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David John Oates Appearance a Stick in the Eye to Art?

Started by sillycybe, September 01, 2013, 09:27:35 AM

sillycybe

David John Oates will be appearing on Coast this Thursday. He hasn't been on the show since Art's lawsuit. Is this CTC's attempt to get inside Art's head, and mess with his game?

Yorkshire pud

Quote from: sillycybe on September 01, 2013, 09:27:35 AM
David John Oates will be appearing on Coast this Thursday. He hasn't been on the show since Art's lawsuit. Is this CTC's attempt to get inside Art's head, and mess with his game?

Ya boo!!! Much more sporting to have a site with a thread that says AB sucks!

Renaldo

I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly why. I thought Oates had pretty much been fully discredited in the last few years. Honestly, he dropped off my radar after the debacle with Art. I can see C2C being so petty that they would have him on specifically to get at Art.

However, I think they're scratching a little deeper. I have a feeling they're using Art's old SIT shows to have an an interview where Art does an old or classic guest, and then they bring that guest back on with Dave. I think that might be more of what's starting to happen.

ItsOver

Try as they might with sideshow distractions, PremRat has a lazy radio show host with no edge who just phones it in.  Art's substance will always trump any silly PremRat parlor games.

Morgus

Quote from: sillycybe on September 01, 2013, 09:27:35 AM
David John Oates will be appearing on Coast this Thursday. He hasn't been on the show since Art's lawsuit. Is this CTC's attempt to get inside Art's head, and mess with his game?
the timing is very suspicious - barely a week before the premiere of Art Bell's new radio show.
as Noory often says "there are no coincidences"  8)

also reportedly Oates last week appeared on Clyde Lewis' Ground Zero show (syndicated by Premrat now airing just before c2cam) and he supposedly played an audio clip of a reversal of Art Bell from years ago...

Quote from: sillycybe on September 01, 2013, 09:27:35 AM
David John Oates will be appearing on Coast this Thursday. He hasn't been on the show since Art's lawsuit. Is this CTC's attempt to get inside Art's head, and mess with his game?



It would sure seem so.  Why else would they do it now. 


I'm not sure what the point is though, other than a screw you, maybe George was taken aback when Art said he was a nice guy, and is trying to show otherwise.

lonevoice

Quote from: Morgus on September 01, 2013, 01:52:37 PM
the timing is very suspicious - barely a week before the premiere of Art Bell's new radio show.
as Noory often says "there are no coincidences"  8)

also reportedly Oates last week appeared on Clyde Lewis' Ground Zero show (syndicated by Premrat now airing just before c2cam) and he supposedly played an audio clip of a reversal of Art Bell from years ago...
Wouldn't surprise me if Clyde Lewis had a questionable motive for it too.  I take it that Clyde is no fan of Art Bell, and has written some pretty unflattering things about him in the past.  Apparently Clyde is disturbed by the fact or possibility that Art may let some stories get traction, like the alien in the freezer or Mel's hole, even if Art knows they're not true.  I think Clyde fancies himself as some sort of scientific purist. 

Old link from Ground Zero website re Jonathan Reed involving Art.

http://www.groundzeromedia.org/archives/invest/counterfeit/counterfeit.html

Morgus

Also Art Bell's new Sirius radio show will be airing live in the same exact timeslot as Clyde Lewis' Ground Zero too.
c2cam airs live after that, so Art's new show is directly competing more with Ground Zero than c2cam...

I would not be surprised if the C2C crew was trying very hard to dig up Mel to discuss his hole...

Wait, that sounded better in my mind!

SR-71

Here is what I think. The current management of c2cam is mad that art bell is coming back on a different network and not back to c2cam. C2Cam has lose that magic when art left and george noory took over at the helm. what i like about art and many of the topics is it many are the type that were good stories that were "camp fire stories". were the stories true?  maybe. were they fun? yes. Art Bell is a bard.  George is no Art. Are there many good story tellers out there? yes. With David John Oates coming back on coast, I thinks Coast management is taking a BIG SHIT in their pants.

Juan

Management at Cheap Channel west coast headquarters is probably like management at most of the TV stations where I worked - unimaginative, quick to copy, slow to innovate.  I would suspect that CC management thinks Art will simply bring back all of his old guests and are trying to get the jump on him.  What they don't realize is that there is talent in interviewing and producing the show.  Their current team lacks that.

teelynn

Quote from: lonevoice on September 01, 2013, 02:02:57 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Clyde Lewis had a questionable motive for it too.  I take it that Clyde is no fan of Art Bell, and has written some pretty unflattering things about him in the past.  Apparently Clyde is disturbed by the fact or possibility that Art may let some stories get traction, like the alien in the freezer or Mel's hole, even if Art knows they're not true.  I think Clyde fancies himself as some sort of scientific purist. 

Old link from Ground Zero website re Jonathan Reed involving Art.

http://www.groundzeromedia.org/archives/invest/counterfeit/counterfeit.html

Long time lurker finally delurking to comment. I've been a Clyde Lewis listener for about 12 years now. David John Oates and Clyde are friends in real life, and David has been frequently interviewed by Clyde over the years, even when Clyde was doing his show on his own (sans radio job).

Quote from: lonevoice on September 01, 2013, 02:02:57 PM
Apparently Clyde is disturbed by the fact or possibility that Art may let some stories get traction, like the alien in the freezer or Mel's hole, even if Art knows they're not true.  I think Clyde fancies himself as some sort of scientific purist. 

Old link from Ground Zero website re Jonathan Reed involving Art.

http://www.groundzeromedia.org/archives/invest/counterfeit/counterfeit.html

Interesting article!
some quotes:
"Watch for announcements of Dr. Jonathan Reed on the radio talk show circuit. He'll soon be raking it in, hawking his book and videotape. Caveat Lector! But I guess some people just enjoy being taken in and clubbed to death with obvious hoaxes!"

"By default Bell holds a virtual intellectual monopoly on the paranormal and ultra weird. Now, we are seeing that Bell wants to devalue the position of the paranormal investigator by bringing on whackos that obviously are out to fool the public"

"A hoax is based primarily in harmless trickery. A fraud however is when money is made off of a hoax. I guess in a sense that if Bell is intentionally misleading the audience for profit he is a fraud. This devalues the subject matter if this is the case."

fast forward to a month ago where he gets pissy with a caller for criticising Sylvia Browne (you know the one with so little credibility that Curious Dave won't have her on c2c again) I guess it's not a fraud or hoax as long as your cheque clears


lonevoice

Quote from: Chocolate coated jackboot on September 03, 2013, 11:13:26 AM
fast forward to a month ago where he gets pissy with a caller for criticising Sylvia Browne (you know the one with so little credibility that Curious Dave won't have her on c2c again) I guess it's not a fraud or hoax as long as your cheque clears
Wow.  Hahaha.  At least if Art knew a guest was spinning a yarn (like Mel Waters), he played along with a wink and a nod purely for the entertainment value to his audience.  Apparently Clyde only plays along when it's a sponsor. 

sillycybe

I guess it was a stick in the eye to Art. This is what he posted a while ago on FaceBook:

I no longer harbor a grudge against Oates, it's not healthy. Premiere however is a another matter, I have nothing less than a institutional hate for what they did to me. I had almost decided not to tell that story but after what George did on Thursday (I have word from a inside source that indeed it was George over the advice/objections of his Producer) it just may be time for a clear slate. Stay tuned

WildCard

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coast_to_Coast_AM
"Bell banned him after Oates ran an example he had specifically been asked not to."

Anybody know specifically what "example" that was?

Edit-Answered my on question. According to the interview posted http://coastgab.com/index.php?topic=30.14190 about 55 minutes in, Art asked Oates to reverse Ed Dames, but to not use "metaphors".

henge0stone

Oates is the the biggest A hole. Art made him famous and then he turned around and just bashed Art for no reason. His dumbass show was in the first achieves and it was just a carbon copy of Art's shows even stealing Loreena Mckennitts music. He mentioned his feud with art in reversals but didn't say why he was being a little dick hole to him. I deleted that shit cause it was so bad. Biggest failure ever.

Daggit

Anyone who thinks George and Premiere are good guys only need to look at the booking of David John Oates just prior to Art returning.

Quote from: WildCard on September 07, 2013, 09:32:32 PM
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coast_to_Coast_AM
"Bell banned him after Oates ran an example he had specifically been asked not to."

Anybody know specifically what "example" that was?

Edit-Answered my on question. According to the interview posted http://coastgab.com/index.php?topic=30.14190 about 55 minutes in, Art asked Oates to reverse Ed Dames, but to not use "metaphors".

Reversal of ED Dames Art had asked him not to play.

pyewacket

I missed this whole mess. I'm glad I did- awful time for Art. I don't know much about Oates. Something about him playing a recording of Art backwards and it was allegedly bad? From what I've read on Wikipedia, the method doesn't appear to have support from the scientific community. 
Does he still appear on the show?

albrecht

Quote from: pyewacket on February 04, 2015, 01:14:42 AM
I missed this whole mess. I'm glad I did- awful time for Art. I don't know much about Oates. Something about him playing a recording of Art backwards and it was allegedly bad? From what I've read on Wikipedia, the method doesn't appear to have support from the scientific community. 
Does he still appear on the show?
There are still several websites detailing their version of events. It is actually, sort of, funny how the UFO, conspiracy, etc crowd and hosts can get into such feuds, lawsuits, personal recriminations, and sects. But some of the stuff said about Art with regard to child abuse etc is beyond the pale of the usual conspiracy crowd's feuds. It is also amazing how badly designed many of these websites are (does the UFO, conspiracy, etc crowd still use GeoCities to make their websites?)
http://davidoates.tripod.com/index12.html
http://rense.com/general10/latenight.htm
http://www.konformist.com/1999/artbella.htm

pyewacket

Quote from: albrecht on February 04, 2015, 10:31:42 AM
There are still several websites detailing their version of events. It is actually, sort of, funny how the UFO, conspiracy, etc crowd and hosts can get into such feuds, lawsuits, personal recriminations, and sects. But some of the stuff said about Art with regard to child abuse etc is beyond the pale of the usual conspiracy crowd's feuds. It is also amazing how badly designed many of these websites are (does the UFO, conspiracy, etc crowd still use GeoCities to make their websites?)
http://davidoates.tripod.com/index12.html
http://rense.com/general10/latenight.htm
http://www.konformist.com/1999/artbella.htm

Thank you for the links, albrecht! There certainly is a lot of passion for their beliefs in this crowd. Makes me appreciate how difficult it was for Art to navigate through those turbulent waters.

It seems like some of that crowd resent being challenged on the material they present. I'm only interested in a show that will challenge their guests. I'm not advocating mean spirited abuse. This is why I won't listen to George- he rarely challenges his guests.

It's no surprise that any of these fields of interest will attract phonies who want to cash in on the latests hot topic. If you are presenting controversial material you've got to expect to defend it against sceptics.

I totally agree- when they take it to the point of personal attacks and trying to destroy someone's life- that is beyond the pale. I really hope that it doesn't surface again this summer.


henge0stone

Quote from: albrecht on February 04, 2015, 10:31:42 AM
There are still several websites detailing their version of events. It is actually, sort of, funny how the UFO, conspiracy, etc crowd and hosts can get into such feuds, lawsuits, personal recriminations, and sects. But some of the stuff said about Art with regard to child abuse etc is beyond the pale of the usual conspiracy crowd's feuds. It is also amazing how badly designed many of these websites are (does the UFO, conspiracy, etc crowd still use GeoCities to make their websites?)
http://davidoates.tripod.com/index12.html
http://rense.com/general10/latenight.htm
http://www.konformist.com/1999/artbella.htm

God I can't remember the show it was but I heard Art talking about it. He said that David was doing reversals on Dames and Art had asked him not to draw metaphors from the reversals. Oates kept doing it after Art (during the breaks) asked him not to. After that show (never heard the show just art talking about it) Oates started bashing Art saying he was hiding the truth about Dames when all art asked for was non metaphor reversals. That's Art's side as he explained it. We don't know Oates side because the one Oates show he mentioned it but didn't explain why he was saying terrible things about Art (and this was before the child abuse stuff!).

Art just ignored it for a while but I think once the child abuse crap thrown in Art started to pursue legal action. And he had every right to do so. Oates is such slimball  the only reason why anyone knows who he is is because of Art and this is how he repaid him. C2C are slimballs too. Art created the show and Noory (or whomever books guests) must have known about the bad blood between them but they didn't care. I'm sorry no matter how removed you are from the creator of your show you can't invite on people who slandered him in the way Oates did. Unforgivable Noory.  >:(

Oates is on Ground Zero tonight doing reversals of Ted Cruz and Hillary.

Quote from: HedgehogNorman on April 22, 2015, 10:27:56 PM
Oates is on Ground Zero tonight doing reversals of Ted Cruz and Hillary.

I think he is on Ground Zero monthly. I am an not exactly sure of that, but I do know he is on frequently.

the reversal of Hillary admitting she eats marijuana was pretty funny

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