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albrecht

Quote from: Gd5150 on June 18, 2018, 09:50:29 AM
Were  all a pillar of the final months of the 2008 Obama campaign and the first several years of his presidency. He liked them so much he doubled down. They thought stimulus would create an economic boom. It failed. And contributed to the 8 year of 1% growth so-called recovery.

Fannie Mae Freddie Mac’s failure was directly attributable to demokkkrat socialist Barney Frank who was chairman of the house weighs and means committee. Socialist mortgage policies were the reason for the collapse. No income, no assett, no credit, no job, mortgages hailed by the socialist demokkkrat party as “fair”.
http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2008/09/28/franks_fingerprints_are_all_over_the_financial_fiasco/
Barney has to be happy that the internet wasn't really around when his "roommate" was running the bisexual prostitution service from his tax-payer funded apartment, voters in Mass didn't mind, because Frank "wasn't aware," but still "fixed" tickets for his "roommate," and paid for various things.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/tours/scandal/gobie2.htm

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: starramus on June 18, 2018, 05:35:59 AM
Those are facts jack, and no excuse explains them away. The whole world is watching, and it is voicing its moral outrage. Why did amerikkka fight the Nazis? They are involved in the same antics the Nazis would be if they had been victorious. amerikkkans the Nazis of the 21st century!

Who really is living in the bubble of amerikkkan exceptionalism? Go fuck your blind patriotic self!

Resorts to Nazi comparisons. You lose! ;D

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 18, 2018, 09:05:52 AM
You decry the inevitable excesses of partly restrained capitalism (free will) while embracing the excesses of the fascist proto-state?

Why?

Who ARE you?

Why the FUCK would you "love" Obama and simultaneously decry the "bailouts" the state under Bush and Paulson handed that SOB Trojan horse to mete out upon us all?

Are you a common or garden variety TRAITOR to the common man? >:(

It's a valid point. Those who are opposed to welfare at the bottom should also be opposed to it at the top. Otherwise, it really is just every man for himself and then why should anyone follow the rule of law?!

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Lord Grantham on June 18, 2018, 09:17:49 AM
His dumb opinions are as valid as your dumb opinions.

There's that leftist moral relativism again! ::) ;D

Metron2267

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 18, 2018, 10:38:38 AM
Resorts to Nazi comparisons. You lose! ;D

A quick Godwin's law is always welcome here! ;D

Metron2267

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 18, 2018, 10:42:34 AM
It's a valid point. Those who are opposed to welfare at the bottom should also be opposed to it at the top. Otherwise, it really is just every man for himself and then why should anyone follow the rule of law?!

"14" likely is, as Jackstar denoted, a shill for the deep state.

And the rule of law is those with the $$ make the laws.

The rest is smoke and mirrors for the sheople. :(

Gd5150

Lost count of how many times PB and others have asked the gabs idiot demokkkrat lemmings for an example of when socialist economic policy worked. Of course one has never been given. Because it doesn’t exist.

Hundreds of examples exist of when its failed.

The closest example we have of capitalism is the United States. It’s far from pure capatilsm, with millions of pages of regulations and taxes. Despite that, the United States once again leads the world economically with 2nd quarter growth surpassing 4%. That’s 400% of mr “1% is the new norm” Obama could do.

Metron2267

Quote from: Gd5150 on June 18, 2018, 10:55:26 AM
Lost count of how many times PB and others have asked the gabs idiot demokkkrat lemmings for an example of when socialist economic policy worked. Of course one has never been given. Because it doesn’t exist.

Hundreds of examples exist of when its failed.

The closest example we have of capitalism is the United States. It’s far from pure capatilsm, with millions of pages of regulations and taxes. Despite that, the United States once again leads the world economically with 2nd quarter growth surpassing 4%. That’s 400% of mr “1% is the new norm” Obama could do.

Hard to imagine how that could happen, isn't it?

I mean we all know the entire domestic auto industry would have been lost without the bailouts...

The bailouts that FORD managed not to participate in...

Huh...

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 18, 2018, 10:53:45 AM
"14" likely is, as Jackstar denoted, a shill for the deep state.

And the rule of law is those with the $$ make the laws.

The rest is smoke and mirrors for the sheople. :(

If that's the rule of law we might as well have just remained British citizens then.

Metron2267

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 18, 2018, 11:03:29 AM
If that's the rule of law we might as well have just remained British citizens then.

I know, I know.. :(

We had fair warning though:

Outside Independence Hall when
the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended,
Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin,
"Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded,
"A republic, if you can keep it."


https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/7631-a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it

This exchange was recorded by Constitution signer James McHenry in a diary entry that was later reproduced in the 1906 American Historical Review. Yet in more recent years, Franklin has occassionally been misquoted as having said, "A democracy, if you can keep it." The NRA's Charleton Heston quoted Franklin this way, for example, in a CBS 60 Minutes interview with Mike Wallace that was aired on December 20, 1998.

This misquote is a serious one, since the difference between a democracy and a republic is not merely a question of semantics but is fundamental. The word "republic" comes from the Latin res publica â€" which means simply "the public thing(s)," or more simply "the law(s)." "Democracy," on the other hand, is derived from the Greek words demos and kratein, which translates to "the people to rule." Democracy, therefore, has always been synonymous with majority rule.

The Founding Fathers supported the view that (in the words of the Declaration of Independence) "Men ... are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." They recognized that such rights should not be violated by an unrestrained majority any more than they should be violated by an unrestrained king or monarch. In fact, they recognized that majority rule would quickly degenerate into mobocracy and then into tyranny. They had studied the history of both the Greek democracies and the Roman republic. They had a clear understanding of the relative freedom and stability that had characterized the latter, and of the strife and turmoil â€" quickly followed by despotism â€" that had characterized the former. In drafting the Constitution, they created a government of law and not of men, a republic and not a democracy.

Metron2267

That could never happen here...right????

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/trump-warns-u-s-could-follow-path-of-germany-on-immigration

The GOP president claimed anew that the opposition party is withholding the votes needed to pass a sweeping immigration overhaul measure that would address a list of unresolved matters.

Trump criticized Democrats for refusing to “give us the votes to fix the world’s worst immigration laws” as one of his deputy press secretaries, Hogan Gidley, was on the White House’s North Lawn calling on Democratic members to meet with Trump to come up with a broad immigration bill.

Why don’t the Democrats give us the votes to fix the world’s worst immigration laws? Where is the outcry for the killings and crime being caused by gangs and thugs, including MS-13, coming into our country illegally?

â€" Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 18, 2018
“Ask the Democrats this question: We can’t deport them, we can’t separate them, we can’t detain them, we can’t prosecute them. What they want is a radical open-border policy that lets everyone out into the interior of this country with virtually no documentation whatsoever,” Gidley said. “They could come to the table and fix this immediately. They’ve chosen not to do that.”

The president also tweeted that children “are being used by some of the worst criminals on earth as a means to enter our country,” and said crime in Central and South American countries is at historically high levels. “Not going to happen in the U.S,” he added.

Children are being used by some of the worst criminals on earth as a means to enter our country. Has anyone been looking at the Crime taking place south of the border. It is historic, with some countries the most dangerous places in the world. Not going to happen in the U.S.

â€" Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 18, 2018

Trump on Monday also implied such policies are necessary, and all indications are Republicans and Democrats intend to make immigration a part of their midterm campaign messages.

The president used tweets to claim that flaws in U.S. law could trigger problems resembling those in Europe.

“We don’t want what is happening with immigration in Europe to happen with us!” the president wrote in one tweet.

We don’t want what is happening with immigration in Europe to happen with us!

â€" Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 18, 2018
The U.S. president appeared to stoke political tensions in Germany, saying German citizens are “turning against their leadership as migration is rocking the already tenuous Berlin coalition,” also saying there was a “Big mistake made all over Europe in allowing millions of people in who have so strongly and violently changed their culture!”

Angela Merkel’s German government faces an uncertain fate. She has been criticized for her policy of allowing in refugees.

Dr. MD MD

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 18, 2018, 11:12:16 AM
I know, I know.. :(

We had fair warning though:

Outside Independence Hall when
the Constitutional Convention of 1787 ended,
Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin,
"Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?"
With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded,
"A republic, if you can keep it."


https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/7631-a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it

This exchange was recorded by Constitution signer James McHenry in a diary entry that was later reproduced in the 1906 American Historical Review. Yet in more recent years, Franklin has occassionally been misquoted as having said, "A democracy, if you can keep it." The NRA's Charleton Heston quoted Franklin this way, for example, in a CBS 60 Minutes interview with Mike Wallace that was aired on December 20, 1998.

This misquote is a serious one, since the difference between a democracy and a republic is not merely a question of semantics but is fundamental. The word "republic" comes from the Latin res publica â€" which means simply "the public thing(s)," or more simply "the law(s)." "Democracy," on the other hand, is derived from the Greek words demos and kratein, which translates to "the people to rule." Democracy, therefore, has always been synonymous with majority rule.

The Founding Fathers supported the view that (in the words of the Declaration of Independence) "Men ... are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." They recognized that such rights should not be violated by an unrestrained majority any more than they should be violated by an unrestrained king or monarch. In fact, they recognized that majority rule would quickly degenerate into mobocracy and then into tyranny. They had studied the history of both the Greek democracies and the Roman republic. They had a clear understanding of the relative freedom and stability that had characterized the latter, and of the strife and turmoil â€" quickly followed by despotism â€" that had characterized the former. In drafting the Constitution, they created a government of law and not of men, a republic and not a democracy.

Hmm...I somehow doubt Ben Franklin would be down with how today's CEO rolls. A penny save being a penny earned and all that. :D

Metron2267

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 18, 2018, 11:19:04 AM
Hmm...I somehow doubt Ben Franklin would be down with how today's CEO rolls. A penny save being a penny earned and all that. :D

You are so very right on that!

And interestingly enough, there were no similar CEOs back then to speak of as the classic "corporation" would not be formed in America until many years later:

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/041515/what-history-corporations-america.asp

Small banking corporations existed in the first years after the American Revolution. However, most historians note that the first important industrial corporation was the Boston Manufacturing Co. in 1813. Its business model was imported from Great Britain, where textile corporations helped spark the first Industrial Revolution some four decades earlier.

Corporations could raise capital from diverse sources, providing an important mechanism for savers and producers alike. Voting rights were much less protected in the early years through processes of "graduating" certain shareholders, but corporations still embodied a new type of investment.

The Gilded Age

The Gilded Age was the name given by Mark Twain to the decades after the Civil War. This period was dominated by political scandal, the development of America's first giant corporations, the railroads and the economization of oil and electricity.

Corporations took off in the United States, in part, because they were so easy to organize and start. Most states allowed free incorporation and required only a simple registration.

Some rich corporations soon became rent-seekers, reinforcing Henry Clay's idea of state-assisted industrialization. Historian Charles A. Beard wrote that government gifts tended to go to the largest investments. Ironically, the two biggest names in American corporate history, John Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie, were noteworthy for fighting against government favors and subsidized competitors.

albrecht

Quote from: Gd5150 on June 18, 2018, 10:55:26 AM
Lost count of how many times PB and others have asked the gabs idiot demokkkrat lemmings for an example of when socialist economic policy worked. Of course one has never been given. Because it doesn’t exist.

Hundreds of examples exist of when its failed.

The closest example we have of capitalism is the United States. It’s far from pure capatilsm, with millions of pages of regulations and taxes. Despite that, the United States once again leads the world economically with 2nd quarter growth surpassing 4%. That’s 400% of mr “1% is the new norm” Obama could do.
Socialism, not that any political theory is 'pure' in actual process (and when tried is usually worst outcome,) can work but in areas with borders and homogeneous populations, and shared values and culture- and even there usually only if a there is a cash cow. The hated by leftists "family-unit" is somewhat socialist in policies during certain times (though one could also consider it more of a capitalist enterprise in which investment yields future profits and maybe why the Left try to tear the traditional family apart?)  Certain church populations or communities are somewhat. Some countries can be 'socialist' with success (Netherlands, Norway, yet) but, again, works because shared language, values, religion, and culture and, often, some natural resources or niche (reserves, trade, etc.) One notes when immigration floods, international groups are joined, etc the beneficial parts of the 'socialism' gets curtailed at bit...

The US is far from pure capitalism, crony capitalism? Maybe a closer definition?

www.federalregister.gov
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi?ACTION=BROWSE&title=26usc
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26


Metron2267

Excellent analysis - one need only look to the corrosive effects of Muzzie non-homogeneity in Sweden to see how quickly "benevolent" socialism fails under the duress of a very foreign cultural infection:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/24/sweden-asylum-seekers-refugees-policy-reversal

Sweden slams shut its open-door policy towards refugees
‘We simply can’t do any more,’ prime minister says in announcing Sweden’s asylum regime will revert to EU minimum

Sweden needs “respite” from the tens of thousands of refugees knocking at its door, the government has said, announcing tough measures to deter asylum seekers in a sharp reversal of its open-door policy towards people fleeing war and persecution.

The country’s generous asylum regime would revert to the “EU minimum”, Sweden’s prime minister, Stefan Löfven, said on Tuesday, revealing that most refugees would receive only temporary residence permits from April.

Identity checks would be imposed on all modes of transport, and the right to bring families to Sweden would be severely restricted, he said.

“We are adapting Swedish legislation temporarily so that more people choose to seek asylum in other countries ... We need respite,” Löfven said, criticising the EU for failing to agree to spread refugees more evenly around the bloc.

“It pains me that Sweden is no longer capable of receiving asylum seekers at the high level we do today. We simply cannot do any more.”

albrecht

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 18, 2018, 11:26:23 AM
You are so very right on that!

And interestingly enough, there were no similar CEOs back then to speak of as the classic "corporation" would not be formed in America until many years later:

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/041515/what-history-corporations-america.asp

Small banking corporations existed in the first years after the American Revolution. However, most historians note that the first important industrial corporation was the Boston Manufacturing Co. in 1813. Its business model was imported from Great Britain, where textile corporations helped spark the first Industrial Revolution some four decades earlier.

Corporations could raise capital from diverse sources, providing an important mechanism for savers and producers alike. Voting rights were much less protected in the early years through processes of "graduating" certain shareholders, but corporations still embodied a new type of investment.

The Gilded Age

The Gilded Age was the name given by Mark Twain to the decades after the Civil War. This period was dominated by political scandal, the development of America's first giant corporations, the railroads and the economization of oil and electricity.

Corporations took off in the United States, in part, because they were so easy to organize and start. Most states allowed free incorporation and required only a simple registration.

Some rich corporations soon became rent-seekers, reinforcing Henry Clay's idea of state-assisted industrialization. Historian Charles A. Beard wrote that government gifts tended to go to the largest investments. Ironically, the two biggest names in American corporate history, John Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie, were noteworthy for fighting against government favors and subsidized competitors.
Just some quick thoughts, sorry for the wiki references but easy to get quick....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Subcommittee_on_Internal_Security

https://archive.org/details/reportofsenatefa00calirich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Pacific_Relations


Metron2267

Quote from: albrecht on June 18, 2018, 11:33:28 AM
Just some quick thoughts, sorry for the wiki references but easy to get quick....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Subcommittee_on_Internal_Security

https://archive.org/details/reportofsenatefa00calirich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Pacific_Relations


In 1952, the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee (SISS), chaired by Senator Pat McCarran, spent over a year reviewing some 20,000 documents from the files of IPR and questioning IPR personnel. The committee found it suspicious that Marxists had published articles in the IPR journal and that Communists had attended an IPR conference in 1942. In its final report the SISS stated:

The IPR itself was like a specialized political flypaper in its attractive power for Communists ...The IPR has been considered by the American Communist Party and by Soviet officials as an instrument of Communist policy, propaganda and military intelligence. The IPR disseminated and sought to popularize false information including information originating from Soviet and Communist sources.... The IPR was a vehicle used by the Communists to orient American far eastern policies toward Communist objectives.

Kidnostad3

I’m posting this pic I took in Havana last week for the benefit of Star Anus since he’s so enamored with dead Marxist tyrants.  Note that Fidel’s effigy on the building might appear at first glance to include what looks like a halo.  This struck me as strange given the disdain communists have always shown for anything religious or spiritual.  Could it be that the Government is a promoting a “come to Fidel” movement?   After looking at it a while it dawned on me that instead of the military fatigue hat he famously wore, they’re  trying to portray him as a man of the people wearing un sombrero de campaseno on the back of his head.  This of course is also a gross misrepresentation.




Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 18, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
You're an inhumane crock of shit if you support this policy. And for that pile of putrid excrement to say it's the fault of the Democrat when it was his and his pet Mr Magoo policy is beyond gaslighting. It's pathological inability to stand by his own actions. The mark of a true coward. I sincerely hope with all my heart that he and Sessions die in the most painful way imaginable. But not before they're kept alive until the end so they can enjoy the full effect.

I see.  So you would send children to prison with their parents, and would send children into adult holding facilities for illegal immigrants.  Are you also willing to accept the consequences when the other, um, adult detainees molest and otherwise abuse the kids?

And yes, this is Obama's fault for sending the invitation out to everyone in Latin America to come here - and bring their kids.  Asswipe even encouraged them to send their minor children unaccompanied.  And you said nothing.  I wonder how many died horribly on the way.  Now Asswipe is not to blame for any of it?  Really?  Since you weren't virtue signaling your phony ''outrage'' during Obama's term when the same policy was in effect, you'll have to excuse me if I don't take it seriously now.


Also, I assume you're fine with similar UK policy, since you aren't winging about that either.  Somehow though, you must have skipped this post.  I can't quite figure out why you didn't explain, or even address your own country's policy, but went right back to virtue signaling and blathering on about Trump:

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 17, 2018, 06:46:39 PM
Wait.  What's this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/strict-immigration-rules-drive-families-apart-by-separating-british-children-from-their-parents-10492226.html 

If you are this disturbed by governments trying to defend their borders, shouldn't you start by rallying against the policies of your own country?  I realize you don't really give a shit, and it's just something else to attack Trump over, but you might try not being quite so obvious.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/strict-immigration-rules-drive-families-apart-by-separating-british-children-from-their-parents-10492226.html 



Metron2267

Children are being used by some of the worst criminals on earth as a means to enter our country. Has anyone been looking at the Crime taking place south of the border. It is historic, with some countries the most dangerous places in the world. Not going to happen in the U.S.

â€" Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 18, 2018

Only a Demotard would use children as a stalking horse for the criminal ongoing illegal invasion of America.

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 18, 2018, 12:22:51 PM
... Only a Demotard would use children as a stalking horse for the criminal ongoing illegal invasion of America.

And Pud is right there to claim it's something it isn't, and attack Trump.  As usual.  Which means we'll likely soon get a post instructing us on the evils of Trump lying.

That he ignored the post about the UK immigration system separating kids, and went right back to Trump bashing speaks for itself

Quote from: Metron2267 on June 17, 2018, 06:08:28 PM
... Not much funnier than his outrage that a California state railroad museum didn't bother to venerate limey rail history...

There is at least one thread regarding flight. 

I've never looked at it, but would I be correct in assuming Pud posts there and has never mentioned the Wright brothers?

Metron2267

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 18, 2018, 12:31:25 PM
And Pud is right there to claim it's something it isn't, and attack Trump.  As usual.  Which means we'll likely soon get a post instructing us on the evils of Trump lying.

That he ignored the post about the UK immigration system separating kids, and went right back to Trump bashing speaks for itself

Yep.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/17/wanna-stop-parent-child-separation-build-the-wall/

All the blame lies with the evil storm troopers in the Border Patrol who think they have some kind of right to just stop illegal immigrants from illegally crossing the border to be in the United States illegally. Such jackbooted, racist thugs.
Also to blame are politicians who want to do something to stop the flow of illegal aliens storming into the country. Illegally.
That would not, of course, be most politicians in Washington. No, those politicians are far more interested in appearing to be compassionate â€" all the while they encourage and celebrate human trafficking, slavery and rape.
So, instead for fixing the damned border, they would rather reward a bunch of young illegals aliens illegally in the United States, provided they have been here a certain amount of time and arrived here young enough.
You know, really celebrate child slavery by encouraging more of it.
Please, in all seriousness, name for me one single raped child slave on the border today who will be helped by granting citizenship or whatever to a bunch of so-called “DREAMers”?
The answer is not a single one. Because the only thing that happens if you reward these illegal aliens in the country illegally â€" before securing the border â€" is to invite even more young children to be kidnapped into child slavery and worse, and then dragged across the border to be put into wire cages.
There is one thing that will put a halt to all of it immediately. That would be build the wall!
You do that, and the human trafficking industry evaporates immediately. No more hopeless children at the border. No more slavery and rapes along the border. No more Death Trains and rape trees. No more drugs and gang members filtering through a porous border.
That is the campaign President Trump ran on. And voters loved and voted him into office.
It was the only sensible answer before the election. It is the only sensible answer today.
Build the wall!

Metron2267

Quote from: PB the Deplorable on June 18, 2018, 12:35:21 PM
There is at least one thread regarding flight. 

I've never looked at it, but would I be correct in assuming Pud posts there and has never mentioned the Wright brothers?

Well I havent perused it yet either, but I daresay you must be right!

Jackstar

Quote from: Jackstar on June 17, 2018, 10:52:40 PM
Okay newbie, you're up:

Who killed Kennedy?


Quote from: starramus on June 18, 2018, 05:35:59 AM
Why did amerikkka fight the Nazis?




Ya gotta admit: the newbie's got some spunk.

Metron2267

Quote from: Jackstar on June 18, 2018, 01:09:20 PM
Ya gotta admit: the newbie's got some spunk.

Yes, dripping off its pathetically undershot chin...

;)

Jackstar

Quote from: Yorkshire pud on June 18, 2018, 09:30:19 AM
I sincerely hope with all my heart that he and Sessions die in the most painful way imaginable. But not before they're kept alive until the end so they can enjoy the full effect.



HAVE THEM FED TO THE LIZARD QUEEN

Gd5150

Shock and appalled. More reason to build a wall.

The last thing we need in the US is this kind of intolerance.

http://www.espn.com/soccer/mexico/story/3532055/fifa-opens-anti-gay-case-after-alleged-mexican-chants

Dr. MD MD

Anyone else watching the hearings?

Quote from: Dr. MD MD on June 18, 2018, 02:31:45 PM
Anyone else watching the hearings?

No, but I await your comprehensive report.

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