands rewards their behavior, which in turn emboldens them and their demands. Violent stalkers seeking to harm or terrorize their victims are highly determined and dangerous, usually not stopping until they kill their target, or are caught by police. Which leads to the TL;DR at the top of this post.         



TL;DR

paladin1991

Quote from: Tinfoil_Helm on January 21, 2018, 02:25:03 PM
Since Art is babbling about taking legal action against people who don't like his precious Heather (eyeroll), it brings up a good point: has there ever been any talk of busting Art for defrauding his listeners/subscribers?  He said in plain English that he would be making appearances on MitD, but that was bullshit in order to keep the money flowing. 

Guy should be careful with his legalese.  I'd call it even if we could just get rid of Heather.

Wait.  He's still talking about legal action?

https://youtu.be/o52clsoKW8g

Asuka Langley

Quote from: Tinfoil_Helm on January 21, 2018, 02:25:03 PM


Guy should be careful with his legalese.  I'd call it even if we could just get rid of Heather.

Whats up guize, how are yew?


MAX

Quote from: PaulAtreides on January 21, 2018, 06:44:26 AM
Sort of like all those predictions your mother made about you. After 20 years, you're still living in her basement.  Total failure to launch.

Your mother is a witch and your father is dead wish the stinger got you. 🃏

albrecht

Quote from: MAX on January 21, 2018, 04:09:19 PM
Your mother is a witch and your father is dead wish the stinger got you. 🃏
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVid_fLzN5g

Tinfoil_Helm

Quote from: ItsTelly on January 21, 2018, 03:58:56 PM
"We used to consider BellGab folks our friends, now it's a vile cesspool..."

You mean it isn't?

Telly

Sure, it's a cesspool.  The Trumpers, climate-deniers, Flat-Earthers...

Point is, Art is turning on BellGab only NOW because we haven't accepted his Heather scam.  He used to revel in the Snoory bashing and post on here all the time when we were all supportive subscribers, but he burned us.


GravitySucks

Quote from: Tinfoil_Helm on January 21, 2018, 05:24:20 PM
Sure, it's a cesspool.  The Trumpers, climate-deniers, Flat-Earthers...

Point is, Art is turning on BellGab only NOW because we haven't accepted his Heather scam.  He used to revel in the Snoory bashing and post on here all the time when we were all supportive subscribers, but he burned us.

Yep. That fucker owes you.

MV/Liberace!

Quote from: Tinfoil_Helm on January 21, 2018, 05:24:20 PM
Sure, it's a cesspool.  The Trumpers, climate-deniers, Flat-Earthers...

Point is, Art is turning on BellGab only NOW because we haven't accepted his Heather scam.  He used to revel in the Snoory bashing and post on here all the time when we were all supportive subscribers, but he burned us.

Art never really understood this place beyond its usefulness as a mechanism for promotion and assistance.

Tinfoil_Helm

Quote from: mv on January 21, 2018, 05:27:20 PM
Art never really understood this place beyond its usefulness as a mechanism for promotion and assistance.

I suppose it's fine that an old ass man doesn't know how the internet works.  That makes sense.  But the bullshitting of the fans and the lousy management with Heather is just bad sense and dubious/unethical business practices.


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